I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting what we would call a kindergarten school and talking with the teachers. I'll never forget their complaints that the children (mostly boys) were unable--at the age of five--to tie their shoelaces or put on their jackets by themselves. The parents did everything for their one child. This started a dialogue on what the future of China might be like when these boys became adult rulers of the country.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 AM David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: > Never too late, Merle. > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, they should have drowned the boys. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> But >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that when >>> girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much more >>> likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change >>> everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out >>> the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with young men >>> demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist >>> Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.) >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It has been known for a long time that the most effective means of >>>> birth / population control was educating girls, followed closely by >>>> empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I remember >>>> studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate >>>> program. >>>> >>>> davew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> >>>> Merle wrote: >>>> >>>> < China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are >>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. > >>>> >>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for >>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was: >>>> >>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964 >>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.1206964&c=E,1,dhZqId6BmX_lZAkiZ4KqytELCYK4cwA4xLz977cmeLfMrTYrhP3BmklQPOLEU4fwWN1lRQM2UxbXsMWAXVEDer4Yykb7kz6tIFR9uWjkYw,,&typo=1> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < >>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM >>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>> >>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are >>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent, Marcus. >>>> >>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two >>>> problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple >>>> didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly >>>> females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially >>>> notwithstanding those policies. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>> >>>> 505 670-9918 >>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to >>>> basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the >>>> James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, >>>> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in >>>> government. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric >>>> Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM >>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>> >>>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to >>>> Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the >>>> Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation >>>> to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the >>>> right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks >>>> and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states. >>>> >>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not >>>> fully dissimilar. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It >>>> would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C. >>>> influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like >>>> Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and >>>> the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down >>>> a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: I'm >>>> f'ing doing this. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen < >>>> geprope...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM >>>> *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>> >>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the >>>> SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply >>>> transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the >>>> CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad >>>> spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece >>>> of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, >>>> etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it, >>>> depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types >>>> (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican >>>> food in order to have tea with smart people). >>>> >>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see THAT >>>> money again! >>>> -- >>>> glen >>>> Theorem 3. 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