[RBW] FS: Campagnolo Veloce Double Front Derailer 9 / 10 SPD

[Sean Whelan]

28.6 mm clamp for steel bikes.
Bright shiny chrome color. Silver accents, not
black and ugly like the new ones.

Pretty.
Nice design.

Used for 2 seasons, approximately 1500 miles. Model year is likely 2004/2005.
.

15 dollars shipped. 
Email for photos / with questions

Cheers,
Sean



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Re: [RBW] FS: Campagnolo Veloce Double Front Derailer 9 / 10 SPD

[Sean Whelan]

Great. if you use paypal, you can send to me at: sean.whe...@efi.com. If not, 
you can send some form of remittance to:

Sean Whelan
265 Parker Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15216

On an unrelated note,  I was going to email you (as you are the campy only guy) 
to ask what you thought about the old, long since discontinued, Campagnolo 
Mountain Bike components. I have a complete set of the Olympus Canti brakes and 
levers. I have no use for the levers, but will likley try the cantis. If you 
collect that kind of thing, I can send you the Olympus levers along with the 
derailleur, for a few dollars for the extra shipping. 

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Fri, 3/11/11, Eric Norris  wrote:

From: Eric Norris 
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Campagnolo Veloce Double Front Derailer 9 / 10 SPD
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 10:50 AM

I'll take it!


--ericcampyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org


On Mar 11, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Sean Whelan wrote:
28.6 mm clamp for steel bikes.
Bright shiny chrome color. Silver accents, not
black and ugly like the new
 ones.

Pretty.
Nice design.

Used for 2 seasons, approximately 1500 miles. Model year is likely 2004/2005.
.

15 dollars shipped. 
Email for photos / with questions

Cheers,
Sean






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Re: [RBW] FS: Campagnolo Veloce Double Front Derailer 9 / 10 SPD

[Sean Whelan]

Sorry, All, meant that to be a private reply.

Sean

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[RBW] Free Small Stuff, for shipping

[Sean Whelan]

Greenfield Aluminum Kickstand - Saw the recent enthusiasm for kickstands on the 
list. I have a Made in USA, greenfield aluminum kickstand. Single bolt, dual 
clamp style. Looks a bit like the Pletscher. Google shows images. It is free to 
a good home. Needs to be cleaned up and lubricated. Appears to be cut at the 
265mm line on the back. I have no need. Pulled from a steel Trek. Likely to be 
4 or 5 dollars to ship.

Rivendell Burrito Wrap - Just a piece of cloth, like they still sell. Has some 
marks on it, but is essentially unused. Should be able to get it in an envelope 
and out to someone for 2 dollars or less. 
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/burrito-wrap/20-003

Free to anyone who will use them. Just email your interest and address.

Cheers,
Sean








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Re: [RBW] Re: now they've done it. Campy canti's!!

[Sean Whelan]

I look forward to the new Canti's from Campagnolo, as I have a cross bike that 
could use them. My biggest problem with Campy in recent years is that they have 
pushed so far into the 11-speed madness across most of their range and they 
don't really sell much that I'd want to buy. They discontinued their silver 
hubs and low end triple cranks as well.

I have 3 Campy equipped bikes but if I bought a new bike this year, I'd be hard 
pressed to outfit it with new Campy stuff. 11-Speed Chorus? Man, I don't think 
so. 

Sean


--- On Fri, 3/18/11, bfd  wrote:

From: bfd 
Subject: [RBW] Re: now they've done it. Campy canti's!!
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 12:29 PM



On Mar 18, 8:54 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> I thought all the Campy stuff was made in Italy by old world
> craftsman. ;~)    Or maybe, these days, automated machines.
>
Actually, Campy has a line of products made in Taiwan called Fulcrum.
I believe they only offer cranks and wheels at this time. Check it
out, the carbon cranks offer Campy's "ultra-torque system" and look
exactly like Campy labeled ones except with different graphics:

http://www.fulcrumwheels.com/jspfulcrumjp/newsdetail.jsp?newsid=10&newscatid=2

> I think they made these because a lot of pro Cross racers prefer the
> Ergoshifters and they wanted  to have a full cross race gruopo. I'm
> just happy they have decided to build something that is more off road
> oriented.
>
Agree. I use Campy Centaur 9 ergo shifters on my cross bike with
Suntour xc pro canti brakes and kool stop salmon colored pads. Works
OK, but I need to keep a close eye on the pad alignment or I bet
massive brake shudder and poor performance. If it becomes too much of
a hassle, I'll probably switch to mini v-brakes. Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[Sean Whelan]

+ 1 

Also...

Nice, Wide bars with a natural bend, (no ergo). 
Soma Tan Cork tape to match a Honey Brooks Titanium Saddle
Campag Vento Wheelset
Acorn Tool Roll in Black.

Light, fast, still not dangerously ridiculous.

Keep a second traditional wheelset with 28s and a comfortable number of 
reliable spokes.

Yes.

Sean

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From: rcnute 
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 3:12 PM

Nice!

Campy Record 9 or 10, black.

Ryan

On Mar 28, 11:20 am, Bike Hermit 
wrote:
> 
>
> 
> How would you build it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Plans For A New RBW Wool Jeresy?

[Sean Whelan]

Sign me up for a re-issue of the Bridgestone jerseys. Those are grand.

Sean

--- On Tue, 4/19/11, Andy.M  wrote:

From: Andy.M 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Any Plans For A New RBW Wool Jeresy?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 11:09 AM

How about the old 20s style jerseys with the buttons up the side...the
old Bridgestone ones.
http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/27.htm
I would love to have another one like that! Mine has seen better days!
-Andy

On Apr 19, 7:50 am, Minh  wrote:
> I would second this, we should create a demand list to see if we can
> arrange some kind of group-buy.  I'd buy one, heck i'd even buy two if
> that's what it took to get another run going.
>
> On Apr 19, 10:17 am, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > The Woolistic world champ motif jersey that RBW used to sell (where mine 
> > came from) is avail from Vintagevelos.com and they have other classic 
> > designs as well. Not the Rive logo ones though
>
> > >
> > >From: Larry Powers 
> > >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:15 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [RBW] Any Plans For  A New RBW Wool Jeresy?
>
> > > I know that this list is monitored by certain people at RBW so I am 
> > > posting this here.  Are there any plans for another run of wool RBW 
> > > jerseys?  My blue and green ones are getting kind of old and I am in the 
> > > market for a new one.  I like the graphics of the RBW jersies and that 
> > > would be my first choice if available.   If there are plans to do a run 
> > > this year then I will gladly wait but if not I will need to purchase 
> > > something else pretty soon.  Maybe a nice dark red or deep yellow jersey.
>
> > >Thanks.
>
> > >Larry Powers
> > > 
> > >Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
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Re: [RBW] Anything look odd on this Ram?

[Sean Whelan]

Looks to me like any bike that was:

a.) built up in part with components that were hanging around the garage
b.) entrusted to someone for care who doesn't know much or care much about bikes


Those are sometimes the best value purchases.

Good Luck!

Sean






From: Steve Palincsar 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:59:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Anything look odd on this Ram?

On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 10:51 -0700, Daniel wrote:
> I've been looking at look at this Ram on Craigslist:
> http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/2388442830.html
> 
> The cable routing, handlebars and tape are all bugging me, but I'm on
> the fence about going to see it anyway.

All trivial and easily remedied.  If you like the Ramboillet and it's
your size, go look at it.  Remove the cages and fix the angle of the
bars ( 1 minute at most ) before you make up your mind.



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Re: [RBW] Gamoh Rack QR Bracket

[Sean Whelan]

Tubus makes a quick release adapter for racks that has two eyelets and is 
widely 
available.

A quick google will turn it up from many retailers.

Sean






From: Mitch Browne 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:11:09 PM
Subject: [RBW] Gamoh Rack QR Bracket

I have a Gamoh rack that I'm planning on moving along but want to keep
the quick release bracket that creates an extra mounting eyelet. I
haven't been able to locate anything like. Perhaps someone here has an
idea? Here's a link to the bracket.

http://tinyurl.com/3pxksy9

Thanks for leads, advice and suggestions.

Mitch
San Luis Obispo, CA

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Re: [RBW] Solutions for a Stripped Eyelet / Braze-On

[Sean Whelan]

As Jim mentions, threading a new screw from the back side is the tried and true 
approach of the cheap, roadside repair. This even worked for me on a pedal 
thread on a set of Campagnolo alloy cranks.

Cheers,
Sean






From: Curtis Schmitt 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:38:27 PM
Subject: [RBW] Solutions for a Stripped Eyelet / Braze-On

Jim,
Yes indeed that is VERY helpful! I hope this info can help someone else on the 
list as well (I changed the subject to increase odds of finding it in a 
search). 


That's a great idea going up a size or two to a 5 or a 6. I may look into doing 
that regardless, would be great to have heavier bolts down there if for no 
other 
reason than peace of mind. I'm glad that the fork (most likely) won't require 
more work than that.

Curtis


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:30 PM, CycloFiend  wrote:

Assuming a droput eyelet rather than a mid-fork...
>either way, here's what I'd do:
>- Remove the rack, and clean the threads (and the bolt) with a
>brush/solvent. You may find that just the bolt threads were affected. You
>may also find that it was only the first thread in the eyelet or so which
>pulled out or was damaged.
>- If it is clear that the threads on the eyelet have been _slightly_ damaged
>(like one or two threads on the outside, from a too-short bolt), you might
>try force-chasing with a new fresh bolt from the inside of the eyelet. If
>you are all uneasy about doing this, skip to the next step...
>- Take the fork to a good shop where they can chase the threads with a
>proper tool.  Might just be able to save it with no further changes.
>- If it's toast, then the same shop should be able to retap it for the next
>size up (5 to a 6?) with a minimum of fuss.  Probably worth having them do
>both sides so at least your rack uses the same bolt on both port and
>starboard.
>- If the eyelet lacks the meat to retap (and that's really doubtful, unless
>it failed somehow), then you would have to get a new one installed, or go to
>a p-clamp mount.
>
>Hope that helps!  Sounds like a great trip!
>
>- Jim
>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Need advice on hauling lots of bikes

[Sean Whelan]

I second that.

The heel -to - toe, back of the truck, cardboard between bikes approach 
mentioned below was employed by the organizers of the 2007 London to Paris 
(http://www.londres-paris.com) when we took the train back to London and they 
brought our bikes back from Paris.

Seems like a fine enough approach.

Sean







From: CycloFiend 
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Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 1:53:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] OT: Need advice on hauling lots of bikes


Simplest method is upright, direction-switched "heel to toe" with a thick
moving blanket between them.  I'd probably remove the pedals, as that's what
tends to bite into the frames and gouge stuff.

We used to run built bikes from the warehouse out to the shops (anywhere
from 1-2 hours by freeway) in the back of a delivery truck (Iveco-type) with
only bike box cardboard between them.  I think we could do up to 40 bikes
before having to lay any on top.  That worked 99% of the time without
scratches. 

I would expect a smaller rental box van would work fine.  Be mindful of
wedging them or bungie-ing them in place so they don't move during
accellerations and stops.

Hope that helps

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[Sean Whelan]

At least they are riding bikes and interested in bikes. While most of us on 
this list use our bikes for everything from fast brevets to grocery runs and 
commuting, that is not the case for everyone. There are numerous reasons why 
someone might choose to rack a bike and drive it to an off-road spot and ride. 
It may not be right for you and for me, and it might not be environmentally 
defensible, but I'd much rather have them riding a bike after a short drive, 
than just deciding to "go for a drive" up to Pt. Reyes or something.

When I first started riding again after many years off the bike, I was really 
afraid to ride in traffic. I would drive my bike to a bike path and ride, then 
drive home. I knew it was a bit ridiculous, but that is the place where I was 
in terms of my comfort level, fitness level and confidence. Several years 
later, I am more in line with the majority of folks here. I commute to work as 
often as the weather and business commitments allow. I ride to run errands in 
the neighborhood and I seem to only rack the bike on a car when a group of us 
carpool to a century or other organized ride in the region.

At least those folks are spending money at bike shops / on bike stuff. My local 
bike shop doesn't carry many of the things that I want, but I email the owner 
and he orders it in for me rather than having me just order it from someone in 
the interwebs. It works for both of us, and he pays his mortgage selling plenty 
of those fancy dual suspension mountain bikes.

All biking is good biking in some way...

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Ray Shine  wrote:

From: Ray Shine 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 12:09 PM

You hit the nail on the head, Kelly, and you are spot-on correct.  I am always 
amused and annoyed at the same time on my weekend rides into Marin County from 
San Francisco.  It's very common to see the full suspension MTB folks drive 
across the bridge and park near Mike's Bikes, take their expensive MTB off the 
trunk rack, then go tackle the trails on Mt. Tam.  I know they are from the 
city (just 8 miles away) because of the residential parking permits on the 
bumpers of their cars.  I also get a laugh out of the carbon road riders who 
will haul the bike over White's Hill on the back of their SUV, then park on the 
other side and tear off a fast ride out around Nicasio reservoir and back to 
the car.  I see this sort of canceling out thing most, however, with the MTB
 riders.  I suppose they would offer as a justification that the bike's tires 
don't do well on paved roads, or some such.


From: Kelly Sleeper 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 7:10:53 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18


and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving many 
miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home.  In St Louis, Mo 
Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly.  I would wager a single weekend 
ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in one day. Not saying 
don't comute, just saying I don't see cycling as green. It's entertainment for 
most folks or exercise but also an excuse / reason to drive thier cars many 
more miles.
 
Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons is 
or would be weak for me.   I ride because I like riding.
 
Kelly
 
 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions

[Sean Whelan]

Wow, Allan, that is one beautiful bike.

Sean

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Allan in Portland  wrote:

From: Allan in Portland 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:38 AM

Hello,

a) On mounting, I'm pretty proud of this liberal use of p-clamps:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47116230@N00/sets/72157625228844901/

I'd add the guy who invented P-clamps to the list of I-sure-hope-he-
didn't-die-broke.

b) Neither. I tape it to the side, about 4 o'clock.

c) Small front rack, but not for the light, that'd be stupid. I'm now
running with a Sackville medium up front, which I love. I really have
to get an updated photo of the bike with it. I suppose I should admit
to some qualifications. One, it's about 2-3 inches too tall for my
handlebars. Two, the trail on this bike, at about 55mm IIRC, is a bit
at the upper envelop for front loading IMO. But it looks sooo good.
What do they say, if you look good then you will feel good. ;-) Or
something like that.

-Allan

On Jan 17, 9:40 pm, b hamon  wrote:
> Unscientific poll:
>
> a. Rear light mounted to fender -- how many of you have mounted one to a 
> (gasp!) plastic fender and how long did it last there before getting beaten 
> up beyond repair?
>
> b. Wiring: for those kids not cool enough to have it routed internally, do 
> you like it mounted on top or underside of tubing?
>
> c. Front light mounting: How many of you don't normally use a small front 
> rack but specifically installed one to protect the headlight? And how many of 
> you just went with a fork crown mount sans rack?
>
> Just curious, playing around with some set-up ideas.
> Thanks --Beth
>
> http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] WTB: Campagnolo Long Cage Rear Der. (10 Speed)

[Sean Whelan]

Hoping someone on the list has one (used or new). I have some 7 Speed Shimano 
drive-train components to trade, if that helps anyone.

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

[Sean Whelan]

One's speed climbing is all about power to weight. More weight and it is harder 
to climb. Climb by yourself without a computer, and it is just about how you 
feel. Climb with friends or a local group ride, and your perceived effort can 
map to the weight you carry. Climb with your heavy wheels, heavy tires, extra 
full water bottle, laptop and extra sweater, and suddenly the slow guy you ride 
in front of most climbs is smiling as he passes you on the climb.

All rides are good rides. Fast rides with light bikes and strong rides with 
equipped bikes are all good bike rides. I notice the difference between 
climbing on my commuter bike and my go fast bike, but then again I'm the 
slowest climber in America, so I have time to think about these things. I guess 
I sometimes blame the extra weight on my bike when I am lagging behind my 
commuting mates, instead of blaming the weight around the middle of my person. 

Sean (down 14 pounds this year since reading Gary Taubes)

--- On Tue, 2/15/11, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

From: Kelly Sleeper 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody 
difference!
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:49 PM

So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel 
of the bike.   Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to 
weight.  

Pat it really wasnt directed at you.  I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an 
aggressive race bike.  Had lots of fun .. Just because I'm not sprinting at 30 
mph and averaging 20 plus doesn't mean I'm crawling along either.. Had I wanted 
that race experience I would NEVER buy a Rivendell.  

Just saying 


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>  Each to his own.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>> The cost of that two to three miles per hour..
>> 700x23 tires on areo wheels
>> Bars a fist and a half below seat
>> Special shoes
>> 
>> So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing 
>> airing tires fixing flats etc
>> 
>> Been there done that.. Nod thanks next
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks  wrote:
>> 
>>> for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes
>>> diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or
>>> no shower on your lunch break or before work?  and still having time
>>> to ride 29 miles.  I would take the speed over a shorter ride,
>>> especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the
>>> country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re-
>>> enter
>>> 
>>> Rock on Patrick - voice of speed
>>> 
>>> Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking.  That often
>>> why we ride them, otherwise just walk.  You do not have to be a racer
>>> boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if
>>> riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake.  Maybe
>>> they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points
>>> off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining
>>> 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!!
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
 5 lbs means very little from my experience.   So the one built as a 
 commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height?
 
 Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much.
 
 But if all you're interested in is speed have fun.   A 2 to 3 mph average 
 speed difference for me is nothing.
 
 So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds?
 
 Kelly
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
 
 
 
> I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv
> gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not
> to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I
> covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain).
> Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2
> mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75" gear, and blow me down, if
> I sped up those hills like ... like  like ... Oh! Like Bartali,
> shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning
> with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his
> dust. Sortof.
 
> Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a
> computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but
> built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the
> difference on the hills.
 
> Just so you know.
 
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com
 
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[RBW] Re: Extending steerer tube possible

[Sean Whelan]

The hassle of having to stock forks with different steering tube lengths is 
offered up as one reason why the other bike makers of the world went crazy 
about threadless forks. 


cheers,
sean

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, David Estes  wrote:

From: David Estes 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Extending steerer tube possible
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:59 AM

Gorilla Glue

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:



The short answer is no, and if it involves some kind of epoxy, NO!





On Sep 29, 9:57 pm, Weird Harold  wrote:

> A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I bought a like-new Bridgestone

> X0-1. I just purchased a new old stock fork for it, but the steerer

> tube is too short. Is there any way to make it work on my bike?

>

> Thanks!






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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010

[Sean Whelan]

The C&O is flat, straight and not very interesting riding. (And when we did it 
in 2006, it was in rough shape in some stretches.

The GAP offers varied terrain, beautiful scenery, and nice places to stop along 
the way.

If you have the time, I'd recommend riding from Pittsburgh to DC in 4 or 5 days.

Cheers,
Sean



--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Angus  wrote:

From: Angus 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:54 AM

Steve,

I had considered riding the GAP and the C&O.  Why do you save GAP is
safer?

Thanks for the great photos!

Angus

On Jan 1, 9:25 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 19:18 -0800, Angus wrote:
> > 1.  Fix my back (leg pain)...again.
> > 2.  Ride either the Katy Trail or C&O Canal self supported.
>
> Have you considered the GAP?  I'd recommend it over the C&O - much safer
> and much more comfortable.
>
> My GAP 
> photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157622381493111/show/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010

[Sean Whelan]

Sorry, I live in Pittsburgh, and the tendency here is to refer to any city 
within 25 miles of Pittsburgh as "Pittsburgh".

We started at Little Boston. Did overnight stays in

Confluence, PA
Cumberland, MD
Hancock, MD
Harper's Ferry, WV

That route gives you 60 - 70 miles per day.

Would do it again for sure.

Cheers!
Sean

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

From: Steve Palincsar 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:08 PM

On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 13:22 -0800, Sean Whelan wrote:
> The C&O is flat, straight and not very interesting riding. (And when
> we did it in 2006, it was in rough shape in some stretches.
> 
> The GAP offers varied terrain, beautiful scenery, and nice places to
> stop along the way.
> 
> If you have the time, I'd recommend riding from Pittsburgh to DC in 4
> or 5 days.
> 
> 

My group started in McKeesport.  I don't believe the section between
there and Pittsburg is really finished yet.  

You have the choice of riding west to east, where the first 120 miles or
so are all uphill, but very gentle, followed by what feels like a
screaming 25 mile steep downhill between the Eastern Continental Divide
and Cumberland; or a tough 25 mile climb followed by an almost
imperceptible downhill for the remaining 120 or so.

I liked the GAP a lot, and will be happy to do it again in 2010.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010

[Sean Whelan]

We did the whole trip in September and it was Raining for at least two full 
days.
2 guys from DC, 2 of us from Pittsburgh, and one friend who flew out from 
Denver.

The guys from DC drove up in a rental car which we returned the night before.

At the end of the ride, we rode our bikes straight out to the airport and 
picked up a rental minivan for a one-way trip back to Pittsburgh. The evening 
was spent telling tales and downing ales in Suburban DC before the drive home.

It is a great ride. I didn't have a Riv, but Riv supplied my MUSA, wool gear, 
water bottles, Nitto Racks, Pasela Tourguards, and philosophy.

:)



--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

From: Steve Palincsar 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:25 PM

On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 14:11 -0800, Sean Whelan wrote:
> Sorry, I live in Pittsburgh, and the tendency here is to refer to any
> city within 25 miles of Pittsburgh as "Pittsburgh"...
> 
> We started at Little Boston. Did overnight stays in
> 
> Confluence, PA
> Cumberland, MD
> Hancock, MD
> Harper's Ferry, WV
> 
> That route gives you 60 - 70 miles per day.
> 
> 

Far more ambitious than our group.  We stayed at West Newton (the first
day was very short because it took so long to get to McKeesport - 3 hrs
just to go from McKeesport to the Pittsburg Airport to turn in the
rental van, then taxi back to McKeesport), Ohiopyle and Myersdale.  My
trip ended in Cumberland, but the rest of the group went on to do the
Canal.  I'm not sure where they stayed.

My maximun day was around 45 miles.  Of course, a day and a half of that
was in pouring down rain, which definitely makes the distance seem a lot
longer.



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[RBW] AMOS / San Marcos Update?

[Sean Whelan]

Cyclofiend's last update seems to be from January: 
http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=414

I am really really interested in this bike. Has anyone heard anything new? I am 
sure we are talking Mid 2011 now, right?

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] AMOS / San Marcos Update?

[Sean Whelan]

I emailed Soma Fabrications. They are currently awaiting the full size run of 
prototypes from the factory. They will then have to confer with RBW about 
whether it is Thumbs up or Thumbs down.

No time estimate was given.

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, CycloFiend  wrote:

From: CycloFiend 
Subject: Re: [RBW] AMOS / San Marcos Update?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 1:43 PM



Re: [RBW] AMOS / San Marcos Update?
on 9/8/10 10:13 AM, Sean Whelan at strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:



Cyclofiend's last update seems to be from January: 
http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=414



I am really really interested in this bike. Has anyone heard anything new? I am 
sure we are talking Mid 2011 now, right?





I would reckon - and this is absolute and pure conjecture - that SOMA couldn't 
nail delivery for this year, and probably decided that they'd intro it at 
Interbike (industry trade show on the immediate horizon) and go forward with 
firm orders for 2011.



It's always been a SOMA project, as far as the distribution was concerned (and 
hence a Merry Sales Co issue).   I'd expect that with the economy of the last 
couple years, they would want to have it timed for maximum impact and minimum 
exposure.  Having a container land in November, when none of your dealers are 
buying much is a pretty big risk, as an example.



- Jim



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Re: [RBW] finally cleaned and photographed my Rivendell

[Sean Whelan]

David-
What a beautiful bike...Have you ever posted a review of the Berthoud saddle? I 
have been thinking about trying one, but I haven't read any real world reviews.

Cheers and thanks,
Sean Whelan

--- On Sun, 9/19/10, David Sprunger  wrote:

From: David Sprunger 
Subject: [RBW] finally cleaned and photographed my Rivendell
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 6:37 PM

Rivendellers,

For two years, I've promised to scrub the beausage off my bike and
take some updated pictures.  I have finally done so, and the pictures
are here:
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/riv1334/

After washing away the crust, I rubbed everything down with Pledge
wipes (actually the Target equivalent) as recommended by Joe Bell, and
the paint glistens.

Thanks for your patience,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

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[RBW] Free Book San Francisco Bay bicycle book

[Sean Whelan]

see description from Amazon below. I bought it when living in San Francisco. It 
is essentially new. I figure someone on this list might benefit.

If you feel like sending a book in trade, that would be fine, too.

http://www.amazon.com/Short-Bike-Rides-around-Francisco/dp/0762702141

Contact me if you want it, and I will post it in the mail.

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Free Book San Francisco Bay bicycle book

[Sean Whelan]

It is claimed and headed back to the East Bay.

Thanks all,
Sean


--- On Mon, 10/4/10, John Bennett  wrote:

From: John Bennett 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Free Book San Francisco Bay bicycle book
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 12:08 PM

Great book, written by RBW's good friend, Henry Kingman.

The Planet of The Apes ride is not to be missed.

On Oct 4, 7:34 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> see description from Amazon below. I bought it when living in San Francisco. 
> It is essentially new. I figure someone on this list might benefit.
>
> If you feel like sending a book in trade, that would be fine, too.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Short-Bike-Rides-around-Francisco/dp/0762702141
>
> Contact me if you want it, and I will post it in the mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean

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[RBW] FS: Used Nitto R15 Rear Rack 70 dollars shipped

[Sean Whelan]

Bought new from Rivendell in 2006. They don't seem to offer it anymore.
It is like this: 

http://tinyurl.com/296xjb2

Used for one short tour and one season of commuting. Doesn't include P-Clamps. 
I will send detailed photos to anyone contemplating its purchase -- as both 
racks and ideas of used condition are rather personal things.

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] FS: Used Nitto R15 Rear Rack 70 dollars shipped

[Sean Whelan]

The rack has been spoken for.

Thanks all,
Sean

--- On Fri, 10/8/10, Sean Whelan  wrote:

From: Sean Whelan 
Subject: [RBW] FS: Used Nitto R15 Rear Rack 70 dollars shipped
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 4:02 PM

Bought new from Rivendell in 2006. They don't seem to offer it anymore.
It is like this: 

http://tinyurl.com/296xjb2

Used for one short tour and one season of commuting. Doesn't include P-Clamps. 
I will send detailed photos to anyone contemplating its purchase -- as both 
racks and ideas of used condition are rather personal things.

Cheers,
Sean





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Re: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!

[Sean Whelan]

Jerry Kraynick likely has more New Old Stock Shimano 6 and 7 speed freewheels 
than everyone on this list can use in the next 25 years.

http://www.panoramafactory.com/kraynick/index.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07316/833111-85.stm

He has the inventory from many mom and pop shops that went out of business.

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Fri, 10/22/10, Angus  wrote:

From: Angus 
Subject: [RBW] Re: :) The end is near!
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:33 PM

I recently purchased a number of "newly produced" Shimano 6 & 7 speed
freewheels from my LBS.  The six speed FW on my Atlantis is working
very well so far.

The only odd thing about them was the white "Shimano" lettering on the
large cog.  The change from 7 speeds to 6 was almost not noticable.

They were about $20 each.  Perhaps I should burry a horde in the
backyard

Angus

On Oct 21, 7:02 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> Yes, fellow cyclists. The time approaches. The rumors have begun, of
> course. You've read them here and elsewhere. Soon, more signs will
> appear. The unusual "out-of-stock" labels will emerge at previously
> reliable suppliers, as those not wishing to be caught with excess
> inventory fail to purchase. Then the odd stalwart merchant will be
> willing but unable to purchase, as the hoarders buy up product; more
> out-of-stock captions will be seen. Then the early 'Bay-ers will sell,
> with seemingly silly high reserves. Yet sell they will. Later, the
> hoarders will let loose. The sales will be massive blowouts. They will
> not last long. The late 'Bay-ers will try to ride the wave, buying and
> selling like '90s day-traders. Then, nothing. Quiet stillness
> descends. A small trickle will bubble forth, only to quickly become
> erratic and scarce; only those "in-the-know" will have access. And
> then, finally, we'll all realize what has come to pass...
>
> 8-pocalypse
>
> In the aftermath, the successful searcher will ride happily but
> warily, trying not to draw attention to the chain's thickness, the
> front derailer's width, the cogs' spacing. Such wariness will prove
> unwarranted, however. soon the "market" will deem 8-speed equipment
> not "inexpensive" but "cheap". Not "hearty", "heavy". Not "reliable",
> "retro". Those that "have" need not worry; those that lack won't want.
>
> The faithful will proceed the way the 6-and-7-coggers, freewheelers,
> and steerer-threaders did before them, wondering how to protect the
> stash, researching the aging process of grease, asking "Is metal
> fatigue a factor of actual use? Mere age?" And often paying boutique
> prices for modest product.
>
> Oh well. At least this is the 21st century; we'll always have that
> Great Support Group In The Sky, the Webbernet.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] How do old Standard Reach brakes fit on new 55mm reach bikes?

[Sean Whelan]

The 2011 arrival of the Grant Peterson Designed Soma San Marcos has me thinking 
a bit about a new bike and a build plan. I mostly have Campagnolo components 
that I'd like to re-use to build up the San Marcos frame. I was thinking that 
it would be nice to use vintage Campagnolo or Modolo Brake Levers to sort of 
"match" the other, newer Campag stuff.

Older Campagnolo Levers seem to have a maximum brake reach of 52mm. Has anyone 
on the list
 successfully used these on one of the frames that take 55mm reach brakes? I 
guess I don't really fancy picking up a pair of Tektros, but I suppose I might 
have to.

As always, thanks in advance for your help,

Sean


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Re: [RBW] How do old Standard Reach brakes fit on new 55mm reach bikes?

[Sean Whelan]

Calipers, not levers.

I was thinking of using vintage "normal reach" calipers in the place of the 
newer long-reach 55mm ones.

How and why I typed levers twice below is a mystery to me.

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Sean Whelan  wrote:

From: Sean Whelan 
Subject: [RBW] How do old Standard Reach brakes fit on new 55mm reach bikes?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 2:03 PM

The 2011 arrival of the Grant Peterson Designed Soma San Marcos has me thinking 
a bit about a new bike and a build plan.
 I mostly have Campagnolo components that I'd like to re-use to build up the 
San Marcos frame. I was thinking that it would be nice to use vintage 
Campagnolo or Modolo Brake Levers to sort of "match" the other, newer Campag 
stuff.

Older Campagnolo Levers seem to have a maximum brake reach of 52mm. Has anyone 
on the list
 successfully used these on one of the frames that take 55mm reach brakes? I 
guess I don't really fancy picking up a pair of Tektros, but I suppose I might 
have to.

As always, thanks in advance for your help,

Sean






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[RBW] FS: Black Carradice Pendle

[Sean Whelan]

All this talk of bags, good and bad, has me finally motivated to buy a Berthoud.

In order to keep things right in my personal bag inventory, I will unload my 
Carradice Pendle. Bought new from Sheldon Brown and the folks at Harris Cyclery 
some years back. 11 liter capacity, black with white leather, outside pockets. 
Fits from the bag loops on your Brooks.

Used on a handful of rides, but I never really had the right use / bike for it. 
The white leather looks a bit grubby, and the canvas is marked from some dustry 
rail-trail usage. I will email detailed pics to any interested parties.

looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/25laykq

detailed bag info here: http://tinyurl.com/carradice

$65 dollars shipped

Cheers,
Sean



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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Sean Whelan]

I use this one: http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Seth Vidal  wrote:

From: Seth Vidal 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 9:52 AM

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:48 AM, SFF  wrote:

> 3>Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my
> Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have
> 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the
> garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of
> the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome.


I have this same issue, more or less. We've been kicking around
building a garage just so we have ample bike-storage facilities.

I'm was thinking about using those pulley hoist systems to raise a set
of bikes up and down easily. Ideally so it is no hassle to get them
back and forth.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What would you pay for a used custom?

[Sean Whelan]

Ebay values for stuff have little to do with the original purchase price. 
Values for used frames vary hugely based on the size, and the current market 
for the frame.

A special vintage French touring bike might go for much more than its original 
price, due to its rarity, while a 3 year old "Racing" Aluminum Trek might go 
for peanuts.

I once sold a set of Silver Shifters that I bought from Rivendell for more than 
they sell for at Rivendell. My eBay Auction even said, "These sell for $75 at 
Rivbike.com:

Hmmm.

Sean

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, William  wrote:

From: William 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What would you pay for a used custom?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:18 PM

Good point.  This one on ebay claims to have been built by Waterford.
That was the basis for my hypothetical.  Do you think this Waterford
Custom retailed for a lot less than $3000?

On Mar 9, 12:10 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM, William  wrote:
> > So, if a new custom costs $3000 and a new stock frame costs $2000 from
> > the same builder (Waterford Rivs, for example), then your used custom
> > is worth some percentage less than $2000, in my opinion.  Am I wrong
> > about that?  Would you pay more for a used custom Riv (that fit you)
> > than you would for a used Hilsen (in your best size)?  I think they
> > have identical value, assuming they are the right bike for the
> > application, etc etc.
>
> Well - a custom isn't made at waterford, iirc. Mark(?) Nobliette(sp?)
> is doing those.
> -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What would you pay for a used custom?

[Sean Whelan]

The thrill of victory is another factor with eBay. Bidders get emotionally 
invested in the "contest" aspect of the bidding and they want to "win."

A bidder starts imagining just how that old Carradice bag is going to come in 
handy on next week's ride and they bid higher than they normally would.

In the case of my Silver shifters, I included a link to Riv, who were selling 
them in stock at the time. My shipping was flat rate, so not likely better or 
worse than Riv.

They only went for a few dollars more, but it totally cracked me up.

I have sold some other components for far more than I thought I would get, and 
have purchased things for as little as 99 cents.

I love eBay.

Sean

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, EricP  wrote:

From: EricP 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What would you pay for a used custom?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:01 AM

Another one who would argue it's worth what someone is willing to pay.

Because haven't been back "into" bikes long enough (just under six
years), hard to judge on used bicycle (and part) prices.

eBay is an interesting market as others have mentioned.  Things can go
for more than "retail".  But then, I'll argue it's only retail if the
place has it in stock.  Probably am remembering this wrong, but when
Sean had his shifters for sale, Rivendell had been out of them for a
bit.  It's also possible the buyer doesn't want to deal with a
particular retail seller.

Things are also subject to fads.  If folks have noticed, a few Bleriot
frames have sold recently for well more than new.

But custom bikes?  Really hard to predict.  Can be the same way with
custom guitars.  Especially acoustics.  Have seen really nice,
expensive instruments sell used for very little.  Especially when one
considers the type and quality of wood involved.  Not to mention
building time.  Yet, if the builder is someone who is in demand, used
can go for nearly as much as new.  (Kevin Ryan and Jim Olson guitars
come to mind).

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mar 9, 11:00 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> In the add it mentioned it was featured in RR#8.  Just read the
> article... frame at that time was $1050...though this one does come
> with BB and headset.  I remember passing on an Atlantis a few years
> ago because the seller wanted more than what the frame orignally sold
> for.  Peanuts compared to what they cost now...kind of wish I'd bought
> it!
>
> On Mar 9, 12:18 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Good point.  This one on ebay claims to have been built by Waterford.
> > That was the basis for my hypothetical.  Do you think this Waterford
> > Custom retailed for a lot less than $3000?
>
> > On Mar 9, 12:10 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > So, if a new custom costs $3000 and a new stock frame costs $2000 from
> > > > the same builder (Waterford Rivs, for example), then your used custom
> > > > is worth some percentage less than $2000, in my opinion.  Am I wrong
> > > > about that?  Would you pay more for a used custom Riv (that fit you)
> > > > than you would for a used Hilsen (in your best size)?  I think they
> > > > have identical value, assuming they are the right bike for the
> > > > application, etc etc.
>
> > > Well - a custom isn't made at waterford, iirc. Mark(?) Nobliette(sp?)
> > > is doing those.
> > > -sv- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Mounting a Mini MagLite as a Headlamp?

[Sean Whelan]

I commuted to work today in heavy traffic. The recent time change has it dark 
for the early part of my ride. I have tail-lights like crazy, but the years 
have taken their toll and I don't have a headlamp for those first few minutes 
of the ride before the sun shows its face.

I am thinking of getting through the next few weeks with an improvised 
headlamp. I have a heavy duty mini MagLite from my days as Rock N Roller and / 
or Roadie.

Has anyone ever mounted one of these gracefully? My goal is to be seen, not to 
illuminate the pavement.

Extra points to someone who can show me how to do it with my John's Irish Strap.

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Mounting a Mini MagLite as a Headlamp?

[Sean Whelan]

Hats off to both of you.
I think I was over-thinking my problem.

cheers,
Sean

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Bill Connell  wrote:

From: Bill Connell 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Mounting a Mini MagLite as a Headlamp?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 2:20 PM

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Sean Whelan  wrote:


I commuted to work today in heavy traffic. The recent time change has it dark 
for the early part of my ride. I have tail-lights like crazy, but the years 
have taken their toll and I don't have a headlamp for those first few minutes 
of the ride before the sun shows its face.


I am thinking of getting through the next few weeks with an improvised 
headlamp. I have a heavy duty mini MagLite from my days as Rock N Roller and / 
or Roadie.

Has anyone ever mounted one of these gracefully? My goal is to be seen, not to 
illuminate the pavement.


Extra points to someone who can show me how to do it with my John's Irish Strap.

Cheers,
Sean



My home-built LED light is basically a flashlight-like tube, and it's currently 
mounted with two stainless hose clamps. Use a 1" clamp for the bar and whatever 
size needed to fit the light. Open one clamp and loop through the second, so 
they make a right angle. One gets clamped around the light, and the other 
around the handlebars. Not the most elegant system, but certainly durable. 


-- 
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN




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Re: [RBW] Riv rider as "Mr. Retro"

[Sean Whelan]

To be fair to those outside of the Fully Lugged / Wool-wearing / RBW inner 
circle...if you consider the typical Aluminum Trek w/ Carbon fork cyclist frame 
of reference (a cycling Magazine)...just take a look at this cover from 
THIRTY-FIVE years ago, and look at your bike / clothing setup:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8729...@n02/2353591876/

Mr. Retro, indeed. And I find it comforting that you'd look more at home on a 
ride with Anquetil and Merckx than the current crop of
 Postal / Discovery / Radio Shack fans who make up the bulk of 
"serious" riders who do double centuries.

It is fair to forgive someone for being confused. I think the best part of it 
is that Mr. Retro dropped the post author...and that you weren't tagged as "Mr. 
Older and Heavier" - one of the other names he came up with.

Cheers, Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Sean


--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Esteban  wrote:

From: Esteban 
Subject: [RBW] Riv rider as "Mr. Retro"
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:46 AM

I thought you folks would get a kick out of this.  A friend sent me
this ride report of the Death Valley Double, which I finished at a
rather leisurely 15:17.
I show up in the middle as Mr. Retro.

http://veloasana.com/2010/03/10/unfinished-business-in-death-valley/
"A rider catches me. He’s on an old steel-framed bike, complete with
fenders. He’s wearing a retro jersey. As he passes by, he exclaims,
“Some climb, huh?”  Mr. Retro is descending faster than me. Within
a few minutes, he’s a mile ahead. But somehow, as the road levels off
near the bottom of the pass, I catch up. We round a corner and there
it is: the climb I forgot about. The other 12% grade – the backside of
Jubilee Pass. I brace for more climbing, but thankfully, this side of
the pass is fairly short.

I reach the summit just behind Mr. Retro.

“Well, that’s the last of the major climbing for the day,” he says."

Little does he know my Romulus is vintage 2003!
Here I am, Mr. Retro:
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/25671...@n02/4435969706/
Here I am, Mr. Retro:


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Re: [RBW] wanted 7 speed barcons

[Sean Whelan]

I have a set of Shimano 7 speed, indexed downtube shifters. You could mount 
them on Riv Silver bar cons.

Sean



--- On Sat, 3/27/10, ejg  wrote:

From: ejg 
Subject: [RBW] wanted 7 speed barcons
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:54 PM

Hi all
does anyone have a pair of 7 speed bar end shifters they'd like to
sell or trade for a set of suntour friction barcons?

thanks
Edward

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Re: [RBW] WTB - Rivendell All-Rounder 54-57TT

[Sean Whelan]

Great Bleriot. I wish I could part with $2000.00.

I NEED a bike with S&S Couplers.

Sean

--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Christopher Paul  wrote:

From: Christopher Paul 
Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB - Rivendell All-Rounder 54-57TT
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 5:34 PM

I have a "custom" 57 cm Bleriot that is available (sigh).  I say
custom because I had the s & s couplers option that enables it to be
transported on an airplane without paying a surcharge.

A few highlights/specifications are:

S & S couplers with cable splitters
Sugino Crank 26-36-48 .  Arms are 170 cm
11-34 Sram Cassette
650 B wheel set.  Velocity rims with Shimano XT hubs (very sweet)
Real Wood fenders
Daves thumbies & Dura Ace bar end shifters
Interupter brakes (added after initial build) along with conventional brakes
Nitto noodle bar 46 cm
nitto techtronic stem
grand bois tires

Does not include:
travel case, pedals or saddle

price: $2,000

Cheers,
Chris

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, bdavis999  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking for a Rivendell All-Rounder (not Atlantis), with a TT
> between 54-57.
>
> Thanks!
> Braden
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Re: [RBW] Re: a different conception of "Fatties Fit Fine"

[Sean Whelan]

I love Paris Roubaix. A quick look at the top 3 placings of Paris Roubaix in 
the last handful of years shows that that the most successful riders have 
typically used box section alloy tubular rims with 36 spokes and 27mm Tubular 
tires.

Many teams are seen riding Ambrosio, Mavic, and Campagnolo branded alloy rims 
that have not been available in production for more than a decade, or in some 
cases, two. A $5000 pair of Lightweight Carbon rims may be what these guys race 
in the rolling hills of the Tour, but on the cobbles, traditional wheelsets 
have rarely been beaten.

Here is a link to the hand-made tires ridden by Winner, Fabian Cancellara and 
in the past by winner Tom Boonen.

http://fmbtires.com/fmb_paris_roubaix_pro.htm

Think what you like, but  a small shop hand-making tires is still pretty cool.

Cheers,
Sean

Side Note: I don't think the problem in cycling today is the Pro Peloton, the 
problem is the bicycling industry who fools the local rider into thinking he 
needs to ride the same disposable, lightweight expensive stuff as the pro 
peloton. If you make your living on a racing bike for over 20 thousand 
kilometers per year, and you have a team of mechanics following you in the car, 
you just might try those high profile carbon rims on a flat day in the Tour de 
France. But... if you are a 225 pound weekend rider who sprints from parking 
lot to coffee shop to get a chocolate chip muffin, you will get there just as 
fast and 10 times as safe on a Roadeo.


--- On Mon, 4/12/10, cyclotourist  wrote:

From: cyclotourist 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: a different conception of "Fatties Fit Fine"
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:21 AM

Good thing he didn't lose, or that would be blamed on his unresponsive fat 
tires.  
I wonder what pressure he ran them at?  Betcha' he could use a handy on-line 
pressure calculator! 


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:

More than one rider was using 27mm tires. I saw little blurbs about

larger tires at Cyclingnews.com also. Makes sense. It would have been

great if someone had been using Roll-y Pol-y's.



On Apr 11, 5:26 pm, stevep33  wrote:

> Looks like the tiny bike with the big tires did alright.

>

> On Apr 11, 7:38 pm, rcnute  wrote:

>

>

>

> > His bike is so tiny!

>

> > On Apr 11, 2:44 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:

>

> > > Fabian Cancellara's Paris-Roubaix setup with 27mm FMB tubulars:

>

> > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/04/photos/2010-classics-bike-gall...

>

> > > And here's an action shot:

>

> > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/04/news/cancellara-cruises-to-rou...



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Re: [RBW] Re: a different conception of "Fatties Fit Fine"

[Sean Whelan]

The tread on FMB tires apparently is descended from Clement, as are the 
Challenge.

see: http://tinyurl.com/yce698t

aka  
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/product-components/2010-fmb-paris-roubaix-25-tubular-tire-7427.2709.0.html

Sean


--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Aaron Thomas  wrote:

From: Aaron Thomas 
Subject: [RBW] Re: a different conception of "Fatties Fit Fine"
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:50 PM

For what it's worth, the tread pattern on the FMB Roubaix tubulars
that Sean linked to (and which can be seen in the Cancellara close-
ups) is identical to the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix tread.

I don't know if it is the same compound or even made by the same
people (FMB gets their treads from other producers), but it looks just
like the tread on my Challenge Parigi-Roubaix clinchers, which are
awesome tires that I highly recommend to anyone.

They are quite capable of some off-roading. In fact, I took them out
for an impromptu ride in the Santa Monica mountains yesterday on my
Romulus (Open Pro rims, 32 spokes):

http://twitpic.com/1f0m10

A proper cx tire or JB would have made things a little more cush and
secure in turns. But dirt is definitely doable on the Parigi-Roubaix
clinchers.

Aaron

On Apr 12, 4:06 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> I love Paris Roubaix. A quick look at the top 3 placings of Paris Roubaix in 
> the last handful of years shows that that the most successful riders have 
> typically used box section alloy tubular rims with 36 spokes and 27mm Tubular 
> tires.
>
> Many teams are seen riding Ambrosio, Mavic, and Campagnolo branded alloy rims 
> that have not been available in production for more than a decade, or in some 
> cases, two. A $5000 pair of Lightweight Carbon rims may be what these guys 
> race in the rolling hills of the Tour, but on the cobbles, traditional 
> wheelsets have rarely been beaten.
>
> Here is a link to the hand-made tires ridden by Winner, Fabian Cancellara and 
> in the past by winner Tom Boonen.
>
> http://fmbtires.com/fmb_paris_roubaix_pro.htm
>
> Think what you like, but  a small shop hand-making tires is still pretty cool.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> Side Note: I don't think the problem in cycling today is the Pro Peloton, the 
> problem is the bicycling industry who fools the local rider into thinking he 
> needs to ride the same disposable, lightweight expensive stuff as the pro 
> peloton. If you make your living on a racing bike for over 20 thousand 
> kilometers per year, and you have a team of mechanics following you in the 
> car, you just might try those high profile carbon rims on a flat day in the 
> Tour de France. But... if you are a 225 pound weekend rider who sprints from 
> parking lot to coffee shop to get a chocolate chip muffin, you will get there 
> just as fast and 10 times as safe on a Roadeo.
>
> --- On Mon, 4/12/10, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> From: cyclotourist 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: a different conception of "Fatties Fit Fine"
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 12:21 AM
>
> Good thing he didn't lose, or that would be blamed on his unresponsive fat 
> tires. 
> I wonder what pressure he ran them at?  Betcha' he could use a handy on-line 
> pressure calculator!
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> More than one rider was using 27mm tires. I saw little blurbs about
>
> larger tires at Cyclingnews.com also. Makes sense. It would have been
>
> great if someone had been using Roll-y Pol-y's.
>
> On Apr 11, 5:26 pm, stevep33  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Looks like the tiny bike with the big tires did alright.
>
> > On Apr 11, 7:38 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > > His bike is so tiny!
>
> > > On Apr 11, 2:44 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>
> > > > Fabian Cancellara's Paris-Roubaix setup with 27mm FMB tubulars:
>
> > > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/04/photos/2010-classics-bike-gall...
>
> > > > And here's an action shot:
>
> > > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/04/news/cancellara-cruises-to-rou...
>
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Re: [RBW] Rear derailleur hanger fail.

[Sean Whelan]

Hard to tell, but it looks like a campagnolo mirage rear derailer.
Campagnolo does sell the parts individually, but as it is a discontinued 
product line,
they are fairly cheap to replace.

Should be about 30 bucks new on ebay.

Sean

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, manueljohnacosta  wrote:

From: manueljohnacosta 
Subject: [RBW] Rear derailleur hanger fail.
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 1:15 AM

Story goes...My little brother is riding along the mad streets of UC
Davis. As he is riding along he hears a small little click coming from
his rear wheel. Being a college student on his way to class he thinks
nothing of it. Then all of a sudden he rear wheel locks up and he
comes to aburpt stop. He looks back and he finds that he rear
derailleur is caught into his spokes, and the hanger is bent like a
limp noodle. The culprit? A small twig caught into the derailleur
pulleys.The only thing that stops his rear derailleur from trashing
his rear wheel is his fender stay. He sends pictures via interaweb.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623850994428/

Crazy college students. Replacements are underway. Question is if the
rear derailleur salvageable?

-Manny "Twigs can be dangerous too" Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

[Sean Whelan]

Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets which 
run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel.

Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides.

You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing 
involved.

Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no other 
info...

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, MichaelH  wrote:

From: MichaelH 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM

Well that's a pretty heavy rim & tire combo.  Remember it is the
wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield
the most benefit.  I'd consider a second set of wheels.  If you can
afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm
tires.  That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the
group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are
probably loosing the pace.  Ride with your current wheels every day
and switch to the lighter ones for longer events.

Michael

On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
> Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.
>
> Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
> this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
> convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.
>
> D.G.
>
> On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go
> > with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest
> > rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too
> > delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
> > events you mentioned.
>
> > If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
> > from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
> > little bit less drag.
>
> > You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole
> > Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the
> > Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).
>
> > Have fun!
>
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G.  wrote:
> > > Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
> > > bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.
>
> > > I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
> > > slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
> > > I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
> > > fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
> > > my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
> > > than I was on "road bike."  I've never been a racer but I really don't
> > > want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
> > > difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
> > > take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.
>
> > > So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
> > > I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
> > > can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
> > > I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.
>
> > > D.G.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

[Sean Whelan]

Owning a versatile bicycle with 2 very different wheelsets can be a great joy 
in life.

I ride a Cyclocross bike most of the time. When I am touring or towing my son 
in the trailer or pothole dodging, I have some Pasela Tourguard 35s on 32 spoke 
Mavic rims. When I am climbing the hills on a group ride or a century, I have a 
set of Campagnolo Vento Wheels w/ 23mm Vittoria tires.

Same bike. Two personalities.

I wish I could leave work right now and go ride right now. It has the fast 
wheels on.

cheers,
Sean
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Darin G.  wrote:

From: Darin G. 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:25 PM

Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to
the topic.  I think many of the observations about obsessing less with
how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate.  I
typically don't ride with others.  Its usually just me out there
listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an
intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on
such a journey is irrelevant.  When the opportunity to ride with
others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes
everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're
ostensibly the stronger rider.

For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the
Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack.  I am also looking into a
lighter wheelset, including some that were  mentioned in this thread,
which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future.

I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying
that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride
and wondering how I could go that far.  Smug satisfaction taken.

And for the record:  I do not presently, and never have, wore
parachute pants.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:10 am, "Darin G."  wrote:
> Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
> bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.
>
> I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
> slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
> I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
> fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
> my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
> than I was on "road bike."  I've never been a racer but I really don't
> want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
> difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
> take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.
>
> So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
> I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
> can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
> I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.
>
> D.G.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

[Sean Whelan]

Scott-
It probably seems more bleak in your mind than it did on the road. When there 
is an accident or emergency on a ride, and the police or other folks have 
arrived, no riders are encouraged to stop. A bunch of people standing around 
can only make the situation worse. I was on a century where someone was hit by 
a car and they made it very clear that we were to keep going. They certainly 
didn't have sag wagons enough to ferry everyone to the end.

I don't think there is anyone in the randonneur crowd who would not help to 
stop a cyclist in trouble. (Even people who were trying to ride to a schedule.) 
But.. once people had stopped and were helping, no one else short of a medical 
professional could have helped.

I am sad to hear of his loss. 

Sean

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Me  wrote:

From: Me 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:28 PM

I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable &
forgivable.

But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.

-Scott

On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> The fellow who made that remark explained it in a comment to the blog
> entry.  Don't lose your faith in humanity just yet.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Apr 27, 12:05 pm, Me  wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's a troubling thing, and I am troubled by it.
>
> > Reading the account of the fella who rode a good part of the double
> > century with Tom, I am left thinking a few things:
>
> > 1.  I should try one of his saddles [if for no other reason, than
> > tribute and homage].
> > 2.  People should know CPR.
> > 3.  People say strange things when under extreme stress [but that's
> > understandable and thusly, forgivable].
> > 4.  That those that didn't stop and/or were concerned with their
> > finishing times: what has gone so incredibly wrong with humanity that
> > the idea of "Schedule" and "Deadline" in the day to day of the
> > workplace has infected 'weekend activities' to the point where a
> > fallen cyclist, a few other cyclists bent over him, a helicopter
> > sitting nearby, various policemen and a couple nurses wouldn't -at
> > minimum- pique the other double century riders to stop?
>
> > That's the one biggie that's really left me troubled.  I can see
> > stopping and being told to "move on" by the police, but it seems most
> > didn't even do that... and no, it wouldn't have saved Tom it seems,
> > but jeez, is a finishing card, a personal 'best' time, a jersey, an
> > anything- really worth not being concerned or even just plain
> > downright curious?
>
> > Kinda Bugged, Really Sad-
>
> > -Scott
>
> > On Apr 25, 7:29 pm, happyriding  wrote:
>
> > > Here's a detailed account of the events:
>
> > >http://bikeridestories.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

[Sean Whelan]

http://tinyurl.com/28wvqgd

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Mike  wrote:

From: Mike 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:18 AM

On Apr 28, 5:54 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the
>  possibilities in half: Mr. EM.

Eddie Munster?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Schwin Le Tour Mixte Project Finished! kinda.

[Sean Whelan]

There are Pink Hello Kitty Bicycles on Sale at amazon.com, as well as Hello 
Kitty Bicycle Bells. I think you could rig up something.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, rswat...@me.com  wrote:

From: rswat...@me.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Schwin Le Tour Mixte Project Finished! kinda.
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 11:44 AM





On May 4, 2010, at 8:49 AM, RoadieRyan  wrote:

> What Joel said.  You want her to love it and more importantly ride it
> - go with the kitty.  Hmmm wonder if you can find a Kitty key chain
> that could be fashioned into a head tube badge?
> 

I bet you could find an actual Hello Kitty head badge! 
If you can think of it, there's probably been a Hello Kitty version made at 
some point.
The HK Empire knows no boundaries!

Ryan
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Sean Whelan]

Tubular tire aging is discussed here:

http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:

From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM

Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
"stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).

Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
in some way.

On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito  wrote:
> Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
> > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Steel frames, custom racks, hammered fenders, schwalbe big apples

[Sean Whelan]

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Re: [RBW] Bike to work day

[Sean Whelan]

Rode to work as usual on a Steel Bianchi. Also ended up on the TV news and in 
the newspaper. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10142/1060087-490.stm (Photo 3, 
Black Jersey, Green Shorts).

The newspaper shot is of me eating a cookie. All these years of riding, and the 
news media find me eating a cookie to be the only newsworthy bit.

Our local advocacy group, Bike Pittsburgh (http://www.bike-pgh.org) had done a 
great job in generating activity for the day. There was a free coffee / 
breakfast thing near my starting point and a bike repair / breakfast / 
gathering at the work end.

Now, if I hadn't crashed on the descent into town, it would have been a perfect 
day. At least the panniers kept my Brooks from getting any road rash. Me - not 
so lucky.

Cheers,
Sean



--- On Sun, 5/23/10, Dave Lloyd  wrote:

From: Dave Lloyd 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike to work day
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 10:16 PM

Got out the door early with my Son, hit the refueling station by our house and 
ended up in the paper.http://videos.stltoday.com/p/video?id=14182075


A typical day aside from the really beautiful weather.

Riv-ish content on the bike: The BD was featured in a reader, rim brakes, 
albatross bars, cork grips, twine, shellac and bar end sheifters.

--dlloyd




On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:42, Andy Williams  wrote:

"Friday was national bike to work day...or something like that.



 How did "y'all" do?"



Woke up Friday a.m. to drizzle, cold, puddles, etc, and was on the

fence about riding, given distance, hills and the day's agenda.

But, clicked on the news, saw more pictures of the Gulf Coast Oil

Disaster, thought about the good ol' Bleriot, and decided to be part

of a solution.



Saddled up, had a great time!



Andy



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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixing Campy 10 and Shimano 9 - Zinn article?

[Sean Whelan]

I have found the Centaur stuff to be completely top notch. (Brakes, hubs, BB, 
derailers, etc.) That being said, I have Chorus levers on my cross bike, and 
have not had any problems with breakage, despite this bike having many many 
rough miles on it.


Sean


--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Patrick in VT  wrote:

From: Patrick in VT 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mixing Campy 10 and Shimano 9 - Zinn article?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:46 AM

On May 24, 6:37 pm, CCX  wrote:
> Do you all have a strong preference between the models of Campy- not record 
> obviously,
> but chorus seems a bit pricey and the veloce  seem about right- how
> does the centaur line hold up in your opinion?  Would I be a fool to
> stick to the centaur?
>
> I think I would be sort of mad if I crashed, and smashed up a pair of
> the chorus ergos.

i run the centaur alloy levers on my cyclocross bike.  they're pretty
tough in my experience.  i expect to go down a few times a season on
them (and I do), so the alloy is my choice for cx racing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv

[Sean Whelan]

I believe that the folks in Walnut Creek will sell you the Decals and / or 
HeadBadge if you have the serial number / etc.

You could get it painted with your favorite current color scheme, and just have 
a blast with it. I assume you got a deal on the frame, so investing in a nice 
paint job (or even adding a few braze-ons) might be the right approach.

Nice Purchase, great mystery.

Now... how are you going to build it up?

cheers,
Sean

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, Taylor  wrote:

From: Taylor 
Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:38 AM

That's the issue, it isn't original. It had been repainted and
decaled. I have no idea what the original color and decal situation
was, although it seems like it probably did have Rivendell decals, but
with more reserved paint.

The repaint was in 2001, so it's unlikely that any pictures exist of
it in the original style.


On Jul 14, 6:21 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> Cool, glad that's all cleared up!
>
> I sure wouldn't relable it--it's original as it sits, right?  I'd keep it 
> that way...someday you'll be glad you did, I think.  As will future scholars 
> that will write papers and delve deep into the history of the finest bicycles 
> made at the turn of the century.  B-)
>
> Just sticking my nose and $.02 in.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
>
> The mystery has been solved, I am the new owner.
>
> It's a 1995 Prototype frame built by Waterford, this info was received
> from the original owner and confirmed, with some corrections, by GP
> and co.
>
> Should be labeled "Protovelo" and I'm currently working out the
> details with GP to have it correctly labeled as such.
>
> Expect an updated post with the completed build with two month's time,
> or so.
>
> On Jul 13, 10:23 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > The only way that all that effort would make any sense would be if you 
> > > wanted to make more.
>
> > Without seeing the paint in person, or at least in much better detail,
> > it is hard to tell the quality.  A reasonably competent photographer
> > could make a rattle can job look pretty good.
>
> > In my opinion, the color choices on the bike were not that good.
> > Guess JB would ultmately do whatever the customer wants, but I imagine
> > he would have warned someone the colors do not go together all that
> > well.
>
> > On Jul 13, 10:04 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
>
> > > I agree that if there were a forger that made fake Riv decals, then 
> > > they'd go whole hog on the JB decals, but wouldn't the painting and the 
> > > decal making be kind of a pain for one bike? If this is really a fake 
> > > Rivendell, I would expect that there are more. The only way that all that 
> > > effort would make any sense would be if you wanted to make more.
>
> > > Joe
> > > Subject: RE: [RBW] dat funky Riv
> > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:30:27 -0400
> > > From: frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Re.
> > > the JB paint job, if it is indeed labled with fake Riv decals/headbadge, I
> > > doubt the forger would hesitate to put a fake JB signature on the 
> > > chainstay as
> > > well...
>
> > > Steve
>
> > >   -Original Message-
> > > From:
>
> > >   rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > >   [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Grant
> > >   Petersen
> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM
> > > To:
> > >   rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [RBW] dat funky
> > >   Riv
>
> > > Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always
> > >   been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain farts), 
> > > but I'm
> > >   thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry James 
> > > crowns
> > >   for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The 
> > > dropouts are
> > >   raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back then. 
> > > The
> > >   fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere close to
> > >   post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I 
> > > can't go
> > >   by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But mainly, 
> > > the
> > >   lugs.
>
> > > It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once
> > >   somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't  hold JB to any style 
> > > (he
> > >   knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I called 
> > > him
> > >   now, line's busy, I'll try again.
>
> > > The serial number would tell the
> > >   story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath that 
> > > "pump
> > >   instead of seat tube" paint job, then fine etc., but at this point I'm 
> > > still
> > >   guessing it's not.
>
> > > G
> > > --
> > > Grant
> > > Rivendell B

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

[Sean Whelan]

A more appropriate question would be...

Can you show me another catastrophic failure in a professional racing bike that 
was weight weenied down to nothing, and then expected to perform?

There are plenty of failures from the days of steel bikes when drilling holes 
in frames and components to lose weight was the way to go. That period gave us 
BB cutouts, drilled forks and thin, lightweight dropouts.

All of which were in pursuit of light weight, and lead to some nasty failures, 
even on steel bikes.

I think the shattered carbon fork in question is related more to super-thin, 
drilled out racing frames of 1979 than to a Rambouillet.

Sean



--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Joe Szokoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Joe Szokoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:12 PM

Tarik,



Can you show me something like this in steel??



http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=/photos/2008/news/nov08/nov22news/DSC_0021


smug and self-congratulatory,
-- 
Joe Szokoli
New York City





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[RBW] New Year's Day Ride and selling a Campagnolo Veloce 9 speed front derailer

[Sean Whelan]

Happy New Year to everyone on the list!

We went out for a group ride today in 18 degree weather in Pennsylvania. It is
an annual event sponsored by a local group called the Western Pennsylvania
Wheelmen. More than 50 riders showed and there were two group leaders, one
for the longer, faster ride, and one for the slower, shorter, family-oriented 
ride.

The roads were icy in spots and the city had dumped lots of salt, so there 
were very few Lugged Steel Rides out there today. I did spy a great Bridgestone
X0-1 with moustache bars, and Some older lugged Schwinns and Panasonics.

It was a 15+ mph ride through city streets and ended up being just a hair under 
16 miles.
I rode my Non-Riv Cyclocross bike but was fitted out in plenty of Rivendell 
sold gear, including most of the wool that I own, MUSA pants and ridign atop a 
pair of Pasela's that did great on the rough roads and snow.

Sorry for the commercial post, but I need to unload some of my extra components 
and what not, as cash is a bit tight these days.

I am selling a nice example of a 2004-ish Veloce front Derailer from Campagnolo.
This is the one for a double crankset.
28.6mm clamp.
Some signs of use, but in great shape. You can email for photos.

$15.00 shipped to anyone on this list.

Cheers and I hope everyone is happy in the new year,
Sean

It shows some signs

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Campagnolo Rally

[Sean Whelan]

Campagnolo deraillleurs are great. I run Campag on all 3 of my bikes.

Short, medium and Long cage. Compact, Double, Triple.

Allez!

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Jim Bronson  wrote:
From: Jim Bronson 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Opinions on Campagnolo Rally
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:33 PM

New Campy works good too :p
(running a long-cage Chorus alloy on my Riv, 10 speed but using it on
a 9 speed system)

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:31 AM, John Ferguson  wrote:
>
> Has anyone here actually used a Campagnolo Rally rear derailleur? I
> remember one on my uncle's bike from way back when; he rode that thing
> tens of thousands of miles.
>
> Just wondering as I'm considering it as my rear derailleur since it
> will handle the chain wrap nicely. Yes, I know a new Shimano probably
> works better!
> >
>



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[RBW] Winter Riding Tips...Best Tires for considerable snow?

[Sean Whelan]

I was never a mountain biker, so most of my attempts to ride in the snow 
usually end up either with me staring up at the sky from a cold an painful 
landing on the street, or teetering on the verge of collapse at less than 5 mph.

What do you folks do?

What tires at what pressure?

Thanks,
Sean

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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Tips...Best Tires for considerable snow?

[Sean Whelan]

Thanks to everyone for the great advice.

I have tried different tires for different conditions ranging from Cyclocross 
Knobby Tires to narrower road tires to Pasela TourGuards.

I just can't wait for Spring.

Sean

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, John McMurry  wrote:
From: John McMurry 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Tips...Best Tires for considerable snow?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 12:09 PM

On Jan 30, 11:01 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> I was never a mountain biker, so most of my attempts to ride in the snow
usually end up either with me staring up at the sky from a cold an painful
landing on the street, or teetering on the verge of collapse at less than 5 mph.
>
> What do you folks do?
>
> What tires at what pressure?

IMO, there is no winter tire that excels in all conditions.  I find
the Nokian Mount & Ground tires to be generally very good winter tires
for most winter conditions that I cycle in.  They're sized  559x45mm
and I run them between 35-45psi, depending on conditions.  They
perform very well when temps are very low (15F to -25F), with up to a
4" snow layer, dodging (and hitting) snow cookies, the occasional
sidewalk detour (when conditions warrant), and on light snow covered
ice.  In a few other conditions, they're overkill: so smaller tread
blocks, a narrower profile, and less studs would perform better.

When snow is sticky, thickly rutted, and has a slimy base, (temps from
20F to 35F on an unplowed, paved surface) I prefer a slightly narrower
tire at a higher pressure and less and/or negative tread.  The wider
tires I've used (including the Mount and Grounds) tend to half float,
half sink in that stuff and your wheels constantly drift.
Additionally, the snow packs up into the tread, making pedaling much
more difficult, and traction minimal.  These tires excel at most other
conditions though, and so, I'll continue to use them on my commuter.

I've also had the following experiences riding these tires in the
winter:

Panaracer Pasela 622x37mm and found them to be a great winter tire for
when roads are better maintained, but no studs meant cornering was
tricky and sometimes dangerous.  Not so great getting up steep, icy
roads.

Continental Town & Country 559x57mm and really liked that they didn't
pack full of snow and provided pretty good traction, but again, were
unstudded and found they floated a bit too much in the loose stuff.

Nokian A10 584x36mm and find them excellent tires on most winter
rides.  They're better than the Mount & Grounds when roads have been
plowed, they're worse when AOT is on strike.

Regarding winter bicycle riding, the best advice I can give if you're
having problems getting going is to: keep pedaling.

Momentum will get you through most everything, except corners.

John McMurry
Burlington, VT








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[RBW] Re: Non-Aero Hood Replacements?

[Sean Whelan]

Kraynick's Bicycle Shop in Pittsburgh, PA has a considerable stash of Non-Aero 
shimano hoods. the last time I bought a pair they were around seven or eight 
dollars.

He doesn't do mail order. Email me off-list if you need me to inquire on your 
behalf.

Sean

--- On Fri, 1/30/09, Paul Cooley  wrote:
From: Paul Cooley 
Subject: [RBW] Non-Aero Hood Replacements?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:20 AM

I took my original non-aero brake levers off my Rivendell a few years  
ago because the hoods were disintegrating, and I had some aero levers  
in my parts drawer off another bike.  I've decided to replace my  
brakes with the wide-profile Tektros, and that has me thinking about  
putting my non-aero levers back on.  Are there hoods available  
somewhere?  They're the Shimano Dura-Ace from Rivendell circa 2000.  I  
noticed Velo Orange has Cane Creek hoods, but the web site says they  
are for Dia Compe levers and "may fit others."  Does anyone know if  
they would work?

Thanks,

Paul B. Cooley
Santa Fe, NM
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[RBW] Re: Not a Riv, but as close as I can get!

[Sean Whelan]

I love those panniers!

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, StanThe Man  wrote:
From: StanThe Man 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Not a Riv, but as close as I can get!
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 9:12 PM

Looks great!

On Feb 16, 8:43 pm, Benji  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've worked pretty hard, with very little money, to take an old frame
> and make it look new.
>
> I'm curious to see what you all think, let me know.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/benjib/



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[RBW] FS: Stem Mount Suntour Friction Shifters

[Sean Whelan]

A few months back there a was a thread about the many ways to mount your shift 
levers. One post included a link to a Bleriot that had the shift levers mounted 
with an integral clamp onto the stem, immediately above the headset.

This got my memory going, and I remembered that a lugged steel frame that I 
bought more than 20 years ago had the same setup.

I was digging in the parts bin and found them. I post here as I know some folks 
had posted "I wonder if they make those any more" sorts of posts.

Silver alloy with chromed steel clamp and cable guides. Friction only, with 
black suntour lever covers. Excellent shape. No signs of wear.

Eight Dollars Shipped in USA.

Email for photos.

Cheers,
Sean

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[RBW] Re: Rainy Day Hill ride

[Sean Whelan]

Danny Chew is the man behind the "Dirty Dozen" - it is held the Friday after 
Thanksgiving every year. Often in Pittsburgh that can mean snow and cold.

See the official site here: http://www.dannychew.com/dd.html

See a 2005 local news article here: 
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05330/612834-53.stm

The guys from urban velo ran some recent photos and an article. 
http://urbanvelo.org

Cheers,
Sean (in Pittsburgh)

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Patrick in VT  wrote:
From: Patrick in VT 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rainy Day Hill ride
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:44 AM

On Mar 4, 7:43 pm, Peter Merryman  wrote:
>I've also walked up Baldwin Street in New Zealand, the world >record
holder at 35%, and wasn't impressed - only gets crazy steep >in the last
30 feet or so.  But then I'm biased because I'm proud >of my
neighborhood's insane hills.


35% is the record?

Pittsburgh has a street, Canton Avenue, that is claimed to be 37%.
There's a bike race there around thanksgiving called the "dirty
dozen"
- it's a 50 mile race that hits all of the 'burghs major hills,
including Canton.

It's on my schedule this year.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish retro cycling gloves?

[Sean Whelan]

+1

I love these gloves. Just ask your local shop to get them in from QBP.

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Mon, 7/16/12, charlie  wrote:

From: charlie 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish retro cycling gloves?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:20 AM

http://ecom1.planetbike.com/glove9000.html  Here are the Planet bike 
gloves.

On Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:17:29 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:Other than the ones 
Riv sells (which only lasted me 3000 miles) Planet Bike is the only reasonably 
priced alternative that I know of. They look 'vintage' with the crocheted backs 
and leather but have Kevlar on the palms in case you hit pavement.

On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:04:51 AM UTC-7, pruckelshaus wrote:I'm stuck 
wearing lycra backed Pearl Izumi cycling gloves.  Comfy enough, but I hate the 
look.  I used to have a set of Cannondale crochet backed fingerless cycling 
gloves back in the 80's, and I'd like to find something similar.
Dromarti makes gloves that I think would be perfect - http://www.dromarti.com/ 
index.php?main_page=product_ info&cPath=15_33&products_id= 27 - but $138 is a 
bit ridiculous.  Does anyone know of a source for a similar, high quality, but 
more affordable glove?  I now that Riv carries a similar glove for $15, but I 
actually prefer a darker color leather.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help

[Sean Whelan]

Several years ago, I was using a traditional brass Silca presta pump head (of 
the sort that you can buy from Harris Cyclery). It is a great pump head, but it 
has no locking mechanism, so it is full on secure with no release. In fact, it 
locked so tightly on to the threaded Presta valves that I often suffered flats 
at the seam where the valve joins the tube. Not necessarily at the time of 
inflation.

I switched pump heads to a less "tight" fit - including ones with a lever. 
(Serfas, SKS, etc.) and the flat problem went away.

When you pump up, is there a lot of friction to remove the pump head?

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Thu, 12/15/11, Philip Williamson  wrote:

> From: Philip Williamson 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Flat Tire Help
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 10:36 AM
> I had a string of tubes failing at
> the valve stem. I think it was
> caused by the tube creeping when the tire pressure was too
> low.
> Sometimes it was a hole, sometimes it was more like the
> valve attachem
> started peeling up. Hard to patch a tube that close to the
> valve stem.
> 
> Do you see your valve stems cocked over at an angle? That's
> what I was
> seeing on my mountain bike. I started being more careful
> about proper
> inflation, and started using the dork nuts instead of
> keeping them for
> M6 spacers. I haven't had that problem since.
> 
>  Philip
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 5:25 am, Michael Hechmer 
> wrote:
> > Yikes, front tire flats are scary; I hope these were
> slow leaks.  Is the
> > stem breaking away from the tube?  Are you using
> tubes with threaded stems
> > and a locknut?  I know a lot of mechanics throw away
> that locknut, claiming
> > its superfluous, but I believe it helps to keep the
> tube in position, at
> > least during installation.  Do you have, or can you
> borrow a different
> > front wheel and test your rim hypothesis?
> >
> > michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: SRAM Automatix versus Sturmey Archer S2 Duomatic on SimpleOne

[Sean Whelan]

Here is a review of the Duomatic from my friends at UrbanVelo, if that helps:

http://urbanvelo.org/sturmey-archer-s2-duomatic-kick-back-hub/

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Thu, 1/5/12, David Spranger  wrote:

From: David Spranger 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SRAM Automatix versus Sturmey Archer S2 Duomatic on SimpleOne
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2012, 2:24 PM

Thanks to both of you. The SRAM is also available without a coaster brake. I 
lean in the direction of the Sturmey Archer Duomatic only because Sturmey 
Archer products are so serviceable. I am not sure of the serviceability of the 
SRAM. I have had some feedback that the kickback shifiting of the Sturmey is 
problematic, but it may just be a "getting used to it" type thing. Pudge, when 
you have a chance to use yours can you comment on this?
Thank you,David SprangerCharlotte, NC



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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

[Sean Whelan]

I have ridden this portion of the trail on Panaracer Pasela 32s Non-TG and was 
just fine. 5 of us rode from Pittsburgh to DC in 5 days and had nary a flat 
among us. Tires ranged from 28mm "touring tires" to lightweight Vittoria 
Cyclocross tires.

I think you'll be fine.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Fri, 1/20/12, Allingham II, Thomas J  
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> From: Allingham II, Thomas J 
> Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
> To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" 
> Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
> Steve:  Would Jack Brown Greens
> (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I
> (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? 
> Tom 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
> 
> On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 14:54 -0800, islaysteve wrote:
> > Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby
> provided, I've 
> > answered most of my questions:  It looks like a
> moderate climb out of 
> > Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental
> Divide (cool), and 
> > then moderate downhill all the way.  Pretty good
> for an out-of-shape 
> > geezer like me.  The GAP looks incredible and I'd
> really like to ride 
> > it; if not on this trip, in the future.  If I
> decide to join, I will 
> > be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos.  I
> assume that this would
> > be sufficient?   
> 
> It would be perfect.  The GAP is a crushed limestone
> surface, very well packed, no loose top layer at all, and
> great drainage.  It rained for 2 days when I was on it,
> and had rained heavily for days before we got there, and we
> saw 1 puddle for the entire distance from McKeesport to
> Cumberland.
> 
> 
> > I would also still be interested in any details of the
> ride, 
> > especially the first day.  Also, I'm not sure how
> the second day with 
> > possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most
> likely I would 
> > sit out that side trip.  Thanks for planning this
> Bobby.  Cheers, 
> > Steve
> > 
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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

[Sean Whelan]

Side Note:
We (group of 5 cyclists) stayed in the Paddler's Lane guest house in 2006. It 
was great. Highly Recommended.

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Thu, 1/26/12, Allingham II, Thomas J  
wrote:

From: Allingham II, Thomas J 
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" 
Cc: "'MontclairBobbyB'" 
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 10:27 AM



 
 

- As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to 
attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the 
Paddlers Guest House).  Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; 
one additional rider is a distinct possibility.
- A lodging preference, either:  A. I would 
like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and 
although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw 
straws...  or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements.  
Option A preferable for 
us.

- A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, 
approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD  
We'd prefer Cumberland.
(47 miles to Confluence on 
Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill).  And for those 
preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in 
Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally.

- A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and 
take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per 
person.  We'd love to do the Fallingwater side 
trip

-Original Message-
From: 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 
PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 
2012

Shuttle Update:  Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) 
provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle 
approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear).  They have a large rack on top 
of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear.  The 
price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 
25), 
or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea.  We pay for the 
vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people.  Either way I think 
that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses).  
I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally 
Frostburg) 
and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment).

WV 
is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail.  As we pass through Ohiopyle 
on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF 
folks would like to take a tour.  The cost would be
$25 per van (from WV 
HQ), which adds only $2 per person.  I have sent in an inquiry to the 
Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 
individually).  We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the 
Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this 
tour or not.  Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in 
Ohiopyle.  I'd like your thoughts, please.

Next up will be a 
decision on lodging and shuttle options.  The WV folks made a pretty good 
case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and 
actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow 
late 
arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to 
pre-shuttle at a predetermined time.  Moreover, we can check in with WV at 
Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll 
need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river.  The 
disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our 
friends coming from the North.  But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd 
anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by 
around 5 PM.

For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 
16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM 
(while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of 
additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less).
I'm sure we can 
convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into 
Cumberland 
on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge.  Another option for 
those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in 
Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then 
riding 
16 miles to Frostburg "up the climb" to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can 
"sleep in" on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet 
you.

Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly 
recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can 
accommodate 
at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill 
it).  Here's a link to their site - http://www.paddlerslane.com/id

Re: [RBW] Re: Is the San Marcos a true Rivendell?

[Sean Whelan]

Dusty-
I would really love to see a review of the difference between the Stanyan and 
the San Marcos. Both are made and built in the same place, and distributed by 
SOMA, but the San Marcos has Grant's design.

If you get around to posting a detailed comparison, I would be so happy!

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Thu, 1/26/12, DustyMerkin  wrote:

> From: DustyMerkin 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Is the San Marcos a true Rivendell?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 9:25 PM
> I own a San Marcos frame, and had a
> Rambouillet a few years back.  The
> San Marcos is built to the same quality as the Ram but uses
> nicer
> lugs, at least nicer looking.  The bottom bracket is
> actually stamped
> "Rivendell"!  In terms of ride quality, that is still
> up in the air
> since I have actually not built it up to ride.  I have
> a 2TT version
> and I'm really surprised at how light it is, actually feels
> about the
> same as my Soma Stanyan.
> 
> On Jan 26, 5:50 pm, Bill Carter 
> wrote:
> > Pat,
> > I am an "older" rider also, and I own a Heron road
> which is a similar
> > bike, designed by Grant back in the day, made by
> Waterford and
> > distributed through a special Heron dealer network but
> also sold by
> > Riv.  I bought and built it new about eight years ago,
> and for me it
> > rides better than anything, including a Waterford 1250
> that I also
> > have in my stable.  It's handling is quick and sporty,
> but
> > predicatable and confidence inspiring in a way that is
> hard to
> > describe, and it takes long downhills like nobody's
> business.  It
> > truly is the last bike I'd give up, and most Riv
> afficionados regard
> > the Heron as in the family, if not a "true Rivendell."
>  I received one
> > of the Riv headbadge logo decals in an order from RBW
> HQ, slapped that
> > sucker on the seat tube, so now I am all set!  At
> least until it peals
> > off.   Best thing about it is that if you find you
> don't like the SOMA
> > San Marcos (not likely), it should be easy to sell and
> recoup at least
> > most of your investment.  The SOMA line has a
> following of its own,
> > and when when you combine that with the Riv connection
> (much like my
> > Waterford made Heron)you can appeal to two groups of
> loyalists.
> > Best of luck, and let the list know what you decide.
>  Oh, and we do
> > like pictures.
> > Bill Carter
> >
> > On Jan 24, 5:52 pm, Pat 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Folks,
> >
> > > I am an "old guy" (almost 64) and just finished my
> second year of cycling.
> > > I put in 4200 miles last year on a carbon frame
> bike which I like, but I'm
> > > looking around for something more comfortable for
> longer rides and light
> > > touring. I ran across the Rivendells a couple of
> months ago. I like what
> > > I'm reading and I'm esp interested in the Sam
> Hillborne and San Marcos.
> >
> > > Do you Riv owners consider the San Marcos a true
> Rivendell? Can I expect
> > > the same quality ride, etc. from the San Marcos as
> I would the other Riv
> > > bikes? (I'm asking because it doesn't bear the Riv
> name.)
> >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: [RBW] My Bikes

[Sean Whelan]

Eric-
Is there a Dahon Smooth Hound in there? I just purchased one to finally crack 
the dilemma of traveling all the time for work and never having a bike with me.

I am still new to it, but love mine. Moustache bars, bar end shifters, brooks 
saddle, big bike feel, but it fits in a samsonite suitcase.

Bravo!

Sean

--- On Mon, 1/30/12, cyclotourist  wrote:

> From: cyclotourist 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] My Bikes
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 30, 2012, 12:59 AM
> I like how every bike has a
> small/medium sized bag ready to go! Cool room!
> 
> On 1/29/12, Eric Norris 
> wrote:
> > Thought the group might be interested in seeing most of
> my bikes. There are
> > a few that don't fit into the bike room, but here is
> the bulk of the
> > collection:
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157629093186449/with/6787084407/
> >
> > Not shown here are my 1973 Motobecane (fixed), my
> 1970s-ish Raleigh Superbe,
> > a Dahon Curve folder, and a very heavy twin-top-tube
> town bike from India
> > (made, no doubt, in a factory left behind by the
> British).
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > --Eric
> > campyonly...@me.com
> > www.campyonly.com
> > www.wheelsnorth.org
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Re: [RBW] My Bikes

[Sean Whelan]

I was actually going to start a "moustache bars position" thread on this list, 
as I am struggling a bit with the bar position on my dahon as well.

It really is a lovely bike. I bought a samsonite hardshell case and traveled 
with mine already. No airline fees, and a real bike to ride at the destination. 
I am very pleased with this purchase.

Enjoy!
Sean




--- On Mon, 1/30/12, Eric Norris  wrote:

> From: Eric Norris 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] My Bikes
> To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
> Cc: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Monday, January 30, 2012, 10:15 AM
> Yes there is. I'm still getting the
> bars dialed in, but it's a very nice bike that I hope to
> travel with someday.
> 
> --Eric N
> Sent from my iPad2 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:07 PM, Sean Whelan 
> wrote:
> 
> > Eric-
> > Is there a Dahon Smooth Hound in there? I just
> purchased one to finally crack the dilemma of traveling all
> the time for work and never having a bike with me.
> > 
> > I am still new to it, but love mine. Moustache bars,
> bar end shifters, brooks saddle, big bike feel, but it fits
> in a samsonite suitcase.
> > 
> > Bravo!
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 1/30/12, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: cyclotourist 
> >> Subject: Re: [RBW] My Bikes
> >> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Monday, January 30, 2012, 12:59 AM
> >> I like how every bike has a
> >> small/medium sized bag ready to go! Cool room!
> >> 
> >> On 1/29/12, Eric Norris 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Thought the group might be interested in seeing
> most of
> >> my bikes. There are
> >>> a few that don't fit into the bike room, but
> here is
> >> the bulk of the
> >>> collection:
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157629093186449/with/6787084407/
> >>> 
> >>> Not shown here are my 1973 Motobecane (fixed),
> my
> >> 1970s-ish Raleigh Superbe,
> >>> a Dahon Curve folder, and a very heavy
> twin-top-tube
> >> town bike from India
> >>> (made, no doubt, in a factory left behind by
> the
> >> British).
> >>> 
> >>> Enjoy!
> >>> 
> >>> --Eric
> >>> campyonly...@me.com
> >>> www.campyonly.com
> >>> www.wheelsnorth.org
> >>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Sean Whelan]

RE: Campagnolo UT Cranks - That is not the use for the tool in the photo. The 
tool is the bearing puller, to be used to pull the bearing off the crank. The 
crank is removed with an 8mm allen wrench. 

The two halves of the split spindle are held together with an allen bolt. Once 
the bolt is removed (cheap low cost tool) the cranks SHOULD come right out. 
Even easier than a crank arm puller and a 10mm wrench like the square taper 
ones.

I had an UT bearing seize, and despite that, removing the crank arms was as 
easy as undoing a single allen bolt.

Removing the bearings for replacement requires the tool in the photo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7VlQkCT9M


I don't get it.

Sean


--- On Tue, 2/28/12, rw1911  wrote:

> From: rw1911 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 9:12 PM
> Interesting that the crank is no
> cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
> torque which has a split spindle.  They should be able
> to just remove
> the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 8:02 pm, Aaron Thomas 
> wrote:
> > I have no position on Riv's business practices here,
> but on the subject of
> > today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of
> the
> > Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a
> custom? A Roadeo? And
> > why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty
> looking crank to me.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> islaysteve wrote:
> >
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant
> wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for
> sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages
> wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle
> or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo
> boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most
> here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get
> this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning
> a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> islaysteve wrote:
> >
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant
> wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for
> sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages
> wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle
> or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo
> boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most
> here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get
> this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning
> a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> islaysteve wrote:
> >
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant
> wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for
> sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages
> wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle
> or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo
> boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most
> here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get
> this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning
> a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> islaysteve wrote:
> >
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant
> wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for
> sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages
> wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle
> or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo
> boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most
> here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get
> this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning
> a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Sean Whelan]

I stand corrected. The crank in Grant's photo must be the new Power Torque. It 
does not have the split spindle, and seems to be guilty of all the sins that 
Grant notes. (fancy tools, etc.)

see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HfNMgKB1U0

Ouch.

Sean

--- On Wed, 2/29/12, Sean Whelan  wrote:

> From: Sean Whelan 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 6:17 AM
> RE: Campagnolo UT Cranks - That is
> not the use for the tool in the photo. The tool is the
> bearing puller, to be used to pull the bearing off the
> crank. The crank is removed with an 8mm allen wrench. 
> 
> The two halves of the split spindle are held together with
> an allen bolt. Once the bolt is removed (cheap low cost
> tool) the cranks SHOULD come right out. Even easier than a
> crank arm puller and a 10mm wrench like the square taper
> ones.
> 
> I had an UT bearing seize, and despite that, removing the
> crank arms was as easy as undoing a single allen bolt.
> 
> Removing the bearings for replacement requires the tool in
> the photo:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7VlQkCT9M
> 
> 
> I don't get it.
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/28/12, rw1911 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: rw1911 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post
> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 9:12 PM
> > Interesting that the crank is no
> > cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
> > torque which has a split spindle.  They should be
> able
> > to just remove
> > the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 28, 8:02 pm, Aaron Thomas 
> > wrote:
> > > I have no position on Riv's business practices
> here,
> > but on the subject of
> > > today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full
> photo of
> > the
> > > Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is
> it a
> > custom? A Roadeo? And
> > > why does the customer want it off? Seems like a
> nifty
> > looking crank to me.
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> > islaysteve wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and
> Grant
> > wouldn't be Grant without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards
> for
> > sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end
> messages
> > wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this
> non-bicycle
> > or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention
> bamboo
> > boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that
> most
> > here don't want it to be,
> > > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I
> get
> > this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > > been away from California for too long.
>  Planning
> > a visit soon.  Open for
> > > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> > islaysteve wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and
> Grant
> > wouldn't be Grant without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards
> for
> > sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end
> messages
> > wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this
> non-bicycle
> > or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention
> bamboo
> > boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that
> most
> > here don't want it to be,
> > > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I
> get
> > this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > > > been away from California for too long.
>  Planning
> > a visit soon.  Open for
> > > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8,
> > islaysteve wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and
> Grant
> > wouldn't be Grant without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards
> for
> > sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if th

Re: [RBW] Not a Riv, but a distant cousin

[Sean Whelan]

Great Restoration!

Cheers!

Sean

--- On Tue, 3/6/12, Scot Brooks  wrote:

From: Scot Brooks 
Subject: [RBW] Not a Riv, but a distant cousin
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 3:25 PM

Resurrected Bridgestone XO-4 (imgur album)

Thought you guys might get a kick out of this. I'm tempted to post some photos 
of my Sam, but this project has been at the front of my mind until yesterday 
when I finally finished it. This bike was passed down to my brother and wasn't 
in the best shape after all these years. My goal was to bring it back as an 
all-arounder city/camping/light touring bike. 
Parts highlights include Mavic A719/XT wheelset, Nitto Periscopa stem, Soma 
Moustache Bars, MKS Sneaker Pedals, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 35c tires, Campy 
clamp-on downtube shifters, Bontrager Inform saddle, and my favorite - the Gino 
light mount with Fenix E21 flashlight. 
If you look closely, you'll notice I pulled a Sheldon Brown brake routing swap 
as well.



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Re: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Sean Whelan]

I thought the same as you... but... it is not an Ultra-Torque.
It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the photo makes it seem.

Search this list for discussion.

I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:

> From: Bill M. 
> Subject: [RBW] Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 11:45 AM
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/18453547329/variety-pacque
> 
> A bit past half way down the 2/28 Blug post (yeah, I don't
> keep
> current on the Blug), there's a paragraph about wrestilng
> with a
> modern Campy crank.  The photo shows Mark attacking the
> crank with a
> puller.  The paragraph laments the loss of the
> 'servicability' of old
> Campy parts.
> 
> The thing is, that's clearly an Ultra Torque crank in the
> photo.  It
> has external cups and retaining clip on the drive side
> cup.  It's as
> easy a crank / BB to mount or dismount as it can possibly
> be.  There's
> no need for a crank puller on one of those, and no possible
> use for
> one.
> 
> The removal procedure is at the bottom of this page from
> Park Tool:
> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/external-bearing-crank-systems-hollowtech-ii-megaexo-giga-x-pipe-x-type-campagnolo-ultra-torque
> Remove one bolt from inside the split hollow spindle, remove
> the
> retainer clip, and the cranks slide right out.
> 
> Did someone manage to strip out or cross thread the spindle
> bolt?
> That would make it a pain to get the crank apart, but the
> puller
> probably wouldn't help.  You'd want to drill out the
> bolt instead.
> The only other explanation I can think of is that someone is
> treating
> that crank like it has a square taper and a cartridge
> BB.  No good
> will come of that.
> 
> I hope they haven't taken a hacksaw to that crank.
> 
> Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?

[Sean Whelan]

The only problem I have found with the UT cranks are that the bearings are not 
actually sealed. Seized drive-side bearings are fairly common, if you ride in 
all weather, as many of us do. I had to replace the bearings with less than 
5000 miles on them.

cheers,
Sean

--- On Sat, 3/10/12, Bill M.  wrote:

> From: Bill M. 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Feb 28th Blug - Are they doing what I think they are doing?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 3:46 PM
> There had to be an explanation. 
> I hadn't paid any attention to PT
> since it came out after I bought my UT cranks.  This
> looks as fun as
> extracting cotter pins from steel cranks.
> 
> I'm not big on fixing aluminum crankarms to splines, this
> reinforces
> that bias.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, Sean Whelan 
> wrote:
> > I thought the same as you... but... it is not an
> Ultra-Torque.
> > It is a Power-Torque. Power Torque is as bad as the
> photo makes it seem.
> >
> > Search this list for discussion.
> >
> > I am happy to have alloy Ultra-Torques from 2007.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sean
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Re: [RBW] Bleirot on EBAY

[Sean Whelan]

Already bidding on the San Marcos!

Sean

--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Bruce Baker  wrote:

From: Bruce Baker 
Subject: [RBW] Bleirot on EBAY
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 8:13 AM

Very nice Bleirot and SOMA San Marcos for sale on ebay!!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Bicycles-Frames-/33503/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=rivendell




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Re: [RBW] So jinx has me wondering--Homer Hilsen for Bombadil?

[Sean Whelan]

Buy a trailer like a Burley.

Sell the trailer to another like-minded cyclist when your daughter gets older.

Keep your bike.

Cheers,
Sean


--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Peter M  wrote:

> From: Peter M 
> Subject: [RBW] So jinx has me wondering--Homer Hilsen for Bombadil?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 10:19 PM
> Could not believe how succesful Jinx
> was at doing his swap so I was
> wondering if anyone out there with a 52cm Bombadil would
> ever consider
> a swap for a 54 Hilsen. They have about the same standover
> but the
> Hilsen has a shorter top tube but the real issue is my wife
> is stating
> that my Rivendell must become a bike built for two with my
> daughter
> sharing the bike since it was so "expensive".  With me
> being about 240
> and my daughter at 35lbs I feel we are going to max out the
> weight on
> the Hilsen pretty fast and was looking to haul picnics and
> other stuff
> with us. I was thinking the Bombadil would be a good fit to
> bring over
> my 650b stuff without spending too much extra. I was looking
> for one
> of the older Bomba's, not too much of a fan of the new style
> of
> diagatube. I really love the color of my hilsen and I am
> sure Joe will
> balk at me since I just picked this up from him a couple of
> months ago
> but just throwing out a feeler here, anyone with any
> interesting
> offers I am always open to talk. Here is a link to my pics
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/
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Re: [RBW] Re: So jinx has me wondering--Homer Hilsen for Bombadil?

[Sean Whelan]

A trailer brings its own set of load-bearing wheels, which a bike seat does 
not. The hitch is the only contact with your bike. It puts pressure on your 
chain stays, but I have hauled two kids, picnic lunch, etc, clamped to the back 
of a steel Bianchi with far less robustness than your Hilsen.

No problems that I could detect.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Wed, 3/14/12, Peter Morgano  wrote:

From: Peter Morgano 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: So jinx has me wondering--Homer Hilsen for Bombadil?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:31 AM

Yeah on the 54 it would be hard to squeeze in a second tube,  Haha.  Does 
trailer weight not affect the overall weight like panniers,  etc?  Just 
wondering what direction to go with the kid. 
On Mar 14, 2012 11:26 AM, "Jim"  wrote:

FWIW, I'm 280+, and ride my AHH periodically with well loaded large saddle sack 
and front slickersack, and it hasn't yet felt like the bike wasn't up to it.  
Might be the glory of the second top tube.

Jim in Boulder

On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:19:38 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:Could not believe 
how succesful Jinx was at doing his swap so I was

wondering if anyone out there with a 52cm Bombadil would ever consider

a swap for a 54 Hilsen. They have about the same standover but the

Hilsen has a shorter top tube but the real issue is my wife is stating

that my Rivendell must become a bike built for two with my daughter

sharing the bike since it was so "expensive".  With me being about 240

and my daughter at 35lbs I feel we are going to max out the weight on

the Hilsen pretty fast and was looking to haul picnics and other stuff

with us. I was thinking the Bombadil would be a good fit to bring over

my 650b stuff without spending too much extra. I was looking for one

of the older Bomba's, not too much of a fan of the new style of

diagatube. I really love the color of my hilsen and I am sure Joe will

balk at me since I just picked this up from him a couple of months ago

but just throwing out a feeler here, anyone with any interesting

offers I am always open to talk. Here is a link to my pics

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/



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[RBW] Longshot - WTB 32 Hole Campagnolo compatible rear cassette hub

[Sean Whelan]

Looking for silver, 32 Hole rear cassette hub. 9 / 10 speed compatible.

Campagnolo, White Industries, Phil wood, etc.


Please reply off-list.

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Longshot - WTB 32 Hole Campagnolo compatible rear cassette hub

[Sean Whelan]

Thanks to everyone for all of the feedback and suggestions. I am happy to 
report that a list member dug through the parts bin and found two suitable rear 
hubs and I completed a purchase of both. (I do have lockrings and cassettes in 
my stockpile).


I love this group. The most civil cycling minds anywhere. The next time I build 
a full budget wheelset, I will purchase the White Industries hubs.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Thu, 3/22/12, RonLau  wrote:

From: RonLau 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Longshot - WTB 32 Hole Campagnolo compatible rear cassette 
hub
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 3:39 PM

Sean,

I would suggest WI or if you can deal with Black hub, DT 350.  Those Campy hubs 
are nice and their street price is usually more than WI hub new.  They are very 
easy to adjust and service.

Ron



On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:54:38 AM UTC-7, Sean Whelan wrote:Looking for 
silver, 32 Hole rear cassette hub. 9 / 10 speed compatible.Campagnolo, White 
Industries, Phil wood, etc.
Please reply off-list.Thanks,
Sean



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Re: [RBW] Frame Pumps for a 64 Hillborne

[Sean Whelan]

The Campagnolo ones look very nice.

see: http://tinyurl.com/d5vkc9g

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Eric Norris  wrote:

> From: Eric Norris 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Frame Pumps for a 64 Hillborne
> To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 11:18 PM
> Zefal used to make a black plastic
> clamp-on pump peg for this type of situation. Or you can
> track down an old chrome-plated Campy clamp-on peg. 
> 
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 4S 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Mike On A Bike 
> wrote:
> 
> > I've had some trouble finding a frame pump for my new
> 64 cm Sam
> > Hillborne. I ordered an HPX 4, thinking it was sure to
> fit with the
> > enormous tube lengths on there, but it's actually too
> big to fit with
> > the pump peg, and too small to fit snugly under the
> lower top tube.
> > 
> > I'd really like to use the HPX as my frame pump, and
> I'm wondering if
> > the best option is to just strap the 4 on the lower
> tube with some
> > sort of velcro attachment? Anybody know what would be
> best to use if
> > that's the answer? Also, does anybody have a smaller
> HPX that works
> > with the pump peg, or any other good frame pump for
> that matter?
> > 
> > Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sources for decent-looking silver 1" threadless stems

[Sean Whelan]

Soma Shotwell stem in silver is not available in 1" but comes with a shim, is 
silver, and is very affordable.

see: http://store.somafab.com/soshstsi.html

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Mon, 4/9/12, C.J. Filip  wrote:

> From: C.J. Filip 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Sources for decent-looking silver 1" threadless stems
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 8:38 AM
> If the shim is a big deal, you can
> get at least get a really nice
> Thomson shim.  That's what I did for $5. 
> Acutually forgot all about
> it until I saw this posting.  
> http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222337828/125/Thomson-Stem-Shim.html.
> comes with a cap too.
> 
> On Apr 9, 4:24 am, Forrest 
> wrote:
> > I won't fret about 1" and just get what I need in a 1
> 1/8" and use the
> > shim. Thanks!  -- fm
> >
> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 4:18:01 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill -
> Hiawatha Cyclery
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Most 1-1/8 stems come with a shim. There are few,
> if any, 1" stems on the
> > > market, but I haven't done an exhaustive search.
> 1" stuff, threaded or
> > > threadless, is getting more and more oddball every
> year, as almost nobody
> > > (except Riv) makes bikes with 1" steerers now. The
> stem and headset
> > > manufacturers don't generally divert their
> resources into making
> > > aftermarket parts for older bikes. Heck, even
> 1-1/8 threadless, as we know
> > > it, is becoming somewhat outdated in a world of
> tapered steerers and
> > > integrated headset cups, but the simple-ness and
> versatility of good old
> > > 1-1/8 threadless would seem to keep it in
> widespread production for many
> > > years to come.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oddness?

[Sean Whelan]

A lot of people own bikes and don't know anything about them. Same thing 
happens 
with musical instruments, cameras, etc.
Many a fine guitar bargain was found that way. 

Someone owns an item legitimately (through co-worker, family, etc.) and then 
goes to unload it and doesn't know what it is.

While it looks odd, it isn't necessarily criminal.

Thanks,
Sean





From: EastBayGuy 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 11:48:38 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Oddness?

Here is the Serial Numbershot him an email and he gave it right up...

M1061227 he said he also saw a 1-m88.

maybe this will help

Dustin G

Walnut Creek Ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

[Sean Whelan]

How about we all stop judging this guy who we don't know, who seems to have 
been 
nice in the end?
I have more bikes than cash on hand on any given day. I don't imagine that when 
I call the furnace repair
guy to my house that he would be too happy when I said, "Thanks for fixing 
this, 
I don't have any money, would you like
my lugged steel Bianchi frame?"

We are all too far from the situation to understand it well enough to place 
value judgments. 


Glad to learn that it wasn't stolen.

Cheers,
Sean






From: Joe Bernard 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 4, 2011 12:06:40 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty


This story would be a lot happier without "construction guy takes crying girl's 
bike". How 'bout giving Crying Girl a payment plan, arsehole..
 
Joe "I'll take it, then BS people on Craigslist" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.
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[RBW] OT: WTB Brompton Folding Bike

[Sean Whelan]

Riv Content: You can use the money to buy the new SOMA San Marcos / AMOS.

OT Content: My constant business travel has me wanting to buy a Brompton folder.
Hoping someone on the list has one in his or her herd and would like to part 
with
it. Any year, any color, any model considered.

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Campy Seat Binder Bolt

[Sean Whelan]

Eric-
I may have one. Unfortunately, I am out of town until Wednesday.
If I have one, it is yours.

Sean




From: Eric Norris 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: [RBW] Campy Seat Binder Bolt

Anybody have one of these in your parts bin?  I'm looking for one like this:

http://branfordbike.com/product/campagnolo-seatpost-binder-bolt-930.htm

--Eric N
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Re: [RBW] Made it! S24O to Mt. Diablo...

[Sean Whelan]

Wow. That should end up on rivbike.com.

Sean




From: René Sterental 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: [RBW] Made it! S24O to Mt. Diablo...

More detailed report tomorrow evening when I'm back home... So a
picture will suffice for tonight!

Hunqapillar above the clouds...

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[RBW] Free Kickstand

[Sean Whelan]

Pulled from an early 90's Trek 360.

Trimmed to 265mm Long. Aluminum alloy. Made in USA.
Some discoloration from age, but works just fine.


Looks like the top one on this page: 
http://www.greenfieldny.com/chart_bicycle.htm

Will ship to anyone, anywhere. Would just ask for help with the postage. 
Probably 3 to 4 dollars in US.


Thanks,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Free Kickstand

[Sean Whelan]

This has been taken.

Thanks,
Sean




From: Sean Whelan 
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: [RBW] Free Kickstand


Pulled from an early 90's Trek 360.

Trimmed to 265mm Long. Aluminum alloy. Made in USA.
Some discoloration from age, but works just fine.


Looks like the top one on this page: 
http://www.greenfieldny.com/chart_bicycle.htm

Will ship to anyone, anywhere. Would just ask for help with the postage. 
Probably 3 to 4 dollars in US.


Thanks,
Sean




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Re: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable

[Sean Whelan]

All of the Campagnolo stuff I have says "Made in Italy."

They make cassettes, headsets, cranksets, etc.

You an buy  used or vintage Campagnolo Friction Shifters / Seatposts / Brake 
Levers / Rims / Hubs as well.

?

Sean




From: Seth Vidal 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: [RBW] parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly 
reasonable

I've been specing out a potential bicycle build and I'm trying to see
what parts I can get from places which have pretty reasonable working
conditions and rights of workers - especially something resembling a
living wage, etc.

So I am thinking places like the US, Germany, Switzerland, Japan,
Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, portions of taiwan, etc.  (RE: Taiwan
and Japan, I'm working on the basis that given Rivendell's level of
precision in their corporate behavior that they would  would not do
business with folks if they thought the workers building their bikes
were being exploited or treated badly)

I'm trying to nail down manufacturing locations for a number of products.

Some of them are easy - they list them on the site directly.

But - can anyone tell me where DT-swiss rims (for example) are made?

How about the manufacturer of any of the Grand Bois non-tire parts?

How about cassette manufacturers? Is it pretty much shimano, sram and sunrace?

Deraillers? Is it the same as the above?

I was hoping someone else has already been through this little game
and had suggestions for me.

Thanks,
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Tour de France route?

[Sean Whelan]

I was lucky enough to cycle through the forest of Rambouillet on the 2007 
London - Paris Cycle tour. It was lovely with some good rolling climbs.

As I passed the Rambouillet signs, I certainly thought of the folks in Walnut 
Creek.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Tue, 10/18/11, brian feltovich  wrote:

From: brian feltovich 
Subject: [RBW] Tour de France route?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2011, 9:57 AM

They announced the stages for next summer's Tour and the final stage goes from 
RAMBOUILLET to Paris. Finally, the Tour has a Riv connection!!

Brian
Park City, UT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Q-Factor and 52 Year Old Knees

[Sean Whelan]

I have a set of the Chrome sneakers. They are thin-soled and a bit like the old 
Chuck Taylors from Converse, but have a reinforced sole for cycling.

Not for everyone, but I dig them for both riding and just wearing as sneakers.

Cheers,
Sean

--- On Wed, 10/19/11, Andrew Johnson  wrote:

From: Andrew Johnson 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Q-Factor and 52 Year Old Knees
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 11:21 PM

I wish I could find a great non-cleated cycling shoe - something with a very 
thin but stiff sole, for my MKS touring pedals, and have wondered about the new 
Merrills. This review shows just how flexible they are, do those really work 
well for cycling?


http://www.myfivefingers.com/merrell-true-glove-review/

I'll visit the local show shop, see if they have some to try on.

- Andrew, Berkeley


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:57 PM, LF  wrote:

Liesl.

I've had knee problems on and off, for 25-years. They started during 
over-ambitious, under-conditioned cycling. Last year, I read *Born to Run,* and 
recommend it. McDougall, IIRC, explains that the foot, knee, and back are all 
part of one system, and that shoes muck up natures design -- giving rise to all 
sorts of aches and pains. Well, I developed the full compliment of aches and 
pains.


 I tried the 5-fingers "barefoot shoes," and found them kind of weird. About a 
month ago, I started wearing Merrell's barefoot True Glove shoes exclusively. 
No more sneakers, SPDs, Keens; no more padded, reinforced or healed footware. I 
like them. I am more surefooted, walk quieter, and pain free. I cycle in them. 
I wear them to work. I stand for hours comfortably. I go for hikes. I'm a 
zealous convert.


For me, daily stretches, judicious chiropractic, and "barefoot" running shoes 
free me from chronic muscular-skeletal pain of the back and lower extremities. 
YMMV. 

Any other iBobs try the barefoot thing? That, a primal diet, and Bob is your 
Uncle.


Best,
Larry







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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!

[Sean Whelan]

Wow. that bike is brilliant!

Sean

--- On Tue, 11/8/11, Marty  wrote:

From: Marty 
Subject: [RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 10:28 PM

or this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379107@N03/4349945352/in/pool-1240367@N24

double eyelets up front for that kross kountyr kiddy ride!



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[RBW] FS: Canari Sportwool Long Sleeve Jersey, XL

[Sean Whelan]

I have owned this for several years, but have not worn it very often.
It is bright blue, zippered front, with a white center band. Single zippered 
pocket on the back. No rips, no stains. Smoke-free home. I have lost quite a 
bit of weight and it is simply too big for me these days.

$16.00 Post Paid in the USA.

Photos available to interested parties.

Thanks,
Sean

The original sales blurb below:

Classic style with modern technology, this Sportwool jersey combines the
 comfort and wickability of wool with a modern lightweight weave for the
 ultimate cold weather jersey. Single zippered rear pocket, cuffed 
sleeves, 7.5" zipper. Blue (BLU).  
XL(44-46)

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[RBW] Atlantis Sighting in Pittsburgh

[Sean Whelan]

At 3:30PM, I saw an Atlantis headed out from town on Railroad Street through 
the Strip.

Anyone on the list?

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: [RBW] Re: Non-Brifter Brifter (from Blug Post)

[Sean Whelan]

Campagnolo Front Ergo Shifters are not really indexed. Lots of little clicks 
and trimming options.

I haven't tried the ones newer than 2007, but the above is true up until then...

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Mon, 11/28/11, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

From: Steve Palincsar 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Non-Brifter Brifter (from Blug Post)
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 10:04 PM

On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 17:58 -0800, James Warren wrote:
> Not for the front shifting if you want to do a triple and design your own 
> gear ratios. Limitations arise from the indexed positions of the front and 
> limited ability to trim.

Not to mention the fact that different derailleurs have different cable
pull requirements, so it's unlikely that you could, for example,
successfully index a Campagnolo front derailleur with a Shimano brifter,
or a Shimano MTB front derailleur (oh so useful for those 22/32/44
microdrive cranks) with a Shimano brifter.

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[RBW] FS: Original Rivendell WoolyWarm Leg Warmers

[Sean Whelan]

I have a pair of the Made in New Zealand, Wooly Warm Leg warmers from 
Rivendell. They are Black, in the L / XL size. Worn 6 or 7 times. Hand washed 
with Kookaburra wool wash.

In very good used condition. Originally sold for $52 to members.


$28 shipped in the USA.

Archived catalog information / photo in the link below.

Thanks,
Sean

http://web.archive.org/web/20061025081454/http://www.rivbike.com/webalog/clothing/22308.html

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Re: [RBW] FS: Original Rivendell WoolyWarm Leg Warmers

[Sean Whelan]

Sold.

Thanks,
Sean

--- On Fri, 12/2/11, Sean Whelan  wrote:

> From: Sean Whelan 
> Subject: [RBW] FS: Original Rivendell WoolyWarm Leg Warmers
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:54 AM
> I have a pair of the Made in New
> Zealand, Wooly Warm Leg warmers from Rivendell. They are
> Black, in the L / XL size. Worn 6 or 7 times. Hand washed
> with Kookaburra wool wash.
> 
> In very good used condition. Originally sold for $52 to
> members.
> 
> 
> $28 shipped in the USA.
> 
> Archived catalog information / photo in the link below.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sean
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/20061025081454/http://www.rivbike.com/webalog/clothing/22308.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

[Sean Whelan]

All of this talk has me suddenly worrying about what my many-year old rims with 
thousands of miles on them would look like in profile when hack-sawed.

I think this thread might jump start the Christmas Wheelset sales rush.

I, for one, am thinking about it rather seriously.

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> From: Grant Petersen 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 2:08 AM
> Many of you will remember, and all of
> you can relate to Keith
> Bontrager's maxim from the late '80s:
> 
> Light Strong Inexpensive: Pick Two
> 
> It works to some extent with all bike parts, but even IT
> can't come to
> the rescue when the thing is just too light.
> 
> Do you know the thickness of the braking surface on a
> typical road
> rim? It's about 1.2mm. Some are 1.1. That's what fails when
> rims wear
> out and blow out. Well...1.1 or 1.2mm looks like nothing,
> which you
> consider the abrasion they're subject to and can't possibly
> avoid.
> (Disc brakes have their own set of problems, so let's stay
> on track.)
> 
> It used to be common practice to inspect brake pads AND
> rims, but
> raise you hand if you can remember the last time you did
> that.
> 
> How much should a non-racing 700c rim weigh? How thick
> should the
> braking surface be, and how tall? How wide should it be?
> Reasonable answers,  kind of, could be: Weight: 500g.
> Thickness of
> braking surface: 2.5mm. Height: 11mm. Width: 24mm.
> But a rim with those specs would weigh about 800g. I
> believe this
> because we're having a NOBS rim made to our specs, and it
> has 1.6mm
> braking surface, 10.5mm brake surface height, is 25.4 (1)
> mm wide, and
> weighs about 650g. It's wider than 24, but way thinner than
> 2.5, and
> the 10.5<11. I think this is a totally reasonable rim,
> in every way. I
> wanted 2mm of braking surface, but that would have meant
> zero buyers,
> so we settled on the world-record 1.6, bringing the weight
> down to a
> near world record 650g, and even though I think it's a
> perfectly
> fantastic rim for general nonracing use---touring, trails,
> commuting,
> all purpose riding when there's not a timer or a finish
> line with a
> banner---I believe we'll end up selling it mostly to guys
> who weigh
> 300 pounds and are sick and tired of wheel
> problems...because most
> riders like the idea of stout stuff, but don't really want
> the weight
> that comes with it.
> We'll continue to offer other rimsbut this new rim will
> be the way
> to go when you truly, really, want a durable rim and
> wheel.
> (Anywaythe new stouty won't be available for many
> months).
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