IMHO, battery power for long haul trucking is a piss poor application.  Local 
delivery, sure, but not long haul.

Electric trains would be a FAR better method for long haul transportation.  You 
could have two separate train tracks.  One for priority goods and passengers, 
and one for less time critical transportation.
The second option can be set up to only move the trains where there is a 
surplus of power from renewable sources, etc.

Not that I really expect this to happen, but it seems like a much better 
solution to me.


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November 24, 2022 12:17 AM, "Peri Hartman via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> Bill, I don't have any axe to grind here, but the issue was about providing 
> power to charge long
> haul trucks. While I think your argument works well for small trucks and 
> domestic cars, I'd like to
> see what you have to say about long haul trucks. I highly respect your points 
> of view.
> 
> Peri
> 
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> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Bill Dube via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "Bill Dube" <billd...@killacycle.com>
> Sent: 23-Nov-22 14:55:48
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
> 
>> No need upgrade the grid. None. Just need a few incentives and a little 
>> intelligence.
>> 
>> There is a lot of misinformation about this, here on the EVDL even.
>> 
>> Grid capacity problem ? >>>>>>>>>>>
>> 
>> There is LOTS of power available on the grid, just not at the peak times of 
>> the day. No problem
>> what-so-ever. EVs are _driven_ during the day, and are charged when they are 
>> parked, during the
>> night. Provide an economic incentive to folks to change off peak and the 
>> grid capacity "problem"
>> vanishes.
>> 
>> Solar power is during the day, while you are at work. How do you charge from 
>> solar? <<<<
>> 
>> It is a power grid. You put power in at one location, and you can take it 
>> out at another. This is
>> what it does. Use it.
>> 
>> If your home solar panels are providing surplus power to the grid, you can 
>> draw it out from a
>> location other than your home to charge your EV. It is simply a matter of 
>> giving the grid operator
>> incentive to take a reasonable fee for doing this. Legislation, financial 
>> incentive, public
>> sentiment, etc. No brainer.
>> 
>> EV power is no different than washers, driers, stoves, electric heat, etc. 
>> <<<<<<
>> 
>> The grid has gone through decades of constant evolution. It has very nicely 
>> adapted and upgraded
>> with the advent of air conditioning, electric heat, and power hungry home 
>> appliances.
>> 
>> As EVs slowly ramp up in popularity, the grid operators will adapt. EVs and 
>> EV chargers can easily
>> be quickly switched off and back on to "park shave" during periods of peak 
>> load. The grid operators
>> simply have to decide on which of the many methods they want to use to talk 
>> to your EV or your
>> charger, and offer you an incentive to participate.
>> 
>> Bill D.
>> 
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