Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Direct consequences of taking an unbribable action or not performing that action are secured by this rule to be those defined by the rule that defines the unbribable action in question.

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
erm, rules to the contrary notwithstanding

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Protoproposal "Unbribed Actions" AI=3 II=3 > > "Bribability " is a switch on game actions performable by first-class > players. Options are bribable (default) and unbribable. Changes to > bribability are secured. If a > first-c

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Protoproposal "Unbribed Actions" AI=3 II=3 "Bribable " is a switch on game actions performable by first-class players. Options are bribable (default) and unbribable. If a first-class player breaks a rule by performing an unbribable action, or not performing an unbribable action, and a differen

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Protoproposal "Unbribed Actions" AI=3 II=3 "Bribable " is a switch on game actions performable by first-class players. Options are bribable (default) and unbribable. If a first-class player breaks a rule by performing an unbribable action, or not performing an unbribable action, and a different fi

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Maybe if a rule tells someone that they must do something like vote a certain way on a democratic question, if a criminal CFJ is called against that person, they are EXCUSED, or maybe a new judgement..

DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: >> {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} > > You've gotten into the sa

DIS: Re: BUS: "Sorry!" Says BobTHJ. "I pledge..."

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I submit the following on behalf of BobTHJ with respect to eir obligations > on CFJ 2020, as authorized by the Vote Market Contract. -Goethe > > In many worlds, perhaps in an ideal one, I would have handled the matter of >

Re: DIS: So R1922's history is wrong, and the state of that rule has been wrong since 2005...

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: > I don't know if I'm missing something, but R1992 seems to be out of > sync accorind to this. The Rulekeepor Memo for the proposal said it worked, but it looks like it was never added. While it may have been left out (v. sad!), Proposal 4865, adopted 28-Aug-06

Re: DIS: So R1922's history is wrong, and the state of that rule has been wrong since 2005...

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So long ago (May 5 2005) a proposal passed, specifically proposal 4736. > > This proposal's text can be found here > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2005-April/004245.html > > the fact that it pass

DIS: So R1922's history is wrong, and the state of that rule has been wrong since 2005...

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
So long ago (May 5 2005) a proposal passed, specifically proposal 4736. This proposal's text can be found here http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2005-April/004245.html the fact that it passed can be found here http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? > No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to > not vote on any democratic decision. > This is against the Spirit of the Game, I think.

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? >> No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to >> not vote on any democratic d

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? >> No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to >> not vote on any democratic d

RE: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? > No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to > not vote on any democratic decision. > I fear that this is going to be buggy no matter what you do. Imagine a

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? > No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to > not vote on any democratic decision. > Erm, replace "person" with "first-class player"

DIS: Re: BUS: Hmm....

2008-06-27 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: I create and agree to the following pledge titled "Agoran Slavery": { 1. This is a pledge titled Agoran Slavery. Every

DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Proposal titled "Defend Democracy!" AI>=1.5 II=? No agreement is allowed to force a person to vote a certain way or to not vote on any democratic decision.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
I knew about Agora for a long time, not sure where I first heard about Nomic. Somewhat recently, I was invited into IRCnomic, and recent discussions in the channel that used to host ircnomic got me interested in Agora again..

RE: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
BobTHJ wrote: > Care to specify what you think is going wrong and propose a fix? I can't think of a fix right now, although I do have some ideas. First, as we're seeing at the moment, is the unbalancing issues that a large VP trade can cause. (I'm thinking of comex losing all eir VP, and spending a

DIS: Re: And the winner is.... (Agoran Proposal Awards report)

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I attempt to award points as follows: > comex - 15 points > ais523 - 10 points > Quazie - 1 point > Pavitra - 1 point As far as I can tell Pavitra is not a party to the Agoran Proposal Awards (or did I miss it?) therefore I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2008-06-27 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Quazie wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Per Rule 869, I register as a player. Welcome Sgeo. May your registration be uneventful (if that is what you so desire). Welcome to the game, Sgeo! - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM Osca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Quazie wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMA

Re: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Do we really >>> have to treat every contract action as if we were trying to make a wish >>> with a twisted genie? It's really rather tiresome. >> Well as far as I can tell

Re: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goethe wrote: >> Yes. The fact that you felt the need, in the initial attempt, to give a >> long-winded explanation of your phrase-interpretation, should be prima >> facie evidence for a judge that you knew that your int

RE: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > Yes. The fact that you felt the need, in the initial attempt, to give a > long-winded explanation of your phrase-interpretation, should be prima > facie evidence for a judge that you knew that your interpretation wasn't > what BobTHJ intended, and you knew that it might not be w

RE: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Goethe: >> I read the ticket 4 times and each time came up with the wording >> BobTHJ intended, not the one you inferred. Even if yours seemed >> a little more natural to you, the good faith and common sense that >> are the cornerstone of equity shoul

DIS: Re: BUS: Hmm....

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I create and agree to the following pledge titled "Agoran Slavery": No.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2047 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > With the majority consent of the Dons I de-protect this CFJ. > > I judge FALSE. > > BobTHJ > Your judicial corruption is going well, I see. ehird

RE: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe: > I read the ticket 4 times and each time came up with the wording > BobTHJ intended, not the one you inferred. Even if yours seemed > a little more natural to you, the good faith and common sense that > are the cornerstone of equity should have suggested BobTHJ meant > the other way. -G

RE: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
BobTHJ wrote: > I suppose if this is judged TRUE you owe me votes on 27 future proposals. Yes, but I'm willing to consider deals in which I would refund much of the scammed VP in exchange for being released from most of the obligations (that or BobTHJ pledging not to exercise them, which comes to m

Re: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Well, in that case: there are at least 28 players (I'm not counting > ehrid or the Left Hand in that count because their registration stati > are in doubt), and that ticket has been filled once, so it can be filled > a further 27 times. I therefore fi

Re: DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: >> Buy Ticket >> Cost: A number of VP equal to 1/3 (rounded down) of the filler's >> current Voting Limit on Ordinary proposals. >> Action: Vote in the manner specified by me on a future proposal of my >> ch

DIS: RE: Ticket

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
BobTHJ wrote: > Buy Ticket > Cost: A number of VP equal to 1/3 (rounded down) of the filler's > current Voting Limit on Ordinary proposals. > Action: Vote in the manner specified by me on a future proposal of my > choice. This ticket may be filled multiple times (a maximum of once > per each player

DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I post the following Sell Ticket: > > Cost: 1VP > Action: Vote in the manner specified by the filler on any 3 specified > proposals. Sheesh, the bottom really is dropping out of the market. Shows how difficult a "hard limit" rule may be to keep. -G

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> If you ask me Vote Market is finally starting to act as it was envisioned. >> >> Fair enough. I'm happy enough to be required to keep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: >> Goethe wrote: >>> By the way, does OBLIGATED in all caps have any meaning other than >>> the standard definition of the word (not in all-caps)? I can't find it. >>> (This is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> If you ask me Vote Market is finally starting to act as it was envisioned. > > Fair enough. I'm happy enough to be required to keep offering things > for sale when I'm below 50, b

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Goethe wrote: >> By the way, does OBLIGATED in all caps have any meaning other than >> the standard definition of the word (not in all-caps)? I can't find it. >> (This isn't a prelude to trying to weasel out of anything, I'm just >> curious if I'm mi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > If you ask me Vote Market is finally starting to act as it was envisioned. Fair enough. I'm happy enough to be required to keep offering things for sale when I'm below 50, but if no one accepts even at the cheapest price after good faith effort, that sho

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > By the way, does OBLIGATED in all caps have any meaning other than > the standard definition of the word (not in all-caps)? I can't find it. > (This isn't a prelude to trying to weasel out of anything, I'm just > curious if I'm missing something somewhere). I thought it was in M

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > Actually, there has been more Vote Market activity in the past month > then in the six months previously. There have certainly been > opportunities to gain VP, and there presently exist at least 10 open > tickets. Just not much of it has been for the buyin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Actually, there has been more Vote Market activity in the past month >> then in the six months previously. There have certainly been >> opportunities to gain VP, and there presentl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > Actually, there has been more Vote Market activity in the past month > then in the six months previously. There have certainly been > opportunities to gain VP, and there presently exist at least 10 open > tickets. Just not much of it has been for the buyin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: >> Where in the rules are Gratuitous arguments described... it seems like >> it is custom and not rule. > > It is wholly custom. In fact, while R2205 says that arguments SHOULD > be pres

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: > Where in the rules are Gratuitous arguments described... it seems like > it is custom and not rule. It is wholly custom. In fact, while R2205 says that arguments SHOULD be presented, there's nothing to say that the CotC has to publish or report *any* of it (I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Elliott Hird >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: It's already a cont

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> It's already a contest. >> >> Ironic. >> > > Proto-proposal: rename "contests" to something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> It's already a contest. > > Ironic. > Proto-proposal: rename "contests" to something that doesn't share most of the same letters with "contracts"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I join the PRS. >> >> 2008/6/27 Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I intend to make the Points Relay Service a contract with myself as >>> contest

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It's already a contest. Ironic.

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the PRS. > > 2008/6/27 Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I intend to make the Points Relay Service a contract with myself as >> contestmaster without three objections. >> > > I object. > > I intend to make the Points Rel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > >> I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: >> {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} >> -- >> ais523 > > Gratuitous: If CFJ 1895 is fo

DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: > {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} > -- > ais523 Gratuitous: If CFJ 1895 is followed, filing something on behalf of ehird is not the same as ehird filing something

DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: >> {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} >> -- >> ais523 >> > > You've gotten into the same I probl

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the PRS. > > 2008/6/27 Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I intend to make the Points Relay Service a contract with myself as >> contestmaster without three objections. >> > > I object. > > I intend to make the Points Re

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: >> {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} > > Why? > Testing 'I' in on-behalf actions, says

DIS: Re: BUS: More on-behalf-of CFJs

2008-06-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I perform the following action on behalf of ehird: > {{{I file a CFJ on the statement "This CFJ was filed by ehird".}}} Why?

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Points Relay Service - unofficial report

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:20 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the Points Relay Service. > > I request a cashout of 5 PV. The PRS is not a contest yet (comex never finished turning it into one) so you can't cash-out yet. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I might be wrong, but don't reports traditionally go in OFF? > > It is equally effective to send a report to agora-business as to > agora-official, and i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: >>> On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us

Re: DIS: Price?

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:59 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm about to post a simple contract that will let anyone buy my votes > on anything without me actually having to remember to create Sell > Tickets. I would do this already, but I'm not sure... > > What should the price be, to fac

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: >> On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us >>> both above the limit for an instant? We could d

DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I post the following Buy Ticket: > Action: Transfer 20 VP to Pavitra. > Cost: 19 VP. > Target: comex. > > [This will raise your VP to 50 temporarily, giving you another two > months to get it there in a more stable fashion.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More specifically: The contract originally known as Teh Cltohed Mna [1] > and renamed to ehrid [2] contains an explicit list of its members, > titled the Manroster. Actually, the contract doesn't claim the Manroster is a list

DIS: Re: BUS: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
I agree with and to these changes.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2008/6/27 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to >> deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly. >> >> > > But the Manroster contains a non-player (me). The contract states > it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2008/6/27 Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, >> the official membership list doesn't change until the change is >> published (R2178). -Goethe > > The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. More speci

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Goethe wrote: >> Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, >> the official membership list doesn't change until the change is >> published (R2178). > > No, it was internal state of a public contract, but not state that > appea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In that case, ehrid still has two partners, so the attempts to > deregister it were unsuccessful. Updating records accordingly. > > But the Manroster contains a non-player (me). The contract states it is a list of players. ??? ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree to this contract. If there are any such ordinary decisions > that I can attempt to change to democratic, I do so with 2 support. If > there are any current attempts to change an ordinary decision to > democratic that I can s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Goethe wrote: >>> The contract mentioned in the CFJ, at the time it was filed, had the >>> following text: >>> >>> {{{ >>> There is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree to this contract. If there are any such ordinary decisions > that I can attempt to change to democratic, I do so with 2 support. If > there are any current attempts to change an ordinary decision to > democratic that I can support, I do so. > NttPF eh

Re: DIS: RE: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hmm... a contract that imposes no obligations on you, but which you > expect players to join? > -- > ais523 > Hey, I'm hopeful that I'll be a player soon... ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
I agree to this contract. If there are any such ordinary decisions that I can attempt to change to democratic, I do so with 2 support. If there are any current attempts to change an ordinary decision to democratic that I can support, I do so.

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
ehird wrote: > The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. Not even that, the contract states the existence of such a list and its initial value, but not its current state. So its a list in the internal gamestate of the mna contract. -- ais523 <>

DIS: RE: The Democratic Revolutionaries

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
ehird wrote: > I agree to the following, titled "The Democratic Revolutionaries": Hmm... a contract that imposes no obligations on you, but which you expect players to join? -- ais523 <>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, > the official membership list doesn't change until the change is > published (R2178). -Goethe The Manroster is just a list in the ehrid/mna contract. ehird

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > Was Manroster a public contract? I've lost track of that. If so, > the official membership list doesn't change until the change is > published (R2178). No, it was internal state of a public contract, but not state that appeared in the text of that contract. -- ais523 <>

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Evidence on CFJ 2046: > > comex wrote: >> Actually, if I deregistered ehird before e attempted to change the >> Manroster, ehird was no longer a player in the Manroster, so e was not >> able to change it. > Ah, good catch. In that case, I may have been

DIS: RE: Re: BUS: Saving ehird

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Sgeo wrote: > Maybe the proposal should explicitly override R869.. There's no conflict, ehird isn't registering emself, the proposal's registering em. -- ais523 <>

DIS: Re: BUS: Saving ehird

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Maybe the proposal should explicitly override R869..

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: registration

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ais523 wrote: > >> Murphy wrote: >>> ehird, I inform you of this case (2048) and invite you to rebut the >>> argument against your guilt. >> Aren't you supposed to invite em to rebut the argument in favour of >> eir guilt? > > Sorry, yes, I invite ehird to

DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > comex wrote: > >> I initiate a criminal case against ehird, for violating Rule 2149 by >> saying that e joins. In fact, as e knew, the statement was >> ineffective (because e deregistered less than thirty days prior to >> it), so e did not join at any tim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/27 Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ehird wrote: >> With 2 support I intend to bah. > I support. > I support. > -- > ais523 > Having recieved the neccessary support, I bah. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Goethe wrote: >> The contract mentioned in the CFJ, at the time it was filed, had the >> following text: >> >> {{{ >> There is a list of players called

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread comex
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goethe wrote: > The contract mentioned in the CFJ, at the time it was filed, had the > following text: > > {{{ > There is a list of players called the Manroster. The Manroster is > initially ehird and ihope. Any player in

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 2049

2008-06-27 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judgement: TRUE > > Arguments: > > Event E1 = ehird creates a contract containing the claause "Anything may > act on behalf of ehird by announcement" > E2 = comex acted on ehird's behalf to cause em to deregis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Verification

2008-06-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gmail says that this was sent 1 hour ago, but I confirmed my IRC > identity with Alexander just some minutes ago.. I think Alexander is a > time traveler >.> Umm, Gmail tells me eir message was sent 5 minutes ago. Sounds like a t

DIS: Re: BUS: Verification

2008-06-27 Thread Sgeo
Gmail says that this was sent 1 hour ago, but I confirmed my IRC identity with Alexander just some minutes ago.. I think Alexander is a time traveler >.>

DIS: RE: BUS: registration

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Murphy wrote: > ehird, I inform you of this case (2048) and invite you to rebut the > argument against your guilt. Aren't you supposed to invite em to rebut the argument in favour of eir guilt? -- ais523 <>

Re: DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5556-5563

2008-06-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > Murphy wrote: >> Not that it affects the results, but I recorded ais523 as voting >> 4P, 4P, P (rather than 4A, 4A, A) on 5559 through 5561. May have >> been a typo on my part. Would someone mind checking? > > According to my sent items, I voted 4A, 4A, A. Confirmed via archive

DIS: RE: Contract: The Agoran Civil Service Union

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Wooble wrote: > I agree to be bound by the following, which becomes a contract when > another officer agrees to it. Interesting idea. However, it's not obvious what it's meant to accomplish to me; also, you should probably make salaries depend on whether reports were done on time. The contract seem

DIS: Re: BUS: Holidays are sacred

2008-06-27 Thread ihope
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um, can I make ihope a co-author? Rule 106: "A person is a co-author of a proposal if and only if e is distinct from its author, and unambiguously identified by its author as being its co-author at the time of submission." You'll h

DIS: RE: I register

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
I know the real Sgeo through other forums, so I'll try to contact em later today to verify that it is em, rather than ehird pretending (which I doubt at this point, but just to be sure...) Sgeo has been a watcher for a while IIRC. -- ais523 <>

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2008/6/26 Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> H. Notary, as "ehrid" is/was (apparently) a public contract, can you confirm >>> the text and membership in the PF? -Goethe >> >> H. Notary is ais523, and he has root on that server. (So do I

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
ehird wrote: > With 2 support I intend to bah. I support. I support. -- ais523 <>

DIS: RE: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5556-5563

2008-06-27 Thread Alexander Smith
Murphy wrote: > Not that it affects the results, but I recorded ais523 as voting > 4P, 4P, P (rather than 4A, 4A, A) on 5559 through 5561. May have > been a typo on my part. Would someone mind checking? According to my sent items, I voted 4A, 4A, A. -- ais532 <>

DIS: Re: BUS: Can I vote?

2008-06-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: > Is it too late for me to vote FORx4 on 5565? As far as I can tell, I > should have joined before the voting period in order to vote for that :/ Right. From Rule 2156: The eligible voters on an ordinary decision are those entities that were active players at the start o

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