Maybe they should have drowned Mao. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 9:22 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting > what we would call a kindergarten school and talking with the teachers. > I'll never forget their complaints that the children (mostly boys) were > unable--at the age of five--to tie their shoelaces or put on their jackets > by themselves. The parents did everything for their one child. This > started a dialogue on what the future of China might be like when these > boys became adult rulers of the country. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 AM David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> > wrote: > >> Never too late, Merle. >> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, they should have drowned the boys. >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> But >>> >>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that >>>> when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much >>>> more likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change >>>> everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out >>>> the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with young men >>>> demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist >>>> Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It has been known for a long time that the most effective means of >>>>> birth / population control was educating girls, followed closely by >>>>> empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I remember >>>>> studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate >>>>> program. >>>>> >>>>> davew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Merle wrote: >>>>> >>>>> < China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are >>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. > >>>>> >>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential reduction for >>>>> CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His reference was: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964 >>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.1206964&c=E,1,dhZqId6BmX_lZAkiZ4KqytELCYK4cwA4xLz977cmeLfMrTYrhP3BmklQPOLEU4fwWN1lRQM2UxbXsMWAXVEDer4Yykb7kz6tIFR9uWjkYw,,&typo=1> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff < >>>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM >>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>>> >>>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily because there are >>>>> more urban educated workers, especially women. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Excellent, Marcus. >>>>> >>>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant. Two >>>>> problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple >>>>> didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly >>>>> females? My impression is that their population has grown substantially >>>>> notwithstanding those policies. >>>>> >>>>> Frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>>> >>>>> 505 670-9918 >>>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to >>>>> basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just like to report that the >>>>> James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating, >>>>> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in >>>>> government. >>>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric >>>>> Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM >>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>>> >>>>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to >>>>> Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the >>>>> Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in >>>>> relation >>>>> to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the >>>>> right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks >>>>> and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states. >>>>> >>>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map. Yet it seems not >>>>> fully dissimilar. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration. It >>>>> would be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C. >>>>> influencer network and real money. There are some linkages, like >>>>> Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and >>>>> the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping >>>>> down >>>>> a few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's the appeal of Musk: >>>>> I'm >>>>> f'ing doing this. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen < >>>>> geprope...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM >>>>> *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >>>>> >>>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the >>>>> SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply >>>>> transferring from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the >>>>> CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad >>>>> spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece >>>>> of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, >>>>> etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps much less of it, >>>>> depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in fringe storage types >>>>> (able to get past the receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican >>>>> food in order to have tea with smart people). >>>>> >>>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake! They'll never see >>>>> THAT money again! >>>>> -- >>>>> glen >>>>> Theorem 3. 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