Touche' also has the Perko deck mounts on the bow casting. I keep a spare green lens on the boat. The dumb foredeck guy frequently drops the spin pole. The light is in exactly the right spot to get hammered by the end of the pole, breaking the lens.
I need to talk to the foredeck guy. OK, Dennis, quit dropping the pole!! There, that's done. :) Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Those are exactly the lights I used to replace the lights on my 25 mk1. It > was a direct replacement for the OEM lights. I think Perko offers them as > well. > > > > Lenses for the lights are also available in the event your old stainless > light is still functioning but the lens is cracked or scorched. > > > > > > Rick Brass > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken > Heaton via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 10:39 AM > *To:* Burt Stratton; cnc-list > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs > > > > No, in 1973 the 35 Mk.1 had lights on top of the bow casting similar to > these Perko Nav Lights: > > > > > http://www.perko.com/catalog/navigation_lights_under_20_meters/76/horizontal_mount_side_light/ > > > > We fitted these as replacements for the originals a few years ago on a > friends Mk.1 as they are CG Certified for 1 nm. They are OK, not as > durable as a pulpit mounted Aqua Signal. > > > > I think these below are pretty much what was original equipment. > > > > Note: Not for new construction > > > > http://www.sea-dog.com/groups/1835-top-mount-side-light > > > > Ken H. > > > > On 31 October 2014 11:08, Burt Stratton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Does the 1973 MK1 have the flush mounted lights molded into the hull below > the deck? My 1974 33 ¾ tonner does and I am having trouble just finding a > lamp base for replacement. I am sure I will need to fabricate something. I > had to fabricate new lenses. (green and red acrylic sheets). My lights each > have two lamps. They look like standard automotive 12VDC incandescent > lamps. I will be happy just to have running lights. In my situation I am > not concerned about USCG certification. > > > > If someone runs into me at night and then tries to use my running lights > as an excuse I don’t think they will get much sympathy from anyone. > > > > Burt > > 1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner > > To be named over the winter > > Portsmouth, RI > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della > Barba, Joe via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 9:50 AM > > > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs > > > > FYI – the running lights standard on the 1973 35 MK I, if you can find > them, are sold as “not approved for new construction”, so I think they do > not meet modern standards either. I long ago switched to an Aquasignal 25 > mounted on the pulpit which is MUCH more visible. > > > > *Joe Della Barba* > > *Coquina* > > *C&C 35 MK I* > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bina via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 5:48 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs > > > > Yes, you must comply with the regulations. NO, if you modify your existing > light by changing from the original bulb as supplied with the fixture, it > is no longer legally CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER as being in compliance. > If you end up in court, you will have the burden of proving that the light > you were using complied with the regulations. It will no longer be accepted > as complying simply by virtue of being certified. It doesn't matter at all > if your light now exceeds the requirements by 2 or 3 times the visibility. > It is no longer CERTIFIED. People can try and make this as complicated and > convoluted as they like, but the facts don't care. Meeting the requirements > is not the same thing as CERTIFIED as meeting the requirements. > > Bill Bina > > On 10/31/2014 12:14 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: > > The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You will find it in Annex I of > the COLREGS, which you are required to have on your boat if you have a > Captain's License. And which you probably have on you boat in any event. > > > > 33CFR88.05 says: The operator of each self-propelled vessel 12 meters > (39.4') or more in length shall carry on board and maintain for ready > reference a copy of the Inland Navigation Rules. > > > > As has been pointed out before, a navigation light is certified by the > light manufacturer to comply with the USCG requirements. IF YOU MANUFACTURE > A BOAT FOR SALE IN THE USA YOU MAY ONLY USE A CERTIFIED LIGHT ASSEMBLY. If > you are a boat owner, or building a boat for your own use, you can use any > lighting device or bulb you chose, provided that the lights meet the > requirements of COLREGS RULE 22 (visibility) and RULE 23 (light patterns). > > > > Raise your hand if you have one of the Davis LED anchor lights that plug > into a cigarette lighter, or a battery operated Perko anchor light you keep > as a backup. Both meet COLREGS 22 for boats less than 39 feet, but neither > are certified by the manufacturer. At least mine aren't marked as certified. > > > > I can find no direct reference to the nav lights required in 46CFR > Subchapter C covering uninspected passenger vessels of less than 100 tons > carrying 6 or fewer passengers, other than the requirement to comply with > COLREGS 22 & 23. > > > > For small inspected passenger vessels up to 100 tons carrying 100 or fewer > passengers, 46CFR Subchapter T paragraph 183.420 says: All vessels must > have navigation lights that are in compliance with the applicable sections > of the International and Inland Navigation rules, except that a vessel of > more than 198 meters (65') in length must also have navigation lights that > meet UL 1104 "Standards for Marine Navigation Lights" or other standard > specified by the Commandant. > > > > Bottom line is that as a Captain you must comply with the light visibility > and patterns specified in the COLREGS, and you must have a copy of the > current COLREGS aboard. > > > > If you don't have a captain's license and you boat is less than 12 meters > you must comply with the COLREGS. > > > > And if the boat is over 12 meters you need to comply and carry a copy of > the COLREGS. > > > > I could not find anything in the 2000+ pages of Federal Regulation I got > while obtaining my Masters License that indicates you need to use a > certified light, use the same type of bulb, or buy the same bulb used in > building your boat - but you must comply with COLREGS 22&23. > > > > Rick Brass > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 30, 2014, at 21:38, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > I'm guessing from previous discussions that you only need to worry about > this USCG reg minutiae is if you have a Captain's license. Right? > > :) > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > > > > > > > > *If you dream, dream big.If you can think of a better world you will have > a better world.If pigs could fly imagine how good their wings would > taste...*At 06:53 AM 30/10/2014, you wrote: > > And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old > fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs. Many said no as the whole > unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be certified. And that was why for a > long period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the > approval process was long and involved and many companies did not want to > expend the $ or effort… > > So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole > fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the incident] > might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming > with any coverage? > > Any current thoughts? > > *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Coleman via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Running Lights > > Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running > lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at > the boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have > white coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white. > Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am > really confused! > > Regards, > > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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