itable Free software
>> available: lightweight window managers, editors, Internet tools and so
>> on.
>
> This is a great idea! But we need skilled people to be able to do this...
Yes indeed. But then, there clearly are some skilled people working on FreeDOS!
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his already exists anyway :-)
OK, true, but it's less help without a multitasker.
> Not that it would really help you with X and GUI, though...
Well, it would, *if* one had a multitasking "hypervisor" on top of DOS.
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e solved by reviving Freedos 32
Precisely the thing I was arguing /against./ :¬)
> and emulating the
> older hardware that the modern stuff is replacing.
Frankly, I think that's a ridiculous idea.
> Memory protection
> and memory management are doable on x86 computers where
g. An alternative is to revive Freedos 32 and develop
> a simple GUI for it that will attract open source programmers.
Thus completely ignoring and failing to address my reasoned argument
why that would be a bad idea. Gd...
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ulrich Hansen wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> why on earth would a whole team of volunteers spend
>> years cloning a large, complex, obsolete & dead OS that was already
>> technically irrelevant a decade ago?
>
> This i
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:58 AM, Michael C. Robinson
wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 11:53 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>> They have got a very long way and it's a tremendously impressive
>> project. You do them a grave disservice by criticising & bad-mouthing
>> them t
you can't, ask me; if I can
find an old copy, I'll send it to you.
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1ººpci.dbn 547,467 06-11-02
> 20:48º
> º 517,056k free bytes on drive C: ºº 471,520k free bytes on drive D:
> º
> È[ A C D E F * # ]ͼÈ[ A C D E F * #
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It's hard to read that here because of lots of extra
incorrec
erved for FreeBSD ]
[ extended start
[NTFS, Win2K]
[NTFS, Win7/64]
[Ubuntu root]
[Spare Linux ext3 volume]
end extended ]
With a 2nd drive reserved for data.
BSD and Solaris will not install into logical partitions, so I must
set aside primaries for them - but all versions of Linux and Windo
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:28 AM, jasse...@itelefonica.com.br
wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
>>Ahh, OK. Fair enough, that makes sense. The "legal"
>>layout for DOS, then, would be:
>> 1 primary partition
>> 1 extended partition
>> \
>> [lo
whole new start.
And at the end of the day, it's Microsoft's filesystem and it can do
whatever it wants with it. Yes, no other vendor could do it, but no
other vendor owns FAT.
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On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Alain Mouette wrote:
>
> Em 20-05-2010 01:28, jasse...@itelefonica.com.br escreveu:
>> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>>> Don't try to create 3 primary partitions - in DOS
>>> terms, that is an illegal layout.
>>
>> I
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Alain Mouette wrote:
>
> Em 20-05-2010 15:44, Liam Proven escreveu:
>>
>> You have been lucky. I have seen many incorrectly-partitioned systems
>> with multiple primaries where some drives were not visible, on various
>> versions
y of making them,
>>but if you know how to make them it allways worked
>>since MSDOS-3.
>
>>(Liam Proven)
>> You have been lucky. I have seen many incorrectly-
>>partitioned systems with multiple primaries where
>>some drives were not visible, on various versi
2 KiB) for partitions up to almost 2 GiB
You are absolutely right. I should have taken more care - sorry.
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card is not usable by freedos
It should work. Do you have any basic DOS diagnostics like MSD or
Quarterdeck's MFT? It might be worth checking that the add-in card is
on LPT1: - it is possible it's on LPT2: or LPT3: instead.
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MSD or
>>Quarterdeck's MFT? It might be worth checking that the add-in card is
>>on LPT1: - it is possible it's on LPT2: or LPT3: instead.
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>
> thanks liam
> i am onsite again in the morning to check it out further
> its a plain
SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
files into something rather spaghetti-like, but it wrung out every
last byte of free RAM. I suspect you might get further with that than
with FreeDOS, although I could be wrong...
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rivers for it.
DOS 5.1? I don't remember any such version.
InterLink appeared around the time of MS-DOS 6, I think, and I found
it very hand for many years. I never was a fan of Laplink. :¬)
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are gathered? How are they
output, to where?
I don't really use DOS any more, so I'm afraid I am unlikely to use
your tool; I am just trying to clarify what you are being asked for,
as you seem not to be getting it.
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ike there aren't enough hours
in the day to research and write the things!
I am a speedreader and I recently learned that my average
not-trying-too-hard speed is 4-5x a typical average, but still, it's
hard. Any company which only presents into as videos does not get
written about. Not by me
Bitlocker, and without the keys, no other OS could access
the drive to fix it.
So, yes, nice idea, but in practice flawed...
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l Linux onto an NTFS partition!
https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/22/install_linux_on_ntfs/
(That is one of my articles.)
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>From Canadian SF novelist Robert J Sawyer. (I've met him and read
quite a few of his books. I like them.)
He writes solely in WordStar so he's put together a freebie distro of
the final version.
https://sfwriter.com/blog/?p=5806
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088/8086 PC.
Only the upgraded PC-1512 (and the later PC-1640) had 640kB of
course. Stock models had 512kB, thus the number in the model name.
Which makes this even more important.
There's a tenuous historical justification: the PC-1512 shipped with
DR DOS-Plus in the box, which is an ancestor
more.
FUD FAQs:
* Yes, you can boot a GPT disk in BIOS mode.
* No, you do not need UEFI, but your BIOS does need to support it.
Most have done for 15-20 years or more.
* No, it does not only apply to disks over 2TB; you can partition a
256GB drive with GPT if you want, and I've done it.
r
1024*768 at all. Pity.
Sadly my copy is in another country right now. I can't upload it
anywhere. But it was possible, and it was a very small simple program
-- IIRC it shipped on one 720 kB floppy. It would probably be quite
easy to clone and reimplement.
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 18:50, Alexandro Hipólito via Freedos-user
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>
> HI,
Hi. Please do not hijack other people's threads. Start your own new thread.
Then we will try to answer.
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 at 18:00, zerofive--- via Freedos-user
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>
> Any idea on what should I do?
This seems to obvious to mention, but hey...
Turn the volume knob on your speakers down?
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 18:36, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user
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> Well, Liam, you owe me a full cup of coffee (I might be able to salvage
> the keyboard)...
:-D
(I saw the to/too typo the second I hit "send"...)
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f the fans are on full that means you've not enabled power
management. DOS runs the main CPU at full speed all the time unless
told to do something else.
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er with a power regulator is sufficient, no extra controller
> or card reader necessary
Strongly concur with Eric here. If you can eliminate USB storage, I
think that will work better with DOS.
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I have been working on such a thing myself for 5Y now but 4Y ago I had
a daughter and being a dad in my 50s has got in the way...
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extended holding logical
drives.
I don't _think_ BIOSes decide on the basis of format; the device
detection stuff happens first.
Maybe on size? Superfloppies got up to about 120MB. I don't recall much bigger.
SCSI lets devices report if they are removable or not. I don't know if
US
hat, not from a HDD partition.
On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and
emulation and things work better.
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usly I had killfiled you. I only saw your mail because I removed
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I have tried to help you twice now. You have in both cases responded
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ot-boot-problems-by-reinstalling-grub-on-linux.htm
The Boot-repair tool may help you:
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ive,
and Linux's GRUB passes control to the 1st partition.)
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re good reasons this stuff did not catch on and go
mainstream until the era of Windows 95 and 98, which built in the
support and automated the configuration.
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for 18.04 are to 18.10 (now long dead) or to 20.04.
Then, from 20.04 the OP could go to 22.04... and for now, that's it.
24.04 isn't out yet.
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2GB and it still supports
x86-32... for now. It's based on Debian, it uses a mere 200MB of RAM
at idle, it's based on LXDE, and it's free, of course.
https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/raspberry-pi-desktop/
It does not have Snap or Flatpak but it does use systemd.
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t as Ubuntu 13.10. Still 100%
working, as are all apps.
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ost anything else is better.
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> learning to program).
100% agreed.
> I simply guarantee that you won't be able to write a program that crashes any
> version of modern Windows Dosbox.
> I fail to see the advantage.
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ausible. The latter scenario is what I know, which is
why I earlier posted that PCMCIA from DOS is complicated, difficult,
and best avoided.
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uch as MultiUser DOS. Some are even FOSS:
https://github.com/roelandjansen/pcmos386v501
There are multitasking layers you can load on top of DOS, such as DESQview.
But no, unaided DOS can't do that. In the 21st century DOS is more or
less "the old PC OS that did not multitask." Th
ls and they emit total nonsense -- such as this.
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It's also not terribly stable in my testing.
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 02:46, Jose Senna via Freedos-user
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> Would someone please provide a copy of this article in a platform
> that is not at odds with Brazilian courts ?
Just use archive.org or archive.ph or archive.is or any one of lots of
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filesystem, it can use FAT16 or FAT32, which to boot must be
in a primary partition on the 1st drive.
Yes, Linux will detect it if `os-prober` is enabled in GRUB.
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elease. Microsoft is not
willing to go to even the minimal effort of searching its own archives
for the other versions to release them, but if someone else finds the
code, it will permit the release under a permissive licence.
It's not much but it's better than nothing.
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ders and
get rights from them.
Much too much work!
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cence".
*If* the code was verified as unmodified MS code and _then_ *if* MS
wrent to the extra work of removing all 3rd party code or obtaining
clearance, it would then _and only then_ be able to relicence the
resulting code.
MS cannot relicense code it did not write.
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Then I'd believe it a little tiny bit that MS means it when it says it
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On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 17:30, Norby Droid via Freedos-user
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>
> Would there be any interest in a web forum for FreeDos?
Please no. :-(
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CD (device display) ● External VGA
(most external monitors)
»
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ugh, you will not be able to do it, is the simple answer.
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 17:05, Daniel Doran via Freedos-user
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> Anyone know why this is happening?
Time to start looking for free and empty upper memory blocks and
adding some exclude parameters to JEMM386, just like in the old days.
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x27;t work.
That is true but not for why you say. The Raspberry Pi is an Arm
device. DOS is deeply tied to the x86-16 CPU model, with some x86-32
extensions. It is not meaningfully possible to create anything
usefully like DOS for an Arm chip.
So, in summary, no really, no, and oh my no.
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A $70 modern DOS-compatible x86 system-on-module, adapted to fit a
($300) Mini-ITX motherboard.
https://github.com/eivindbohler/itxllama
In other words: new DOS-compatible PC hardware in 2024.
Online store:
https://retrodreams.ca/
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ion, called EmuTOS.
https://emutos.sourceforge.io/
It's worth saying, though, that CP/M-68K was a bit of a commercial
flop, as were other non-8080 (or maybe more to the point non-Z80)
forms of CP/M (CP/M-86, CP/M-8000) -- because as you say no existing
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ow.
He also demonstrates PGME -- but, as I have reported here again
recently, his mouse does not work correctly.
I suggest trying to get GEOS working and replacing GEM, Ozone and Seal.
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Another source:
https://icop-shop.com/product/som-128-ex/
Info about it:
https://www.86duino.com/?p=374
Here's the motherboard for it:
https://retrodreams.ca/products/itx-llama-mainboard
Docs and tools:
https://github.com/eivindbohler/itxllama
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 at 22:23, Jose Senna via Freedos-user
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> If there are open source PC bioses around, they
>could be used, perhaps with some modifications.
"If"?
Of course there is.
https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS
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efore it. Ideally, trim the reply to the big you are responding to.
Use plain text, not HTML, with no formatting.
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looks good. Snag: it is huge, because it is an Electron app.
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edium, then.
Check the images in a VM: a VM should boot from them easily.
Or use Ventoy, which is a really easy way to make USB keys boot.
FreeDOS 1.3 works from Ventoy: I've tried it.
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and it will teach you stuff you NEED to know.
https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b923ca
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ree download, and the best tool of its kind
IMHO) can hide other partitions to make this easier.
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 13:24, Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
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> One of them is the "BNS Build". This one comes with the
> Provox screen reader enabled during installation and is then installed
> along with the core SvarDOS packages.
Thanks for the clarification
century thing and it's largely
disappeared now.
> Orca is, as I understand it, a virtual graphical desktop for Linux
No, it is not.
Orca is a screenreader for the GNOME desktop and other desktops built
using the GNOME toolkit
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So I now created a third primary
> partition for FreeDOS, and it all works. Thanks for the information on how
> things work.
Great! Glad to hear that. :-)
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Based in part on this blog post from 9y ago:
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led to get modern FreeDOS booting in DOSemu2.
Do you know of any instructions, docs, or a guide?
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On Fri, 30 May 2025 at 11:05, Eric Auer via Freedos-user
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> Hi! While reading on The Register about search enshittification by AI
Oh, that was one of mine. Glad you liked it. :-)
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tps://archive.org/details/uv_20250610
The author is, sadly, dead, so he will not sue.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bostonglobe/name/john-jurewicz-obituary?id=25431563
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were lots of powerful DOS editors and many are on here as free downloads:
https://clasqm.github.io/freedos-repo/
All 100% checked and legit, no "abandonware".
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of it online.
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7;s the kernel from DR-DOS 7.01 with many enhancements. Built for
a 486 with memory management. Not a good choice for a '186 or an
emulator.
I meant what I said, I stand by it, and it's based on coming up on 40
years of specialist expert knowledge.
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aid: DR-DOS 3.41.
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 at 23:35, Daniel Essin via Freedos-user
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> I have no idea what kind of hardware you have access to so I asked gemini.
Please do not post bot slop to the list.
If you didn't write it yourself, don't post it.
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I thought it might be instructive to simplify the question to make the
answer more general...
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 at 03:21, david--- via Freedos-user
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> Does FreeDOS14 have a driver for USB
No.
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https://www.seasip.info/AmstradXT/v30cpu.html
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