-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 07/18/2014 02:51 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> I think (not having done the research to verify this) that the idea >> is that some - many? - packages need PAM, and depend (perhaps >> indirectly) on an appropriate package for that, but that package >> now depends (perhaps indirectly) on libpam-systemd, which depends >> on 'systemd-sysv | systemd-shim', which results in systemd-sysv >> getting installed without notice, even though the original package >> didn't need systemd in the first place. >> >> The only ways I can see to break this dependency would be to either >> pull the needed functionality out of systemd (which apparently is >> considered hard enough to not be worth doing, at least by the >> systemd upstream) or reverse the order of that '|' dependency, >> which I believe has been rejected on the not unreasonable grounds >> that it would result in not installing systemd even for people who >> *don't* care about having it. (As well as on the grounds that >> systemd-shim won't continue to provide the needed functionality for >> newer systemd versions, unless people update it in ways that >> haven't happened yet.) > > The objection to 'systemd-shim | systemd-sysv' was on the more > objective grounds that systemd-sysv provides the *default* init > system. I see that as the reason why "people who don't care which one they have won't get systemd" would be considered a problem, not as a separate grounds of its own. > It remains to be seen whether systemd-shim is a dead-end. Apparently it *has* gotten some form of the needed updates, there's just some packaging snafu resulting in the updated version's being delayed. With any luck, that should be resolved soon. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTyXLjAAoJEASpNY00KDJr+PMP+wTzNS19SIssApTPjY4BJi4o aOm7HwICq5BaRww7t2ILVsQXskColI4dQmOjLKcZheMPI7kc9CJq/wRA/bxnvgOJ 6mA8g73W401bvgb7Wrb+kYksWK4HUCB7WVH2Pp+5YeD3BxE/bG1mwA8H4I2lTIwp xaI8fpOc17RTZl82NPMWUR7wY0vK2Dn+D3OLfcSabuh5OrFbEu3u5J47gGuVhfSi M6GFqTFLTNfnsNgym7Ea5vkGOQFs3wlm+FpY322srMPWL49SjCrTExsbVgP0kl1a Ucen70aH2Ow41Y87UVHG51icNo9WosoovEj8WO4tPyPpbLzn7O6scMbPYBTEqBHq PmfOqCxNRysqEPX0Lw+HNAdjRjHbi9zRmwW0QXVg0ZhY4UcovJ+9iS4xJpW6MRoW QRFEkyXweULkRc5jL4nO/fIm5bB98ZzmY7S7ofTU6vOQkiohf2Vp9PH0Cz+XgoVO aVmRl87/YQ5zqXS4smTgY9/Y40oCyhGNatumgHAisQEnCcbo1TJIV8gT03tjfu9/ rXYEejYqoVqP+oZIjflBQZDy1eZnz7NGx97V4Z9qYeJVFHNuhMwWHNemRTTl+Mqw y78rK2echmlpWIfxOuD6tH86EBTg8j9Q9jenXwzmP+zCC57mLUQojuh3EvGIuzTc 3h9lY4iI95Ks80wL5AAa =PJmc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c972e3.8070...@fastmail.fm
