Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer: > On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David <[email protected]> > > > > napísal: > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends > >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need... > > > > If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill bugreport > > about unneeded dependency against this (these) package(s). > > I think (not having done the research to verify this) that the idea is > that some - many? - packages need PAM, and depend (perhaps indirectly) > on an appropriate package for that, but that package now depends > (perhaps indirectly) on libpam-systemd, which depends on 'systemd-sysv | > systemd-shim', which results in systemd-sysv getting installed without > notice, even though the original package didn't need systemd in the > first place.
Currently upgrading systemd from 204 to recent version in unstable 208 causes sysvinit-core to be removed. See: Needs to be updated for the single cgroup manager changes in systemd v205 https://bugs.debian.org/752939 I am not comfortable with the upload of systemd 208 as I do not want to deinstall sysvinit-core at the moment, but rather use init=/bin/systemd and be able to switch back to /sbin/init in case of boot troubles or so. After decision making has taken a long time, it feels a bit rushed to me. But well… freeze is not that far away. The single cgroup stuff also is in Linux kernel already and the older mutiple hierarchy cgroup setup will likely be deprecated. My gut feeling it that I would like cgroup handling separate, but on the other hand its the mechanism systemd uses to monitor service / process status and I think I read someone I think on the blog from Lennart, that its not safe do the cgroup handling in anything else than PID 1 then. Sometimes I just wonder about: merkaba:~> ls -l /sbin/init -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40552 Jun 8 01:32 /sbin/init merkaba:~> ls -l /bin/systemd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 28 13:28 /bin/systemd -> /lib/systemd/systemd merkaba:~> ls -l /lib/systemd/systemd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1031520 Jun 28 13:28 /lib/systemd/systemd PID 1 is crucial in an Linux system. If it crashes there will be lots of trouble. Thats why I tend to think: Small is beautiful here. A about 1 MiB binary is not small for me for the tasks I think a PID 1 is supposed to handle. But that said: systemd PID 1 process never ever crashed here. Not even in earlier (44) versions. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1436453.Ai0hQW8YeN@merkaba
