And thanks to both of you for this fuzzy-thread that runs through a lot
of your discussions here. I don't feel intellectually (or focusly)
capable of parsing everything here offered out to the fringe/fray at the
edge of the implicative network offered. Not even a spanning-tree of it
most of t
Very nice! Thank you. And please don't think you owe any responses whatsoever.
Fora like these are a *pastime*, engaged for fun, though I'll admit to the
occasional professional clue provided by the diaspora. But know that your
contributions are valued.
It sounds to me like you're making a 2 p
On 1/27/22 7:46 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
Did I hear/read correctly that the Salton Sea in the Southern
California desert is above the world's largest Lithium deposit? I
believe that body of water is useless for most purposes.
whose modern roots are quite medley of unintended consequences:
du/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 10:30 AM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
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> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 10:30 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam
Rendering and parsing costs can be significant. In Microsoft Outlook for the
web, I have had e-mails where it takes a full second between each keystroke.
No, I haven't really investigated the detailed profile of where that cost was
coming from. (It's not open-source software, so why would I
Sheesh. I was talking about trimming the HUGE FriAM footer, not the content of
the posts. You know, this part of every message you get:
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Yeah, that's a good point. And it's relevant to SteveS' comment on the
metaphorical neutering of stereotypically identified "men". (That category
also
thout torturing things
a word at a time. If that doesn't work, then there is probably bad faith.
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:17 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Yeah, that's a good
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*From:* Friam on behalf of Steve Smith
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:1
Excellent, as usual. Thanks for donating that work to the list! Seriously. I
know it's actual work.
If I try to concisely reword what I read, the objective is: a monotonically increasing
progression of complexity (maybe "plectic organization") absent the freezing
out of prior stages of that pr
urons to stimulate. To some that's Black Mirror. To me it seems
more like freedom.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:17 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
On 1/25/22 11:38
Tasty tumors!
From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:56 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Weird, and interesting.
In the first page, where they comment that they are culturing biopsied
Green
> Zones, like in the Iraq sense?
>
> Marcus
>
>
> *From:* Friam on behalf of glen
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:50 AM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
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> Well, OK. But the question still stands:
<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com
<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:25 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
On
fences around estates? Green Zones, like in the Iraq
sense?
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:50 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Well, OK. But the question still stands: Necessary for what ob
Well, OK. But the question still stands: Necessary for what objective?
The Siebert & Rees paper talks about shared values like "socially just ecological sustainability",
"salvage civilization", "one-earth living", etc. And each one of their criticisms in section
3 also assume some values. So, I
https://goodmeat.co/process
From: Friam on behalf of Steve Smith
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To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
China's population has stopped growing--primarily
because there are more urban educated workers,
especial
rban educated workers, especially women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Excellent, Marcus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
gt;>>>>
>>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for
>>>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
>>>
from educating girls. His reference was:
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>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.1206964&c=E,1,dhZqId6BmX_lZAkiZ4KqytELCYK4cwA4xL
us
From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on
behalf of Frank Wimberly mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 7:11 PM
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24, 2022 7:11 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>
> Excellent, Marcus.
>
> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two
> problems, "God" h
erence was:
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>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
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government.
Marcus
From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on
behalf of David Eric Smith mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
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mailto:friam@redfish.com>&g
24, 2022 9:40 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
China's population has stopped growing--primarily
because there are more urban educated workers,
espe
ating scientists
and their counterparts in government.
Marcus
*From:* Friam on behalf of David Eric
Smith
*Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
rly
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Excellent, Marcus.
Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two problems,
"God" has tricks for making babies.
t potential reduction for
>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>>
>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Fr
ook was the 6th largest potential reduction for CO2
>> drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was:
>>
>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Friam on behalf of Merl
re one for the negotiating,
> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in
> government.
>
> Marcus
>
> --
>
> *From:* Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith <
> desm...@santafe.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 202
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From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on
behalf of David Eric Smith mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
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mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
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>> government.
>>
>> Marcus
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>> *From:* Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith <
>> desm...@santafe.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Necessary for what, though? We need the shared value(s) before we can ask what response
we'd get from the convergence on something that might be necessary to adhere to that
value. Is the shared value that biology on this planet should be preserved and the thing
we need to do is impossible? Or p
in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, patient,
>>> subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in government.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monda
.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
From: Friam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
China's population has stopped growing--pr
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santafe.edu>>
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You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to Hannah
Arendt’s description of feu
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>
> You know,
government.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back
>> *From:* Friam on behalf of glen
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>> *To:* friam@redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, w
om
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Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or
people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring from one
store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the SFI
Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or
people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring from one store to
another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS
modeling tool into a broad spectrum simulati
m:* Friam on behalf of glen
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
> That's a cool paper. Thanks.
>
> But I think there's some kind of observability (beyond reachability)
> assumption
*From:* Friam on behalf of glen
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*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
That&
outspoken, if only in wacky ways. Perhaps
that is just a way to confuse discussions about substantive policy changes?
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 3:16 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
That's a
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I apologize. By "DLU" I meant Don't Look Up. I am sensitive about mentioning
it after Friday's meeting.
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Do you suppose there is any etymology between the Star Trek character and the
clearance level (very secretive and elite, etc.)?
If there were, then Star Trek Q and QAnon would sort of be cousins.
Or does everybody el
stem simply does not
>> concern itself with such evaluations as they are of no consequence. It
>> can jump between sets of principles for any number of reasons, including
>> amusement. I am of course thinking of Q! (Musk is not quite there.)
>>
>> https://en.wik
screaming children on
the planes. Otherwise, not seeing the downside.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 2:48 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
I read
ehalf of glen
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Hm. So you're distinguishing between someone calling the actor "corrupt" versus
the actor, itself, thinking it's "corrupted". I agree that a closed acto
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>
> That's not true at all. Closed systems do have disc
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*From:* Friam on behalf of glen
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
That's not true at all. Closed systems do have disclosures in terms of the
wiki/Q_(Star_Trek)
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 2:13 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
That's not true at all. Closed systems do have disclosures in terms of the
behavior of their
-
*From:* Friam on behalf of glen
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Well, yeah, I see little evidence of such principle-free attractors
: Monday, January 24, 2022 1:26 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Well, yeah, I see little evidence of such principle-free attractors too ...
because I'm conditioned to think all actors have prior principles and, when
they achieve power, they slide into
-
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At first, I struggled to see how this mapped to health care logistics. But on
2nd read, it clearly doe
once entropy is eliminated, then death will soon follow. Entropy
could still be high and inter-group violence common.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 12:00 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
At first
Eric, your link didn't work. Could you please re-send. Thanks.
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:01 PM glen wrote:
> At first, I struggled to see how this mapped to health care logistics. But
> on 2nd read, it clearly does.
>
> The question that now dominates is a) shared values - even if it's
> over
At first, I struggled to see how this mapped to health care logistics. But on
2nd read, it clearly does.
The question that now dominates is a) shared values - even if it's overshoot and we know it's overshoot, do
the exploiters (and their rhetorical victims) care at all about the same things th
Will it be "sustainable"? That depends who is
being sustained.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 4:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistic
utions are adopted. I am sure of that.
>
> Marcus
> --
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> desm...@santafe.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 21, 2022 2:00 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> fria
ted. I am sure of that.
Marcus
From: Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 2:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
Some of the condensations in this th
Another way Musk profits from the collapse of global infrastructure. Smart!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-21/elon-musk-offering-satellite-internet-to-tsunami-hit-tonga
On Jan 21, 2022, at 8:50 AM, glen wrote:
Well, except that this solipsism betrays a profound similarity be
Well, except that this solipsism betrays a profound similarity between the
cheerful billionaire exploiter and the unfixable deplorables. It's almost
psychotically self-centered. I can imagine a slow, corrupting process where I
would if I could, as well. But that transformation would have to be
If anything, Musk is suspicious because he is not overtly apocalyptic. Some
criticisms of Don’t Look Up were along the lines that it fails to try to
persuade a change of course in favor of being condescending. That was the
whole point of the movie: Comic relief among the reasonable who must
This video essay concludes with the same point:
The Fake Futurism of Elon Musk
https://youtu.be/5OtKEetGy2Y
Perhaps a better title would have been "Muskian Futurism is Eschatological". But there's some deeper stuff
there in the middle of the video about the appeal of geezers like Sanders to "th
Please resend the post about the new game about a dystopian future. I've
been trying to download STEAM so i could watch, and I lost the post.
Thanks.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:33 PM glen wrote:
> Yes, insurers are a big part of the problem. But it's not the whole
> problem. I can't find the lin
Yes, insurers are a big part of the problem. But it's not the whole problem. I can't find the
link now. But I linked to a story about how Louisiana (I think) had "magnetized" the
majority of their hospitals such that the capacity for broad spectrum care was isolated to few
locations, difficult
< I still don't see it much in the way these news stories are structured. But
even from the beginning of the pandemic, people who work in health care
logistics watched hospitalizations closer than cases or deaths. Staffing,
availability of equipment, beds, local population and demographics, hosp
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