Hi Peri, Bill and All, I really don't see much problem as solar, CHP, CSP,
small wind will grow so fast on homes, buildings, businesses as so cheap at
$.05/kwh, it'll easily match EV demand.I have my first solar array, generator
as a carport, patio, shed, set to sell for under $1.50/wt before subsidies, is
under $.05/kwh. Others will follow as factory made systems take over and allow
renters to have solar and CHP, small wind.And demand in many places drop as
efficient products like heat pumps replace resistance heating.EVs themselves
will drop in weight, be more aero to cut costs and cut energy. A lot of people
are leaving cars for e mobility as roads are being made safer for them.Utility
solar, wind, CSP, pumped hydro, geo, river/tidal, bio/waste/synfuels will keep
growing.EVs with V2G will save the 100% RE grid as so dam many of them in 10
yrs as most of this will take to unfold, will solve the storage, on demand
power problem.For instance just US Tesla EV packs are over 200GWh, more than
all the grid battery storage in the world. With most EVs with V2G and most
vehicles EVs, there will not be a storage, on demand generation problem. I see
in 10 yrs the grid will be dominated by homes, buildings, businesses generating
RE and storing it in batteries, heat/cold storage along with EVs with V2G, the
grid storage, on demand generation because it costs a lot less, nicely
profitable.And as these take their rightful place, will squeeze out, stranding
FFs even faster as the energy, power moves back to the people.In different ways
Biden/dems IRA, Putin and OPEC+ have speeded this up 2-3 yrs.Happy Thanksgiving
everyone,Jerry Dycus
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 11:17:44 PM PST, Peri Hartman via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Bill, I don't have any axe to grind here, but the issue was about
providing power to charge long haul trucks. While I think your argument
works well for small trucks and domestic cars, I'd like to see what you
have to say about long haul trucks. I highly respect your points of
view.
Peri
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Bill Dube via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: "Bill Dube" <billd...@killacycle.com>
Sent: 23-Nov-22 14:55:48
Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
>No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need a few incentives and a little
>intelligence.
>
>There is a lot of misinformation about this, here on the EVDL even.
>
> >>>>>> Grid capacity problem ? >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> There is LOTS of power available on the grid, just not at the peak times
>of the day. No problem what-so-ever. EVs are _driven_ during the day, and are
>charged when they are parked, during the night. Provide an economic incentive
>to folks to change off peak and the grid capacity "problem" vanishes.
>
> >>>>>>>> Solar power is during the day, while you are at work. How do you
> >>>>>>>> charge from solar? <<<<
>
> It is a power grid. You put power in at one location, and you can take it
>out at another. This is what it does. Use it.
>
> If your home solar panels are providing surplus power to the grid, you can
>draw it out from a location other than your home to charge your EV. It is
>simply a matter of giving the grid operator incentive to take a reasonable fee
>for doing this. Legislation, financial incentive, public sentiment, etc. No
>brainer.
>
> >>>>>>> EV power is no different than washers, driers, stoves, electric heat,
> >>>>>>> etc. <<<<<<
>
> The grid has gone through decades of constant evolution. It has very
>nicely adapted and upgraded with the advent of air conditioning, electric
>heat, and power hungry home appliances.
>
> As EVs slowly ramp up in popularity, the grid operators will adapt. EVs
>and EV chargers can easily be quickly switched off and back on to "park shave"
>during periods of peak load. The grid operators simply have to decide on which
>of the many methods they want to use to talk to your EV or your charger, and
>offer you an incentive to participate.
>
>Bill D.
>
>
>
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