Re: [JiniProposal] Choosing a new name...

2006-09-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
While we all appreciate you inviting the community to help, I also encourage the proposers to consider choosing a name among yourselves. There's nothing wrong with that, and as it's the project you are proposing, it's natural that you can choose the name. geir Jim Hurley wrote: > Hi all- > > I

Re: Wonka, Mika, and Apache

2006-09-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
There certainly is interest in Apache Harmony, as this is very much aligned to what we've already been doing for the past year and a few months. geir On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Chris Gray wrote: Hello guys, To introduce myself: I'm one of the original developers of the Wonka embedded

[discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
All, The PPMC of the Apache Harmony incubator podling has voted to ask for graduation from the Apache Incubator. We have enjoyed our time here with you, but feel that we don't want to overstay our welcome. We want to do our part to help make sure the ASF has more projects than the Incubator :)

Re: [VOTE] Ratify Tuscany PPMC vote to release project pom and buildtools artifacts

2006-10-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
+1 Jeremy Boynes wrote: > The Tuscany PPMC has voted to release a parent pom and buildtools jar > that are dependencies for a forthcoming M2 release. These would be made > available through the m2-incubating-repository to allow end users to > build source distributions of that release. In accordan

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tuesday 17 October 2006 12:44, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: >> Thanks, and we look forward to your comments. To avoid cross-post >> confusion, I will forward this message to the harmony-dev list rather >> than CC. > > Amazing feat, indeed. I

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Daniel Kulp wrote: > On Tuesday October 17 2006 12:44 am, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: >> The PPMC of the Apache Harmony incubator podling has voted to ask for >> graduation from the Apache Incubator. We have enjoyed our time here >> with you, but feel that we don't wa

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: >> Daniel Kulp wrote: >>> On Tuesday October 17 2006 12:44 am, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: >>>> The PPMC of the Apache Harmony incubator podling has voted to ask for >>>> grad

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 10:33, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: >> Will you be satisfied with a vote on posting a snapshot? > > I think some Incubator PMC member wants to see a 'full release' artifact for > review. The podling should select a r

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Oct 18, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Don Brown wrote: Agreed. I don't think it is fair to be making up graduation requirements right when a project is about to graduate. The graduation requirement is that a majority of the PMC members agree that a podling should be graduate

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/18/06, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You said that you have run Tomcat on top of Harmony. Why can't you produce a release such that I can throw the Tomcat jar at it, too? Sure, it is a developer release, but it let's non-Harmony folks play with your p

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/18/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/18/06, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You said that you have run Tomcat on top of Harmony. Why can't you >> produce a r

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
(I had a modified version of this yesterday, as I wanted to wait to summarize. Here it is, trimmed down) Mads Toftum wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 11:44:22PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: The PPMC of the Apache Harmony incubator podling has voted to ask for graduation from the Apache

Factors for Graduation (Was Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I'm not dismissing the importance of Greg's concern, and am not trying to take the Harmony conversation down a rat-hole (or different rat-hole in this case...), so I changed the Subject line. --- Let me take a brief side trip here about [Unwritten] Incubator Graduation Requirements Isn'

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I made the mistake of not responding publicly, thinking that it was just best to ignore it. I had nothing to do with it - it didn't represent any sentiment that I have, nor was I a participant in any such email conversation, or ever have been. My head has only room for one hat at a time, and

Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
geir Leo Simons wrote: Last e-mail on this for the day, promised! :-) Greg -- having many e-mails as threaded responses rather than a single one is useful if you have nested threading and you're only interested in part of a sub-sub-thread. Maybe gmail needs fixing :-P. In any case, here&

Re: RAT

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Into the incubator, of course ;) geir Noel J. Bergman wrote: Robert, Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can start promoting around the ASF to use? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EM

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/19/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the source is the heart of any apache release. most issues with > releases are actually issues with the source. a community that does > not understand how to create source that can be

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... > I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage > concerns about community health and capability to please read those &g

Forrest? Trees?

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I'm pretty resigned to the fact that we're not going to be able to present a resolution to the board this month for Harmony. I do keep a flicker of hope, mainly because I'm an eternal optimist. I do think it's a shame, because I believe the core values sought and taught in the incubation pr

Re: RAT

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I just wanted to run RAT on RAT ;) geir Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can start promoting around the ASF to use? To be honest, I don't believe it's a good fit. Not every projec

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: IMHO - the only reason to have a project (TLP or subproject, no matter) is to release code. Anything prior to a release might be a sandbox, it might be a podling, it might be a lose alliance of the willing. Whatever...

Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there are opportunities where we can

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Last checkpoint, "Has the sponsoring PMC [e.g. Board] voted to accept the project?" You have a few hours yet to put a resolution on their plate for next week. And honestly - they would probably table it for review even if you gave them a month lead time, so might

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's c

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mads Toftum wrote: On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:34:02PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Just so no one misunderstands this - the only way a podling can graduate is if it has enough IPMC votes. The model in mind was that there are IPMC members engaged with the community, so that it's

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not trying hold a vote "elsewhere" - this can only happen if there is a binding vote by the Incubator - it just means you vote "over there" rather than "over here&

Re: voting was Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

2006-10-23 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Might be nice to leave "binding-ness" as an accounting detail for the person running the vote, to get rid of the "my vote counts, yours doesn't" thing that David pointed out. After all, if you get consensus, and it's all +1s. geir Paul Fremantle wrote: David I think you are wrong. Bef

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: The Incubator is about verification, not participation. I think Geir is wrong in trying to lever IPMC members into more project involvement. We are here as volunteers to oversee the process, not participate in the projects. I think this is a topic for honest disagreement,

[VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a TLP. <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/ 200610.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The following votes have been recorded (in order of votes cast) : +1 Geir Magnus

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a TLP. <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/ 200610.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The following votes have been recorded (in order of vote

Re: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
w00t! Jim Hurley wrote: Hi all- Thank you to the 134 folks who participated in the survey to help us determine a new name for the "Jini" project proposal at Apache. The results are included below. The first preference was for "aladin" (related to the "genie" theme), but unfortunately, there ar

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 10/24/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I am asking for a vote of the Incubator on graduation of Harmony that is conditional on the board's approval of a TLP for that purpose. This way we don't have to vote again after the board meet

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 10/24/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, I am asking for a vote of the Incubator on graduation of Harmony that is conditional on the board's approval of a TLP for that purpose. This way we don't have to

UPDATE - Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
As noted in the vote email : Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Under the Incubator process, Harmony must have a destination prior to exiting incubation, which means the ASF Board must decide whether or not create a TLP for Apache Harmony prior to the Incubator vote being official. However, I suspect

Comment - (Was [Fwd: [VOTE] REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members])

2006-10-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I didn't want to mess up the vote thread... Should this really be "Shall"? We've been successful in Harmony with a slightly different model, where we didn't just sweep committers in except for the mentors and champion, because we didnt' start with any code. We treated the Initial Committer l

Re: Comment - (Was [Fwd: [VOTE] REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members])

2006-10-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Should this really be "Shall"? We've been successful in Harmony with a slightly different model, where we didn't just sweep committers in except for the mentors and champion, because we didnt' start with any code.

Re: Comment - (Was [Fwd: [VOTE] REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members])

2006-10-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Should this really be "Shall"? We've been successful in Harmony with a slightly different model, where we didn't just sweep committers in except for the mentors and champi

Re: Comment - (Was [Fwd: [VOTE] REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members])

2006-10-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Anyway, I do realize that the discussion was two weeks ago. I just missed it. Apologies. Ignore me :) geir Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Should this really be "Shall"?

Any More Unsent Votes? (Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval))

2006-10-26 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Anyone else? Mino started processing last night, and I want to give time for people to have a chance to vote... geir Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a TLP. <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incuba

Harmony Vote Ending Tomorrow - Sat, October 28, 2006 - 12:00 Noon, Pacific Time

2006-10-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
if you haven't voted and are interested in voting, please do. Thanks geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RESULT} Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
(transaction); getBoardApproval(transaction); transaction.commit(); } catch(RollbackException re) { continueIncubation(); } Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation from the Incubator as a TLP. <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incuba

Re: [VOTE] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote: The OpenJPA incubator community voted on and has approved a proposal to release OpenJPA 0.9.6-incubating. Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases ) we would now like to req

Re: [VOTE WITHDRAWN] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I don't think so. Let the podling come up with what they call 0.9.6, let it give clear information to what that means, and the incubator PMC votes from there. This is getting counterproductive. geir Patrick Linskey wrote: Hi, I agree with Marc that we should continue to iterate on the 0.

Re: [VOTE][SECOND ATTEMPT] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-28 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote: The OpenJPA incubator community voted on and has approved a proposal to release OpenJPA 0.9.6-incubating. Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases ) we would now like to req

Re: [VOTE] Publish Yoko M1 release

2006-12-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 Mosur Ravi, Balaji wrote: Hi, I have fixed all the issues that were raised during the earlier vote and I have uploaded the new release at: http://people.apache.org/~bravi Also, I used the tag https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/yoko/tags/yoko-1.0-incubating -M1-release for th

[VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
me: River * Project Key: RIVER (4) identify the initial set of committers * Dan Creswell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Bill Venners ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Mark Brouwer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Geir Magnusson Jr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Bob Scheifler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Jim Waldo ([EMAIL

Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 from me Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as "River". You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under other names, including Braintree and J

Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Note - this vote will be for 3 days, ending midnight, saturday december 23rd, 2006. Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as "River". You may be familiar with this project

Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as "River". You may be familiar with this project

Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache

Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Jim, I've updated the proposal in the wiki, hopefully addressing your two concerns - noting that there are no other implementations of Jini technology at the ASF, and noting that committership for the initial committers will be granted upon engagement with the project, as determined by th

[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

2006-12-26 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Yoav No other votes cast. (I hope I didn't miss anyone). As we received an adequate number of +1 votes from Incubator PMC members, this vote passes :) I'll get the necessary infrastructure machinery going, staring with the mail lists. geir On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Ma

Notice - Lists for River podling created

2007-01-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
All - note that the mail lists for the River podling have been created : The public lists are : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subscribe in the usual way, following the pattern : [EMAIL PROTECTED] See you there. geir --

Re: JAX-WS TCK and CXF 2.0 release

2007-03-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
As long as you mark it as UNTESTED or BETA per the JAX-WS part - IOW, make no claim about compatibility, you're fine. geir On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Bozhong Lin wrote: Hi, Apache CXF team is planning for its 2.0 final release. In benefit of CXF users, we would like to cut 2.0 release s

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