Not sure about Iota, but Alpha as an architecture name is a likely
source of confusion that would be nice to avoid.
How easy to mistake an alpha release as a release for Alpha? Not to
metion alpha releases for Alpha...
It makes me wonder what the conversations would be like if the company
A
Most current asymmetric cryptography (public key) is vulnerable to
various forms of attacks from quantum computers of a threshold size, not
yet achieved but potentially feasible to see happen in the
not-too-distant future.
Symmetric ciphers (ex. AES, twofish) are generally more resistant.
As
I view these driver identifier characters as being roughly the
equivalent of the major device numbers used in UNIX/Linux systems behind
the scenes, commonly accessed via the files under the /dev heirarchy.
I don't think those numbers are really standardized either.
On 2/22/25 04:10, tlaro...@
Two questions I am wondering about:
1. Is this still limited to x86 only, as I think was suggested on an
earlier thread related to this effort, or has it been generalized to
work across other CPU architectures?
2. As this evidently needs to be "enabled" by configuring processors to
act as A
Apple Silicon chips may be an interesting counter-example to your view
of the architecture. They work directly from system memory; data is not
copied between different sets of memory or different areas in memory to
make it available to the GPU. Consequently the CPU and GPU work
together much
I use it (in my 9front Pi cluster). Works for me.
It could probably use some improvement in terms of tools for managing
the stored keys, plus I never figured out how to avoid needing to enter
my secstore password twice instead of just once every time I log in, but
it's not exactly broken.
One thing to bear in mind is that it is not just the compiler you need
to get working for a given language, but the runtime environment as well.
If the porting work did not cover the runtime libraries for those
languages, you may still have some work to do for that.
On 12/11/24 03:44, mouad-
That strategy worked particularly well on BeOS, which had database-like
indexed extended attributes in its native filesystem.
Individual "People" files basically stored all of the individual fields
(phone number, etc.) as extended attributes of the files and they were
indexed by the filesystem
I for one have received quite a bit of help from this and the related
9front mailing list when I was getting started with 9front, but then I
had more targeted questions as I had been doing what I could with
reading man pages and other available documentation and mostly needed to
fill in a few g
I'm not sure what the prevailing wisdom on this is at this time, but for
whatever it may be worth[less], my own small cluster I have set up with
a separate host owner per system role (one for the file server, one for
the auth server, and one used by both of my CPU servers). I'm not
currently u
The compiler appears to be called 7c.
adr, looking at the original email on this thread, it is not very clear
what you are trying to ask?
On 5/21/22 12:39 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
Quoth Aram Hăvărneanu :
Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants.
a
t; within
/sys/src the first two lines say:
changeset: 8493:c8bec6f5ee1e
tag: tip
Does that answer the question, or how do I go about obtaining that?
On 5/18/22 2:30 PM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote:
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Related question
Related question I can't seem to track down an answer to:
I have a 9front cluster which was set up back when Mercurial was used,
so that is what sysupdate is looking for.
I finally realized that I am no longer seeing updates because 9front
switched to git.
How does one go about upgrading an
Students who rely on that will never really learn.
From my perspective, most supposedly modern systems have been a bigger
waste of time than some of the older ones.
Windoze, Linux, etc. in some ways still have not caught up to features
that Multics and Plan 9, among other systems, had to offe
Ok, sorry for the triple-post, but since I can't seem to find that man
page or usb/ether on my 9front install, I should probably provide my source:
http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/4/usb
On 1/29/22 7:14 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Evidently there are two major standards:
CDC, an officia
on plan9 indicates that CDC support is
already there but has not been tested; it may be that a good starting
point is in place and getting this tested would provide the required
support on the host side of things?
On 1/29/22 6:56 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Apparently Linux includes drivers
Apparently Linux includes drivers for tunneling IP over a USB connection
(possibly to support mobile phones? not sure...)
Making host drivers compatible with these (if not already available) to
share an IP stack and creating the equivalent device-side support for
the "blocks" would allow 9P t
I was actually thinking of a somewhat different approach to providing a
more modernized user interface.
Consider that rio currently exports the required files for each window,
which provide the same interface as the display driver underneath them.
Now consider adding a new "control manager" f
Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to emphasize just
how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by rebooting.
On 12/28/21 12:35 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800
Eli Cohen wrote:
if you're not accustomed to plan 9
Worst than that! I don't know squa
Maybe /dev/gpgpu (general-purpose GPU) would be more to the point?
On 8/22/21 2:50 PM, sirjofri wrote:
22.08.2021 20:25:12 o...@eigenstate.org:
Quoth sirjofri :
22.08.2021 18:41:06 o...@eigenstate.org:
Basically do software rendering on the GPU?
Yes. Or software neural net evaluation on
Seems rather unlikely considering that UTF-8 was originally invented for
Plan 9?
Turns out it is the same as anywhere else in Plan 9 - tap ALT (not hold)
then the letter x then the hex code for the rune you are trying to enter
and a semicolon (if fewer than 6 hexadecimal nybbles).
Example:
While not necessarily unwelcome as a possibility, I don't think
GPU-based drawing/gaming is as relevant to this discussion (or as
important of a goal for Plan 9 / 9front) as is GPU compute (GPGPU).
The ability to leverage GPU resources across CPU servers for computation
purposes would be of gr
I don't think the touchscreen technology has figured out how to
distinguish between fingers yet.
The rio environment would need to identify if you were using finger 1, 2
or 3 to tap on something so it would know if it was to move or resize
the window, which context menu to open, etc...
Eithe
I see...
That certainly could have been made less clear :-)
Maybe it would have helped to have put "Syscall" in parenthesis or
quotes or something; as it is it looks like the rest of the entries in
the list and I took it to mean that "Syscall" (literally) could show up
as a status.
Thank y
I was looking at the list of possible process statuses in the man page
for the ps command on 9front and there are several different statuses
I'm seeing on my system that are not in the list. I am seeing Pread,
Await and Rendez on the majority of my processes and Pwrite and Open on
a few and no
Thanks, auth/debug was indeed useful.
Somehow I missed the authdom= entry in /lib/ndb/local and it was
complaining that it could not find an auth server for my authdom.
I added that and rebooted, and now all is well.
On 9/4/20 11:38 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
Thanks, that is what I was
Thanks, that is what I was missing - I had them on separate lines.
Now I need to puzzle through this "tlsclient: auth_proxy: auth_proxy rpc
write: interrupted" error whenever I try to use rcpu to connect back to
the server as a different user (from a drawterm connection). If I just
"rcpu" by
I am trying to set up a standalone (sd card boot) 9front installation on
a Raspberry Pi 3 (using the pi3/4 image) to boot as a cpu server, but I
can't figure out where to put the service=cpu and bootargs=... options.
The pi uses /n/pidos instead of /n/9fat, and I tried placing these in
both co
Thanks!
I built the file server using a 32-bit 386 kernel but I think 64-bit
CWFS was used? I will try to figure out somehow which block size was
selected, and that gives me something to work with.
Looks like it is just under 1 GB used if I have the 4K block size, and
just under 2 GB used i
Hi, I am trying to learn how to work out the used/free space on the cwfs
file systems on my 9front file server.
The plan 9 primary partition has the following sub-partitions:
9fat - 100MB
nvram - 512B
other - 12.84GB
fscache - 12.84GB
fsworm - 64.21GB
If I use con -C /srv/cwfs.cmd to run
I figured this one out... I had missed adding the "-a tcp!*!564" option
on the file server bootargs.
Now it is working!
On 12/18/19 6:57 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
ok, I seem to have run into another one.
I now have the file server booting as a cpu server with authenticatio
me to set one) for my
"dom=9cluster", so I did manage to get past that one.
I also noticed that if I retry from the bootargs prompt I get the
additional message "ipconfig: dialicmp6: address in use", but I am
guessing that is simply a leftover from the earlier attempt, and
a
Thank you!
When I tried bringing it up as a cpu server with auth enabled it did
indeed make it past the errors.
I'll see if I can work things out from there.
On 12/16/19 2:27 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote:
i believe that this is due to running a with service=terminal.
this causes fact
Hi,
I am hoping someone can help me with this.
I am trying as an experiment to set up a small plan9 cluster as a set of
computers in a VMWare environment.
I am using the latest 9front distribution, and currently have two VMs
booting plan9 with one network adapter each, on a private network (
; I have (I think) the correct /sys/lib/lp/devices line:
>
> conv conversion pr_slp_61 - - gs!ljet4+nohead generic lpdspool lpd - - FIFO
hplj6l kelder chiron.galaxy hplj6l - gs!ljet4+nohead generic lpdspool lpd - -
Kind regards,
> -Steve
--
Frank Lenaerts ---
d to suck down a
> kernel and run it would be even better.
bootfile=ether0!/386/9pc
nobootprompt=tcp!192.168.1.12!564
mouseport=ps2
monitor=vesa
vgasize=1024x768x8
with 192.168.1.12 being my cpu/fs server.
> Lloyd Caldwell
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
me, even though I didn't do it the
traditional way in the first place (how could I know?). Now that I
understand these things (or at least hope so;-)), it's time to convert
it to the traditional way of doing it.
Kind regards,
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
me/cpurc, it does not seem to be taken into account by
the aux/listen in /rc/bin/cpurc?
- Why can't a modified rc/bin/service.auth not be bound via
/cfg/$sysname/namespace?
Has it something to do with user none versus user bootes or so?
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
p and from my
understanding, the sequence is as follows: boot -> init -c ->
namespace -> cpurc so the modified directory (with tcp567 enabled)
should have been visible. What am I missing here?
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
guring_a_standalone_CPU_server/index.html
> some versions of bios are more friendly than others. iirc 1.33
> was a problem with plan 9 on my particular hardware.
>
> as a wild guess, one might disable the functions in cga.c
> obviously, there's no cga.
Thanks for mentioning this as it caught my eye when re-reading the
console part of the plan9.ini manpage.
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
he kernel expecting 19200 baud being used by default?
> that would cover the second case. if you're using the distribution
> 9load, serial baud setting is via baud=. the kernel baud setting
> is , e.g. "console=0 b19200". i changed 9load in 9atom to recognize
> kernel
mwdma
mercurius (192.168.1.12!67): /386/9pccpu.gz
gz...944713 => 946607+854152+313028=2113787
entry: f0100020
--- end ---
Any idea what might be wrong?
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
me,
you need to have a keyboard or mouse connected... oops;-)
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
Well, it is also important to note that I am getting these spikes on
qemu while the emulator is essentially idling.
There really should be no reason it should be hitting the virtual disk
like that repeatedly on intervals. Is there no
other explanation for why it would be doing that?
Yes, doing those things would be an alternative. But the bigger question is
why is fossil hitting the load like that while running in Qemu. And also,
another question is whether this would be happening on physical hardware as
well... Is there anything I can do to figure out why it is doing that, an
Hi, I recently did a clean install of plan9 on qemu on linux. I've noticed
that the load is spiking on an interval every 30 seconds or something like
that. I looked at suggestions that it might be venti and timesync. But it
couldn't be venti because I didn't install venti, I have a fossil only
inst
Too bad, but at least, I learned something. I'll use a Via Epia box as
terminal to start learning the rest;-)
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
type vesa
-vgactlw type vesa
I also thought that I might get around it by using a specific
bios-string (-b option to aux/vga) but I don't know what I could
possibly use.
What can I do to debug this further?
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
- End forwarded message -
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
g (-b option to aux/vga) but I don't know what I could
possibly use.
What can I do to debug this further?
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
ld expect to at least get something like 640x480x8 working...
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
. As the mouse (USB) worked in
rio after I ran aux/vga manually, I would never have thought that it
would be the reason why aux/vga didn't run. I added "mouseport=ps2" to
the plan9.ini style file in /cfg/pxe and now aux/vga configures the
video card and rio starts fine.
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
card. Why is it like
that?
Kind regards,
> - erik
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
ing on a Via Epia ESP5000 and doesn't
have any issues regarding graphics, rio... and as I had an identical
box lying around, I decided to try it with that one.
However, when this box boots via PXE, it has the same issue... Any
idea what might be wrong?
Kin
off the box and that a reboot would first sync the filesystem.
I just read the "SHUT DOWN" section from the installation instructions
again. The sentence "Then turn off the computer or type Ctl-Alt-Del or
"^t ^t r" to reboot" indeed implies that you have to run fshalt before
rebooting (in case the system runs a fileserver).
Thanks for your help.
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
t am I missing here?
Kind regards,
--
Frank Lenaerts fr...@inua.be
What kinds of modifications would be necessary to get plan9 booting on
intel macs? The latest releases don't seem to boot, they just hang.
oh yeah, it seems to do a pipe bind to the other location, only when
binding to the root. If I bind to /n/ftp/directory, it doesn't show
the pipe bind in ns.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Brad Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess what confuses me when dealing with something
dir4.
So what I guess I was expecting to see from ns when using the ftpfs
scenario, was to see not only a pipe bind to /n/ftp. But Also a pipe
bind to my other location, since the other location was a bind to
/n/ftp.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Brad Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
I forgot to mention when I bind /n/ftp I was really binding
/n/ftp/directory to another location.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Brad Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I use ftpfs to mount a ftp site and then bind /n/ftp to another
> location. All appears to work fine in /n/ft
When I use ftpfs to mount a ftp site and then bind /n/ftp to another
location. All appears to work fine in /n/ftp and in the other
location. When I type ns, I can clearly see the pipe bind for ftpfs
mounted to /n/ftp. When I unmount /n/ftp I can type ls on /n/ftp and
not see anything there. But if
I just wanted to say a belated thank you very much for your answers!
-Frank
Anyone else notice the latest builds of plan9 have a delay with
keyboard input from the bootloader?
Is it possible to modify the live cd isos to list an option that would
allow booting with the *nomp=1 option set? It seems to prevent the
ability for me to use vesa modes on my dual core Thinkpad T60, and as
a result the coloring looks really screwed up. Dark green background,
terminals with black
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