On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:58 AM, Michael C. Robinson <plu...@robinson-west.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 11:53 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: >> They have got a very long way and it's a tremendously impressive >> project. You do them a grave disservice by criticising & bad-mouthing >> them thus. > > Where did I bad mouth anyone in my statements? I simply stated that > ReactOS could remain an alpha OS for 10+ years easily. ReactOS might > stay in alpha state forever. As far as putting up what people said > on the reactos channel being bad mouthing, that would only be true if > I had modified the transcript on my web site.
Perhaps you don't really know what you're saying. *You* are the one who just told *us* that you got kicked off their boards; did it not occur to wonder why this was the case? >> I also think it's a pointless, futile & unproductive effort and a >> colossal waste of work by a lot of smart, dedicated people. > > Not a lot of people obviously, futile perhaps, smart is hard to verify > remotely, dedicated is debatable. That is tantamount to bad-mouthing right there. You are questioning their intelligence and their effort. Do you not see what you are doing? >> And they are absolutely right to do so. It is a ridiculous idea. > > I suppose Freedos to you is a ridiculous idea also. OK, let me try to spell this out for you simply and clearly. DOS used to fit on a couple of 360K floppies. It's perfectly possible to get an entire working useful DOS system onto a single 1.4MB floppy without compression. It is a simple, single-user, single-tasking OS, barely more than a set of device drivers for disks, with no meaningful support for graphics, printers, sound or any other hardware. This is not a hugely complex thing to reverse-engineer and re-implement. Windows 95 was hundreds of meg of code, from hundreds of developers, in a version 4 product, that included printer drivers, graphics drivers, sound drivers, I/O device drivers, network card drivers, modem drivers, disk drivers, power management, and tons of other functionality, on a multitasking kernel, with complex class libraries for programmer APIs, including support for half a dozen network protocols, several complete network client and server stacks, 2 GUIs and tons more besides. It is about 2 orders of magnitude larger. That means a hundred times bigger. It is also a commercial product of a large and aggressive current company. And you want a free clone of this complete, large and complex OS, which is technically completely outmoded and has no useful function any more, just to run some abandonware games on? The mere suggestion is barking mad! If you can't see why, well, you're not worth arguing any further with. (I strongly suspect this is the case anyway.) > Perhaps you think > that Windows 9x in general and Windows 3.x, the predecessor, were also > bad ideas. Originally? No. But they stuck around far too long & held the whole PC industry back for years. > Enough to pressure me to say what it is I believe, announce "you have > been figured out," and kick me off of the ReactOS channel shortly after. I think it's because you're hostile, confrontational and aggressive, and won't listen to reason, myself. Nothing to do with religion. > Liam, announcing you are an anti theist suggests that you want attention > and are insecure. Why should I or anyone else give you any attention? [Laughter] You may be a religious nutjob from a country full of fundamentalists, old son, but over here in the truly free world, being an atheist does not attract attention and nobody really notices or minds. >> It has a snowball's chance in a supernova. > > You are showing unsubstantiated bias and prejudice. If I thought it was worth the time and the effort, I'd give you a list of the companies sued into oblivion by Microsoft. But you're not, because no mere facts are going to sway you from your opinions, I reckon. >> Absurd. You apparently have no conception of the amount of work & code >> involved, and why on earth would a whole team of volunteers spend >> years cloning a large, complex, obsolete & dead OS that was already >> technically irrelevant a decade ago? > > There is a lot of of orphaned software that was never designed for NT. > Windows 9x didn't require as much computing power as NT systems do now > when it was popular. Win32 existed in the Windows 9x days where > most of or all of the work done on WINE could probably be leveraged. > A replacement for Windows 9x would be valuable because legally using > Windows 9x is a real challenge these days. News to me. I have proper licences for 95A, 95B, 98 & 98SE, and they cost me nothing. Secondly, generally, MS OS licences allow you to run an older "down" version on the license of a newer OS, so as long as your machine is licensed for Vista or 7, you're good to go. But if you're concerned, ask MS. I doubt they will care now. >> Then use Win9x and stop complaining. > > You are violating the rules of the Freedos mailing list with a comment > that I am complaining. This is a personal attack and you are not > supposed to engage in personal attacks turning this into Usenet or > worse the ReactOS IRC channel. [Uproarious laughter] Right, so it's OK for *you* to imply people are stupid or lazy, as I pointed out earlier in this message, but if I say you are complaining, which is, incidentally, no kind of value judgement whatsoever, then I am attacking you? [Guffaw] Thanks! That's the biggest laugh I've had all day! > What reasoned argument? I wasn't aware you were being reasonable at all > Liam. A simple GUI doesn't have to be Windows 9x/NT compatible to be > useful. I reckon it went straight over your head, dear boy. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. 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