Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] timekeeping and DNSSEC

2013-10-26 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 01:11:26PM +0100, Jim Reid wrote: > On 26 Oct 2013, at 12:59, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > > a serious vulnerability of, so called, DNSSEC is lack of secure time. > > some security novices innocently believed GPS time were automagically > > secure. > > That is, so far, the

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] DNS vulnerabilities

2013-10-26 Thread bmanning
its hard to distinguish an implementation error and a DNS protocol error, so yes, it might be a very good idea to triage your failures properly. /bill On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 01:28:10AM +0200, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Thanks for your message. > > > are your new collection, DNS v

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] DNS vulnerabilities

2013-10-26 Thread bmanning
are your new collection, DNS vulnerabilities, configuration mistakes, or implementation faults? /bill On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 01:16:29AM +0200, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > Hello, > > I have gathered some vulnerabilities in the current DNS security approaches > such as DNSSEC and etc. We think i

Re: [DNSOP] [I-D Action: draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt]

2012-02-25 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:33:05AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 07:12:56PM +, > bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote > a message of 49 lines which said: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > Tit

Re: [DNSOP] [rssac] [I-D Action: draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt]

2012-02-10 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:17:52PM -0800, Joe Abley wrote: > Hi Bill, > > On 2012-02-06, at 14:12, > wrote: > > > Thanks to Warren, Ed, John D., David C. and Kato-san for their > > comments/corrections. > > Any more? > > I see you added some text based on our conversation in sunny Christchu

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt

2012-02-06 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:52:12PM -0500, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:19 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > First off, this is an RSSAC document so it is not clear why you think > > someone from the root > > opserator community should do the copy editing. > > There is

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt

2012-02-06 Thread bmanning
Hello Paul. First off, this is an RSSAC document so it is not clear why you think someone from the root opserator community should do the copy editing. > The paragraph at the end of section 1 (the "isn't really 2119 language" text) > is quite cute and will cause you a world of pain and delay.

[DNSOP] [I-D Action: draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt]

2012-02-06 Thread bmanning
Thanks to Warren, Ed, John D., David C. and Kato-san for their comments/corrections. Any more? /bill From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:01:00 -0800 Subject: I-D Action: draft-rssac-dnsop-rfc2870bis-04.txt To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available fro

Re: [DNSOP] draft of RFC 2870-bis for consideration

2012-02-05 Thread bmanning
thanks! will fold in accordingly. /bill On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:40:49PM -0800, David Conrad wrote: > Bill, > > Comments/nits/etc. > > Regards, > -drc > > Last sentence of Abstract: > > "... zones may also find it useful." > > Might suggest "... zones may also find this document

Re: [DNSOP] draft of RFC 2870-bis for consideration

2012-02-05 Thread bmanning
will fold them in, thanks. /bill On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 11:34:06AM -0500, Warren Kumari wrote: > Nits and notes: > > Abstract: > O: The DNS is considered a crucial part of that technical infrastrcuture. > P: The DNS is considered a crucial part of that technical infrastructure. > C: s/infrast

Re: [DNSOP] draft of RFC 2870-bis for consideration

2012-02-03 Thread bmanning
thanks. will fold in your comments. /bill ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] draft of RFC 2870-bis for consideration

2012-02-01 Thread bmanning
The Root Server System Advisory Committee of ICANN has been working on a revision to RFC 2870. It is currently posted as: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Root Name Server Operational Requirements Author

Re: [DNSOP] Further observationon AS112 ipv4 cull

2011-07-28 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 02:11:41PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:08 PM, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, George Michaelson wrote: > > > >> I would support this latter approach William: I think we should seek WG > >> adoption of three drafts >

Re: [DNSOP] dns interface to whois? (Re: Taking Back the DNS )

2010-11-22 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:58:02PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:36:17 + > > From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > > > > we tried this a couple time last decade with limited success. (pre > > SRV). it would work, if and only if there were general agreement by > > the

Re: [DNSOP] dns interface to whois? (Re: Taking Back the DNS )

2010-11-22 Thread bmanning
we tried this a couple time last decade with limited success. (pre SRV). it would work, if and only if there were general agreement by the zone admins to actually keep up w/ the data. there was even an attempt to stuff rPKI data into the DNS (with DNSSEC) and Tony Bates even wrote up an ID on th

Re: [DNSOP] On resolver priming

2010-11-11 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 05:03:51AM -0500, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Hi all, > > The last discussion of signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET involved the arguments > that there's no real value in signing the zone and that there is a > non-zero cost to doing so. > > I agree with both of those arguments, but I w

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: I-D Action:draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-00.txt

2010-10-04 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:14:20AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2010-10-04, at 11:11, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > Carefully specified, perhaps, but what you're saying here also makes me > > think it was > > also incorrectly specified, since, as I said, the technique I described is > > well-kn

Re: [DNSOP] RFC4641bis - http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/svn/rfc4641bis/trunk/open-issues/trust_anchor_configuration

2010-07-08 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:39:33AM +0200, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > > I observe though that 4641 is mainly written from the perspective of a > 'zone-owner' and that I am not quite sure where to give specific advice to > administrators of recursive nameservers. > > So before text is drafted there is

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mekking-dnsop-auto-cpsync-00

2010-07-03 Thread bmanning
thanks for this. :) --bill On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 03:19:54PM +0200, Matthijs Mekking wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > FYI, > > I have submitted this draft on the topic of automatic update of DS (and > other records). > > Best regards, > > Matthijs Mekking > NLn

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones-13

2010-06-17 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:15:06PM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > (2) is covered in the IANA considerations section but while that section > refers to a formal policy it does not offer guidance for review. > We should capture the considerations from the most recent as well as > previous dis

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones-13

2010-06-14 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 07:51:14PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 12:12 PM +1000 6/15/10, Mark Andrews wrote: > >In message , Paul Hoffman writes: > >> At 4:23 PM -0400 6/11/10, Derek Diget wrote: > >> >Raising hand timidly > >> > >> In this group!? :-) > >> > >> >Instead of listing the zones

Re: [DNSOP] BIND use of compiled defaults

2010-06-07 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 02:52:01PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > The zones are consistant with RFC5735 and with operational practice. > > > So the question - how common do we expect /32 delegations to become in > > futur > > e? > > From IN-ADDR.ARPA or from some other zone to handle /25-/32 s

[DNSOP] BIND use of compiled defaults

2010-06-07 Thread bmanning
So ISC has allowed BIND to build with some default zones being created. I think this is - to coin a phrase - suboptimal and yet more code I have to rip out of the BIND distro... but that is not the point of this missive... :) I will use two of the automatically created zones to illistrate a p

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones and the former IP6.INT.

2010-04-06 Thread bmanning
as the admin for ip6.int. the IPv6 wg declared that ip6.int should be terminated on 6/6/06 - along with the 6bone. David Conrad removed the delegation shortly there after, even though there are still resolvers which look for that delegation instead of the ip6.arpa zone - which functions as i

Re: [DNSOP] Misguided IPv4-IPv6 DNS trickery

2010-04-01 Thread bmanning
one might actually extrapolate here (and maybe look back a couple decades) ... there used to be many different transports around - and about the timethe DNS "gel'ed", most had become vestigal. We are now in the evoultionary "fork in the road" when we have an emergent, new transport that demands

Re: [DNSOP] FYI: DNSOPS presentation

2010-04-01 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:26:53PM -0700, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > > > But Remi's point is that those same systems (running Windows XP > > and IE6) using 6rd will be denied the ability to access content > > via IPv6. Which removes an incentiv

Re: [DNSOP] Ugly DNS ack

2010-04-01 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 02:45:09PM -0700, Dan Wing wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > > > > > Any host that sends its queries over IPv4 would lose > > > IPv6 connectivity. > > > > Isn't this a misdirection? > > > > I suspect it's more like: any (address family agno

[DNSOP] [f...@cisco.com: RFC 5006 status]

2010-03-17 Thread bmanning
- Forwarded message from Fred Baker - This is a structured question for the community. Jari Arkko tells us that he is getting requests from various sources to take RFC 5006 to Proposed Standard. It is now experimental. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5006.txt 5006 IPv6 Router Advertisement

Re: [DNSOP] zone signing with or without parental buy-in

2010-03-07 Thread bmanning
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:43:36PM +, Jim Reid wrote: > On 7 Mar 2010, at 12:37, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > >ah come on Jim... folsk should sign their zones as soon > >as they see fit, regardless of parental buy in. > > Bill, IMO there's not much point in signing root-servers.ne

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-07 Thread bmanning
ah come on Jim... folsk should sign their zones as soon as they see fit, regardless of parental buy in. so the one true root or even .net being signed doesnt really matter if the root-servers.net zone gets signed tomorrow. how useful it will be, who knows... not sure how the value proposit

Re: [DNSOP] bar-bof - DSauto?

2010-03-04 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 08:11:13AM -0500, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 4:30 + 3/4/10, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > I'd like to suggest monday - 1500-1700 > > We can talk then, but the wheels were in motion to put it on > Wednesday. The reason for that was the crowd coming for

Re: [DNSOP] bar-bof - DSauto?

2010-03-03 Thread bmanning
> I'm on the verge of putting together a Bar BoF call on the IETF list. > There have been two work items I wanted to cover - EPPbis and the > issue of provisioning DS records. re: registries not at the IETF... if there is some general idea for collecting registry requirement

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:28:36AM +0100, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > > Antoin says: > So there's one more logical entity involved; most likely this way: > > jaap > ___ did i miss something? Antoin sez that where? --bill __

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-02 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 01:40:53PM +1300, Jay Daley wrote: > > there is a problem w/ cut/paste ... surely we could do better than that? > > I'm sure we could and an automated update of DS records is a good idea. But > my point is that in the absence of a similar automated mechanism for NS >

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-02 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 08:05:38PM +, Alex Bligh wrote: > Ed, > > --On 2 March 2010 14:39:45 -0500 Edward Lewis wrote: > > >Telling someone one to change the name server from "ns1.example.tld." to > >"newdns.example." or "127.0.10.2 to 192.0.2.3" is easier than saying > >change something fro

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-02 Thread bmanning
> > That I don't. Currently the registrant's DNS provider tells them "cut and > paste this blob from here into the field marked 'nameservers' in your > registrar's interface" and to that they will add "cut and paste this blob > from here into the field marked 'DS record' in your registrar's in

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-02 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:04:46AM +0100, Wolfgang Nagele wrote: > Hi, > > > granted that this discussion is important and folks > > interested in this might be at the IETF77, could we > > either have a bof (formal) or a small lunch mtg > > during the week of IETF77? > > > >

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-01 Thread bmanning
granted that this discussion is important and folks interested in this might be at the IETF77, could we either have a bof (formal) or a small lunch mtg during the week of IETF77? I'd be glad to attend. --bill On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12:48AM +0100, Wo

[DNSOP] Hues

2010-02-23 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 07:09:12AM -0800, Todd Glassey wrote: > > > As I have said, there is no difference between this and the Jim Crow > actions which separated blacks from the white population in then US and > the application of the concept of racially unfit parties as Trolls > within the IET

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-01-28 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 08:00:17PM -0500, Matt Larson wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Alex Bligh wrote: > >> I meant computational resource requirements resultant from crypto > >> operations, not algorithmic complexity. > > > > I had no problems doing this

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: ZSK-roll-frequency

2010-01-28 Thread bmanning
thanks paul. > > That might be draft-hoffman-dnssec-ecdsa. I let it expire earlier this month > because the DNSEXT WG is still not clear on the allowable statuses for crypto > documents, but have today revived it based on your comment. > > If you don't consider this to be "a good dr

Re: [DNSOP] Priming query transport selection

2010-01-14 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 09:53:16PM +, Jim Reid wrote: > On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:35, Alex Bligh wrote: > > >You've eliminated TCP fallback for non-DNSSEC supporting clients. > > So add that to the list: > [6] TCP (no EDNS0) if [5] fails. > dnssec is just the first extention to re

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2671

2009-12-23 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 01:46:58PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > >There has been some discussion of late about DNS MTU sizing and EDNS0 > >"fall-back". > >I've found another "culprit" in the program DNSMASQ - distributed with > >Fedora

[DNSOP] RFC 2671

2009-12-23 Thread bmanning
There has been some discussion of late about DNS MTU sizing and EDNS0 "fall-back". I've found another "culprit" in the program DNSMASQ - distributed with FedoraCore 10 and later versions of RedHat. to wit: -P, --edns-packet-max= Specify the largest EDNS.0 UDP packet which

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread bmanning
Well - her name was attached to the article, so I didn't think it was inappropriate to mention gender. And no, shes not the first journalist to mangle words or misunderstand, or misrepresent. --bill On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 08:56:07PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: > Bill Manning wrote: > > >

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread bmanning
cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. --bill On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:58:41PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: > Interesting News! > > There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just > forgot to mention > > > In a press article [1] entitled > "Root z

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:09:53AM -0800, Nicholas Weaver wrote: > Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root > zone response will be? > > I'm assuming its below the magic 1500B level for standard queries. Is > this correct? > > Oh, and one thing to watch out for:

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-22 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 08:32:49AM +0100, ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: > > Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol > > works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA > > before running the protocol. > > Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned.

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-20 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 07:38:19PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2009-10-20, at 19:29, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >>ARPA will soon be signed, so I don't think this is much to worry > >>about. If the powers that be finally agree to make NXDOMAIN/NODATA > >>synthesis the default in the upcoming mino

[DNSOP] RSST study is out

2009-09-21 Thread bmanning
http://www.icann.org/en/committees/dns-root/root-scaling-study-report-31aug09-en.pdf --bill ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Key Management and Provisioningl was Re: .PR ...

2009-09-08 Thread bmanning
a few of us actually did a little work in this area three or four years ago - did working proof of concepts - and were promptly ignored. (the claim was - this work was premature) --bill On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 01:23:51PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 13:13 -0400 9/8/09, Paul Wouters wrote: >

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cache problem in stub resolver(DNS client)

2009-08-31 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:49:50PM +0530, venkatesh.bs wrote: > Hi all, > I have one query regarding DNS cache maintaince in dns stub resolver(DNS > client Not server side cache maintainence), Whether DNS Cache should be > based on per server address or based on FQDN only. > > > >>1. Query

Re: [DNSOP] new Questions...

2009-08-26 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 07:44:43AM -0700, Todd Glassey wrote: > Since the Internet is formally listed as a component of US Critical > Infrastructure - I want to know the specific provisioning requirements > for operating a root server. Anyone got a pointer to these? > > Todd Glassey > __

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 01:37:32PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25-Aug-2009, at 13:13, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > >>If there's no practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not do > >>it. > >>Rolling keys is a pain. > >> > >>If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys,

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread bmanning
> > If there's no practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not do it. > Rolling keys is a pain. > > If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not > infer any trust at all from old keys. > > Joe please help me understand "practical motivation"? --bill _

Re: [DNSOP] query regarding DNS Cache in resolver.

2009-07-27 Thread bmanning
class is not always IN. --bill On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:42:03AM +0530, venkatesh.bs wrote: > Thanks olufur, > > Is anywhere in RFC they have mentioned about DNS cache can be based on > FQDN, QUERY TYPE (we are ignoring the class as it is always INTERNET(IN)). > > Thanks & Regards, > venka

Re: [DNSOP] [dnssec-deployment] Problems with DS change in registry/registrar environment

2009-06-30 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:33:15AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Patrik Fdltstrvm wrote: > > >A.3. Have the registry remove DS implicitly if domain is transferred to > >registrar that does NOT handle DNSSEC. > > > >My suggestion is that we look carefully on option A.3. This do

Re: [DNSOP] comments about draft-morris-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing

2009-05-19 Thread bmanning
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:38:01PM +0100, John Dickinson wrote: > Sz sez... > > > >Please don't change this. Making finer distinctions in one document, > >clearly defined, is one thing. But please don't try to change > >terminology we're finally starting to get people to use; it's been > >(and cont

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC: DNSSEC Trust Anchor Configuration and Maintenance

2009-05-12 Thread bmanning
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 04:28:01PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2009, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > >>Section 3: "Priming can occur when the validating resolver starts, but a > >>validating resolver SHOULD defer priming of individual trust anchors > >>until each is first needed fo

Re: [DNSOP] dns data exchanged between host and local dns-sever

2009-04-30 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 02:15:48PM +0800, madi wrote: > Hi, Stephane. > > To give a countermeasure, the response from a recursive sever might as well > be cached in form of both plaintext and ciphertext which is generated by the > very recursive server. Thatbcursive server and authoritative nam

Re: [DNSOP] Key sizes

2009-04-24 Thread bmanning
Yo Joe, many moons back, it was pointed out to me by some cryto folks that there is an interesting relationship btwn key length and signature duration. One could make the argument that for persistent delegations, you might want to ensure longer length keys and possibly longer duration

Re: [DNSOP] dns data exchanged between host and local dns-sever

2009-04-23 Thread bmanning
locus of control. centralization of resource control. lack of autonomy in an end-to-end system. trust anchor placement is "just another brick in the wall" here. but i have now dragged out my soapbox and i'm pretty sure this is not speakers corner... so i'll shut up and go back in the w

Re: [DNSOP] dns data exchanged between host and local dns-sever

2009-04-23 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:52:37PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 8:43 -0700 4/23/09, David Conrad wrote: > > >root servers). However the point is that you need to do the validation > >someplace you can talk securely to. The easiest answer is to simply do the > >validation on the same host. > >

Re: [DNSOP] dns data exchanged between host and local dns-sever

2009-04-23 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 06:32:38PM +0800, i),h?* wrote: > Hi, folks. > > As we all know, DNSSEC provides origin authentication and integrity assurance > services for DNS data exchanged between DNS resolver and name-sever, while > DNSSEC fails to give a means by which the DNS queries or response

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-10 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 04:19:03PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 13:04 -0700 4/10/09, SM wrote: > > >This message ( > >http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg00944.html > >) and some other messages on the ietf-smtp mailing list could be > >read as a lack of support fo

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-10 Thread bmanning
I really like the Shoup paper. But I've not seen too many implementations in the wild. :) --bill On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:49:55PM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote: > Hi Alfred - > > A better scheme for threshold signing for the root might be the Shoup paper: > "Practical Threshold Signature

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-10 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:27:21AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 01:04:42PM -0400, > Andrew Sullivan wrote > a message of 59 lines which said: > > > John's view is that the original "alphabetic restriction" in 1123 > > was indeed intended as a restriction, > > I

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:55:51PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message , David Blacka > wr > ites: > > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > > On a related issue DS -> DNSKEY translations cannot be > > > performed until the DNSKEY is published in the zone. The

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-09 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 08:35:40AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <200903091515.n29ffetp055...@stora.ogud.com>, Olafur Gudmundsson > wri > tes: > > --===0733757033== > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="=_777355448==.ALT" > > > > -

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread bmanning
na... the ^B. is for the visually impared. the DNS can talk! (and it does meet your "explict directionality" concern.) actually, I have a fundamental disagreement w/ your logic. I think that your general rule of "only add if proven to create no harm" or infering "dangerous" - are on the sl

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread bmanning
does this mean my chances for ^B. are nil? :) --bill On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Patrik Fdltstrvm wrote: > On 6 mar 2009, at 21.54, Edward Lewis wrote: > > >And, from what I have heard, I believe "display issues" is at the > >heart of the problem. > > > >I'm sure Patrik is ac

Re: [DNSOP] Potential root impact of draft-wing-behave-learn-prefix-00

2008-11-20 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:14:45PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > I came across the following in some IPv6-related draft and thought I'd > share it. > > |3.1. Using DNS to Learn IPv6 Prefix and Length > | > | In order for an IPv6 host to determine if a NAT64 is present on its > | network, it

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread bmanning
any KSK can be used as a TA. there is no way to know - unambigiously - that any given KSK is not being used as a TA in some validator. however, your assertion that at KSK should -never- be rolled unless compromise is known or strongly suspected is -BAD- from an operational and liklely from a

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread bmanning
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 09:14:38PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > In the last paragraph of 3.1.1, change: >These >can include the registry of the parent zone or administrators of >verifying resolvers that have the particular key configured as secure >entry points. > to: >If there

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-28 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:23:53AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > - The parent is already trusted with DNSSEC tools, since the parent is > > > signing the parent's zone (including the DS record!) > > > > assuming facts not in evidence. there is active discussion > > about having uns

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-28 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:04:15AM -0400, Brian Dickson wrote: > > The DS may be provided by the operator of the subordinate zone, or built > by the parent operator, > most likely the latter. thats an interesting premise. why do you think this will be the case?

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-28 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56:09AM -0400, Brian Dickson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:04:15AM -0400, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > >>The DS may be provided by the operator of the subordinate zone, or built > >>by the parent operator, > >>most likely the latter. > >

Re: [DNSOP] Public Suffix List - Please move discussion to dnsop

2008-06-11 Thread bmanning
> > http://publicsuffix/learn/ has more info (and I've just checked in > another update, which should be visible in the next day or so. There's a > human in the update loop). > > Gerv > ___ that URL does not resolve in the way you might

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs

2008-04-04 Thread bmanning
> > Mark made the claim that a local copy of the root would stop the > > traffic, which is false. a local copy of the root simply diffuses > > the traffic. > > > > the down sides to local copies of the root as seen from the > > peanut gallery: > > > > ) coherence of the a

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs

2008-04-04 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 07:37:31AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 02:16:32PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > >>> er, it (the bogus ttraffic) still reaches the root. > >>> just your copy of the root, not mine. > >>Yep.

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs

2008-04-03 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:05:25AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > There really is only one solution to preventing "bogus" > traffic reaching the root servers and that is to run a local > copy of the root zone. er, it (the bogus ttraffic) still reaches the root. j

Re: [DNSOP] Localhost entries in zones

2008-04-03 Thread bmanning
still do... both localhost. 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. ::1.ip6.arpa. # # yeah yeah... shoot me --bill On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:48:45AM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 12:19 +0200 4/3/08, Antoin Verschuren wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I may have missed this, but I'd like to h

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC: "Considerations for the use of DNS Reverse Mapping"

2008-03-31 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 06:34:38AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Multiple PTR records do not scale. what does that mean Mark? why does "Multiple A records" scale and not others? is this a DNS protocol issue or an implementation artifact? > Today we

Re: [DNSOP] WGLC: "Considerations for the use of DNS Reverse Mapping"

2008-03-29 Thread bmanning
I'm going to ask this question here too.. are we talking about the DNS or are we talking about an applications use of data published in the DNS? i see this draft in the context of the historical DNS ... it is a mapping service, a name to an address AND an address to a name. the mapping service

[DNSOP] Re: [dns-wg] Re: [apnic-talk] AAAA records to be added for root servers

2008-01-07 Thread bmanning
perhaps your answer can be found in the first line of Barbaras message. let me quote it: "> On 4 February 2008, IANA will add records for the IPv6 addresses > of the four root servers whose operators have requested it. " for the four root servers whose operators have REQUESTED it. (e

Re: [DNSOP] draft-licanhuang-dnsop-urnresolution-00

2007-12-06 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:39:33AM +, Lican Huang wrote: > 2^128 addresses may be not used all. But I am doubtful of " A more > realistic estimate of address usage would be 100 * earth's population. " . > There are many public equipments with IP addresses in the future, may be in > the st

Re: [DNSOP] draft-licanhuang-dnsop-urnresolution-00

2007-12-06 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:22:04PM +, Lican Huang wrote: > My draft is about to handle possible problems when huge amount of domain > names when Internet is in Ipv6 stage. Because of unlimited amount of Ipv6 > addresses, unlimited amount of hosts ( servers, PC, even mobile phones, e

Re: [DNSOP] draft-licanhuang-dnsop-urnresolution-00

2007-12-04 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 02:10:52AM +, Lican Huang wrote: > If SEARCH outside DNS were full power, then DNS would disappear soon. And > all DNS registrar companies would broken out. perhaps you are right. at this point we don't have enough data. > What is the difference between

Re: [DNSOP] draft-licanhuang-dnsop-urnresolution-00

2007-12-03 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:27:06AM +, Lican Huang wrote: > When Ipv4 addresses will be Exhausted in the near future and the next > generation Intenert( Ipv6) will take over, DNS names will also be exhausted > soon with the increase of hosts and users. Lenny Foner has pointed > other d

Re: B-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs]

2007-11-28 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 05:28:47PM +0100, bert hubert wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 04:22:41PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The increase in traffic might easily be due to more favourable > > > connectivity > > > to 'B', which would lead many resolver implementations to shift more > >

Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs]

2007-11-28 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 05:15:59PM +0100, bert hubert wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 04:07:59PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > and perhaps more interesting, the old address for "B" > > showed a tapering off of traffic and then an INCREASE > > last year. Old L and J got their nu

Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs]

2007-11-28 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:58:17AM -0500, Matt Larson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Peter Koch wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 02:35:29PM -0800, John Crain wrote: > > > > > Currently about 60% New IP to 40% old IP... and rising slowly > > > > > > So clearly a lot of folks still need to up date

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 LOA?

2007-11-28 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:15:51AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 27-Nov-2007, at 10:23, Paul Vixie wrote: > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Warren Kumari) writes: > > > >>... What do people think about setting up a legal entity called RSTOA > >>that would then perform some very simple checks before handin

Re: [DNSOP] Always registering the IP address of the name servers during a delegation?

2007-11-27 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:03:59PM -0800, David Conrad wrote: > Bill, > > > i have a zone, example.org and chose the following > > nameservers: > > > > moe.rice.edu > > ns.isi.edu > > PDC.example.org > > > > as the admin of PDC.example.org, I know what IP addresses > > are assigned and can chang

Re: [DNSOP] Always registering the IP address of the name servers during a delegation?

2007-11-27 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 04:19:50PM -0500, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 8:57 PM + 11/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > as the admin of PDC.example.org ... however, it is > > the Height of Arrogance to presume I can tell the rice.edu > > or isi.edu people what IP addresses to use on

Re: [DNSOP] Always registering the IP address of the name servers during a delegation?

2007-11-27 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 02:05:55PM -0500, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 6:25 PM + 11/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > then we have a small issue... you as zone admin, can't > > dictate which IP's i must use on my machines, since you don't > > control my connectivity. as zone admi

Re: [DNSOP] Always registering the IP address of the name servers during a delegation?

2007-11-27 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:18:04PM -0500, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 5:59 PM + 11/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > so WHO is the "owner" of that IP data, the zone admin > > for "example.org" or the machine admin for "ns1.example.org"? > > The zone admin for sure. It is the registr

Re: [DNSOP] Always registering the IP address of the name servers during a delegation?

2007-11-27 Thread bmanning
> Note that in a registry, there's an ordering problem, too. Consider > this case > > 1. Register example.org with some name servers. > > 2. Register ns1.example.org. It's not yet a name server, so you > don't need an IP address, because no glue is strictly needed. > > 3. Update example

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 LOA?

2007-11-26 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:26:00PM -0500, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > > > > > >I don't have strong feelings about whether the "LOA in an RFC" idea > >is plausible, or even good, but I thought I'd throw it out anyway. > >If there was consensus that

[DNSOP] Re: [dns-wg] DNS test protocol

2007-11-13 Thread bmanning
I presume you have been using the tahi testsuite and are wanting something -different-? http://www.tahi.org/dns/ --bill On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:27:31AM +0100, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: > Hi, > > .SE is currently performing DNS tests of consumer broadband routers as > we have had problems wi

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