masthead light?
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*On Behalf Of *Dave
> Godwin via CnC-List
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your boat.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
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m for masthead light?
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> Godwin via CnC-List
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> *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Subjec
ening at the Sailboat Owners
> Forum.
>
> Marek
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> From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List
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> Sorry for the r
hat “headlight”??:…..very nifty idea.
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> Ron C.
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Ed: What's the link for that "headlight"??:...very nifty idea.
Ron C.
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ve an advantage.
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> Marek
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> *From:* Joel Aronson
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:17 PM
> *To:* Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Marek,
>
> one other difference: I find it har
lights, the top of the
mast lights have an advantage.
Marek
From: Joel Aronson
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:17 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Marek,
one other difference: I find it harder to judge the dista
e nobody looks that high up. Even an anchor
> light at the top of the mast might be too high on some anchorages.
>
> Interestingly, the same discussion is (was) happening at the Sailboat
> Owners Forum.
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* Burt Stratton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday,
conversation that has undoubtedly
been had many times before. Thanks for the education
From: Marek Dziedzic [mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 11:56 AM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
It
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
Sorry for the rookie question but what is the steaming light?
For sailboats I am aware of the deck bi-color, masthead and stern light
Now this is a headlight —
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/headlight.jpg
LED’s — highly recommended for those dark nights driving through a mooring
field.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No
Right, mast "headlight" not "masthead" light. Sorry for all the confusion.
On Nov 6, 2014 11:38 AM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Well, not exactly. The steaming light is not at the top of the mast. It
> is somewhere in the vicinity of the first set of spread
Well, not exactly. The steaming light is not at the top of the mast. It
is somewhere in the vicinity of the first set of spreaders. It is not at
the mast HEAD. It is a mast headlight.
Bill Bina
On 11/6/2014 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
You got it. Steaming=masthead.
On Nov 6,
light. my belief.
> Bill Walker
> Evening Star
> CnV 36
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I agree, White all around mast head light is Anchor .
Tim
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oring a sailing vessel. It is not all around
> white masthead light. my belief.
> Bill Walker
> Evening Star
> CnV 36
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From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"
To: "C&C List" , "Burt Stratton"
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 11:07 AM
You got it. Steaming=masthead.
On Nov 6, 2014 11:06 AM, "Bu
t;
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>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>> Godwin via CnC-List
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C-List
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>
> ... and I could could buy a bigger (C&C!) boat if I had a dollar for every
> time I have seen the tri-c
”
another term for masthead light?
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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:49 AM
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… and I could could
… and I could could buy a bigger (C&C!) boat if I had a dollar for every time I
have seen the tri-color AND the ship’s running lights on at night. Here’s
another one that I found “amusing”, sailboat under power, tri-color light on,
and the steaming light lit. Now there’s an interesting lighting
st.com] On Behalf Of Robert
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I agree with Bill Bina and Andy on thisa tricolor can be used as a
substitute for deck r
Can we get back to discussions on racing rules? This Colregs stuff is
way too foncusing.
Ken wrote:
>From the Tranport Canada "Small Commercial Vessel Safety Guide - TP 14070 E
(2010)" Chapter 9, found here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/tp-tp14070-3587.htm
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>From the Tranport Canada "Small Commercial Vessel Safety Guide - TP 14070 E
(2010)" Chapter 9, found here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/tp-tp14070-3587.htm
Sailing Vessels
A sailing vessel is any vessel under sail provided that if propelling
machinery is fitted, it is not being used.
A
At anchor, no problem. I have a solar garden light tie wrapped at both
bow and stern, and have at times mounted one port and starboard
amidships on the stanchions. They also help to find the boat at night...
As Bill mentioned, Tri-Color and running lights are a no-no. When under
power your
I agree with Bill Bina and Andy on thisa tricolor can be used as a
substitute for deck running lights when under sail but not both at the
same time.
The advantage of the tricolor comes with coastal and/or offshore sailing:
1. to preserve the draw on the batteries..one (1) bulb versus
Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it
may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck
level lights.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyac
It is completely illegal to use both at the same time. Each nav light
displayed has a specific meaning, especially in relation to other lights
being displayed. You are not permitted to vary the configuration.
Bill Bina
On 11/3/2014 2:38 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:
Joe: it is my unde
Joe: it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for
deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition.
Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
"There is nothin
weeper
or dredge or something.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 1:06 PM
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Same goes for the anchor light. No one l
ean-Francois
> J Rivard via CnC-List
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> You get what you pay for..
>
> If you choose wisely it's not just the cert
, November 03, 2014 10:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
You get what you pay for..
If you choose wisely it's not just the certification, it's the overall
construction and performance. After careful consideration I bought t
Ditto your running lights plus tricolor for rednecks.
You need to have lights near water level.drunk rednecks on party barges
don't usually look up. In fact, drunk rednecks on party barges don't look,
period!
We were anchored behind Pensacola Beach in broad daylight. We had a 15
inch orange
You get what you pay for..
If you choose wisely it's not just the certification, it's the overall
construction and performance. After careful consideration I bought this
one:
http://www.miseagroup.com/solutions/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5_7&products_id=23&zenid=va2a254cabmkjgrs
Magothy River, Md
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To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
It is also important to consider mounting height when calculating how far away
something can b
ton, NC
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Heaton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 10:39 AM
> *To:* Burt Stratton; cnc-list
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bu
.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:39 AM
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No, in 1973 the 35 Mk.1 had lig
e expense of lawyers and trial to reduce
> the amount they have to pay.
>
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> Rick Brass
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> Washington, NC
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Bina via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday
On 10/31/2014 10:45 AM, Rick Brass wrote:
What you say is true, Bill; if you change the bulb the light fixture
is no longer certified. Heck, if your wiring is corroded and delivers
less than the voltage specified for testing, I'd bet is it no longer
certified as well.
Still certified, bu
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
Yes, you must comply with the regulations. NO, if you modify your existing
light by changing from the original bulb as supplied with the fixture, it is
no longer legally CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER as being in compliance. If
you end
Della
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>
> FYI – the running lights standard on the 1973 35 MK I, if you can find
> them, are sold as
f Of
*Bill Bina via CnC-List
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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Yes, you must comply with the regulations. NO, if you modify your
existing light by changing from the original bulb as supplied with th
CH more visible.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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via CnC-List
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Yes, you must c
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Yes, you must comply with the regulations. NO, i
Yes, you must comply with the
regulations. NO, if you modify your existing light by changing
from the original bulb as supplied with the fixture, it is no
longer legally CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER as being in
compliance. If you end up in court, you will have t
Bravo Rick.
Well stated. In my mind this clears things up very nicely.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
P.S. I'm a bit glad to know you sent us this from
your iPad, but I don't know why... :)
At 09:14 PM 30/10/2014, you wrote:
The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You
will fi
The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You will find it in Annex I of the
COLREGS, which you are required to have on your boat if you have a Captain's
License. And which you probably have on you boat in any event.
33CFR88.05 says: The operator of each self-propelled vessel 12 meters (39.4')
So you are right on the last part of you statement.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:59 PM, "Dan Mccorison via CnC-List"
> wrote:
>
> That saying you can be the manufacture.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List"
>> wrote:
>>
>> There
That saying you can be the manufacture.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List"
> wrote:
>
> There is no such animal as a "USCG approved navigation light. The USCG does
> not have a department that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD) is
> certifie
Your wrong about the lights, as long as it meets coast guard standards for the
seen per mile required for the size boat, you could make your own lights to
meet the requirement. And you can replace bulbs and it will still meet the
requirements. Check with the coast guard..
Sent from my iPhone
>
I'm guessing from previous discussions that you
only need to worry about this USCG reg minutiae
is if you have a Captain's license. Right?
:)
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
If you dream, dream big.
If you can think of a better world you will have a better world.
If pigs could fl
As long as the rules are met nothing is specified in any regs about
incandescent vs LED. Whether or not an LED will meet the visibility
requirements in a fixture originally made for incandescent bulbs is the
users responsibility to determine. The manufacturers only test for
compliance using their
There is no such animal as a "USCG
approved navigation light. The USCG does not have a department
that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD) is certified, it
is certified by the manufacturer to meet or exceed
the USCG requirements. When a manufacturer certi
And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old fixtures
would be compliant with USCG regs. Many said no as the whole unit, both bulb
and fixture, has to be certified. And that was why for a long period there
were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval proc
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