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To catch up on this story, I dove under the boat last weekend, and found that the bottom was a total mess.  So much for Interlux Micron Extra preventing growth. Lots of slime and lots of barnacles, especially on the rear third of the hull.  The prop and shaft were also a mess despite the Pettit zin

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I like the idea of a line wrap or Maxprop that is not folding correctly. THat will be my first target when I get in the water. Seems more likely than fouled bottom, but we shall see.  DaveOn Jul 28, 2013, at 7:48 PM, "Gary Nylander" wrote:When I went to pick up a donated

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cleaned the bottom and prop - no problem afterward. Gary St. Michaels MD - Original Message - From: RAYMOND SHIBE To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal Check for a crab pot or anchor line around the prop shaft

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y from throttle and shift levers. Always focus on solutions, be sure to let us know the fix?  Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: "David Knecht" To: "CnC CnC discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:14:41 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Uni

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Read your email again and think the black smoke is just excess fuel that didn't burn completely.  The real problem is why the engine didn't speed up, and I suspect the cable or the throttle linkage need attention.  See earlier email from me.  Another possible cause is the clamp that restricts the t

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the hard.) From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of David Knecht [davidakne...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal Seemed fine in neutral. Why would you get black smoke from a fouled prop or

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I must say that I have the same engine and when I realized I never got the proper RPMs, I checked the main shaft with a tachometer and found my tach was reading half the RPMs.  I made a change on a selector on the Tach to get it closer to actual RPMs. 1)  Loose Belt?  The indicated RPM is generated

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Dirty bottom or prop adds drag and overloads the engine. Joel Aronson On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:10 PM, David Knecht wrote: Seemed fine in neutral. Why would you get black smoke from a fouled prop or is just because the engine is trying to drive the prop and cannot due to the fouling. I forgot t

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Seemed fine in neutral. Why would you get black smoke from a fouled prop or is just because the engine is trying to drive the prop and cannot due to the fouling. I forgot to mention that when I put it in reverse, the engine stalled twice. Max-prop feathering 3 blade. Dave On Jul 27, 2013, a

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Dave Does it rev normally in neutral? If so, bottom or prop are fouled. Joel Aronson On Jul 27, 2013, at 10:15 PM, David Knecht wrote: The saga continues and I am once again in need of advice from the group. When last we discussed my engine I was having starting problems. That seems to have

Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal

The saga continues and I am once again in need of advice from the group. When last we discussed my engine I was having starting problems.  That seems to have been fixed by cleaning the grounds.  Since that fix, the boat has been at anchor while I was away.  Two weeks later, I returned to the boat f

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w. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA > > From: David Knecht >To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:54 PM >Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal > > > >I was thinking about this issue today and remem

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en > C&C 35 Mk-III > Midnight Mistress > Hampton VA > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David > Knecht > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 11:34 PM > To: CnC CnC discussion list > Subject: Re: St

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, 2013 11:34 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal I wanted to report back to the list on what is hopefully the resolution of my engine starting problems. To recap, I was having intermittent problems where pressing the start switch led to nothing until last

Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal - ground sparks

-Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 11:34 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal I wanted to report back to the list on what is hopefully the resolution of my

Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal

I wanted to report back to the list on what is hopefully the resolution of my engine starting problems. To recap, I was having intermittent problems where pressing the start switch led to nothing until last week when I could not get it to turn over at all.  Following various list suggestions, I sta

Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bria...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal Another possibility...the starter itself may be drawing way to much power. This can be due to a variety

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Another possibility...the starter itself may be drawing way to much power. This can be due to a variety of factors including badly worn brushes, internal corrosion, bad solenoid Another possibility that occurred on my C&C was bad internal corrosion where the battery connectors attach to

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In the Been There/ Done That department, I would like to mention that if the engine does not start in the first 5-10 seconds, I always close the raw water intake stopcock before proceeding.   I have made that mistake once in the past and don't intend to repeat an engine rebuild experience.  DaveOn

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Of David Knecht Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal I have some more data on my engine issues. I tried to start it yesterday at the slip from battery alone and could not get it to start although it turned over just fine. I plu

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I have some more data on my engine issues.  I tried to start it yesterday at the slip from battery alone and could not get it to start although it turned over just fine. I plugged into shore power and got it to start after several tries and at that point I realized that it was in gear (the transmis

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CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal OK...I gotta ask. I have a 1981 3QM30. Purrs like a kitten. No glow plug. Start up cold just fine. Just a few more cranks.Before this engine I thought all diesels had glow plugs. What gives? David F. R

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on't think any Yanmar marine engine I know of uses glow plugs, but the 65HP 4 cylinder industrial engines do. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:58 AM To: CNC CNC Subject

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-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:04 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal yanmars do not.

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hat gives? >> >> >> David F. Risch >> (401) 419-4650 (cell) >> >> >> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 04:07:54 + >> From: cscheaf...@comcast.net >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal >> >> David, &g

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We don't necessarily do it on purpose… but I've been on Lake Superior doing a delivery the second week of October; the weather started out pretty nice, but by the time we got east to Munising, MI an early-season blizzard was blowing up. So we put in there for a few days. Lots of snow, really c

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- no glow plugs - Original Message - From: "Curtis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal My Yanmar 2GM dont have them and dont need them. In south Carolina where the temp is always higher than my age they start up with no prob

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ne. Just a few more cranks.Before > this engine I thought all diesels had glow plugs. > > What gives? > > > David F. Risch > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 04:07:54 + > From: cscheaf...@comcast.net > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >

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-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal Unless you sail on Lake Superior. :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 16, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Steve Thomas wrote: It may be because these engines are not desi

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Unless you sail on Lake Superior… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 16, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Steve Thomas wrote: > It may be because these engines are not designed to start in really cold > conditions. Inboard marine en

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m to where your engine will start after a one or two cranks. Bill Coleman C&C 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal

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Behalf Of David Risch Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:58 AM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal OK...I gotta ask. I have a 1981 3QM30. Purrs like a kitten. No glow plug. Start up cold just fine. Just a few more cranks.Before this engine I thought all diesels had glow

Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal

? David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 04:07:54 + From: cscheaf...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal David, The glow plugs are only needed when the engine is cold. I hold that glow plug button

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...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal David, The glow plugs are only needed when the engine is cold. I hold that glow plug button for at least 30secs. Rule of Thumb: Take 100, subtract the water temp and hold it for those seconds, and you should be

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David,The glow plugs are only needed when the engine is cold.  I hold that glow plug button for at least 30secs.  Rule of Thumb: Take 100, subtract the water temp and hold it for those seconds, and you should be good for a first try.  If the water is 40 F, hold the button for 60 seconds.  If the wa

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Someone on the list suggested that I use the formula 100-T(F) to get the number of seconds to hold the glow plug.I was having trouble in colder temps, like low 60s.  Worked great.I like others suggested also open the throttle a little when starting.RonWild CheriC&C 30STL

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er, $75 for new solenoid, bearings, brushes. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: "Neil Gallagher" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:09:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal For a new M3-

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For a new M3-20B, the Universal Operator's Manual gives a table that says hold the preheat switch for approx 10 sec if temperature is 41F/5C or higher, 15 sec if temperature is 41F-23F/5C- -5C, and 20 sec if temp below 23F/-5C. With Universal-supplied panels the preheat switch has to be presse

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__ > From: David Knecht >To: CnC CnC discussion list >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal > > > >Now you have me concerned about my setup.  Is it possible that the inability >to start with both press

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I always had trouble starting my Westerbeke when my batteries weren't fully charged. Alan Bergen C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com

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f St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: May 15, 2013 7:03 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a Universal Now you have me concerned about my setup. Is it possible that the inability

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Now you have me concerned about my setup. Is it possible that the inability to start with both pressed on battery alone indicates a battery problem? I had my switch set to BOTH when I did this and it cranked heartily so it did not seem like a weak battery. Dave On May 15, 2013, at 5:40 PM, "

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My Universal M35B (a newer engine based on a Kubota diesel) calls for 20 seconds of preheat if below -5C (23F), 15 seconds if -5C to +5C (41F), and 10 seconds if above +5C. Press start while holding preheat. Continue to hold preheat after engine starts until oil pressure reaches 15PSI. Do not crank

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David,The preheat button does 2 things, activates the glow plugs and deactivates the audible alarms.  The usual start procedure should be to press the preheat button for 30-60 seconds then press the start button while continuing to press the preheat button.  In colder weather, you may have to hold

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I have an M4-30.hold the glow plug 30-60 seconds then press the starter button while still holding the glow plug button depressed.I think that's what the manual says to do and that is what I do to start.in warmer weather I don't hold the glow plug quite as long but I don't think my M4-30 will start