On 14 May 2018 at 17:50, Derek Buitenhuis <derek.buitenh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all. > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, > personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread > will > die and people will go on like it never happened. Sorry to be pessimistic, > but history speaks for itself. > > Currently this list, and IRC, is a terrible place for developers and users. > Harassment is tolerated, and the CoC has never been enforced. There are > absolutely no repercussions as it currently stands. When develpers see > others > being abused, do nothing and then continue to act and interact with the > abuses as if nothing happened, in the future. > > This current set up of everybody flaming each other endlessly, and endless > harassment merely lets abuse proliferate, because nobody sticks up for each > other and no abusers have ever been removed, ever, in the history of > FFmpeg. > Not one thing has changed, ever, since the introduction of the CoC. It is > an absolute failure by all metrics. > > I know I am not alone having been driven away by such behavior. Even when > I started to contribute (a little, not much) again, upon joining IRC, for > example, I was immediately attacked. This is not just happening to one > person though. > iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcoming back considered an attack? I agree with jamrial, you definitely overreacted. To be honest, I am not really sure what can be done. Large portions of > the list simply do not support anti-abuse measures at all. Even the > concept of them. How does one manage to implement them without support > of even 50% of a community? VideoLAN managed to do this but it took a lot > of formal stuff on their board and people quitting to get it done. j-b > is some sort of wizard. > > I know my opinion is not worth much, since I am now more or less an > outsider > since 2015, but maybe someone cares about this stuff, too. > > So, I present to you two possible options: > > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly > copypasted > from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no > doubt > be controversial. > 2. Remove the CoC. If you're not going to enforce it, ever, there is > literally > no point in having one. I know some members of this community > object to the > very notion of a CoC, so this should please them, I am sure. > > I'm sure this will be a civil discussion. > 2's a nice option. The recent llvm fiasco demonstrated the dangers of CoCs being used by the wrong people. _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
