Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:41:28 +0200 Erwan David
napísal:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H
> said:
> > The behavior of the boot messages hasn't changed for me and
> > according to the systemd man pages it shouldn't. So your setup must
> > be different.
>
> I did not change
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H said:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl
> > said:
> >> Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
> >>> Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
> Am 22.07.2014
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl
> said:
>> Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
>>> Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
> As far as I can see, there
Le 22/07/2014 17:56, Erwan David a écrit :
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong said:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
>>> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
>>> which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl said:
> Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
> > Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
> >> Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
> >>
> >>> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
> >>> without al
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
> Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
>> Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
>>
>>> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
>>> without also getting kernel log messages
>> Of course there is.
>>
>> Might help if
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which
>>> does not mean same thing when using systemd or using init.
>>>
>>> I
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
> Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
>
>> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
>> without also getting kernel log messages
> Of course there is.
>
> Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?
>
>
Le 22/07/2014 18:24, The Wanderer a écrit :
> On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong
> > said:
>
> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
> >>
> >>> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command
> >>> line whi
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
> As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
> without also getting kernel log messages
Of course there is.
Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?
The systemd.* specific flags override the global quiet fla
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On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong
> said:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
>>
>>> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command
>>> line which seems
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong said:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
> > I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
> > which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ?
> > Or did rather change grub semantics ?
>
>
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
> I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
> which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ?
> Or did rather change grub semantics ?
It's the default in Debian. Edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet from
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On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David
> wrote:
>> So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which
>> does not mean same thing when using systemd or using init.
>>
>> I do not want ful
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
> Booting is fast
Th
Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit :
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
Booting is fast
>>> That's one of the development goals.
>> I switched today, and for me b
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:23:36 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote:
> > My main problems on Sid with systemd:
> >
> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails
> > completely, this is very annoying
>
> I used to have this due to NFS mounts
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>>> 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
>>> ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
>>> read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
>>> defines a full fledge
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>
> libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)...
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
>>>
>>> Booting is fast
>>
>> That's one of the development goals.
>
> I switched today, and for me booting is slow, much slowzer than b
green wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500:
You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
upstart anyway).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption
Also Gentoo (according to the
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500:
> You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
> switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
> upstart anyway).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption
Also Gentoo (according to the arti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:15:42PM CEST, Zenaan Harkness
said:
> On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
> >> > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
> >> > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
> >> > read this. The namles of the sections are
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
>> > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
>> > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
>> > read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
>> > defines a full fledge langaue, and I did
On 2014-07-21 10:18 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> I switched today, and for me booting is slow, much slowzer than before.
Run "systemd-analyze time" to see how long the boot actually took and
"systemd-analyze blame" to see which units took the most time.
> And booting is silent : almost no informa
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:49:11AM CEST, Zenaan Harkness
said:
> On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails
> >> > c
>
>
> > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
> > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
> > read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
> > defines a full fledge langaue, and I did not find any comprehensive do
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
>>
>>
>> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails
>> > completely,
>> > this is very annoying
>>
>> On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice"
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:08:31AM CEST, Tom H said:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
> > napísal:
> >> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> >>
> >>> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
> >
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>> On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>>> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
>>> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they u
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
>
>
> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
> > this is very annoying
>
> On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice" units and I (and many others) had a
> probl
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
> napísal:
>> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>>
>>> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
>>
>> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
> 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
> this is very annoying
On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice" units and I (and many others) had a
problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking a long time
to s
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
> 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
> ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
> read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
> defines a full fledge langaue, and I did not find an
Am 20.07.2014 16:47, schrieb Erwan David:
> Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>>
>> You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
>> switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
>> upstart anyway).
> RHEL 7 does not use systemd as far
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:49:14 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Now that systemd is presented as being compulsory it is natural that
>From a little earlier in this subthread:
https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no
Nothing about "compulsory" there.
> developers use it. The biggest mi
Le 20/07/2014 16:09, Joe a écrit :
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
> Slavko wrote:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
>> napísal:
>>
>>> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
>>> for having chosen to implement the functionality whi
Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
>> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
>> specific language mre complicated to understand thant
On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>
> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
> specific language mre complicated to understand thant shell scripts,
You must be confusing systemd u
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
> napísal:
>
> > It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
> > for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
> > programs (in this case,
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On 07/20/2014 08:32 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
>> for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
>> progra
Le 20/07/2014 13:56, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
>> Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
>> daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
>> qualitative differences.
>>
>> I didn't mention any of
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault for
> having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside programs
> (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as part of
> something not independent from
On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote:
> My main problems on Sid with systemd:
>
> 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
> this is very annoying
I used to have this due to NFS mounts and Network Manager (#746358),
fixed in initscripts 2.88dsf-55.2. Could
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:11:47PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
> times...
Wow! and here's me thinking he clearly explained the issue(s) to you!
I remember a rant by Billy Connelly where the gist goes like this:
He picked up a
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
> daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
> qualitative differences.
>
> I didn't mention any of the non-daemon tools provided by the systemd
> pa
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
napísal:
> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
> for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
> programs (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as
> part of something not i
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
napísal:
> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
>
> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
> consolekit which is unmaintained.
>
> > Tr
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:06:57, Tom H wrote:
>
> If he didn't improve sysvinit to deal with the early boot problem that
> he identifies here, he must've either thought that it wasn't possible
> to fix the sysvinit code or that he didn't have the time to dedicate
> to doing so.
Just to provide concret
On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> policykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd and libsystemd-login0.
>
> But here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/policykit-1 can see:
>
> [not kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386]
>
> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
The alternat
My main problems on Sid with systemd:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
this is very annoying
2 switching to a console takes 10 seconds until the prompt
3 my X-session is under Ctrl+Alt+F2 not F7
Booting is fast
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On 07/07/2014 03:48 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 06 iul 14, 11:15:14, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> (As far as I can tell, logind itself exists only as the binary
>> 'systemd-logind', which is packaged as part of the systemd package
>> rather tha
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On 07/19/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 07:49:37, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Which points out a large part of the problem, right there: most
>> Gnome programs do not themselves need to interact with systemd
>> itself (or any
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit :
>>
>> I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
>> list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
>> is no "real need".
>
> Explain why systemd is needed for
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:00 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my
> mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as:
>
> "No functionality which anything not part of the init system might
> legitimately want to depend on should be im
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend
>> systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart,
>
> This is quite easily explained by the fact that
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200 Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>>> The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system
>>> was working just fine.
>>
>> They should read the mail[1] by o
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 17:43:12 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a ??crit :
> > I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
> > list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
> > is no "real need".
>
> Explain why systemd is nee
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 08:00:20 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/19/2014 07:28 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
> > reply anyway.
> >
> > On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >> And although his email doesn't talk
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 13:11:47 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
> times...
>
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:28:55 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
> > reply anyway
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:09:06 +0100 Brad Rogers
napísal:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:43:12 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
> Hello Erwan,
>
> >Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer
> >will
>
> It isn't. That is to say, hplip does not depend on systemd
> directly
LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
times...
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:28:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
> reply anyway.
>
> On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2
Brad Rogers writes:
> ...packages hplip depends on may require systemd, IDK.
That's a bug, either in hplip or in said package.
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:43:12 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
Hello Erwan,
>Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer will
It isn't. That is to say, hplip does not depend on systemd directly. I
didn't check recursively, so packages hplip depends on may require
systemd, IDK.
Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit :
> I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
> list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
> is no "real need".
Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer will
stop working on freeBSD ?
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 08:00:20, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my
> mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as:
>
> "No functionality which anything not part of the init system might
> legitimately want to depend on should be implem
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 07:49:37, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> Which points out a large part of the problem, right there: most Gnome
> programs do not themselves need to interact with systemd itself (or any
> component thereof), but due to the dependency chain passing through
> Gnome, installing one of those
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On 07/19/2014 07:28 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
> reply anyway.
>
> On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
>> And although his email doesn't talk about user space *applicat
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On 07/19/2014 07:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>>
>>> I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you
>>> could list these pac
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 12:59:46, Sven Joachim wrote:
> Now, why did Debian not switch
> to upstart back then? There are likely several reasons for this, and
> answering that question will be an interesting case study. The one
> thing that put *me* off from giving upstart a try is the conflict with
> s
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
reply anyway.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200
> Sven Joachim wrote:
> >
> > They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states
> > that it was (and is) _not_ "
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
> > list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is
> > no "real need".
>
> Here is a fairly nai
On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
> And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend
> systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart,
This is quite easily explained by the fact that his mail predates the
first systemd release by seven months.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
> > Frank McCormick wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> [snip]
> >> It would be interesting to read Linus's c
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200
Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system
> > was working just fine.
>
> They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states
> that it was (and i
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
Frank McCormick wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip]
It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on
MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?
As I remember, a
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
> list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is
> no "real need".
Here is a fairly naive list of packages which have a hard dependency on
package
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:19:21 -0400 The Wanderer
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> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> > napísal:
> >
> >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depe
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On 07/18/2014 02:51 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> I think (not having done the research to verify this) that the idea
>> is that some - many? - packages need PAM, and depend (perhaps
>> indirectly)
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On 07/18/2014 02:26 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
>
>> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
>>> If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill
>>> bugreport about unneeded depe
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > D??a Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> > nap??sal:
> >
> >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
> >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, o
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> >
> > napísal:
> >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
> >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often w
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> >
> > napísal:
> >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
> >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often w
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On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
> napísal:
>
>> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
>> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need...
>
>
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David
napísal:
> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need...
If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill bugreport
about unneeded dependency against th
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 18:10:58 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a ??crit :
> > On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
> >> itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
> >>
> >
On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
> The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system was
> working just fine.
They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states that
it was (and is) _not_ "working just fine", and that a replacement has
long been over
Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a écrit :
> On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
>> itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
>>
>> All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
> itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
>
> All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim
> and Emacs are both excellent, but if we
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:37:18 -0400
songbird wrote:
> my own experience, after reading all the
> words from those for and against it is
> seeing the actual code working.
>
> this past week it came through Debian
> testing and installed just fine, i've had
> zero issues with it so far.
>
>
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 02:14:24AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
'service' also has tab completion. Not sure if this is because I have
bash-completion installed, but it's too late for me to check.
Yes, you need bash-completion installed and activated in
/etc/bash.bashrc. It is not activated by
On 2014-07-18, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I personally find "programmable completion" (which I think is what we're
> talking about here) annoying in various ways, to the point where I
> disable or remove it whenever I find it active. I'd be irritated by
> anything which makes living without it harder
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:14:24 +0300, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
>
> On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>>
>> I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
>> service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is graylist
>> or graylistd or greylist or g
my own experience, after reading all the
words from those for and against it is
seeing the actual code working.
this past week it came through Debian
testing and installed just fine, i've had
zero issues with it so far.
in fact the boot time is faster and the
shutdown is also faster.
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On 07/17/2014 07:14 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>>
>> I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
>> service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is
>> graylist
On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>
> I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
> service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is graylist
> or graylistd or greylist or greylistd.
'service' also has tab completion. Not sure if this is be
On Tue 15 Jul 2014 at 14:26:45 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> On 07/15/2014 01:30 PM, russ wrote:
> >Here's a link to a discussion between Linus and Tanenbaum.
> >
> >http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html
>
> Interesting but I wonder just how much of it is relevant today ?
Non
On 07/15/2014 01:30 PM, russ wrote:
On 07/15/2014 11:32 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma wrote:
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
On 07/15/2014 11:32 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma wrote:
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told
On 2014-07-15, Frank McCormick wrote:
>
> It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on
> MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate
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