Mads Toftum wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:34:02PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Just so no one misunderstands this - the only way a podling can graduate
is if it has enough IPMC votes. The model in mind was that there are
IPMC members engaged with the community, so that it's their votes that
make it official (not the other community votes).
(So come and vote...)
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't work for me - you're essentially moving
the vote further away from those who have the binding votes. That's very
much the wrong direction to go. I'd be fine if you were to hold Harmonys
vote about if they should ask for graduation on harmony-dev, but the
incubator pmcs vote should be on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really don't like this one
bit - adding extra hoops to make voting more cumbersome for certain
people - and don't want to take the thought about historical parallels
any further.
</rant>
I'm sorry for the ranting, but I get very annoyed when someone tries to
prune out voters up front that may not have the "right" opinions. I'm
sure that it wasn't the direct intention, but it will be the effect.
"Prune out"? I've been criticized for the exact opposite, namely trying
to ensure that people have enough information, trying to come to
consensus, rather than just calling for a vote and hoping to just get a
majority. Adding projects to the ASF is a serious matter (I know, this
doesn't add it, but it's a major step), and I am uncomfortable with
discussion-less votes for things this important.
You'd have a point if it wasn't announced, explained and re-announced.
I'm not asking you to travel, register, have government ID, pay a poll
tax, fight through a line of protesters, get around roadblocks, get
yourself off a list of felons, or wait in line forever because there
aren't enough voting machines.
Nor is it an attempt to just get by with the few IPMC members that did
vote on harmony-dev so far. I'll be very disappointed if we don't get
your vote, Greg's vote, Roy's vote, Noel's vote, Bill's vote, everyone's
- WHATEVER THAT VOTE IS - on this matter.
All this asks is that you put a different string of ASCII characters
("harnony-dev" vs "general") in front of "@incubator.apache.org" in the
"To:" field of your email when you send your vote for the purpose of
having the vote on the mail list of the community upon which you are
casting judgment about their fitness to graduate the incubator.
I honestly didn't think it would be that much of burden, but would be a
harmless experiment in community building and Incubator Process - it was
meant to be something positive. Seems like the jury is still out, but I
still believe I'm not wrong.
I do thank you for being open and forward with your opinion (although I
don't like the accusation) and hope to hear from others as well, either
with your votes or simply your comments.
geir
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