It is also important to consider mounting height when calculating how
far away something can be seen. You lose distance due to curvature of
the earth. Two 6 foot tall men standing on shores 6 miles across from
each other cannot see each others heads, even without throwing even an
inch of wave height into the mix. The "high spot" between them is only 3
miles from their respective vantage point. :-)
Bill Bina
On 10/31/2014 9:50 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
FYI -- the running lights standard on the 1973 35 MK I, if you can
find them, are sold as "not approved for new construction", so I think
they do not meet modern standards either. I long ago switched to an
Aquasignal 25 mounted on the pulpit which is MUCH more visible.
*/Joe Della Barba/*
*/Coquina/*
*/C&C 35 MK I/*
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*Bill Bina via CnC-List
*Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 5:48 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs
Yes, you must comply with the regulations. NO, if you modify your
existing light by changing from the original bulb as supplied with the
fixture, it is no longer legally CERTIFIED BY THE MANUFACTURER as
being in compliance. If you end up in court, you will have the burden
of proving that the light you were using complied with the
regulations. It will no longer be accepted as complying simply by
virtue of being certified. It doesn't matter at all if your light now
exceeds the requirements by 2 or 3 times the visibility. It is no
longer CERTIFIED. People can try and make this as complicated and
convoluted as they like, but the facts don't care. Meeting the
requirements is not the same thing as CERTIFIED as meeting the
requirements.
Bill Bina
On 10/31/2014 12:14 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You will find it in
Annex I of the COLREGS, which you are required to have on your
boat if you have a Captain's License. And which you probably have
on you boat in any event.
33CFR88.05 says: The operator of each self-propelled vessel 12
meters (39.4') or more in length shall carry on board and maintain
for ready reference a copy of the Inland Navigation Rules.
As has been pointed out before, a navigation light is certified by
the light manufacturer to comply with the USCG requirements. IF
YOU MANUFACTURE A BOAT FOR SALE IN THE USA YOU MAY ONLY USE A
CERTIFIED LIGHT ASSEMBLY. If you are a boat owner, or building a
boat for your own use, you can use any lighting device or bulb you
chose, provided that the lights meet the requirements of COLREGS
RULE 22 (visibility) and RULE 23 (light patterns).
Raise your hand if you have one of the Davis LED anchor lights
that plug into a cigarette lighter, or a battery operated Perko
anchor light you keep as a backup. Both meet COLREGS 22 for boats
less than 39 feet, but neither are certified by the manufacturer.
At least mine aren't marked as certified.
I can find no direct reference to the nav lights required in 46CFR
Subchapter C covering uninspected passenger vessels of less than
100 tons carrying 6 or fewer passengers, other than the
requirement to comply with COLREGS 22 & 23.
For small inspected passenger vessels up to 100 tons carrying 100
or fewer passengers, 46CFR Subchapter T paragraph 183.420 says:
All vessels must have navigation lights that are in compliance
with the applicable sections of the International and Inland
Navigation rules, except that a vessel of more than 198 meters
(65') in length must also have navigation lights that meet UL 1104
"Standards for Marine Navigation Lights" or other standard
specified by the Commandant.
Bottom line is that as a Captain you must comply with the light
visibility and patterns specified in the COLREGS, and you must
have a copy of the current COLREGS aboard.
If you don't have a captain's license and you boat is less than 12
meters you must comply with the COLREGS.
And if the boat is over 12 meters you need to comply and carry a
copy of the COLREGS.
I could not find anything in the 2000+ pages of Federal Regulation
I got while obtaining my Masters License that indicates you need
to use a certified light, use the same type of bulb, or buy the
same bulb used in building your boat - but you must comply with
COLREGS 22&23.
Rick Brass
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 30, 2014, at 21:38, Russ & Melody via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm guessing from previous discussions that you only need to
worry about this USCG reg minutiae is if you have a Captain's
license. Right?
:)
Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1
/If you dream, dream big.
If you can think of a better world you will have a better world.
If pigs could fly imagine how good their wings would taste...
/At 06:53 AM 30/10/2014, you wrote:
And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED
bulbs in old fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.Â
Many said no as the whole unit, both bulb and fixture, has
to be certified. And that was why for a long period there
were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval
process was long and involved and many companies did not
want to expend the $ or effort...
So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered
that the whole fixture was not in compliance [and lights
were relevant to the incident] might liability fall
differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming
with any coverage?
Any current thoughts?Â
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Bill Coleman via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Subject:* Stus-List Running Lights
Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my
forward running lights, I replaced them with red and
green, and then someone, I think at the boat show, or
maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have
white coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to
white.
Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the
market, and now I am really confused!
Regards,
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
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