DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7858-7863

2017-06-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender Pend fee (sh.) > - > 7958* Aris, [1] 3.0 Assets v7 Aris 6 FOR. Aris, your commitment to making this happen is c

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3497 Judged FALSE by Aris

2017-06-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
> Judge's Arguments: > > I was considering playing along with this, but frankly, given > everything that's happened, I'm not in the mood. Even the caller has > practically admitted that this CFJ is frivolous (the message was > entitled "A little levity"). The only sensible reading of the rule is

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
I will typo all I want, and you will all like it. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 17:14 V.J Rada wrote: > And of course, egregious not agregious > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Proto Proposal: >> > AI = 4 >> > Title: When two becom

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread V.J Rada
And of course, egregious not agregious On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Proto Proposal: > > AI = 4 > > Title: When two become one > > Rule: 'A short list of things that are too agregious to even attempt' > > Doing any of the followin

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Aris Merchant
> Proto Proposal: > AI = 4 > Title: When two become one > Rule: 'A short list of things that are too agregious to even attempt' > Doing any of the following is `Treating Agora Right Bad Forever` and are > bannable offenses: > - A single person attempting to register as two players > > If a person i

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3526 assigned to o

2017-06-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-06-14 at 09:49 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > I retract any CFJs that are not the first one I just called, if they > exist. Oh. If there were three separate CFJs, I actually assigned the third one, I think (on the assumption that it would have the best formatting). So you'll need to retract

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 16:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > "Purport:  appear or claim to be or do something, especially > falsely; profess." > > which is exactly what I did. > > In other words, to "purport" is literally to SID. You didn't claim it was part of the Registrar's Report. You claimed you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 09:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > All sorts of titles for omd (in caller's arguments): > > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3422 > > I've just noticed that the gratuitous arguments by me in CFJ 3422 have, > in th

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 10:41 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Therefore,  I purport the following document is part of the Registrar's > > Weekly Report: > > ISIDTID. I don't believe you actually purported that the document was > part of the Registrar's weekl

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 23:01 +, Quazie wrote: > All valid feedback.  I feel like a high AI showed the gravity of the > offense, and i'm just throwing the idea out there - i'll wait until > Criminal Cases are re-established before i go further Technically speaking you can put the AI above the ru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 09:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > All sorts of titles for omd (in caller's arguments): > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3422 I've just noticed that the gratuitous arguments by me in CFJ 3422 have, in the Court record, an additional line labelling them as

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 4:00 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > > Proto Proposal:AI = 4 > > power below ratification please; not sure why it needs higher power... > > > Title: When two become one > > Rule: 'A short list of things that are too agregious to even attemp

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > Proto Proposal:AI = 4 power below ratification please; not sure why it needs higher power... > Title: When two become one > Rule: 'A short list of things that are too agregious to even attempt' > Doing any of the following is `Treating Agora Right Bad Foreve

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > > It... seems extremely easy to just make more emails and have a bunch of > sockpuppets. > > Has it been an issue in the past? There doesn't seem to be any direct > measures against it. > > We've had

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > When Alexis re-registered, e didn't *tell* people e used to be scshunt, e let > people assume that for the Ribbon ratification. E was very, very careful > there, > and only let it last as long as absolutely necessary for that (and of course, > e > was

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > It... seems extremely easy to just make more emails and have a bunch of > sockpuppets. > Has it been an issue in the past? There doesn't seem to be any direct > measures against it. We've had more explicit rules against it before. Right now, if you wer

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
It broke the game a lot and was pretty rough, please do not do that. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 3:07 PM V.J Rada wrote: > Yes, one time somebody pretended to be two people, got several offices > etc, then deregistered and revealed they were the same person all along. > Honour system though guys. IG

Re: DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread V.J Rada
Yes, one time somebody pretended to be two people, got several offices etc, then deregistered and revealed they were the same person all along. Honour system though guys. IGMEOY. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > It... seems extremely easy to just make more emails and have a b

DIS: 1 person playing as many players?

2017-06-13 Thread CuddleBeam
It... seems extremely easy to just make more emails and have a bunch of sockpuppets. Has it been an issue in the past? There doesn't seem to be any direct measures against it.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > > "I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For > clear > > reasons, let's see what happens though" > > Oh, sorry, been lazy signing messages lately. G. is my nickname. -G. > >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > "I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear > reasons, let's see what happens though" Oh, sorry, been lazy signing messages lately. G. is my nickname. -G.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:16 PM V.J Rada wrote: > I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear > reasons, let's see what happens though. > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: >> > 1 - Current rules are

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread V.J Rada
I Point My Finger at um... what's your nickname? Kerim, anyway. For clear reasons, let's see what happens though. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > > 1 - Current rules are certainly not handled by 10 year old CFJs... BUT2 > - A non-pla

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 1:48 PM, "Quazie" wrote: On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:22 AM grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > Forgive me if I'm wrong but: since agencies cause the President of the > agency to

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:22 AM grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > Forgive me if I'm wrong but: since agencies cause the President of the > agency to perform > > the action, the person doesn't

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Forgive me if I'm wrong but: since agencies cause the President of the agency to perform > the action, the person doesn't perform the action but rather the President. So person > acting through an ag

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Forgive me if I'm wrong but: since agencies cause the President of the agency > to perform > the action, the person doesn't perform the action but rather the President. > So person > acting through an agency might compel a player to perform a S

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 12:32 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > We have: [CFJ 1709 (called 26 July 2007): The rules are binding on all those > who play the game in the broader sense, regardless of whether they > have the rule-defined status of "player".] > > And then in

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > We have: [CFJ 1709 (called 26 July 2007): The rules are binding on all those > who play the game in the broader sense, regardless of whether they > have the rule-defined status of "player".] > > And then in R869: "The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
1 - Current rules are certainly not handled by 10 year old CFJs... BUT 2 - A non-player interacting with the game can't be compelled to act, but if they do act they are wilfully agreeing and can be bound by the rules - meaning they can't just do illegal things and have them succeed, as they are `pl

DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread CuddleBeam
We have: [CFJ 1709 (called 26 July 2007): The rules are binding on all those who play the game in the broader sense, regardless of whether they have the rule-defined status of "player".] And then in R869: "The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that person's wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Quazie wrote: > In fact, I think Gaelan is legally a Ninny as of the most recently resolved > proposals? It is Known.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
In fact, I think Gaelan is legally a Ninny as of the most recently resolved proposals? On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:33 Quazie wrote: > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:32 Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: >> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Quazie wrote: >> > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 09:32 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Quazie wrote: > > > SnuggleWand could've indeed - the CFJ is indeed in a peculiar mess, > which is > > > why I recently introduced recusal, so if someone gets a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Quazie wrote: > > SnuggleWand could've indeed - the CFJ is indeed in a peculiar mess, which is > > why I recently introduced recusal, so if someone gets a case they just don't > > wanna deal with (which happened to Pud

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Point the Finger

2017-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
DoggleBoon posted the following: > https://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034886.html which directly purported to be the Judgement on 3509. E listed the wrong statement, but that should not distract from a clear expression of 3509: DISMISS being delivered.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Point the Finger

2017-06-13 Thread Quazie
CFJs are judged on their truth value at call time. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 08:35 CuddleBeam wrote: > This may help: > http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg07962.html > > >On Mon, 2017-05-22 at 19:20 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> I CFJ on these statements: > >> > >> “Any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Point the Finger

2017-06-13 Thread CuddleBeam
This may help: http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg07962.html >On Mon, 2017-05-22 at 19:20 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> I CFJ on these statements: >> >> “Any player may take the office of Rulekeepor with 2 support.” [i.e. >> I got a pink slip] >> “o committed a cardable

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I Point the Finger

2017-06-13 Thread CuddleBeam
I actually never gave formal judgement. I don't know why people think I've DIMISSED it or broken my pledge. Please link to me where I've explicitly given Judgement. I also agree with that I should be yellow-carded, but for simple negligence of not doing what I was supposed to (give Judgement), bu

DIS: Re: BUS: I Point the Finger

2017-06-13 Thread Aris Merchant
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:38 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > I Point the Finger at Cuddlebeam. On 25 May he said "I pledge to not > submit Judgement on CFJ 3509." > (https://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034882.html). > On that very same date, he did. > (https://www.agor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-13 Thread Aris Merchant
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Quazie wrote: > SnuggleWand could've indeed - the CFJ is indeed in a peculiar mess, which is > why I recently introduced recusal, so if someone gets a case they just don't > wanna deal with (which happened to PuddleGleam here) then ey can recuse > themselves inste

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7858-7863

2017-06-13 Thread Aris Merchant
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Question: does Aris's announcement of intent "identify a lack" as per > R107 and kill the decision just by being intended? I can see arguments > on both sides of that one, but definitely *don't* want to muck it up with > a CFJ before some di