Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-12 Thread Quazie
SnuggleWand could've indeed - the CFJ is indeed in a peculiar mess, which is why I recently introduced recusal, so if someone gets a case they just don't wanna deal with (which happened to PuddleGleam here) then ey can recuse themselves instead of holding up the judicial system. V.J. - It might be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-12 Thread V.J Rada
Apologies for the triple-post, but CB could have just expressed disinterest in the darn thing. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:01 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > This message is just for the convenience of those not caught up, as I > was not. > > Oh dear God just read the full mess. CB (this is a valid nickname

DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-12 Thread V.J Rada
This message is just for the convenience of those not caught up, as I was not. Oh dear God just read the full mess. CB (this is a valid nickname, don't even think about it) submitted a message *pledging* not to submit judgement. Gaelan then attempted to ratify a document stating that 3509 was judg

DIS: Re: BUS: Mess in CFJ 3509 (attn: Cuddlebeam)

2017-06-12 Thread V.J Rada
Is it legal to move for you to reconsider your own judgement and then not judge it? I feel like this should be counted as a refusal to reconsider and we should thus count the original judgement (and Moot it if necessary). On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:47 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > I'm not going to give

Re: DIS: Proto: An Alternative Shiny Economy

2017-06-12 Thread Nic Evans
It definitely should be. Good catch. On 06/12/2017 08:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I like this, but maybe the “10 different players” could be “10 different persons” to handle stamps granted before deregistration. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gm

Re: DIS: Proto: An Alternative Shiny Economy

2017-06-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I like this, but maybe the “10 different players” could be “10 different persons” to handle stamps granted before deregistration. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Shinies are a bit tedious right now, a

DIS: Proto: An Alternative Shiny Economy

2017-06-12 Thread Nic Evans
Shinies are a bit tedious right now, and they aren't getting much usage. What little usage they are getting isn't really interesting and almost feels like a punishment for players trying to do good for the game. It's also difficult to keep track of - I'd hazard that only the Secretary has any r

Re: Re: Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread CuddleBeam
>The proposal things Maybe its just me but I'm not particularly motivated to make proposals. Its a bit because of Adam Smith-like economics and personal greed I guess. I know that using my shinies to make proposals myself will likely result in those shinies being used woefully inefficiently (in c

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7858-7863

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 22:41 +, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Grr. My fault. Will anyone mind if I ratify this away? Only way I can think > > of fixing it, so I'm going to try. I intend, without objection, to ratify > > the following document: {{The proposal

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7858-7863

2017-06-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I concur with ais523. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 22:41 +, Aris Merchant wrote: >> Grr. My fault. Will anyone mind if I ratify this away? Only way I can think >> of fixin

Re: Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
The proposal things are meant to be bonuses not penalties; allowing you to pend w/support where non-newbs would have to pay. It was the CFJs that prompted it, but I was listing a bigger range of ways we'd used in the past to *either* encourage or slow down new players. The CFJ part doesn't have

Re: Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread V.J Rada
Thank you for the line break thing; I absolutely remember reading it before but forgot. I'm not sure why the Proposal conditions are there when combating CFJs is the issue. I also think that the "non-newbie support" thing is OK, but might stop a burst of activity similar to the one we've just seen

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7858-7863

2017-06-12 Thread Quazie
7958? This is good because 7858 is indeed a proposal already, but the out of order numbering is confusing. Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM Quazie wrote: > >> ID Author(s) AI Title Pender Pend fee >> (sh.) >>

Re: Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread CuddleBeam
>vexatious CFJs I think part of the motivation for player to do those CFJs is to get guaranteed, safe information without any risk of would-be social hurdles. Its like going to the government office of information for information which seems that it should be very professional and helpful, instea

Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > I think this would be good. It might help to note that my main motivation > for CFJs (and maybe for others) is that while I know I can informally ask > for help, CFJing just seems to be a strictly better choice as it's the same > thing, except its now tot

Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
I don't think requiring someone to ask for support is "crippling", and I think vexatious designations are overly antagonistic. Especially when we want to consider things like teaching format (e.g., when conducting official business, to not post lines as you did below; rather, put hard line bre

Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread CuddleBeam
I think this would be good. It might help to note that my main motivation for CFJs (and maybe for others) is that while I know I can informally ask for help, CFJing just seems to be a strictly better choice as it's the same thing, except its now totally official too. I feel pretty vulnerable at fir

Re: DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread V.J Rada
Could we just have vexatious litigant category w/out crippling newbies' ability to do things for two months? Vested interest here I guess but I would just have something like "The Arbitor, without 2 objection from players other than the designee, may designate a player as a vexatious litigant. Vex

DIS: new player limits and bonuses

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
We used to have a "newbie" category that lasted at least a month. [This is inspired by CuddleBeam's recent CFJ, but not just because of that, CuddleBeam, there are several instances in the archives of new players putting forth a lot of CFJs, so not just you...]. Possibilities: - Newbie is a p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?

2017-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > I retracted it, sorry. I looked through the CFJ history and couldn't find > anything relevant (maybe I didn't search for the right thing though) but > I'm glad to know that its alright. There's not one *combining* nicknames and capitalization that I can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?

2017-06-12 Thread CuddleBeam
I retracted it, sorry. I looked through the CFJ history and couldn't find anything relevant (maybe I didn't search for the right thing though) but I'm glad to know that its alright.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?

2017-06-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 20:28 +, Quazie wrote: > This is trivially True. > This is True without the disclaimer, but it's even more True with it. > > This isn't an interesting CFJ, but it's still True. > > -quazie, Quazie, or quaZie even - it's still obviously me. It's worth noting that nicknam

DIS: Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?

2017-06-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 22:24 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: > I CFJ the following: ""Cuddlebeam" and "CuddleBeam" are both valid ways to > write the name of the Player that initiated this CFJ." > > If it helps, I wish for Cuddlebeam and CuddleBeam to both be valid ways to > write my Player name, and if n

DIS: Re: BUS: Cuddlebeam = CuddleBeam?

2017-06-12 Thread Quazie
This is trivially True. This is True without the disclaimer, but it's even more True with it. This isn't an interesting CFJ, but it's still True. -quazie, Quazie, or quaZie even - it's still obviously me. On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:24 PM CuddleBeam wrote: > I CFJ the following: ""Cuddlebeam" an