Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates

*sigh*, no 24 half-hulls, the little-un of the family forgotten as usual ;-) Seriously though, the models look great, nice job Andy. On 13-02-26 01:18 PM, Andrew Burton wrote: Thanks, David. I didn't want to abuse the hospitality here by getting all commercial. So here's the deal: For my fel

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

All very good tips. I would add to look thoroughly for a good surveyor. I bet that this list can help. Another source is the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (www.marinesurvey.org). I would pick at least a couple and talk to them (interview them). You want to make sure that they are working

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

Agreed Joel, Over all I was disappointed with what a standard survey included. I had two in less than a month on two different boats with different surveyors. If not for needing it for the financing I would opt next time for an engine and rigging survey alone. I can swing a moisture meter, and v

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

You might also want to consider a rigging survey. My surveyor could not see a broken tang. Luckily I had a furler installed, so my rigger saw it before I lost the rig. It was an expensive, unwelcome surprise. Joel Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: The haul an

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

The haul and launch are sold as a pair so the previous haul covers the launch. But if you don't buy then you are responsible for putting it back on the hard. Other than that all costs are yours. That's kinda why you want a contract...so that the money you are investing can't be sold out from und

Re: Stus-List Babystay adjuster

My 29-2 came with a 4:1 purchase block and tackle baby stay adjuster. It was an option in lieu of the standard equipment fixed babystay with a turnbuckle. I upgraded to a Harken B500 mechanical adjuster, the type where tension can be increased or decreased by inserting a standard winch handle in

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David and I looked for a C&C 37/40+ boat for over two years to find the right one for us (condition), and while I agree with the volume of advice you have received, there is one area that wasn't covered. (Please excuse me) We hired a naval architect that performs surveys using a Flir thermal ima

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, Just a thought for you. Before owning my C&C, my previous boat was an Alberg 37 which I bought while it was in the water at a marina. During negotiations, I insisted on a survey and a sea-trial as conditions of the purchase. We sea-trialed with the surveyor on board and all was fi

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

It's a 29 my 1 - very similar to mine! On Tuesday, February 26, 2013, Leslie Paal wrote: > Definitely NOT a 32. > > Leslie (I own one) > > -- > *From:* Gary Nylander 'cvml', 'gnylan...@atlanticbb.net');>> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

You're almost certainly going to be on the nut for that. If you want to avoid that cost, delay your closing until after spring. commissioning. Or close and keep some kind of holdback pending sea trial. Of course, there are fewer degrees of freedom (for both parties) if you do this. Or, if the on

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another C&C. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

I have a short track on the cabin top of my 38 just aft of the foredeck hatch. The original baby stay was a fixed length with a shackle at the bottom that was attached to an old style Schaeffer car. And the car had a 4:1 line adjustment that was lead back to the cockpit. When I rerigged in

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

Joel, The babystay will keep the mast from pumping in heavy air. If it pumps hard enough, it will invert and then you will lose your mast. I use the babystay in winds over 12-14kts. In light air, it serves no purpose and catches the genoa all the time during tacks. Yes, I rebedded mine.

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Definitely NOT a 32. Leslie (I own one) From: Gary Nylander To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary -

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, Do your research. Do your own, thorough, preliminary survey. Look at recent market prices. Look at comparable boats and ask yourself why not this one instead. Look at sail inventory, engine, and drive train. The surveyor will probably not perform a detailed engine/drive train survey. C

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, Ditto the others' advice.  Make offer subject to survey.  Don't use the broker's surveyor. I personally wouldn't include instruments or bottom.  I'd rather deal directly with an instrument installer and a boat yard for the bottom.  I wouldn't want the broker in the middle of these if an

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

Re the instruments: from a buying perspective, any instruments older than a year should play a very minor part to none in the negotiations and new gear to come should not figure in the price at all. Keep it focused on the boat. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-26, at 19:22, Andrew

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

I would start out by offering the broker 40% of the current asking price, subject to your surveyor's survey & sea trail. Watch the broker's reaction and you should be able to clearly see just how far they are willing to go to sell you the boat without wasting a of of your time.. Also, ask fo

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, pretty much everything's negotiable. But the order to do is: negotiate before the survey, then make an offer "subject to survey." Don't use the broker's surveyor. Ask here for a recommendation. A broker should have a list of what other boats like yours have sold for, but I doubt the selling

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, Best of luck! One negotiates a price subject to survey and then re-negotiates based on those results. The broker can look up prior sales on soldboats.com and provide a printout. I would factor the cost of electronics in to the price, but they my be able to get you a better labor rate. Jo

Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips

David, Welcome to the list. I would suggest you negotiate a price, then do the survey. If things come up in the survey, you can negotiate down further. As for installation of instruments, I doubt you'll get anywhere with that as the dealer would most likely have to subcontract

Stus-List Boat buying tips

I am hoping to return to the C&C family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to procee

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

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Stus-List iRegatta polars

Hi, I have just purchased iRegatta and plan to start using it. The application allows one to input and export polar information. The developers website contains polars for some boats of which none are C&C's.See http://www.letscreate.dk/letscreate/?q=node/300 Would anyone have an i

Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates

Joel, as my Aussie friends would call 'em: "Mates rates" Andy C&C 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: > David, > > Thank you for bringing this up. I appreciate Andrew's concern, although I > would not have a problem with him promoting his model-making. It is a very

Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates

Thanks, David. I didn't want to abuse the hospitality here by getting all commercial. So here's the deal: For my fellow listers who want a half hull I'll offer a 25% discount on the prices on my web site: tridentstudio.com. Just mention the list when you place your order. Cheers Andy C&C 40 Pereg

Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates

David, Thank you for bringing this up. I appreciate Andrew's concern, although I would not have a problem with him promoting his model-making. It is a very cool skill, and he is a major contributor to the knowledge base that has developed. He is free to set his prices as he sees fit, and a "fri

Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates

After much activity about the half-hull topic, it became apparent that there is a pent up demand out there. And, in a rather round-about way I found out that our fellow-lister, Andrew Burton, is the half-model maker I/we have been speaking of. It seems Andrew was laying low to avoid taking

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

Yes, I have the tierod. And I like the idea of the Wichard padeye, that way there'd be nothing to get in the way when the babystay is off. Is that what you've done, David? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Risch wrote: > Andrew, > > Think about using a folding wichard padeye secured above

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

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Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

Andrew, Think about using a folding wichard padeye secured above the tie rod from deck to sole. You should have one. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:02:43 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay I've

Re: Stus-List C&C 25 shoal draft keel

The owner says he’s only had the boat two years and as far he knows the keel is original. Now that I think of it my ex had a 27 Mk11 (1983 I think) which was a shoal draft keel from the factory. Her’s wasn’t as competitive as the full keel versions. This guy says his boat points well but I don’t

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Yes thanks again Dwight. The latter is the option I intend to take. The fellow owns a similar boat I think it's a C&C 30 and gives lessons on it. We have had one "private" lesson on ours. We will have at least a couple more this season, the spinnaker will be a subject of some if this training

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Guess I should have read this one On 02/26/13, "Richard N. Bush" wrote: > Its at 29 Mark I model > > > Richard > > > Richard N. Bush Law Offices > > 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor > > Louisville, Kentucky 40202 > > 502-584-7255 > > > > > > -Original Message-

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Looks more like a 29 On 02/26/13, Curtis wrote: > I purchased my complete boat for this price. Up keep is hard. it would > be better to let someone pay for that on mine too. > > Appraisel > > > On 2/26/13, Joseph Bognar wrote: > > That boat is not a 30 ft C&C, It looks like a 32. 30's do not

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

I purchased my complete boat for this price. Up keep is hard. it would be better to let someone pay for that on mine too. Appraisel On 2/26/13, Joseph Bognar wrote: > That boat is not a 30 ft C&C, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept > back transom like that, > > > > Joe Bognar > > 1979

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Its at 29 Mark I model Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Sippel To: cnc-list Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal I’

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

I'll take 29ft for 100 Alex. Tim . Toronto From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

Turnbuckle. I'm not racing, so it can be pretty much fixed in place so the mast has a little prebend. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Joel Aronson

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

But it's not!!! Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: February 26, 2013 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Looks like a 30 MKII to me Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: February 26, 2013 2:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

No substitute for experience.either get on board another boat and learn more there or better still invite someone with experience to help on your boat if you can.once you know how and when to use your spinnaker you will love it and you will be very pleased with your sailing skills.best of fun to yo

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

Andrew, how would you adjust it without the track? Joel On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burton wrote: > I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a > pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else > done this? > Andy > C&C 40 >

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else done this? Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

It's not a 30-2 either, the companionway is all wrong, and the transom on mine has a panel that swings down with the swim ladder for stepping through that I don't see on this boat. Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 "Firewater" Milwaukee, WI On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "Neil Andersen" wrote: > Not a 3

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Wow. This sounds great. Our first time out we went to Pirates Cove. Good time there. Parking that behemoth in their slip in a light breeze was surprisingly challenging. I know its going to be a long road learning to handle something this size. Will file this too. Hope to see you in May.

Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay

The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the "tree trunk" mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babys

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 C&C 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Thanks Joel. I would like to see your rig this coming season. I'll file this info for later when we thaw out a bit. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: > Ron, > > Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others > on the list and drilled a h

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

I appreciate the concern Dwight. Indeed there would be just the two of us most often. I have great respect for these nature forces. Still I would like to use this if possible at least on occasion. I know an experienced sailor we can work with and see how feasible it is. Keeping a close watch

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Joel ought to know. It looks like it is parked right near his boat. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Gary Nylander wrote: > ** > Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. > Gary > > - Original Message - > *From:* Joseph Bognar > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Tues

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

The best advice I can give is do a little racing. You will learn all you want about spinnakers...and become a better sailor, too. Racing experience really helps when you're just cruising. Get on boats with both symmetric and asymmetric kites. Annapolis is a pretty good spot to start looking and peo

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft C&C, It looks like

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

I am over on Kent Island. I am sure we can meet up. If nothing else, show up at our CRYC Annual Regatta ☺ My wife likes the restaurants in Galesville, so maybe we can go down there one day and check out the sail. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of

Re: Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

That boat is not a 30 ft C&C, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 C&C 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: S

Stus-List 35/3 babystay

When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

I'll be on my boat most weekends doing work on her for the next month. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: > Ron, > > Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of > others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a > shackle. I

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Ron, Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a shackle. I have a snatch block that attaches to the tack and runs back to the cockpit. I can take pictures or show you my boat if you are close by.

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

We're on the Rhodes R just South of Annapolis. That would be great. No big hurry right now of course. We are going to haul 'n paint in March-April. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Della Barba, Joe" wrote: > Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

You would benefit from the help of skilled crew.no matter how you rig it unless you have the "know how" it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down "when the wind pipes up and things go crazy." That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the win

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie que

Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa

I consider your 35 MKI a relatively stiff boat, not as stiff as the 30 MKI but I am sure that sail does very nicely also up to about 15 apparent on your 35 MKI and in light air is well worth the handicap adjustment it carries.I have a seldom used fairly new looking light Dacron sail by Sobstad that

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 C&C mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This

Stus-List FYI - found this C&C 30 share deal

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Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa

I have 2 barely used 170s. They are both wonderful in light air, but being lazy I hardly ever feel like unrigging the furling genoa to use them. Here is what the mylar one looks like underway: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/mylar1.jpg I have another one that is real light Dacron. The mylar sai

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

You "throw the halyard overboard" Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shelquist Sent: February 26, 2013 12:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising

Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa

Especially useful sail on a stiffer boat like the 30 MKI, probably usable to 15 apparent on that boat Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker Sent: February 26, 2013 1

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

My take down process is the same as Joe's. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it's blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-b

Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa

The use of 170s was popular here in the midwest as well.  The old rule was to keep the power up front; use the biggest genoa and reef early.  With PHRF some switched to 165s so they wouldn't take the full hit.RonWild CheriC&C 30STL --- On Tue, 2/26/13, David Risch wrote: From: David Risch Sub

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Joe, we do just that done here in St. Michaels. The Herring Island Sailing Fleet has only one class of boat, so there are adjustments for the use of no spinnaker (15%) and for "cruising chutes" which must be tacked to the bow, no pole and no bowsprit (7 1/2 %). We have a few who take advantage o

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

Joe I use a line attached to the tack of the sail and lead that line back outside of the pulpit through a closed snap shackle on the bow to a mooring cleat. That way I can choose how high to set the tack which I believe allows an adjustment which provides closer to optimum airflow on the leadin

Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker

To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail fro

Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa

As a kid growing up on LIS we had 170s. Couldn't imagine wrastling with that thing now. David F. Risch 1981 40 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:02:18 -0500 From: kirksned...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Dying implies the