The Rees paper was talking about the painless option of agreeing not to have children?
On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:44 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: Eric, it's quite possible I got infanticide confused with abortion. I have an image of suffocation of a newborn in my memory but I have younger siblings who survived to old age. Who knows what my two year old self was imagining. David, if you're here, your account the Buddhist understanding of the development of the infantile mind is remarkably similar to the psychoanalytic account of the separation-individuation process in the first months of life. I've had a book on my shelf for 50+ years called "Buddhism and Psychoanlysis" by Alan Watts. Maybe I should read it. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 3:12 AM David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu<mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I miss that does happen. When Marc Feldman used to report on these things to us — he having been in the advising team to the Chinese government for their 1-child policy — he said the main instrument of gender imbalance was the ultrasound. To the extent that daughters got drafted into service of other’s parents, while sons were drafted into service of their own parents, there was some level of non-medically-driven abortion of girls. It is easy to imagine, of course, that there are rural areas that have access to government enforcement but not to ultrasound, though much more 30 years ago than now. Feldman said two things, one of which is an empirical claim and the other interpretive. The empirical is probably trustworthy. He said there was some province (or probably smaller region) where it wasn’t customary that married women always get carried off to the husband’s family, and that there, they did not see the sex ratio departing from whatever is its natural level, which I think is barely boy-biased to a degree that traditionally could have compensated for the excess death rates of boys in early life. The interpretive thing he said was that, when questioned about what drove families to selectively abort until they had boy children, the number-1 answer they gave was not old-age material want, but a wish “to carry on the family name”. Feldman seemed to think this was important, as an instance of the ineffable trumping the effable. I hold the claim in some reserve, because the justification people give for doing something may or may not be what a neo-Skinnerian would call the actual cause. The other thing that I’m not sure I follow in the Seibert and Rees narrative is how a 1-child policy gets us to a 90% reduction in a few decades. log2(0.1) ~ -3.32, so 1-child gets us to 10% in about 70 years if a generation is 20 years. But that’s just details. Eric On Jan 24, 2022, at 9:11 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com<mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: Excellent, Marcus. Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially notwithstanding those policies. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in government. Marcus ________________________________ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu<mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states. I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not fully dissimilar. Eric On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C. influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm f'ing doing this. ________________________________ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com> <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it, depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican food in order to have tea with smart people). On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see THAT money > again! -- glen Theorem 3. There exists a double master function. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . 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