Did I hear/read correctly that the Salton Sea in the Southern California desert is above the world's largest Lithium deposit? I believe that body of water is useless for most purposes.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 7:36 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > Nick, > > My daughter says, > > "It is a fourth declension noun like apparatus. The plural is the same as > the singular, I believe." > > Frank > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 9:47 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank God for not trimming. I was able to catch up on this … um …. Far >> flung conversation in one go without opening a thousand messages. Thank >> You Marcus. >> >> >> >> I have only one comment: Frank, I think it’s *feteri. *Ask you >> daughter to make sure. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 10:30 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >> >> >> >> I used to trim everything, but I tend to get accusations that was trying >> to judo chop people and take them out of context. When really, I'm just >> trying to delete all distracting context. I think that larding is >> ridiculous. Reasonable people can soak up the meaning and respond without >> torturing things a word at a time. If that doesn't work, then there is >> probably bad faith. >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen < >> geprope...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:17 AM >> *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >> >> >> >> Yeah, that's a good point. And it's relevant to SteveS' comment on the >> metaphorical neutering of stereotypically identified "men". (That category >> also would include the "lean in" females, i.e. those who adopt man-ish >> behaviors to combat systemic sexism.) Metoo and cancel culture are taken as >> Black Mirror to most of the macho conservatives I meet at the pub. But to >> me it seems more like freedom. It's a negative liberty, which conservatives >> and libertarians don't understand well, even though they claim to base >> their ideology on it. Freedom from being forced to drive a 4 wheel drive >> vehicle because, well, the government builds roads with your damned taxes. >> Freedom from being mugged in the parking lot because the government pays >> police with your damned taxes. Freedom from having to filter my water >> because the government pays water treatment engineers to build plants and >> pipe potable water to your faucet with your damned taxes. >> >> The metaphorical neutering in progress like metoo and cancel culture is >> the freedom from being pelted with shit tossed at you by bottom-feeding >> bullies. Now if we could only cancel American Football, I'd be happy. >8^D >> ... such an offensive game. >> >> p.s. Y'all need to trim your posts. I just trimmed, literally, 20k of >> FriAM signature fodder from that post. Electricity doesn't grow on trees! >> >> On 1/25/22 15:37, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> > For me, meat-in-vats or Impossible burger tech. is more to address >> cruelty. To examine what we do and how -- with apologies to Glen -- it >> corrupts us. I think Ezra Klein put it well. >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/opinion/factory-farming-animals.html < >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/opinion/factory-farming-animals.html> >> > >> > A friend remarked on how her perception of the importance of sex has >> changed as she got older. I really think a lot of our perceptions are >> driven in that way, and they don't MEAN anything. I think these sundry >> appetites are very likely tunable, perhaps with some preceding machine >> learning protocol to learn the right neurons to stimulate. To some that's >> Black Mirror. To me it seems more like freedom. >> > >> > Marcus >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Steve Smith < >> sasm...@swcp.com> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:17 PM >> > *To:* friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >> > On 1/25/22 11:38 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> https://goodmeat.co/process <https://goodmeat.co/process> >> >> >> > 15 years ago, my daughter did her PhD research in HPV... a great deal >> of her time was spent "cloning human skin and giving it warts". She was >> (is) a died-in-the-wool vegetarian and humanitarian and she was a little >> squeamish about that aspect of her work, but couldn't put her finger on why >> exactly. She gifted me a copy of the biography of Henrietta Lacks which >> was fascinating. I don't know if her skin cells were HeLa, I see lots of >> progress in the field of inducing skin cells to develop into STEM cells >> (and even into embryos!) so I assume it was possible and perhaps preferred >> for the same reason HeLa is used in other fields. >> > >> > >> > I myself have been mostly vegetarian most of my adulthood and while I >> still can be persuaded that meat-eating is something humans have evolved to >> be good at, I believe as omnivores, we are also very capable of living well >> on a vegetarian and even vegan diets. When I have deviated from >> vegetarianism, it has been the usual suspects starting with bacon and >> hamburgers but including chicken and steak. Most of my peers who avoid >> red-meat don't seem to understand that every chicken-life only yields a few >> 10-piece nugget McMeals or a couple of fajita plates. I started my >> vegetarianism as a boycott against industrial meat-production and the >> animal cruelty implicit in it, but now it is augmented/dominated by my >> assumptions about planet-scale sustainability of same. >> > >> > >> > I think "growing meat in a vat" is no better (or worse) of a solution >> to our global problems than replacing 4000lb ICE vehicles with 5000lb >> EVs... while it might be "a good start" or part of a "transition >> strategy" it ignores the first-order misunderstanding of the carrying >> capacity of our biosphere (as discussed in earlier/alternate threads >> here). Sure, if the 1% ers are the only ones that drive (Electric) >> Hummers and eat 16oz Steaks (3D printed from vat grown muscle/bone/fat?) >> daily (even weekly) then these solutions are probably close to optimal for >> the moment (decade or two). But that is not the world I (want to) live in, >> and one would hope 99% would not want to either (though there is an >> aspirational logic to richy-rich wannabes who support/promote obscene >> wealth because they imagine they themselves are on an arc to that kind of >> imbalance). >> > >> > >> > Regarding meat-chickens. When COVID hit, the first thing I did was >> run down to my local farm store and adopt 12 sex-linked chicks to raise for >> eggs. I avoided hatching my own from fertilized eggs mainly because I >> didn't want to take responsibility for the roughly 50% male chickens I >> would get. Sex-Linked chicks are easily sexed because their gross >> appearance is significantly different between genders. I understand that >> the bulk of the males "culled" to send only laying hens to the likes of me >> are pushed into the meat-production industry, though I know in some >> contexts DaveW's and EricS's images of culled/discarded male chicks >> (smokestacks like holocaust camps) are very real... Most other meat >> animals are "harvested" young, as they reach their full growth while >> remaining tender. Veal is an extreme version of this. Veal and Pate' >> seem like good candidates for vat-growing. >> > >> > >> > My original point about neutering (male) pets and work animals was more >> about blunting testosterone-driven behaviour (i.e. aggression, dominance, >> and confinement resistance). The Libertarians here may want to point out >> that human males are being neutered culturally and circumstantially (and I >> don't entirely disagree, and I think the resulting dissonance is a huge >> problem for society). >> > >> > >> > Grumble, >> > >> > - Steve >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> < >> mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf >> of Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com >> <sasm...@swcp.com>> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:25 AM >> >> *To:* friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>> >> <friam@redfish.com> <mailto:friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> >>> Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters? >> >> >> >> Top hit on my google... not sure if US is very different from AU: >> >> >> >> https://www.chicken.org.au/are-meat-chickens-male-or-female/ < >> https://www.chicken.org.au/are-meat-chickens-male-or-female/> >> >> >> >>> --- >> >>> Frank C. Wimberly >> >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >>> >> >>> 505 670-9918 >> >>> Santa Fe, NM >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com < >> mailto:sasm...@swcp.com <sasm...@swcp.com>>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter >> many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come >> from). >> >>> >> >>> We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to >> the larger conversation here... >> >>> >> >>> On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> >>>> Never too late, Merle. >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff < >> merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com >> <merlelefk...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Yes, they should have drowned the boys. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly < >> wimber...@gmail.com <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com <wimber...@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> But >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century >> > >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >> >>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 505 670-9918 >> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff < >> merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com >> <merlelefk...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dave is right. Development experts have known for a >> long time that when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home >> they are much more likely to control childbearing. However, the culture >> must change everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. >> Check out the new protest and direct action movement that's happening with >> young men demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea. ("A Vicious >> Anti-Feminist Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West < >> profw...@fastmail.fm <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm <profw...@fastmail.fm>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It has been known for a long time that the most >> effective means of birth / population control was educating girls, followed >> closely by empowering girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I >> remember studying this topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology >> graduate program. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> davew >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Merle wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> < China's population has stopped >> growing--primarily because there are more urban educated workers, >> especially women. > >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest >> potential reduction for CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. His >> reference was: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964 < >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.1206964&c=E,1,dhZqId6BmX_lZAkiZ4KqytELCYK4cwA4xLz977cmeLfMrTYrhP3BmklQPOLEU4fwWN1lRQM2UxbXsMWAXVEDer4Yykb7kz6tIFR9uWjkYw,,&typo=1 >> > >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com < >> mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <friam-boun...@redfish.com>>> on behalf >> of Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com >> <merlelefk...@gmail.com>>> >> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM >> >>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee >> Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>>> >> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> China's population has stopped growing--primarily >> because there are more urban educated workers, especially women. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly < >> wimber...@gmail.com <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com <wimber...@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Excellent, Marcus. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would >> have be significant. Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As >> for 1 child per couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, >> feti?), particularly females? My impression is that their population has >> grown substantially notwithstanding those policies. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Frank >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> --- >> >>>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >> >>>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> >>>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 505 670-9918 >> >>>>>> Santa Fe, NM >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels < >> mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com <mar...@snoutfarm.com>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why >> the hell we can't agree to basic, never mind interesting things: I'd just >> like to report that the James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit. Score one for >> the negotiating, patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their >> counterparts in government. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Marcus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com < >> mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <friam-boun...@redfish.com>>> on behalf >> of David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu >> <desm...@santafe.edu>>> >> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM >> >>>>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied >> Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com >> <friam@redfish.com>>> >> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care >> logistics >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> You know, as I read your characterization, >> Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and >> the role of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer >> families in relation to the feudal lords. Fussy and indirect seems somehow >> very close to the right picture of the stateless ones navigating always >> through the cracks and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who >> had states. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t >> quite map. Yet it seems not fully dissimilar. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Eric >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus >> Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com >> <mar...@snoutfarm.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a >> fideistic declaration. It would be interesting to see how that influence >> network feeds into a D.C. influencer network and real money. There are >> some linkages, like Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer >> than with LANL and the DOE. And it all seems so fussy and indirect >> compared to slapping down a few billion dollars to build a Starship. >> That's the appeal of Musk: I'm f'ing doing this. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com >> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <friam-boun...@redfish.com>>> on >> behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com >> <geprope...@gmail.com>>> >> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM >> >>>>>>> *To:* friam@redfish.com < >> mailto:friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>> <friam@redfish.com < >> mailto:friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>>> >> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care >> logistics >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like >> Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or people like Steven Pinker or Bill >> Clinton, you're simply transferring from one store to another ... buying >> influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling >> tool into a broad spectrum simulation tool, they are not only buying a >> (questionable) piece of software; they're buying *leverage* over people's >> salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will* see that money again, perhaps >> much less of it, depending on the efficiency of the transaction, or in >> fringe storage types (able to get past the receptionist after eating >> over-priced peri-Mexican food in order to have tea with smart people). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >>>>>>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' >> sake! They'll never see THAT money again! >> >> -- >> glen >> Theorem 3. 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