There are lots of developers that consume FFMPEG and have a vested interest in
its development continuing smoothly... I count myself among them.
I dont think it would be hard to impanel a group (3-4) of reasonable and
dispassionate people to officiate and moderate public communication.
As an obs
> On May 17, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Clément Bœsch wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> [...]
>>1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly
>> copypasted
>> from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no
On 17 May 2018 at 15:22, Clément Bœsch wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> [...]
> > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly
> copypasted
> >from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will
> no doubt
>
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
[...]
> 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly
> copypasted
>from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no
> doubt
>be controversial.
So as mentioned already in
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Michael Niedermayer
wrote:
> I have no magic bullet sadly, which is why i didnt reply.
Even lacking a solution, a public agreement that change is needed
is a start, isn't it?
> But if there is a consensus to enforce some CoC. Then it will be enforced.
> I think t
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:25:01AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
> > wrote:
> >> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> >> and perhaps some discussion or change com
On 05/16/2018 08:06 PM, wm4 wrote:
I actually don't have much of a solution to the "nobody willing to step
up" problem, though, no. The offical documents should at least reflect
that reality then, though. A CoC that is ignored, is not a CoC.
True, in that case it's better to remove the CoC becau
On Wed, 16 May 2018 15:44:36 +0100
Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, James Almer wrote:
> > I think the issue is not the lack of clear enforcement rules, but a lack
> > of a proactive enforcer, be it a person or a body. The CoC has done
> > nothing but give people someth
Hi,
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis <
derek.buitenh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
> wrote:
> > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more lik
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Thomas Volkert wrote:
>> Maybe the solution should be something that does not require all those
>> people to convene everytime there is some petty trolling going on
>> again.
> Yes.
Suggestions welcome...
>> There is a big difference between "not caring" and not
On 16.05.2018 17:14, Hendrik Leppkes wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM, James Almer wrote:
>> On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
>>> wrote:
This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM, James Almer wrote:
> On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
>> wrote:
>>> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
>>> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, James Almer wrote:
> I think the issue is not the lack of clear enforcement rules, but a lack
> of a proactive enforcer, be it a person or a body. The CoC has done
> nothing but give people something to say when they want to be passive
> aggressive in a discussion.
On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
> wrote:
>> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
>> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
>> attacks, flames, and no change.
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
wrote:
> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
> attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will
> die and
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis
wrote:
>
> So, I present to you two possible options:
>
> 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly
> copypasted
>from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no
> doubt
>be controve
tis 2018-05-15 klockan 09:10 -0400 skrev Devin Heitmueller:
> > I'm leaning toward 2, but there would need to be some other way to deal
> > with people not getting along. Maybe Mumble conferences where the
> > involved parties get to air their feelings on whatever is at issue? I
> > dunno
>
> I'm
> I'm leaning toward 2, but there would need to be some other way to deal
> with people not getting along. Maybe Mumble conferences where the
> involved parties get to air their feelings on whatever is at issue? I
> dunno
I'm not weighing in on the CoC so much as offering my experience with
other
mån 2018-05-14 klockan 17:50 +0100 skrev Derek Buitenhuis:
> Hello all.
>
> [...]
>
> So, I present to you two possible options:
>
> 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly
> copypasted
> from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no
>
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov
wrote:
> We can't agree to disagree in this case, not if you seriously think that
> this is an attack. Would you continue to interpret such vague events as
> attacks? You gave it as an example after all.
You can use the example from May 2016 i
On 14 May 2018 at 19:23, Derek Buitenhuis
wrote:
>
> We can agree to disagree. There's not much point in arguing
> over one specific event. This mail was not about clearing up
> a specific event, but a general problem. There's not much point
> in devolving into that.
>
We can't agree to disagree
On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
>>> Lies, Lies and Lies.
>>
>>
>> I don't think it's a good thing to call a dev a liar based on limited
>> available information. If you have doubts, you can express it as such, but
>> don't assert doubts as truths.
>
> Hmm... there must be some reason that peop
On 5/14/2018 3:10 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> On 14 May 2018 at 18:45, Derek Buitenhuis
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov
>> wrote:
>>> iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were
>>> attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcomi
>> Lies, Lies and Lies.
>
>
> I don't think it's a good thing to call a dev a liar based on limited
> available information. If you have doubts, you can express it as such, but
> don't assert doubts as truths.
Hmm... there must be some reason that people continue ad hominem
attacks even though we
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov
wrote:
> That's a greeting, a welcoming back. You know, you're with friends, you get
> some money together, one of you goes to the store to grab a few beers, he
> comes back, "Ah, and you're back, and you bought enough beers, great.". It
> woul
On 14 May 2018 at 18:45, Derek Buitenhuis
wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov
> wrote:
> > iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were
> > attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcoming back considered an
> > attack? I agree with jamrial, yo
Hi,
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> > Hello all.
> >
> > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely,
> personal
> > attacks, flames,
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov
wrote:
> iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were
> attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcoming back considered an
> attack? I agree with jamrial, you definitely overreacted.
If you actually believe it was a w
Hello,
On Mon, 14 May 2018, at 19:28, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> 2's a nice option. The recent llvm fiasco demonstrated the dangers of CoCs
> being used by the wrong people.
This is the danger with very political and very vague CoC, emphasing on
"political correctness", like LLVM's
VideoLA
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:24 PM, James Almer wrote:
> As it currently stands, the only way to enforce the CoC is with a vote,
> from a committee made from a list of ~20 devs about three or so years
> ago who may or may not still be active, and who may or may not even know
> enough about what is be
On 14 May 2018 at 17:50, Derek Buitenhuis
wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely,
> personal
> attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread
> wi
On 5/14/2018 1:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
> attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will
> die
On Mon, 14 May 2018 17:50:25 +0100
Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
> attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the th
On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
> attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will
> die and peopl
Hello all.
This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will,
and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal
attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will
die and people will go on like it never happened. Sorry to be
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