[Groff] refer question

2005-05-04 Thread joerg van den hoff
hi all, is there a way to reset refer settings somewhere 'downstream' if the 'upstream' defaults are no good? specifically: in my document I source a certain defaults file in which, upon different other settings, one finds: ... .R1 database the_standard_database .R2 ... now, I want to set in th

Re: [Groff] refer question

2005-05-06 Thread joerg van den hoff
Peter Schaffter wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2005, joerg van den hoff wrote: hi all, is there a way to reset refer settings somewhere 'downstream' if the 'upstream' defaults are no good? specifically: in my document I source a certain defaults file in which, upon different other

Re: [Groff] refer "label" question

2005-05-09 Thread joerg van den hoff
hi all, I'm trying to come to terms with the fine-tuning of 'refer' output. the problem is as follows: I have attached a text file "tt" and a 2-entry refer database "tt.db". the aim is to get labels in the text consisting of the first three authors plus "et al". I don't understand how to achieve

Re: [Groff] Using pic/groff/gs to produce gif/jpeg

2005-05-11 Thread joerg van den hoff
David Griffiths wrote: Hi, I'm new to pic/groff and I've been having some problems producing either gif or jpeg images using them. The basic problem seems to be that pic/groff/postscript all have the concept of a page that they are drawing on whereas I want the resulting image to have all the wh

Re: [Groff] groff for Mac OSX

2005-06-07 Thread joerg van den hoff
Miklos Somogyi wrote: Is there a Mac OSX (Panther-Tiger) compiled version of groff available? Does anyone have a commented version of the "me" macros? Thank you very much, Miklos ___ Groff mailing list Groff@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/li

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-22 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
(Ted Harding) wrote: On 22-Oct-05 Werner LEMBERG wrote: . Documentation of GNU projects should be in texinfo format. Err, there are lots of so-called GNU projects that aren't documented in texinfo. This is true but very unfortunate IMHO. It isn't very difficult to write a texinfo file, an

Re: [Groff] Automated Reference Numbering with Refer & MM

2006-01-10 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Damian McGuckin wrote: I have never used refer to its fullest capabilities. Luckily I have only ever had only tens of references in my papers, I have just numbered them manually and used a '.RL' to print them. I need to do this properly now because I have to worry about 100+ references in th

[Groff] incorrect position of 'caron' glyph??

2006-03-07 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi everybody, I noted the following. when defining .ds Macasek "Mac\['a]\o'\[ah]s'ek .ds macasek "Mac\['a]\[vs]ek .DS \*[Macasek] \*[macasek] .DE one gets an optically pleasing 'scaron' (\[vs] (second line), but a seemingly slightly off-center (to the left) 'caron' (\[ah]) if you overstrike

Re: [Groff] incorrect position of 'caron' glyph??

2006-03-08 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
(Ted Harding) wrote: On 07-Mar-06 Joerg van den Hoff wrote: hi everybody, I noted the following. when defining .ds Macasek "Mac\['a]\o'\[ah]s'ek .ds macasek "Mac\['a]\[vs]ek .DS \*[Macasek] \*[macasek] .DE one gets an optically pleasing 'scaron'

Re: [Groff] Odd problem escaping `.'

2006-05-02 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Louis Guillaume wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a way to get my section numbers in the table of contents. This is with -ms. This is what I've been trying: .NH 1 OVERVIEW .XS \n[H1] \.\n[H2] \.\n[H3] OVERVIEW .XE The above produces... 1 OVERVIEW . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [Groff] Odd problem escaping `.'

2006-05-03 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Keith Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 5:47 pm, Louis Guillaume wrote: Thank you for the explanation. This is great. "\*[SN]" works. Note that \*[SN_DOT] does not appear to work! Sorry, my mistake. That should have been \*[SN-DOT], and \*[SN-NO-DOT] for the case without the terminal d

Re: [Groff] Odd problem escaping `.'

2006-05-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Keith Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 03 May 2006 5:25 pm, Louis Guillaume wrote: Joerg van den Hoff wrote: sorry to interfere, but \*[SN-DOT], \*[SN-NO-DOT] seem not be there in groff 1.19.1 (which is what I'm running on my Mac), at least they don't work and are not present in s.tmac

Re: [Groff] on MacOSX

2006-05-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Larry Kollar wrote: Joerg van den Hoff wrote: well, MacOS is commercial and they seem to be reluctant to update things like, e.g., rsync or groff as fast as they could [...] Apple updates it when there's a security-related issue. I install groff in /usr/bin, wiping the Apple-sup

[Groff] problem with texi2pdf groff.texinfo

2006-05-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, I tried to recreate a new pdf-version of the manual with texi2pdf groff.texinfo for the 1.19.2 release. I get (sorry for this...): ===CUT=== sed: 2: "s/\(^\|.* \)@documenten ...": whitespace after branch sed: 4: "s/\(^\|.* \)@document

Re: [Groff] problem with texi2pdf groff.texinfo

2006-05-08 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: The simplest way is to say make groff.pdf I forgot to add that this passes option `-e' to texi2dvi to let makeinfo expand the macros. Werner OK, the omitted '-e' explains my problem with the direct texi2dvi call. thanks again joerg __

[Groff] groff manpage typo

2006-05-08 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, there is a typo (sort of) in the manpage. concerning the '-Z' option it reads: -Z Do not postprocess the output of troff that is normally called automatically by groff. This will print the intermediate output to standard output; see groff_out(5). the first sentence is b

[Groff] refer warnings

2006-05-10 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, after upgrading to 1.19.2 I get new warnings from refer: refer:./tt:4: nothing to reference (probably `bibliography' before `sort') if the document `tt' contains the directive .R1 accumulate .R2 but does _not_ include references. (the situation arises, because I always use a standard head

[Groff] refer warnings

2006-06-14 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, I asked this some 6 weeks ago but got no answers. hoping that the mail maybe reaches some other list members this time I dare to repeat my question: after upgrading to 1.19.2 I get new warnings from refer which were'nt there previously: refer:./test:4: nothing to reference (probably `

Re: [Groff] refer warnings

2006-06-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: I asked this some 6 weeks ago but got no answers. hoping that the mail maybe reaches some other list members this time I dare to repeat my question: I haven't forgotten your email, but I wasn't able to immediately response, and it moved deeper and deeper into my cueue of

Re: [Groff] Sun's troff now available

2006-06-24 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Larry Kollar wrote: I stumbled across this today, and didn't see anything about it in the archives. http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/doctools.html "The Heirloom Documentation Tools package provides troff, nroff, and related utilities They are portable and enhanced versions of the utilitie

Re: [Groff] refer warnings

2006-06-28 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: refer:./test:4: nothing to reference (probably `bibliography' before `sort') I've fixed that now in the CVS. Please test. Werner perfect. refer warnings are gone (for good). thank you. question: > groff --version yields GNU groff version 1.19.3 Copyright (C) 2

[Groff] misleading warning

2006-06-28 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
a minor issue: when formatting a document including .PSPIC directives with -Tlatin1 (i.e. for the terminal) one gets the warning: macro `PSPIC' not defined (probably missing space after `PS') while notification that the macro does not exist is OK, the guess that this might be due to a missing

Re: [Groff] misleading warning

2006-06-29 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: Such a warning can only be emitted by PSPIC itself. You might extend it with pspic.tmac: No image support for output device `foo'. Using an empty rectangle instead. Then the file pspic.tmac can be always loaded at start-up. Patches welcome. BTW, I've j

Re: [Groff] Refer Usage Question

2006-07-07 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Frank Jahnke wrote: I use refer a lot to process references in [gt]roff. I have been unable to figure out how to handle the groupings of references. An example would be: The flux capacitor has been studied widely [7-23] after the pioneering work of Smith [11-15]... where those references are

Re: [Groff] Refer Usage Question

2006-07-12 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: (and to be fair, it _is_ in the manpage of refer and one can understand that passage without making it a project of it's own -- which is not the case with other parts of the manpage, I'm afraid :-) Friends, since I don't use refer, I have no real chance by myself to improv

Re: Re: [Groff] Refer Usage Question

2006-07-12 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
M Bianchi wrote: On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:52:02PM +0200, Joerg van den Hoff wrote: : and while I'm writing anyway: does anybody know how to handle the following situation: source: Miller et al. .[ miller01 .] did it wrong and John Doe, too. .[ Doe02 .] r

[Groff] soelim and file names defined in string registers

2006-08-18 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, looking at the docs and the archives I did'nt find this: if there are preprocessor directives in a sourced file and the file name is specified in a string register in the document errors result. say I have to files `t2' and `t3' which are to be sourced from within this document `t1':

Re: [Groff] soelim and file names defined in string registers

2006-08-18 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
(Ted Harding) wrote: On 18-Aug-06 Joerg van den Hoff wrote: hi, looking at the docs and the archives I did'nt find this: if there are preprocessor directives in a sourced file and the file name is specified in a string register in the document errors result. say I have to files `t2

Re: [Groff] soelim and file names defined in string registers

2006-08-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: just an idea: the problem would go away if the `.so' request could be told (by a second argument to the request) to rerun all necessary preprocessors on the sourced file before inserting it (the preprocessors could be those specified in the groff call or explicitely specifie

Re: [Groff] new German support

2006-12-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Werner LEMBERG wrote: I've added German support for groff, both traditional (`-mde') and new (`-mden') ortography. Please test and enjoy! `ortography' being an example of the english equivalent of 'neue deutsche rechtschreibung', I presume? :-) but seriously: thank's for this change. joerg

Re: [Groff] Status of the portability work, and plans for the future

2007-01-09 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Eric S. Raymond wrote: Jon Snader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: As a Vim user, I use the K command to pop up a man page in an editor window when I need to check the exact usage or parameters. I know that emacs users can do similar things with the M-x man command. Most serious developers use either emacs

Re: [Groff] eqn to MathML

2007-01-29 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Eric S. Raymond wrote: doclifter has reached a point in its evolution at which the single new feature that would add the most value is probably the ability to translate eqn markup to MathML. I have looked for programs that do this, and I have found no evidence that any exist. Having looked at t

Re: [Groff] State of the MathML patch

2007-02-02 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
Eric S. Raymond wrote: Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Werner, I have a couple of minor improvements to the MathML patch; notably, I've fixed a minor bug in the handling of inline equations and another that attached an incorrect attribute to . Would you prefer to receive an incremental patc

[Groff] gxditview question

2007-02-09 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi everybody, I small point: I've noted that `gxditview' (the same holds for `xditview') does not recognize any user input (keyboard or mouse) as long as the mouse cursor is in the 'decoration frame' provided by the window manager or in the bottom line (where the page number is displayed) of the

[Groff] \*SN] question

2007-02-12 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, second try (something went wrong the first time...): I stumbled over the following: I have some ms-macros to collect .NH section headings automatically in a table of content (TOC) with the correct section number. a stripped down variant is attached. in order to account for .SH sections as

Re: [Groff] \*SN] question

2007-02-13 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
(Ted Harding) wrote: On 12-Feb-07 Joerg van den Hoff wrote: hi, second try (something went wrong the first time...): I stumbled over the following: I have some ms-macros to collect .NH section headings automatically in a table of content (TOC) with the correct section number. a stripped down

Re: [Groff] \*[SN] question

2007-02-15 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 09:26:50PM +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > > Also, had you called ".NHH n xxx" with n>0 first, everything > > > would have been okay. > > > > not quite: the interspersed `.SH' section would have got an > > erroneous section number (the last one) in the TOC. > > You're

Re: [Groff] \*[SN] question

2007-02-15 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 04:16:06PM +, Keith MARSHALL wrote: > Joerg van den Hoff wrote, quoting Tadziu Hoffmann: > >>> another question: wouldn't it be wiser to emit a warning in > >>> s.tmac a la > >>> > >>> "warning: register `SN&

Re: [Groff] gxditview question

2007-02-19 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:09:12PM +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > I small point: I've noted that `gxditview' (the same holds for > > `xditview') does not recognize any user input (keyboard or > > mouse) as long as the mouse cursor is in the 'decoration > > frame' provided by the window manage

Re: [Groff] gxditview question

2007-02-20 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 07:04:41AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > 2. Make a copy of the block beginning with > > > "GXditview.paned.viewport.dvi.translations", > > > change "GXditview.paned.viewport.dvi.translations" to > > > "GXditview.paned.translations", and edit the bindings

Re: [Groff] Integral signs

2007-02-28 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 01:42:38PM +1100, Miklos Somogyi wrote: > Dear Folks, > > I need some integral signs with circles/ellipses around them (e.g. for > control volumes). > I've experimented a lot but only got something that is just acceptable > in print, > but downright ughhly in Preview and

Re: [Groff] groff html output, eqn and journals

2007-03-12 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:26:37PM -0700, Frank Jahnke wrote: > I have a paper set in groff, and I wish to submit it to a journal for > publication. Their standard line is to submit in DOC or RTF formats; > needless to say, that is not helpful, particularly since it is full of > differential equat

Re: [Groff] groff html output, eqn and journals

2007-03-13 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:16:55AM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Frank Jahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I have a paper set in groff, and I wish to submit it to a journal for > > publication. Their standard line is to submit in DOC or RTF formats; > > needless to say, that is not helpful, particul

Re: [Groff] groff html output, eqn and journals

2007-03-13 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 12:43:59PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Groff can produce decent HTML, but you have to work with it. > > You might try Eric's DocLifter for that. Since it works on the > high-level side (this is, parsing the input file and not the > intermediate output) and can hand

[Groff] line break question

2007-03-14 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
I noticed that groff might format something like " some_text(more_text) " in such a way that it comes out as " some_text(" "more_text) " in other words, although there is no space after the opening parenthesis, the latter is treated as the word ending. question: is this inten

Re: [Groff] line break question

2007-03-14 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:15:10PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I noticed that groff might format something like > > > > > > " some_text(more_text) " > > > > > > in such a way that it comes out as > > > > " some_text(" > > "more_text) " > > Example code, please. This s

Re: [Groff] line break question

2007-03-15 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:39:16AM +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > I can only track down this to the step where the `refer' ms-macros > > are inserted (i.e. the `refer' output for my original document). > > the relevant modified excerpt from the latter is: > [snip] > > I think this has to do

Re: [Groff] Refer and Journals

2007-03-15 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 02:28:15PM -0700, Frank Jahnke wrote: > I am trying to cast references from refer into the format requested by a > particular journal. My old Bell Labs documentation on refer does not > have much information on the topic, and sadly the man page is nearly > incomprehensible

[Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, I've tried to test the current snapshot (under OSX 10.4.8.). I encountered the following problems: 1.) contrary to earlier versions, this one did initially _not_ compile due to a probably simple problem: utilities such as `xpmtoppm' which are used during documentation generation are not pr

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 10:28:30AM -0400, Larry Kollar wrote: > > Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > > > I've tried to test the current snapshot (under OSX 10.4.8.). I encountered > > the > > following problems: > > > > 1.) > > contrary to earlier ver

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:48:21PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > 1.) > > contrary to earlier versions, this one did initially _not_ compile > > due to a probably simple problem: utilities such as `xpmtoppm' which > > are used during documentation generation are not present under OSX > > und not

[Groff] pic and nroff

2007-03-18 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
I seem to recall that once upon a time simple pic output was reasonably approximated with nroff (i.e. groff -Tlatin1). at least I'm rather sure that some 2 years ago it was always possible to look at the actual text of larger documents containing interspersed `pic' code with nroff without problems

Re: [Groff] pic and nroff

2007-03-18 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:52:56PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > I now encounter the situation where the `nroff' output starts to > > switch the background colour to black (or whatever: there are black > > rectangles instead of readable text) after it encounters some pic > > code in the document

Re: [Groff] pic and nroff

2007-03-18 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 09:35:52PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I get garbled output (text is eliminated by some "censor"). I'm > > usually using MacOSX and the problem occurs > > > > -- with the native terminal app of Apple > > -- with xterm > > -- with rxvt > > > > I now checked it, too

Re: [Groff] pic and nroff

2007-03-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:27:02AM +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > Can you file a bug report to the xterm people? > > I don't think it's a bug in xterm. Nroff emits [40m codes, > which normally means "set background color to black", and this > is exactly what xterm is doing. > > Pipe the ou

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:05:11AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Maybe the real issue is that AT&T troff and its derivatives do not > > change to copy mode when reading names: > > > > .ds xx foo > > .ds \\f bar > > \*(\f2xx \n(.f > > > > prints "foo 2" with both 7th Edition troff and Heirlo

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:01:18PM +0100, Gunnar Ritter wrote: > Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > it seems not to have made it into the development snapshot dated > > > 19-march-2007 13:08 (I downloaded that right and encounter the same > > > problem as before). is this to be exp

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-20 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:05:11AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Maybe the real issue is that AT&T troff and its derivatives do not > > change to copy mode when reading names: > > > > .ds xx foo > > .ds \\f bar > > \*(\f2xx \n(.f > > > > prints "foo 2" with both 7th Edition troff and Heirlo

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:19:11PM -0400, Larry Kollar wrote: > >what seems buggy is the following: > > > >I now get "numeric overflow" errors/warnings for each `.PSPIC' > >call although > >the generated output looks alright. > > It has been that way for a long time. I have the Makefile redirec

Re: [Groff] problem with current snapshot

2007-03-22 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 04:05:08PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > what seems buggy is the following: > > > > I now get "numeric overflow" errors/warnings for each `.PSPIC' call > > although the generated output looks alright. > > Example, please. > > > Werner in trying to boil it down

Re: [Groff] eqn plugin for MS Word??

2007-08-10 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 04:08:54PM -0700, Frank Jahnke wrote: > I am writing a highly-technical review article with a colleague who > knows only MS Word on the Mac (and so is not particularly > computer-savvy). I've agreed to use Word, for which I don't much care, > but it seems to be the only wa

Re: [Groff] German quotation marks in ms

2007-08-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 02:31:34PM +0200, Axel Kielhorn wrote: > Hi! > > I'm writing a german document in ms and I'm wondering about the best > way to enter quotation marks. > > Should I > .ds Q \(Bq > .ds U \(lq > and use > \*Q \*U? > > or can I simply use ,,and''? > > The later is much easie

Re: [Groff] gkurz, a short introduction for german users

2007-08-29 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:39:21PM +0200, Axel Kielhorn wrote: > > Am 27.08.2007 um 06:58 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: > > > > >>Please take a look at this document (It is written in german), I > >>would like to add it to the groff-wiki or maybe even the groff > >>distribution, once it is finished. >

Re: [Groff] mpictures in groff

2007-09-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 08:01:39PM -0700, andlabs wrote: > > Hello. I'm getting ready to install Plan 9 from Bell Labs on an old computer > I have, and I noticed that it has a wonderful macro set called "mpictures", > which allows you to put a PostScript image within your document: > > .BP image.

[Groff] using groff from within `vi'

2007-10-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, in case somebody uses `vi': I played around with some short- cuts which allow to substitute inplace groff source text by its `groff -Tlatin1' formatted output. this usually is _not_ what one wants but I think it's useful for simple text files (such as READMEs and the like) where you a

[Groff] how to set default font family

2007-11-02 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, back to the roots: I was always content using the default font family (times roman -- after all troff is rumoured to mean 'times roman roff'...) but finally, I've to switch fonts sometimes. the `.fam' request works just fine but seemingly not in combination with the -ms macropa

Re: [Groff] how to set default font family

2007-11-02 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 05:37:15PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > the `.fam' request works just fine but seemingly not in combination > > with the -ms macropackage. [...] > > > > question: how to enforce palatino (or whatever) as the default > > family for a complete document _inside_ the docume

[Groff] setting page offset on page 1 via pseudo page break?

2008-01-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
I thought I had this solved but cannot find it again (neither in my stuff nor in the docs): `.po' requests (and PO register in `ms' which I actually use) do take effect only on the next page, i.e. after page break. question: how to enforce some page offset on the very first page without either ed

Re: [Groff] setting page offset on page 1 via pseudo page break?

2008-01-07 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:10:09PM -, Ted Harding wrote: > On 04-Jan-08 15:24:31, Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > > I thought I had this solved but cannot find it again (neither > > in my stuff nor in the docs): > > > > `.po' requests (and PO register in `ms&#x

[Groff] problem with generating html version of manual

2008-01-08 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
attempting to generate the html version of the manual, but with groff 1.19.3 I ran into the following problem: after ./configure make cd doc make groff.html I get CUT-- makeinfo --enable-encoding -I. --html --no-split groff.texinfo \

Re: [Groff] OTF in Groff or -mom in Heitrloom troff...

2008-01-10 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:02:37PM +0100, Gunnar Ritter wrote: > "Michael Kerpan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > After joining this board (and being mostly a lurker), I've been clued > > in to the awesome -mom macro package. I'd like to use it with my > > extensive collection of OTF fonts, but i

heirloom eqn (was: [Groff] OTF in Groff or -mom in Heitrloom troff...)

2008-01-11 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:57:18PM +0100, Gunnar Ritter wrote: > Joerg van den Hoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > shows that the "hat" is sort of right aligned above the K, > > not centered as the dot is in the ps output. moreover the > > vertical

Re: [Groff] How to switch off line filling?

2008-01-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:37:42AM +0100, Dan H wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:22:12 +0100 > Dan H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2. Foreign languages: How can I load different > > hyphenation patterns, if they exist? > > More specifically: I did find the .hpf command an

Re: [Groff] How to switch off line filling?

2008-01-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:22:12AM +0100, Dan H wrote: >Hello all, > >As my job frequently requires me to write highly structured, >long emails, I???ve discovered groff to be the perfect tool for >me. This email is an example of how I use groff with the mm >

Re: [Groff] How to switch off line filling?

2008-01-21 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 01:33:19PM +0100, Dan H wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:35:05 +0100 > Joerg van den Hoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 10:22:12AM +0100, Dan H wrote: > > > I use groff > > > with the mm package (because it i

Re: [Groff] About header and footer

2008-01-31 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 11:49:50PM -0500, Luke Huang wrote: > Who please teach me how to add the header (or footer) which is NOT shown > in the first page of each section. > > P.S I am suing groff with -ms. > > Thanks a lot > Luke > > add .P1 at the top of you document. joerg

Re: [Groff] Eqn trouble in 1.19.2 on a new Mac Pro

2008-02-05 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 05:17:36PM -0500, Larry Kollar wrote: > > Robert Marks wrote: > > > Never seen anything like this -- suggestions? > > > > Input file testeq: > > [snip] > > My suggestion would be to compile groff from CVS and install over the shipped > version. The magic incantation on

Re: [Groff] Re: groff bug - eqn

2008-07-14 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:59:30PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > In addition to my new MAC laptop (with groff v 1.19.2). I have been > > able to access a MAC desktop with groff v 1.19.1. I ran three > > different files on the desktop using groff -ms -e filename > > > filename.ps All three ra

[Groff] tbl and inter-column spacing

2008-07-15 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
hi, I have not used `tbl' for some time and now see the following behaviour, which was not present before, I'm quite sure: the inter-column space seems to be zero, i.e. in a table with all left centered columns the longest entry (max. width entry, I mean) in each column "touches"

Re: [Groff] tbl and inter-column spacing

2008-07-15 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:52:21PM +0200, Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > hi, > > I have not used `tbl' for some time and now see the > following behaviour, which was not present before, I'm quite > sure: > > the inter-column space seems to be zero,

Re: [Groff] tbl and inter-column spacing

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:34:48AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > I have not used `tbl' for some time and now see the following > > behaviour, which was not present before, I'm quite sure: [...] > > Source code, please. > > > and it's still funny: the table is rendered completely (but > > exten

Re: [Groff] tbl and inter-column spacing

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 06:01:18PM +0200, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > but I still would appreciate to get some hint how to tune > > the inter-column spacing. > > From "Tbl -- A Program to Format Tables": > > Space between columns -- A number may follow the key-letter. > This indicate

Re: [Groff] GNU Bazaar import of Groff

2009-02-16 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:04:18AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I thought some of you might be interested to know that there's now a > > rolling import of Groff's CVS repository into GNU Bazaar > > (http://bazaar-vcs.org/), thanks to Michael Hudson and others at my > > employer, Canonical. >

[Groff] multiline footer?

2009-05-12 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
dear all, currently I try to get a multiline footer at the page bottom (in my case only on page one but it could be a running footer, too). I'm using the `ms' macros. I tried to modify the BT macro as such: .de BT .if \\n%=1 \{\ . sp -2v . so footer.tbl . bp \} .ie o .tl \\*[pg*OF] .el .tl \

Re: [Groff] multiline footer?

2009-05-13 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On May 12 2009 (Tue, 23:17), Larry Kollar wrote: > > Joerg van den Hoff wrote: > >> currently I try to get a multiline footer at the page bottom (in my >> case only on page one but it could be a running footer, too). I'm >> using >> the `ms' mac

Re: [Groff] multiline footer?

2009-05-13 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On May 13 2009 (Wed, 13:30), Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > Hi Joerg, > > > over all I therefore probably would prefer to fiddle with BT to get > > the multiline footer in place... > > You're probably right that the trap is being triggered again, and > again... A crufty solution might be to only mov

Re: [Groff] multiline footer?

2009-05-14 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
thanks a lot (example and all). the `vpt' request is what I was looking for, I think. in you example, though, the page footer is misaligned relative to the text body (page offset is different). it seems that the footer does not learn of the modified PO until page two. how come? and I get an error

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 8:55), John¹ wrote: > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either > Groff or LaTex to produce print ready text. Can anyone briefly tell me if > Groff does the same job as

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 20:57), Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: creating > nontrivial tables with tbl+roff is *much* easier than > with LaTeX (in part thanks to tbl's "n" (numeric) format > specifier). > > > > groff is a single pass formatter, LaTeX is multi-pas

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 23:53), Jan-Herbert Damm wrote: > Hello, > > thank you everybody for this very interesting thread!! > > as someone who came to groff via it's makro-sets (mom in my case): may i ask > for a short indication on how to accomplish this (or where to find it in TFM): > > > last no

[Groff] indentation in bibliographies

2009-07-20 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
I'm using 'refer' (and the ms macros) for generation of auto-numbered literature references (using the refer 'bibliography' request). problem: if numbers go beyond 99 there is not enough indentation space, so I get something like ... 98. some reference 99. some reference 100. some reference ..

Re: [Groff] indentation in bibliographies

2009-07-21 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:57:05 +0200, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 04:20:36PM +0200, Joerg van den Hoff wrote: I'm using 'refer' (and the ms macros) for generation of auto-numbered literature references (using the refer 'bibliography' reque

Re: [Groff] gropdf driver (was: pdfroff produces two copies)

2009-08-05 Thread joerg van den hoff
just a short feedback: 1.) thanks! 2.) in a first test with groff 1.19.3 perl v5.8.8 macosX this seems to work more or less correctly. but with a small text sample the generated pdf was about a factor of 10 larger than that resulting from `ps2pdf' (i.e. gs). furthermore `gv' complained when

Re: [Groff] gropdf driver (was: pdfroff produces two copies)

2009-08-06 Thread joerg van den hoff
thank you, and just a short confirmation that, indeed, now it works seemingly perfect for me. all the best joerg On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:11:50 +0200, Deri James wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 11:30:50 joerg van den hoff wrote: Warning: An error occurred while reading an

Re: [Groff] groff on Intel platform

2010-01-16 Thread joerg van den hoff
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:22:27 +0100, Miklos Somogyi wrote: On 15/01/2010, at 09:21 PM, joerg van den hoff wrote: On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:48:48 +0100, Miklos Somogyi wrote: On 14/01/2010, at 08:31 PM, Patrik Schindler wrote: Hello Miklos, Am 14.01.2010 um 07:57 schrieb Miklos

Re: eqn formatting issues with grops and gropdf

2022-07-27 Thread joerg van den hoff
ich was truncated!! On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:19:04 BST Deri wrote: On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 09:00:25 BST joerg van den hoff wrote: me again with an update/correction to the previous description of the issue (the described problem remains, though): 1. regarding the symobl fonts used by

Re: eqn formatting issues with grops and gropdf

2022-07-27 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 27.07.22 14:29, Deri wrote: On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 08:49:01 BST joerg van den hoff wrote: hi deri, thanks a lot for bothering. have read and understood everything. this is all interesting and mostly was unknown to me so far. I also tried out your manual slanting suggestion for grops

Re: GNU troff output and font metrics demystified (was: Greek letters not slanted in -Tps eqn output)

2022-08-09 Thread joerg van den hoff
Robinson wrote: [looping in main groff list since I went into didact mode] Hi Joerg, At 2022-08-08T21:32:24+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: I think I nearly get it now regarding font selection. but regarding font metrics: my rudimentary understanding was/is that each glyph essentially gets assigned a

Re: Greek letters not slanted in -Tps eqn output

2022-08-10 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 10.08.22 01:55, Deri wrote: ok, in this case, yes. I would have expected the relative movement being relative to the fraction bar itself, but that's obviously not what eqn does. This part I cannot speak to, as I have only barely begun coping with GNU eqn's source code. If someone else kno

Re: Greek letters not slanted in -Tps eqn output

2022-08-10 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 09.08.22 21:38, G. Branden Robinson wrote: [looping in groff@ again due to a shift in discussion focus to development] At 2022-08-09T19:14:25+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: On 09.08.22 17:05, Deri wrote: groff and grops can find the SS file, which gives the widths of the SS glyphs, but

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