Re the instruments:  from a buying perspective, any instruments older than a 
year should play a very minor part to none in the negotiations and new gear to 
come should not figure in the price at all. Keep it focused on the boat. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-02-26, at 19:22, Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> wrote:

David, pretty much everything's negotiable. But the order to do is: negotiate 
before the survey, then make an offer "subject to survey." Don't use the 
broker's surveyor. Ask here for a recommendation. 
A broker should have a list of what other boats like yours have sold for, but I 
doubt the selling broker is the right one to ask.
I would expect to pay less for a boat without instruments and include the fact 
that you'll have to install them in the price. Maybe make the price you pay 
subject to the dealer getting you a good price on the gear you want.
As for the bottom, you can include a line in the deal that they prepare the 
bottom for the coming season, but be specific: ask that sand and spray the 
bottom with seven coats of fuschia Exoti-Coat then wet sand and burnish to 7 
million grit, or you'll just get a coat of bucket ends rolled on an hour before 
launch. Like anything on a boat, it'll just cost more.
negotiate hard. There are lots of boats on the market at the moment...though I 
understand that may change once people in NJ start getting insurance checks.
Cheers
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM, David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am hoping to return to the C&C family this season.  I have a 1990 34+ in my 
> sights that I will soon have surveyed etc.  Does one negotiate the price and 
> then survey or the other way around?  I am relatively inexperienced with the 
> buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to proceed.  Does one 
> negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around?  Can one find 
> out what similar boats have sold for over the past few years?  The boat is 
> owned by the brokerage as it was taken in trade on a new boat and I have the 
> impression I can negotiate hard on the price as they want to move it.   Are 
> there any specific issues to look out for with the 34+?    Are there things I 
> can ask them to do as part of the purchase?  For instance, the boat has GPS, 
> but lacks wind/speed instruments.  Can installing that be part of the 
> negotiation or does one just figure that kind of thing into the ownership 
> cost?  They are not a boat yard, but are associated with one nearby.  Also, 
> whose responsibility should it be to get the bottom ready for the new season? 
>  Any suggestions welcome.  Thanks- Dave
> 
> David Knecht
> 50 Farmstead Rd.
> Storrs, CT 06268
> 
> 
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