Robert Johnston via EV wrote:
Okay, I've been looking into/thinking about this for a bit, and I see
several ways this could be handled.
1. Electrified rail
Still widely used around the world, especially for commuter trains. A
practical solution that has stood the test of time.
2. Pantagrap
Excellent ideas Robert.
On 11/25/2022 2:33 PM, Robert Johnston via EV wrote:
Okay, I've been looking into/thinking about this for a bit, and I see
several ways this could be handled.
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out a way to make
> it work ?
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> Oh, and I'm assuming these would be EV tractors. Clearly, on steel
> rails, the battery size would be greatly reduced.
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> Peri
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hat you have to say about long haul trucks. I highly respect your points
> of view.
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> Peri
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rom: "Lawrence Winiarski via EV"
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Sent: 25-Nov-22 03:41:50
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
>I know this will sound like sacrilege on EVDL, but does it really make sense
>to have battery power
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I know this will sound like sacrilege o
I know this will sound like sacrilege on EVDL, but does it really make sense to
have battery powered Semitrailer trucks? Isn't it kind of carryingthings a
little too far?
On a practical note, a lot of electricity is met on the grid with natural gas
generators for demand as they can be spun
ours
awat at $0.12/kWh, giving the driver some choices to mull over.
Peri
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From: "Bill Dube via EV"
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Sent: 24-Nov-22 03:34:33
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the
So you foresee a time in the US where the railroads handle the bulk of the
cross-country shipping like they used to? Because that's pretty much the
only way I can see EV semi trucks not being used for over the road
operation. And if full day rate charging is cheaper than the cost of a tank
of f
Fast charging during the day will be expensive for trucks and thus be
unpopular.
The fast charger operator will take a cut, and the grid operator will
charge peak rates for electricity.
Passenger EV's don't typically use fast chargers, they charge at more
reasonable speeds and rates at home. Y
ri Hartman"
Sent: 24-Nov-22 08:38:31
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Peri,
The problem is that you'll need far more locations to charge EV Semi
Trucks than just at current Truck Stop locations, because quite often
drivers stop to sleep at rest areas along the in
ections, e.g.
charging available in 10 miles at $0.20/kWh now, or in 100 miles, two hours
awat at $0.12/kWh, giving the driver some choices to mull over.
Peri
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/kWh, giving the driver some choices
to mull over.
Peri
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Sent: 24-Nov-22 03:34:33
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid
y respect your points of
view.
Peri
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Sent: 23-Nov-22 14:55:48
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Sent: 23-Nov-22 14:55:48
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>No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need
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No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need a
ew.
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Sent: 23-Nov-22 14:55:48
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
No need upgrade the
/23/22 2:56 PM (GMT-08:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Bill Dube
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need a few incentives and a little
intelligence.There is a lot of misinformation about this, here on the EVDL
even. >>>&
No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need a few incentives and a little
intelligence.
There is a lot of misinformation about this, here on the EVDL even.
>> Grid capacity problem ? >>>
There is LOTS of power available on the grid, just not at the peak
times of the day. No pro
Yes, unfortunately, no one is guiding development with the consumer in mind.
I’ve been up north and there are parking lots with outlets at every parking
spot I suppose for block heaters. It would fairly easy and cheap to do this
more. Then you could plug in at work. I don’t know about in public
Wow, you must commute a LONG ways every day! When an EV has a 300+ mile
range, and can recharge in < 30 minutes, that seems perfectly adequate
for long trips.
ALSO needing BIG charge power at the truck stops is for the Electric
Semi trucks.
On 11/22/2022 2:07 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wro
IMHO...
EV's are not long distance vehiclesthey are commuter vehicles.
PV provides lots of peak power during the day, zero at night
It would be a good idea to promote EV charging with PV during the day.
Where are commuter vehicles during the day? Probably at work.
Seems that it would be comm
Jim, interesting short-sightedness.
Rate payers today enjoy the investments done with money from rate
payers of previous years, no?
Cor.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:05 PM jim--- via EV wrote:
>
> David said:
> > Good luck with that. Most of our "investor owned" utilities don't have a
> > good trac
David said:
> Good luck with that. Most of our "investor owned" utilities don't have a
> good track record of even keeping up with current maintenance, much less
> actually planning for the future.
For the most part, at least here in California, the investor owned utilities
largely are not all
Good luck with that. Most of our "investor owned" utilities don't have a
good track record of even keeping up with current maintenance, much less
actually planning for the future. Unless they can see a return from it this
quarter, they won't pay for it. If you want to see where that kind of s
Which problem can be mitigated by having more distributed power. Like a
Tesla Megapack at major truck stops.
On 11/21/2022 7:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Electric truck stops will need as much power as a small town
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/electric-truck-stops-will-need-as-muc
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