On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 11:06 -0500, Jim Maul wrote:
> > In fact, apache, a far more common application than ClamAV, requires
> > vastly more after-install configuration and management effort than does
> > ClamAV, so his premise is farcical.
> >
>
> Yes, but will it WORK without this after-instal
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 at 1:14:38 +, Stephen Gran wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 07:23:22PM -0500, Tom Metro said:
[...]
> > It would also be nice to see the project leaders show a better attitude
> > towards package maintainers. Not to say they necessarily have a poor
> > attitude towards th
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> Dennis Peterson
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> To: clamav-users@lists.clamav.net
> Subject: Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An
> appeal to package rs
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Gary V wrote:
Hmm, I wonder how many of the people who responded in one way or
another is actually familiar with the package in question. I have
been using Linux for a couple years now and have installed
thousands of packages. In genera
On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Gary V wrote:
Hmm, I wonder how many of the people who responded in one way or
another is actually familiar with the package in question. I
have been using Linux for a couple years now and have installed
thousands of packages. In general, I have not had any
On Nov 10, 2006, at 4:10 PM, jef moskot wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:07 AM, jef moskot wrote:
If some packages install without difficulty and others do not, then
how about we work together to bring the less efficient packages
in line
with the m
Hmm, I wonder how many of the people who responded in one way or another
is actually familiar with the package in question. I have been using
Linux for a couple years now and have installed thousands of packages. In
general, I have not had any problems navigating the package after it has
be
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:07 AM, jef moskot wrote:
> > If some packages install without difficulty and others do not, then
> > how about we work together to bring the less efficient packages in line
> > with the more effective ones?
>
> Now see, that's a
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Gary V wrote:
Ease of installation is valued by knowledgeable users also.
Yes, especially if they already know why it is working and how to
fix it if something goes wrong.
But you want a drop-in solution so you don't need to know
anything...how do you t
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:07 AM, jef moskot wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
What you're talking about is hassle...if it's too much hassle, you
move
on to something else. That's fine and dandy. But there are many
many
many people who are using, for example, ClamAV without
On Nov 10, 2006, at 11:17 AM, Jim Maul wrote:
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Daniel J McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 10:24 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Chris,
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006,
On Nov 10, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Jim Maul wrote:
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members
of this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I
consider comments such as Luca Gibelli
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Jim Maul wrote:
somebody else wrote:
Gee, I downloaded this package for clamav and installed it and now
there are all sorts of other things that still need to be done to get
it working correctly. Maybe clamav developers could work with the
packa
>
> Dennis Peterson wrote:
> > Jim Maul wrote:
> >> somebody else wrote:
> >>
> >> Gee, I downloaded this package for clamav and installed it and now
> >> there are all sorts of other things that still need to be done to get
> >> it working correctly. Maybe clamav developers could work with the
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Jim Maul wrote:
>
> Are they really no package maintainers on this list? I find that
> hard to believe. Is it really necessary to punish someone for
> thinking that maybe, just maybe, a message about clamav packages on
> the clamav-users list might
James Kosin wrote:
Like Dennis said "Bringing it all together is what the admin is for."
I disagree. There are some things which are the admin's job, but they
are not the catch-all for all unresolved burdens ("bringing it all
together").
Pardon my lecture, but lets review the root of ou
This thread reminds me of an old saying
Make it simple enough even an idiot can use it, and ONLY and idiot will use it.
Considering all the possabilites for installing Clamav, and intergrating it, I
wouldn't want to be near systems that the admin said "do it for me" to the
packagers.
Yes,
Ease of installation is valued by knowledgeable users also.
Yes, especially if they already know why it is working and how to fix it
if something goes wrong.
But you want a drop-in solution so you don't need to know anything...how
do you troubleshoot something when you don't know what i
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> What you're talking about is hassle...if it's too much hassle, you move
> on to something else. That's fine and dandy. But there are many many
> many people who are using, for example, ClamAV without throwing a fit
> because there's too much in the c
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Daniel J McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 10:24 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Chris,
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
My observation is that of
On Nov 9, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Jim Redman wrote:
Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal
members of this list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
His specific problem is he lacks the skill to install and manage
the product.
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Jim Maul wrote:
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members of
this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I consider
comments such as Luca Gibelli's, ban
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Daniel J McDonald wrote:
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 10:24 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Chris,
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
My observation is that of all the modern packages C
James Kosin wrote:
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Jim Maul wrote:
Maybe i missed it, but where in his original email did he ask anyone
to help him by doing something for him? From what i can see, he
didnt even ask for help at all. The way i took it was:
Gee, I downloaded this
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Jim Maul wrote:
> Maybe i missed it, but where in his original email did he ask anyone
> to help him by doing something for him? From what i can see, he
> didnt even ask for help at all. The way i took it was:
>
> Gee, I downloaded this package for
Jim Maul wrote:
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members of
this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I consider
comments such as Luca Gibelli's, bandwidth wasting, "We are
Bart Silverstrim wrote:
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members of
this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I consider
comments such as Luca Gibelli's, bandwidth wasting, "We are happy to
suffer
On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members
of this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I
consider comments such as Luca Gibelli's, bandwidth wasting, "We
are happy to suffer this loss." and Dennis
My god!
This topic hasn't been killed yet?!?
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>
> Dennis Peterson wrote:
> >> Jim Redman wrote:
> >>> Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal
> >>> members of this list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
> >
> > His specific problem is he lacks the skill to install and manage the
> > product.
>
> It's rather s
On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 07:23:22PM -0500, Tom Metro said:
> Dennis Peterson wrote:
> >>Jim Redman wrote:
> >>>Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal
> >>>members of this list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
> >
> >His specific problem is he lacks the skill to insta
tBB wrote:
I'm sorry for the probably "arrogant and insulting" tone but you're
literally asking for it.
Perhaps he is asking for it, but he's also right.
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Dennis Peterson wrote:
Jim Redman wrote:
Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal
members of this list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
His specific problem is he lacks the skill to install and manage the product.
It's rather sad to see that this elitist attitu
Jim Redman wrote:
> I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members of
> this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I consider
> comments such as Luca Gibelli's, bandwidth wasting, "We are happy to
> suffer this loss." and Dennis Peterson's "His specific problem is
> Maybe you need a different distro, that keeps things in default locations.
http://FreeBSD.org
-bryan
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Jim Redman wrote:
I no longer possess the desire to build Linux systems from scratch, or
to customize them so heavily that I cannot benefit from the work of
some of the greats in the community, although I may occasionally
humbly make suggestions that I think might be of benefit (some of
the
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Daniel J McDonald wrote:
> > > My observation is that of all the modern packages ClamAV fails to
> > > install and run successfully and securely without operator
> > > intervention. I think that this should be refined to reference
> > > Fedora packages and perhaps not al
On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 10:24 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
> > My observation is that of all the modern packages ClamAV fails to
> > install and
Folks,
I have to say, of all the lists I subscribe to, the vocal members of
this list are the most arrogant and insulting. However, I consider
comments such as Luca Gibelli's, bandwidth wasting, "We are happy to
suffer this loss." and Dennis Peterson's "His specific problem is he
lacks the s
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Steve,
Steve Holdoway wrote:
> You really do need to get out of the mindset that you don't
actually >need to know what you're doing to administer a server. It
is *NOT* a >trivial task, requires skills to support it, and years
of experience to
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Jim Redman wrote:
Chris,
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal
members of this
list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
I would disagree, in that I don't see i
John Rudd wrote:
> Dennis Peterson wrote:
> > > My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
> > >
> > > wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
> > > tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
> > > cd clamav-XXX
> > > configure --disable-zlib-vcheck
> > > make
> > > su
> > > make install
> > > service cl
John Rudd wrote:
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Bowie,
The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a
general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script.
F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start
to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and
Dennis Peterson wrote:
Bowie,
The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a
general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script.
F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start
to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and it took just minut
Dennis Peterson wrote:
My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
cd clamav-XXX
configure --disable-zlib-vcheck
make
su
make install
service clamav restart
service freshclam restart
You would be wise to uninstall the
>
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
>
> > Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of
> > this
> > list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
>
> I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering.
>
> Forgive me if I missed it, but what is your speci
>
> > If it runs out of cron it runs for just milli- seconds - other wise it is
> in the proc table
>
> Assuming of course that you don't end up with hundreds of spawned cron jons.
Run the following fc.sh script from cron every hour
#!/bin/sh
# usage: fc.sh [now]
# Any argument will bypass th
>
> > You would be wise to uninstall the previous installation so that you don't
> > end up with split versions. The man pages have not always been consistent
> > nor have library names, and uninstall (make uninstall) helps prevent this.
>
> This only serves to illustrate the OP's point.
>
I ag
Chris,
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of this
list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering.
Forgive me if I missed it, but w
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote:
> Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of this
> list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it.
I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering.
Forgive me if I missed it, but what is your specific problem ? Perhaps we
Steve,
Steve Holdoway wrote:
> You really do need to get out of the mindset that you don't actually
>need to know what you're doing to administer a server. It is *NOT* a
>trivial task, requires skills to support it, and years of experience
to >do it well.
Your opinions, seem to be the preval
Dennis Peterson wrote:
My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
cd clamav-XXX
configure --disable-zlib-vcheck
make
su
make install
service clamav restart
service freshclam restart
You would be wise to uninstall the
> If it runs out of cron it runs for just milli- seconds - other wise it is
in the proc table
Assuming of course that you don't end up with hundreds of spawned cron jons.
For some reason, I have seen more often than I care to think, multiple cron
jobs firing off freshclam and then not hanging up.
>
> Bowie,
>
> The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a
> general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script.
F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start
to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and it took just minutes. I have
10 m
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:43:11 -0700
Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bowie,
>
> Bowie Bailey wrote:
> > Hassle?
> >
> > My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
> >
> > wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
> > tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
> > cd clamav-XXX
> > configure --disa
Bowie,
Bowie Bailey wrote:
Hassle?
My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
cd clamav-XXX
configure --disable-zlib-vcheck
make
su
make install
service clamav restart
service freshclam restart
The obvious observatio
>
> My not-so-automated update process looks like this:
>
> wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz)
> tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz
> cd clamav-XXX
> configure --disable-zlib-vcheck
> make
> su
> make install
> service clamav restart
> service freshclam restart
>
You would be wise to uninstall the
Jim Redman wrote:
> James,
>
> James Kosin wrote:
> > Jim Redman wrote:
> > > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern
> > > package that fails to install and just work.
> > >
> > <<-- snip -->>
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. Clam
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