Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of sailors who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too. Bill

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Edd just wants to be able to call out, “Helmsman: maneuvering thrusters to leave Spacedock”… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List > wrote: > > Some people retire from sailing, or buy a

Re: Stus-List boat closing!

HI Fred, I uploaded some photos, in no particular order, of the new boat if anyone would like a peak! One of the details I like, that the PO ordered from the factory, was that he did away with the teak toe rails for an aluminum angle toe rail. minimal exterior teak to maitain! You can really se

Stus-List Searchable archive?

Hi All, I am new to the list and don't want to waste anyone's time asking questions that have been answered in the past. I see that archived messages can be found at : http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/ However these do not appear to be searchable. Is there a way to search p

Stus-List 33ii Keel rebedding and ballast crack repair?

Hi, It is time to re-bed the keel (which weeps after haulout) and to consider what to do about some frost fractures bulging the lead casting at the base of one of the keelbolts. Is it feasible to block the keel on the cradle then jack the boat a few inches skyward to do this work? Has anyone done

Re: Stus-List Searchable archive?

I think the best way is to do a google (or your favorite search engine) search and add the term site:cnc-list.com after your search phrase. Like stuffing box site:cnc-list.com that should return anything from the cnc site that would have to do with stuffing boxes Danny1985 Tartan 40Massachusetts

Re: Stus-List Searchable archive?

Dave, Welcome! You'll find that C&C owners are willing to help and someone here has done almost anything you can think of in the way of upgrades and repairs. Where are you/your boat located? Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < cnc-list@c

Re: Stus-List Searchable archive?

usually the Google search works. You can limit the search by specifying the “site:” operator (e.g.boat name site:cnc-list.com). An interesting thing is that I cannot find any results newer than 2014. Marek From: Dave Syer via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 9:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-l

Re: Stus-List Searchable archive?

Use Google and add *"cnc-list"* to your search. To clarify, cnc-list needs to be in quotes. Otherwise you will get lots of hits referring to cnc stuff. For example, to search for stuffing box posts use the search string: stuffing box "cnc-list" Dennis C. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Danny

Re: Stus-List boat closing!

Danny — very nice! Yes, some work to be done; but it wouldn’t be a boat without that… :^) I love the separate shower. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List > wrote: > > HI Fred, > > I uploa

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Sure - if someone wants one, or even two, go for it. I just find every C&C I have had to dock or undock so far to be about the easiest single engine boats to handle. I get and out of my slip single-handed with little effort. If you do have to have one, this looks nice: http://www.hollandmarinepa

Re: Stus-List 33ii Keel rebedding and ballast crack repair?

Frost crack? I have no idea how water could fracture a solid piece of lead. Something else has to be going on. Joe DB Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Syer via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dave Syer

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

Petar; If I recall correctly, it is about 3/8” – perhaps ½” Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of phorvati . via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 8:01 PM To: CNC bo

Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Listers, I’m thinking of adding an extra hose and a Y-Valve for the raw water intake to make winterizing and commissioning the engine easier — as things stand now, I need to close the through-hull, unfasten the hose clamps and pull on the hose in a tight little area. Has anyone done this? Any

Re: Stus-List 33ii Keel rebedding and ballast crack repair?

Dave, You should be able to work with your yard to lift the hull enough to work on the keel and keel bolts. You’ll need a sturdy frame to support the keel no matter what. I built my own cradle and it wasn’t too terribly difficult.

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I did this years ago. I added a T connection and one hose goes to the engine and the other to the washdown pump. To add antifreeze I shut the seacock and pull the hoe off the washdown pump and stick it in a bucket of antifreeze. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]

Re: Stus-List Boom Mainsheet Connections

Hi Steve- I like my current arrangement. I have a double block with cam mounted on the traveller. That runs to three blocks on the boom and then forward to the mast and back to a clutch and winch on the cabin top. In lighter winds, it can all be controlled with the cam on the traveller. In h

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I have done this a couple of ways – with a 3 way valve, and with a tee where I shut the thru hull and open a valve on a piece of hose into the antifreeze ….. both work well. I also have an extra piece of hose I can put over the side if the thru hull plugs while I clear it …. Paul Fountain Manag

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I found a very good way of winterizing--go south to the Bahamas! Beats any dealing with raw water hoses! Bob Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer > On Sep 28, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > wrote: > > I did this years ago. I added a T connection and one hose goes to the engine

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Yes, I was about to suggest “water jets”. Vetus messed around with them the late 90’s. Didn’t realize someone else was trying it. They are complex beasts with huge power draw and , presumably, lower power output per watt. Still, for a smaller boat (like a 40) it could be interesting and they

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Anyone know the raw-water hose interior diameter for the raw water intake hoses on a C&C 37+? All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > On

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

That system is a great idea, but I think that many of us would prefer to build our own if choosing that sort of system. They charge over 4k Euros (6k C$) for the cheapest kit. Pretty sure I could source what I would need to construct something functional for less money than what they charge. W

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Edd, This is on the list for Pegasus. I am looking at installing one of these. Looks like it will work with a minimum of fuss. http://www.fisheriessupply.com/groco-safety-seacock-engine-flush-kits-ssc-series Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 Ballard, WA Doug Mountjoy sv Pegasus LF38 just west of Ball

Re: Stus-List 33ii Keel rebedding and ballast crack repair

Joe DB, See below where I described this in response to another thread. I contacted Mars Keel about this and they were aware of the issue on boats of this age. (they made the keels for C&C I believe) I spoke to the yard that repaired the worst one described below, and he mentioned that he had f

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Edd, Check out the latest GOB magazine. There's an article about how the author improved his holding tank, using mostly big-box store stuff. I used the article to fashion a fresh water rinse for my head by inserting a "T" and a hose b/t the seacock and the existing, intake hose to the head.

Stus-List Searchable archives?

To search the C&C Photo Album, go to the main page, and just under the rendezvous pic, is a box – Search the Photo Album – enter your search word(s) and let Google do the work for you. Stu___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list pr

Stus-List Searchable archive?

Or if you go down the main page a bit, there is a heading called “Search the Email Discussion List Archives”. Again, fill in your search words and let Google do the walking with your fingers for you. Stu___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To cha

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I have all the pieces to do something kinda similar but i chose Marlon (glass reinforced polypropylene). My plan is to install a tee off the through hull and then use a MIP to garden hose adapter and cap. The straight through portion of the tee would facilitate a short hose and ram rod for cleari

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Josh, I’m not sure there’s enough clearance between the through-hull and the floorboard (my hose is connected to a 90-degree adapter) — so I’m looking for something I can place in-line. For example, this has caught my eye: s981022078391678967_p16_i1_w600.jpeg

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Edd, I think the hose ID is 5/8ths. The fittings should be 1" MIP. Is your intake at the base of the stairs? I have checked the clearance to the floor board and it fits. Josh On Sep 28, 2015 12:49 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" wrote: > Josh, > > I’m not sure there’s enough clearance betwee

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Edd, The tee configuration I've put together is about 4 or 5 inches tall. I can send pictures later. Josh On Sep 28, 2015 12:49 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" wrote: > Josh, > > I’m not sure there’s enough clearance between the through-hull and the > floorboard (my hose is connected to a 90-d

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

On Calypso, built in 1970 at Bruckmann's, the deck balsa is nominally 1/2". When replacing failed balsa I have been purchasing 1/2" then sanding it down a little to leave room for epoxy and filler and the new epoxy/glass laminations. If you remove a fastener in the general area of the deck yo

Re: Stus-List Boom Mainsheet Connections

I had something very similar on my boat (4:1 one end to the cam cleat, the other to the winch). I changed it to a 6:1/3:1 arrangement. No need to run it back to the mast. The 6:1 purchase is much better even in high winds; the 3:1 works better when you quickly need to sheet in the main (e.g. dur

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

My solution is simpler. I found a tubing size at the hardware store that fit snugly into the outside opening of the raw water intake. I got about 15’ piece, fill it with antifreeze and plug one end into the intake and the other into a bucket of antifreeze on deck.I then start the engine an

Stus-List Winterizing raw water intake

Edd, I take the intake hose off and stuff a smaller hose in a couple inches and re-clamp it. Use electrical tape to make the outside diameter fit whatever small hose you have and pull antifreeze remotely. The less permanent connections to sea water the better for less leak potential. I use a 2 o

Stus-List Recommendations Please...

A good friend of mine would like to buy their first "big boat". We sail out of Buzzards Bay which I affectionately call the "Washing Machine" resulting from the Bay's shallow water and strong afternoon S'Westerlies. Their budget is around 15K and because of the aforementioned washing machine

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

I have a 74' 33-foot three quarter tonner, which I believe is the same hull and sail plan as the MK-1. I do believe my keel is longer, though. She draws 6'6" and the MK-1 is listed at 5'6". Layout is different but I don't think that would have much effect on performance. It is a superbly stiff and

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

The 30 MK I is supposedly the stiffest boat C&C made. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Burt Stratton Subject: Re: Stus-List Recommendations

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

On my 1981 C&C 40, the core thickness is 3/4". When I installed the windlass I found the centerline, where a staysail track was, has plywood reinforcement about 3" wide. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > On Calyps

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

The 30-1 has a sweet spot in the 12-15 range where one can easily make their phrf number if you want to race.  However, we were out in 3-5, later 5-7 last wednesday and were able to still move along eventually making more speed than I can walk normally (about 3mph).  We've held a 160% in over 15

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

I’ll measure before I order the core. I have some wet spots in the area of port genoa track(aft section). Interestingly the other side is dry. I thought I would order the core ahead of time. But after haul out, I’ll wait to dig stuff out before ordering. I’m not very motivated to do this, b

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

If I remember correctly, C&C used 7/16" balsa in the decks of their production boats built in NOTL and Rhode Island. However, as mentioned previously, always wise to confirm with a core sample taken with a small hole saw. I would not recommend using low density Polyurethane core for any structural

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

Agreed. Somewhere in the archives there is a Dallenbach chart which shows the relative 'stiffness' of most of the early C&C's. It would be pretty useful in this selection. And the 30-1 is by itself. Gary 30-1 #593 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: 'cnc-

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I thought most people in the PNW don't winterize. Doug, I'm curious why is it on your list? (especially with a heater going inside it seems unlikely anything would freeze) Our winter water temp is around 45F, and air temp rarely goes below 32F. -Patrick S/V Violet Hour LF 38, Seattle, WA On Mon,

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

Isn't it wonderful to have a great resource like cncphotoalbum.com? The diagram is under "Technical Info" then "Stability Diagram". The direct link is: . To be picky, it looks like the LF 42 is stiffer. Otherwise the 30 MK 1 gets it. Also

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

I have use Merton's and Fiberglass Supply for online or phone purchases of balsa and related repair supplies. Fiberglass Supply is located in Burlington WA and has an extensive web site with great descriptions of the materials. If you purchase larger volumes of balsa or other bulky materials t

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

The assumption with your solution is that the boat is out of the water. I winterize in the water. Not only that but chemical cleanings and flushings might be desired anytime of the year. Josh On Sep 28, 2015 1:57 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" wrote: > My solution is simpler. I found a tubin

Re: Stus-List Balsa core thickness

On the East coast Jamestown Distributors sells it. If you join their "club" you may get free shipping. Joel On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have use Merton's and Fiberglass Supply for online or phone purchases of > balsa and relat

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

Where does the Northeast 39 fit into that chart? I thought by the numbers it was pretty stiff, too. Just curious... Chuck B C&C 34 Elusive Somerset, MA Sent from my iPad > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > Isn't it wonderful to have a great resource like cncphot

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

I’ve used David’s technique if I’m on the hard. It works great. If I’m still in the water, I run the engine normally to get it warm. then: Shut engine off. Close inlet seacock. Remove lid from inlet water filter (Groco). Restart engine while pouring antifreeze i

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

The chart maps stiffness as heel from 1 pounds per square inch on the sails. The three Landfalls, LF 42 - LF 43 - LF 38, have a sail area / displacement rating of around 15. The 30-1 is 18.4, and the 41 is 19.35.  The Landfalls are stiffer due to less sail area, the 41 due to a deep keel. I hav

Stus-List Balsa core thickness

I'd echo the recommendation to *not* use expandable foam in a core repair. The characteristics of the material may seem similar to end-grain balsa but crush resistance is very different, and additionally it is difficult to get thicknesses, densities and full-surface bonding "right". As an alterna

Re: Stus-List Rcoendations

The 30 MKI is a beast. I owned one and loved it. They can be had in reasonable shape for less than 10K nowadays. For a day sailor/ weekend cruiser, Invest in a good reef-able genny on a reliable roller furled/reefer and a cruising spinnaker. You will probably never need to reef the main. she sai

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please...

Not quite by itself; the Landfall 38 is right in there, too, as I recall (along with the LF42, 43 and the 41): http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

Re: Stus-List Balsa core damage

Since we're on the topic of balsa core decay, I had a question about this - having just finished resealing all the deck fill ports (diesel, waste, 3 waters) on my boat. All had some softness in the balsa, two had obvious water ingress (in the past) evident by black staining, minor rust on fastener

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Now if you could add to the existing diverter in that system and also use the high pressure pump as a water maker…. Oh never mind, ran out of batteries. John > On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:16 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List > wrote: > > That system is a great idea, but I think that many of us would pref

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Patrick, I just want to be able to flush out the salt water for the winter. Maybe cut down on corrosion. It's not high on the list. It's the mechanic in me, a sickness.  Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Patrick Davin via

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

OK, I had to look up the word ”luddite”. I don’t think anyone is arguing the use of machinery here. It’s a cost/complexity/benefit issue. Never underestimate the impact of complexity. I’d go on my rant about steering systems here but that’s a whole other subject. John > >> On Sep 28, 2015

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Don: I have witnessed your 'in water' engine winterizing process under taken 'on the hard'..on the hard, as I observed, it is a two person job.one down below doing the pouring and one in the cockpit on the engine. Is it a two person task when you do it? If one person, how do you m

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

David: I do the same on the 'hard'remove the raw water hose in front of the raw water pump.connect a hose to the pump to a 5 gallon bucket in the cockpit with a running fresh water hose into the bucket...flush the engine of salt water with fresh water .heat the engine up.stop

Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Is it called a Yacht Thruster? I was talking to a cruiser on my docks who had installed one on his Crealock 37. He seemed pleased. I thought it sort of pricey, but I suppose it is still a lot less expensive then a tube across the hull under the v berth. He didn’t say anything about a speed penal

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

What am i missing here? For 20+ years all I’ve done, is close the engine raw water in, run the engine while pouring a couple of gallons of antifreeze in through the top of the raw water strainer. When it comes out pink at the exhaust end I stop. Once on the hard I open the raw water intake and

Stus-List C&C 37+ Polars

Does anyone have a set of 37+ polars they want to share? Gary S/V High Maintenance '90 C&C 37 + East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the botto

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Hi John For some of us the idea of doing contortions to be able to pour antifreeze into my raw water strainer... I'll go with other solutions. My back hurts thinking about that. My strainer is not easily accessible. My solution is similar to Rob's, but I just use a couple of feet of hose

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Fair enough - just wanted to make sureI wasn’t being stupid again! John > On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi John > For some of us the idea of doing contortions to be able to pour antifreeze > into my raw water strainer... I'll go with other solutions.

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Hi John- The way I do it, it is a one person job and I am on deck for the whole job. No running back and forth between the cabin and the transom. That way, I can keep an eye on the bucket and the color of what is coming out the back at the same time. Dave On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:42 PM, John Pe

Re: Stus-List Balsa core damage

Patrick, I concur with your degree of failure chart with the added "bad" comment of balsa that has rotted to black goo that smells of swamp and acidic polyester. I do have pictures but they are not posted online nor organized well. That organizational project will be waiting until Calypso

Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Polars

Gary, I can get that to you tomorrow if nobody sends it sooner. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C&C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile

Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

My raw water strainer is in my engine compartment on the starboard side.I can reach it from in front of the engine with my left hand, but just barely ...it would be impossible for me to pour antifreeze into the strainer bowl let alone start and stop the engine. The bucket in the cockpi

Re: Stus-List Winterizing -- Raw Water Intake

Rob Yes , it is a 2 person job ! My raw water strainer is readily accessible via the Starboard sail locker. It’s a big sail locker, and the strainer is easy to reach. I normally do a bunch of winterizing stuff at the end of the season, like getting the sails off, winterizing the fresh water sy

Re: Stus-List Recommendations Please... - MotionComfort?

Hi All, One thing to consider is the motion comfort - bigger heavier boats aren’t bounced around as much as beamy light ones. The best description of Ted Brewers Motion Comfort Number I’ve seen is at http://www.wavetrain.net/boats-a-gear/281-crunching-numbers-brewer-comfort-ratio Course I’m b

Stus-List C&C 37+ Polars

Maybe. What are Polars? Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40 Vashon WA P 206.463.9200 > On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:59 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:44:38 -0400 > From: Gary Russell > To: "C&C List" > Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Polars > Mes