Re: two minor problems w/ Manoj's proposal

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ould use the BTS. manoj -- "Freedom" has no meaning of itself. There are always restrictions, be they legal, genetic, or physical. If you don't believe me, try to chew a radio signal. Kelvin Throop III Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
am> I think all it means is that a debian developer simply states, Adam> in relation to an issue, in an email to the Policy group, "I Adam> formally object to this amendment." Correct. manoj -- Bore, n.: A guy who wraps up a two-minute idea in a two-hour v

Re: PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
n a light bulb? A: Three. One to screw in the lightbulb and two to fend off all those Californians trying to share the experience. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> How about this: If four or more developers call for a hold on >> the proposal, and move to send the proposal to the larger developer >>

Re: PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e it into stone. manoj -- He that loses hope may part with anything. -- Congreve Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Umm, how does the tech committee figure in this? I meant to >> say that say, some one proposes an amendment. After discussion, >> people

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> However, I do not think that standards documents (and >> possibly other categories [personal opinions come to mind]) benefit >> fr

Re: A proposal to revive the Policy document

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e to be coming down with flu, or something, so my presence maybe spotty the next couple of days -- It is a city built of bones, and daubed with flesh and blood, in which old age and death, pride and hypocrisy are the inhabitants. 150 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.c

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
original Adam> in any way. Do not start down a slippery slope. manoj -- "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy." Howard Roark, in Ayn Rand's _The Fountainhead_ Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> [Everybody following a different standard would make standards pointless.> Guy> Yes, of course everybody will agree with you there. Guy>

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
them. I have pointed out a few cases where the DFSG may be too limited because it was designed to cover software issues. If we are trying to define acceptable document licences, I think we may have to rethink the issues involved. manoj -- There is no such thing as pure pleasure; some

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Sun, Aug 09, 1998 at 05:28:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> I personally would not like to allow a standard I create to be >> readily modifiable, for what that ma

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the thin pipe to my machine. *That* is what is wrong with using procmail (apart from the fact that it is seriously under powered for the task ;-) manoj -- 'Tis not in mortals to command success; But we'll do more, Sempronius--we'll deserve it. -- Addiso

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
his document a standard?"). Common sense? What has the document been written for? If it is written to allow others (distinct from the creators) to write software or otherwise collaborate; it it is a set of protocols or interfaces, it is likely to be a standard. The third party

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
side commissions, kickbacks, rent paid in services, illegal activities (such as stealing, drugs, etc.), cash skimming by proprietors and tradesmen, "moonlighting" services, gambling, prizes and awards. Not reporting such income can lead to prosecution for perjury and fraud. Exc

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Free Software Needs Free Documentation]

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Mon, Aug 10, 1998 at 12:13:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> On Sun, Aug 09, 1998 at 05:28:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> I can understand that people have that fear,

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ve seen standards bodies looking at unconforming applications, and updating the standard. manoj -- To find out a girl's faults, praise her to her girl friends. Benjamin Franklin Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ients or servers can talk to each other. Imagine of evryone started tweaking the header sizes of IP packets. Heh. manoj -- On a clear disk you can seek forever. Denning Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tandards that are freely distributable but do not allow modifications do not deserve a place in main. I think we differ in where we draw the line, and that is essentially opinion. What do others on the policy list think? manoj -- You will have a head crash on your pr

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of your cookies is the Pledge of Allegiance by that Socialist scamp, Francis Bellamy. It should read, for those wishing to recite it: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to The Union for which it stands, with liberty and justice for all. Jeff Daiell Manoj Sriva

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
agreed on, and lets get a move on trying to decide where we stand on things like FSSTND and the FHS. manoj -- We are Microsoft. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
repeat them. Remember -- standards documents. Not documentation for a program. If you have none, I roundly reject the ntion that standards need be modifiable. manoj -- It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PR

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
standards, which allows authors to synergistically build upon each others works, and the community suffers from teh spread of a subtly or drastically different copies of what purports to be a standards dcument, I think we should actually frown on mutable standards. What is good

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Marcus> a) Without documentation, you can't use the software. >> >> Does not apply to a standard. You use the standard by reading >

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So? The program should still come with usage and configuration >> documentation. Even then, the standard does not describe th e program

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think that mutable strandards are an anathema: supporting a >> plethora of modified almost standards dilutes the benefits of a >

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ersonal Jules> communications (such as when we stick an email from the Jules> upstream maintainer in /usr/doc because it explains some point Jules> of contention). Why? What harm dos the community suffer from Debian distributing the FSSTND? manoj -- There seems no

Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Licenses for non-software entities -- Manoj Srivastava<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> $Revision: 1.2 $ -

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ments go into non-free. manoj -- A boy can learn a lot from a dog: obedience, loyalty, and the importance of turning around three times before lying down. Robert Benchley Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ble, etc, etc) manoj -- How many hardware guys does it take to change a light bulb? "Well the diagnostics say it's fine buddy, so it's a software problem." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why? What harm dos the community suffer from Debian >> distributing the FSSTND? Raul> In main? Or as an accompanying (non-main) documen

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You do this, then it is no longer a standard, it is the >> documentation of a particular program. Raul> So? We're talking about

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
good we are seeking, for it is merely useful for the sake of something else." Aristotle Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
eason -- I don't make the rules, Gil, I only play the game. Cash McCall Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 3. Types and categories of Documents considered

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
main, you have to throw out the DFSG, the social contract, and GPL etc out as well All the arguments about stadards apply to licenses as well. >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Thu, Aug 13, 1998 at 11:53:40PM -0500, Manoj S

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
s well, so be careful in what you say ;-) manoj -- "All Marxists, basically, are reactionaries, yearning for the Oriental despotisms of pre-Hellenic times, the neolithic culture that preceded the rise of self-consciousness and egoism." Robert Anton Wilson, writing as "Jus

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
n agree (as Marcus said, we have to resort to common sense at some level of detail). However, if you feel strongly about this, say so, and let us see if we can reach a compromise (hopeully before the document reaches a hundred pages) manoj -- Prejudice: A vagrant opinion without visible means of support. Ambrose Bierce Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Something to consider: you have gone a ong way towards convincing me >> that the rename-and-distinguish-if-modified clause is a good thing if

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
documents in there? manoj -- "I'll rob that rich person and give it to some poor deserving slob. That will *prove* I'm Robin Hood." Daffy Duck, Looney Tunes, _Robin Hood Daffy_ Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I agree. I also say it applies to licenses as well. If not, >> please provide reasons (which I shall turn around and use for >> standards, then). Joey> In a

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
We need to tackle the other categories (I hope I need not post them again). manoj -- The only real argument for marriage is that it remains the best method for getting acquainted. Heywood Broun Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ll the fields of endeavour of the human mind - activities which could not be carried out except in a mental climate of ambition and confidence which such a spearhead can give. Dr. Martin Schwarzschild, 1962, in "The History of Manned Space Flight" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Revised proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj __ PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents -- Manoj Srivastava<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
listed before. Michael> I agree with a verbatim distribution only for text (include Michael> documentation) but not for code. OK. manoj -- Every young man should have a hobby: learning how to handle money is the best one. Jack Hurley Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Fri, Aug 14, 1998 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> Well, this depends how much weight you give to the advantages Marcus> and disadvantages and is essentially opinion. F

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 11:13:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: compromise. It is a better delinieation of the >> issue. I think things are not just black or white; and the verbatim >

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
esent danger, so to say). I fail to see how a magazine that depends on layout and content and does not want to play with mutability is dangerous. manoj -- Experience is a dear teacher, but fools will learn at no other. Poor Richard's Almanac Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
why they want Marcus> copyrights to be free? They are no technical documents, and Marcus> they are bound to the work they protect. Why do you want standards to be free? Since I can't just copy the GPL, every argument you apply to standards applies to licenses. manoj -

Re: Revised proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, then we need only mail the BTS. True, except when we are sending mail which need not clutter up the BTS (like me toos ;-) manoj -- Date: 28 Mar 90 16:12:34 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal Schwartz) open(STDERR,">&STDOUT");warn "Just another Perl hacker

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
or /usr/doc/copyright/GPL. That is all I asked in the forst place. manoj -- "Unibus timeout fatal trap program lost sorry" An error message printed by DEC's RSTS operating system for the PDP-11 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esr

Re: A summary, if an opinionated one

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
st, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded responsible thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex. Valerie Solanas Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Because I think that it is in the interests of Debian to >> distribute even verbatim documents as part of the >> distribtution. Remember, we havbe not even cover

Re: Why licenses don't need to be free (was: Re: Why licenses *are* free)

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
udge through the archive and come up with them). You have failed to show that licenses are any different from standards, so far. I think I object to treating them differently. Hypocrisy is somehting I abhor. manoj -- You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
o coperate and build synergy, and they are good. manoj -- Merely because the group is in formation does not mean that the group is on the right course. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Why licenses don't need to be free (was: Re: Why licenses *are* free)

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nd explains our rationale for including non-free licenses, while indicating that we very much prefer free ones (RMS's point about GNU C went right home for me.) Marcus> There are now many ways for authors to do this: Marcus> a) Require a name change. Marcus> b) Reuqire clear

Re: Manoj, why are you suggesting to infringe the copyright law?

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
anoj -- You know my heart keeps tellin' me, You're not a kid at thirty-three, You play around you lose your wife, You play too long, you lose your life. Some gotta win, some gotta lose, Goodtime Charlie's got the blues. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Why licenses don't need to be free (was: Re: Why licenses *are* free)

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Hello, Marcus> On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 02:11:38PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> Base-files contains the GPL for the whole distribution for Marcus> practical reasons. It can'

Re: Manoj, why are you suggesting to infringe the copyright law?

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, *Sigh*. I see we must persist in adding to the volume of debian-devel. >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 03:45:03PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Stop lying, Marcus. Marcus> I nev

Re: Why licenses don't need to be free (was: Re: Why licenses *are* free)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Hello, Marcus> this reply is very short. I'm only adressing the technical points made. Marcus> On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 04:23:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >

Re: Why we must ship at least some licenses (was: Manoj, ...

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Hello, Marcus> On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 05:30:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> I quote the GPL for you: Marcus> " 1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
verbatim section can help. We may decree that every official CD contain a verbatim dir, which has *at least* the package that contains the copyrights. Satisfactory? manoj -- "You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus." Mark

Re: license distribution issues (was Re: Manoj, why are you suggesting to infringe the copyright law?)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ITAL UNIX follows POSIX; you can't just say, oh, well, they follow UNIX98, because thay would be a lie. Raul> I think that this means that these are two distinct issues. In the light of the above, I think you need to rethink this. manoj -- Death: to stop sinning sudd

Re: Linux Compatibility Standard (LCS)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
losopher, SARTRE is an extremely unstructured language. Statements in SARTRE have no purpose; they just are. Thus SARTRE programs are left to define their own functions. SARTRE programmers tend to be boring and depressed, and are no fun at parties. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Why we must ship at least some licenses (was: Manoj, ...

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
(although I could live Marcus> with it on my system). I definitely do not have thqat much space to waste. One copy on every machine, cd, and ftp archive should be enough. And on the CD and ftp archive, they should sit in the verbatim section where they belong. manoj -- .

Re: Distribution of license documents (fwd)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ding in the license that specifies which package or specific software the license applies to). manoj -- The water was not fit to drink. To make it palatable, we had to add whiskey. By diligent effort, I learned to like it. Winston Churchill Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <h

Re: Distribution of license documents (fwd)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> On 17 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The GPL, LGPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses do not apply to any >> software specifically, and can be considered stand alone. (If I am >

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
and foot vertical cliff with 60 pounds of gear strapped to your butt?" "No." "'Course you haven't, you fruit-loop little geek." The Mountain Man, one of Dana Carvey's SNL characters [ditto] Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Distribution of license documents (fwd)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ing to bend on evil immutable licenses ;-) manoj -- "If you are beginning to doubt what I am saying, you are probably hallucinating." The Firesign Theatre, _Everything you know is Wrong_ Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: license distribution issues (was Re: Manoj, why are you suggesting to infringe the copyright law?)

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
But I feel it's Raul> important to note that it's possible to replace standards (for Raul> example, Unix98 can be thought of as a replacement for some Raul> POSIX standards), Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That merely demonstrates that you

Re: Why we must ship at least some licenses (was: Manoj, ...

1998-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Hello, Marcus> On Mon, Aug 17, 1998 at 10:30:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> However, the essential package that provides >> /usr/doc/copyright caould well live in the verbat

Re: What RMS says about standards

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joseph" == Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joseph> [1 ] Joseph> On Mon, Aug 17, 1998 at 08:56:09AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The verbatim section can help. We may decree that every >> official CD contain a verbatim dir, w

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
en it should go in main. If we are not Ian> then it should go in non-free. And I think we need step out of binary mode of thought. manoj -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.da

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
states treating licenses just like any other copyrighted work. manoj -- After Goliath's defeat, giants ceased to command respect. Freeman Dyson Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: A proposal to revive the Policy document

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
he experience. (Actually, Californians don't screw in lightbulbs, they screw in hot tubs.) Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Three. One to screw in the lightbulb and two to fend off all those Californians trying to share the experience. Manoj Srivastava

Revised proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
documents -- Manoj Srivastava<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + $Revision: 1.7 $ --- 1. Introduction, and Administrivia --

Re: What RMS says about standards

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ould leave them Joseph> in main anyway, resulting in absolutely no change other than Joseph> making a big deal over something we cannot realistically Joseph> affect at this time. That is a good argument against a main/verbatim section. manoj -- Why is it called a funny bone when it hurts so much? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
in main comply with the DDG" [to be written]. Santiago> and then we would not need any additional section. I can live with that. I won't agree to throwing the FSSTND and the GPL into non-free (if there is a gpl_2.0-1_all.deb). Or contrib. manoj -- Those who are ment

Re: What RMS says about standards

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
kness within; it had stood so for eighty years and might stand for eighty more. Within, walls continued upright, bricks met neatly, floors were firm, and doors were sensibly shut; silence lay steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House, and whatever walked there, walked alone. Shir

Re: What RMS says about standards

1998-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
The guided-walk-through sections of the Kernel Hacker's Guide, physics textbooks, US Department of Defence field manuals on the proper way to brush one's teeth, etc. -- A commune is where people join together to share their lack of wealth. Stallman Manoj Srivas

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ful for the next time, but it is just a Marcus> temporary problem :) Do not confuse an example of a class of problems with the problem itself. manoj -- "Live or die, I'll make a million." Reebus Kneebus, before his jump to the center of the earth, Fir

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
arch can join that list. manoj -- Success is the result of behavior that completely contradicts the usual expectations about the behavior of a successful person. -- Felix R. Paturi Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerp

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ast 10% takes the other 90% of the time. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

CFV: Proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the 6502 is his brain. AHA! you say -- How could he ride a motorcycle like that with only 64K of addressable RAM? Answer: Bank switching. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: CFV: Proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep. -- Woody Allen Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: Before we vote on Policy Proceedures

1998-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ting society debacle, the discussion period is ended; either we accept this, or we reject this. manoj no votes so far. -- Can anyone remember when the times were not hard, and money not scarce? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> K

Second CFV: Proposal for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. __ -- Journey over, sorrowless, freed in every way, and with all bonds broken for such a man there is no more distress. 90 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL P

Re: contact address for virtual package name list

1998-08-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
od). I think sending the suggestion to debian-policy or directly filing a wishlist bug and looking for seconds should be the way t go. manoj -- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Hunter S. Thompson Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
n I'm dead, Fred, Tan me hide when I'm dead. So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, It's hanging there on the shed. All together now... Tie me kangaroo down, sport, Tie me kangaroo down. Tie me kangaroo down, sport, Tie me kangaroo down. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
s X10 days, and that is more than a decade ago. A decade is a long time for anything in computer science. manoj -- If it ain't baroque, don't phiques it. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
The Seventh Commandments for Technicians: Work thou not on energized equipment, for if thou dost, thy fellow workers will surely buy beers for thy widow and console her in other ways. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ey are all X11, you know. Give the people who laid out the hierarchy -- they knew what they were doing. And they specified /usr/X11R6. manoj -- "The right to search for the truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be the truth

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"David" == David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> On Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 12:20:38PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Such a move would, in fact, break section 4.1 of the FSSNTD, >> and would also violate the FHS. David> I don't th

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
bility to tell a man he has an open mind when he has a hole in his head. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Jim" == Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jim> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Such a move would, in fact, break section 4.1 of the FSSNTD, >> and would also violate the FHS. Jim> I think that's a little stro

Re: /usr/X11R6

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> On Sun 30 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Not until you show me an upgrade path to R7 and X12. The >> current method allows for co-existance of several releases of X >&

Re: /usr/X11R6 process

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
o edits the proposal document, and then a so called czar. manoj -- My mind used formerly to go off wandering wherever it felt like, following its own inclination, but today I shall control it carefully, like a mahout does a rutting elephant. 326 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E

Vote results for the proposed policy guidelines

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> YES Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> YES Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> YES Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> YE

Final: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
== A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents -- Manoj Srivastava<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> $Revisio

Re: /usr/X11R6 process

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Jim" == Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jim> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Look at http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/policy/ Jim> Thank you. Jim> Because I don't have enough time to read the volumes of em

Re: Vote results for the proposed policy guidelines

1998-08-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Also, policy has always been decided in such a fashion. This is merely the first time that the people involved have actually been counted. manoj -- America has been discovered before, but it has always been hushed up. Oscar Wilde Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http

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