Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Ron Mc]

Patrick, one other thing - the squeal and pad tightness are 
self-exacerbating.  That is, squeal loosens the pad and loose pad makes 
squeal.  When I get an occasional pad squeal, I seat it out with some hard 
braking, and tighten the pad nut (it will inevitably have backed off 
tight).  

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 12:18:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ron and Garth: My salmons -- all ancient -- worked quietly for years in 
> all temperatures on the same rims; they only started squealing during the 
> cold months of 2014 or so. They squealed when the rims were cleaned and 
> they squealed when the rims were left alone -- loud, embarrassing, banshee 
> shrieks under hard braking. Perhaps it's just age? I have no idea how many 
> thousands of miles are on these 2 prs of pads.
>
> And above 40*F these same pads on the same rims didn't squeal. All very 
> odd. And they stop fine, noise or no noise -- I never considered them 
> grabby.
>
> But the weatherpersons say it will approach 98 today, so I guess I can 
> procrastinate for a while.
>
> Another question: how many miles do all y'all get from your front brake 
> pads? Mine seem to be permanent, non-wearing, rather like a frame tube or 
> seatpost. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Need info on Bottom Bracket for Biopace Triple

[Garth]

When in wonder google just may help !  A quick search of this model number 
revealed this link :
http://www.velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=799B9408-3493-4BC2-BAAD-CE435E385B78&Enum=115&AbsPos=0

For use with a D3-SS 121.5 mm bottom bracket with 5 mm drive side offset 
> axle, or the more readily available *symmetrical *UN54* 127.5 mm* 
> cartridge bottom bracket


 So a current UN55 127.5 would work just fine, or Tange and other brand 
equivalent.  Most disposable cartridges follow the Shimano offsets per 
given axle length. 

cheers !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need info on Bottom Bracket for Biopace Triple

[Michael Kaiser]

Beautiful! I actually found that page but didn't read the comments closely.

Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[Robert Rutter]

How difficult was the tubeless set-up with the Barlow Pass tires?

Sweet looking rig - I imagine it rides very plush!

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 4:50:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I built a road wheelset around the HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, wanting to 
> get the plumpest tubeless road tires on my road bike.  It turns out I went 
> too wide, both in the tire and in the rim, and it just was not going to 
> work.  I took a half-step down in rim width to the normal HED Belgium C2 on 
> the road bike.  The happy consequence was my Hillborne got a nice wheel 
> upgrade, and now sports Compass Barlow Pass Extralights, tubeless, and now 
> weighs 24 pounds.
>
> Tubeless Hillborne 
> 
>
> In the process of wanting to run really fat tires on a roadish bike, I 
> decided I wanted cantilever brakes that would open WIDE, so I picked up a 
> set of Shimano CX70 brakes here on the list, only to find how hard it is to 
> actually QR them.  It's quite difficult to get the cable head out of it's 
> little receptacle.  I suspect that might have been part of why the seller 
> sold them.  Anyway, I stared and thought, and cogitated, deliberated, and 
> ruminated, and came up with a solution.  First, here's a photo of the cable 
> end we're talking about:
>
> CX70 brake 
>
> The issue is that the cylindrical head fits into the ROUND recess in the 
> front part of the brake arm, and there's a LONG finger on the back part.  
> Un-modified you have to have enough slack to get the cable part all the way 
> around that back finger, so the cylindrical head can pop out.  
>
> My modification involved filing the front face of that cylinder.  I 
> tapered the non-load bearing end quite a bit so now you can push the cable 
> straight down (in-line with the cable itself) and the cylindrical head just 
> pops out of that round hole, and frees right up.  
>
> Close-up of the mod 
> 
>
> So, if you are like me and bought CX70s for the express purpose of being 
> able to remove fat-tired wheels without deflating a tire, and you are like 
> me and dislike how hard it is to QR your CX70s, then consider this mod.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[Bill Lindsay]

Robert Rutter asked how difficult was it to set up the Barlow Passes tubeless. 

It was fairly tough as these things go. It was only my fourth time setting 
doing it so I'm by no means an expert. It was also my first time using tires 
that I would unambiguously characterize as Used tires. That part I kind of 
regret. I think in the future I will only use brand new tires. The front was 
easy and uneventful. The rear was hard to seat, even with my small compressor. 
I've managed to get some tires to seat with a floor pump but it's much better 
if you have a high flow rate air source. Even with a compressor the rear 
wouldn't seat. So I did the soapy water method, which worked well. Maybe ther 
was something smarter I could have done to try to make the remaining soapy 
water go away before adding sealant, but I just a added sealant. There was a 
lot of pinhole push through of soapy sealant all around the sidewalls. I 
flipped and swished and let it sit overnight and would wipe it off and flip it 
and let it sit again over the long weekend. Finally at the end of the weekend 
it seems to truly hold air. So again I think I may have been better off with 
new tires and possibly could have avoided the soapy water method. I feel like 
things would have settled down faster had the sealant not been mixed with some 
soapy water. Or I'll just get smarter over time. 

Bill

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[RBW] Re: FS: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork grips grooved and punched for Barend shifters - $20 shipped

[Belopsky]

SOLD

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B17 ($50 shipped), 2x XT front deraillers ($15 shipped each), Shimano UN55 68 x 115mm Bottom Bracket ($15 shipped)

[Belopsky]

Cleaning out parts I don't need.

Seat is used but not *too* abused. Copper rivets. Does not agree with me - 
I use narrow seats now.

Bottom bracket is new never installed.

Deraillers, no idea - got them but did not have the need. The clamp on is a 
top pull. The direct mount can be top or bottom, I think. Prices include 
shipping in USA


















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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

What's Steve's favorite Riv-bashing subject?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Bill Lindsay 
mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Steve retorted:

"No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right.  How bloody expensive 
is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting?  Come on - that stuff isn't expensive 
at all.  But a bicycle meant to take fenders and racks should have fender 
eyelets and rack mounts.  Period.   This has nothing to do with being 
expensive, and everything to do with being fully thought out as opposed to 
half-assed and not finished.   If that is snobbery, then so be it.   The Taylor 
brothers were constructeurs too, and god knows they were as down to earth 
working class as it comes (and I have a great reverence for Jack Taylor 
bicycles)."

Stay on topic, Steve.  We can't insist on debating if you change the subject.  
The subject, as indicated in the subject line of this very post, has nothing to 
do with mounting racks or fenders to bicycle frames.  The subject here is about 
mounting a Wald Basket to a solid front rack.  That's it.  I assert that zip 
ties are perfectly OK for mounting a Wald Basket to a Nitto Front Rack.  If you 
are agreeing with me on that point, then great we agree.

If you want to close on your change of subject, I'm willing to do that.

I agree with you that zipties are insufficient to attach a rack to a bicycle 
frame.  Anybody who does that is dumb, in my opinion.  Any manufacturer who 
recommends it is reckless.

I agree with you that a bike that is designed for fenders should have fender 
eyelets at the dropouts.  Manufacturers who make bikes without fender eyelets 
at the dropouts should not recommend installing fenders.

If you are double-changing the subject off of zipties entirely, and back to 
your favorite Riv-bashing subject, then I just don't know what to do about 
that.  Please don't tell me we are getting back on to your favorite Riv-bashing 
subject AGAIN.Talk about mind-numbingly boring.  That's even more boring 
than a dark green bicycle.





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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[masmojo]

Two things
First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket on for 
several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully endorse and 
condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there for 5 years! NO! 
And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. Quick easy fixes are 
intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or the rubber band. 
Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing the 
brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[masmojo]

Additionally,  if others hadn't noticed and I don't think they really highlight 
it, but I think the difference between the baskets that Rivendell has & the 
normal Wald baskets is the Rivendell ones are just the basket,  no handlebar 
loops or struts. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need info on Bottom Bracket for Biopace Triple

[Ginz]

I am using a 119 or 121mm (can't remember which) asym Phil Wood on an XT 
triple that came with biopace.   Chainline is perfect. 

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[RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Jayme Frye]

Joined the FATlantis movement.








 

On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of 
> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not 
> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0" 
> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on 
> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the 
> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a 
> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do 
> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.  
>
> FAT-Lantis2 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Mark Reimer]

Nice!! Those rat trap pass tires? Man the 26" Atlantis' look so good. Wish
There were 50mm wide Compass tires in 700C. Common Jan... please?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jayme Frye  wrote:

>
>
>
> Joined the FATlantis movement.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of
>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not
>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0"
>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on
>> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the
>> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a
>> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do
>> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.
>>
>> FAT-Lantis2 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting build, and I covet those tires (RTB, right?). Flipped --
Albatross bar?

The gearing is 1 X ? Does the low gear (what is it?) allow you to get up
hills easily with such a load?

What is the bag on the back? It looks like a small duffel, but it must be
designed for seat mounting. Can you describe?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Jayme Frye  wrote:

>
>
>
> Joined the FATlantis movement.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of
>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not
>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0"
>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on
>> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the
>> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a
>> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do
>> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.
>>
>> FAT-Lantis2 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Patrick Moore]

I can't say too much or praise too highly the Furious Fred, if you can run
it tubeless. Fast on pavement, too! Mine measure 51 mm on a 30 mm rim.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Nice!! Those rat trap pass tires? Man the 26" Atlantis' look so good. Wish
> There were 50mm wide Compass tires in 700C. Common Jan... please?
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jayme Frye  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joined the FATlantis movement.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of
>>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not
>>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0"
>>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on
>>> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the
>>> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a
>>> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do
>>> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.
>>>
>>> FAT-Lantis2 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 ($50 shipped), 2x XT front deraillers ($15 shipped each), Shimano UN55 68 x 115mm Bottom Bracket ($15 shipped)

[Belopsky]

Brooks is GONE.

Clamp-on derailler and bottom bracket pending..

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Anton Tutter]

I think Grant must have stock in a Zip Tie manufacturer somewhere...

Anton


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:22:21 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Additionally,  if others hadn't noticed and I don't think they really 
> highlight it, but I think the difference between the baskets that Rivendell 
> has & the normal Wald baskets is the Rivendell ones are just the basket, 
>  no handlebar loops or struts. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Philip Kim]

Looks like a compression bag from Sea to Summit 
(http://www.seatosummit.com/stuff-compression-sacks/), and just tied to the 
saddle and resting on a carradice QR support.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:44:12 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I can't say too much or praise too highly the Furious Fred, if you can run 
> it tubeless. Fast on pavement, too! Mine measure 51 mm on a 30 mm rim.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>> Nice!! Those rat trap pass tires? Man the 26" Atlantis' look so good. 
>> Wish There were 50mm wide Compass tires in 700C. Common Jan... please?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jayme Frye > > wrote:
>>
>>>
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>>> Joined the FATlantis movement.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind 
 of demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's 
 not good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 
 29x2.0" 
 knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on 
 them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the 
 Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a 
 nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do 
 it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.  

 FAT-Lantis2 

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need info on Bottom Bracket for Biopace Triple

[Michael Kaiser]

Sounds dreamy. My crankset isn't XT, though, unfortunately. Might just
ditch this crankset and pick up a new one. We'll see. I'd like to make the
set work if I can determine appropriate bb length and potentially swap out
the biopace. I've heard such disparaging information about them, but no one
seems torn about round rings, and I'm not the type to run with the
different set to test out how they effect my knees. I'd rather go with
round, which I know are fine, and save the knees.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Toe clips, 7 speed mtb wheelset, Brahma Bar/T-Bone stem combo

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This may be a Schrodinger's Cat situation, but since it is still not sold 
on RBW, I'll take the wheelset, Patrick.

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 3:02:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Prices do not include shipping. 
>
> 1. Pair Avocet L clips, used, $10.
>
> 2. Pair Ideale, SM or M?, $10.
>
> 3. 7 speed mtb wheelset with Deore DX hubs (original '90s version) /Avenir 
> Duro 17 rims, rims drilled for Shrader valves:
>
> > No cassette, $50. 
> > With 7 speed cassette $60.
>
> Note: Cheap heavy tires, as new, and thorn proof (they feel heavy enough 
> for it) tubes included or removed as buyer wishes.
>
> 4. Tioga T-Bone stem, 135 mm, $10.
>
> 5. Brahma Bar, $20.
>
> Take both the stem and bar for $25.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 ($50 shipped), 2x XT front deraillers ($15 shipped each), Shimano UN55 68 x 115mm Bottom Bracket ($15 shipped)

[Belopsky]

also the direct mount derailler is indeed bottom OR top pull

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:05:30 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Cleaning out parts I don't need.
>
> Seat is used but not *too* abused. Copper rivets. Does not agree with me - 
> I use narrow seats now.
>
> Bottom bracket is new never installed.
>
> Deraillers, no idea - got them but did not have the need. The clamp on is 
> a top pull. The direct mount can be top or bottom, I think. Prices include 
> shipping in USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Toe clips, 7 speed mtb wheelset, Brahma Bar/T-Bone stem combo

[Patrick Moore]

Mark -- sorry, the wheelset has been claimed. If the deal falls through,
I'll let you know.

Patrick

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:04 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> This may be a Schrodinger's Cat situation, but since it is still not sold
> on RBW, I'll take the wheelset, Patrick.
>
>
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 3:02:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Prices do not include shipping.
>>
>> 1. Pair Avocet L clips, used, $10.
>>
>> 2. Pair Ideale, SM or M?, $10.
>>
>> 3. 7 speed mtb wheelset with Deore DX hubs (original '90s version)
>> /Avenir Duro 17 rims, rims drilled for Shrader valves:
>>
>> > No cassette, $50.
>> > With 7 speed cassette $60.
>>
>> Note: Cheap heavy tires, as new, and thorn proof (they feel heavy enough
>> for it) tubes included or removed as buyer wishes.
>>
>> 4. Tioga T-Bone stem, 135 mm, $10.
>>
>> 5. Brahma Bar, $20.
>>
>> Take both the stem and bar for $25.
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>>
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>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
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Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Paul]

I have the large Wald basket from Rivbike tied to my rear rack with about a 
dozen of these 
http://m.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-brand-8-in-x-1-2-in-Reusable-Ties-50-Pack-90924/202261940



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  Bill Lindsay : Jun 06 04:42PM -0700




Steve retorted:

 

"No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right.  How bloody 

expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting?  Come on - that stuff 

isn't expensive at all.  But a bicycle meant to take fenders and racks 

should have fender eyelets and rack mounts.  Period.   This has nothing to 

do with being expensive, and everything to do with being fully thought out 

as opposed to half-assed and not finished.   If that is snobbery, then so 

be it.   The Taylor brothers were constructeurs too, and god knows they 

were as down to earth working class as it comes (and I have a great 

reverence for Jack Taylor bicycles)."

 

Stay on topic, Steve.  We can't insist on debating if you change the 

subject.  The subject, as indicated in the subject line of this very post, 

has nothing to do with mounting racks or fenders to bicycle frames.  The 

subject here is about mounting a Wald Basket to a solid front rack.  That's 

it.  I assert that zip ties are perfectly OK for mounting a Wald Basket to 

a Nitto Front Rack.  If you are agreeing with me on that point, then great 

we agree.

 

If you want to close on your change of subject, I'm willing to do that. 

 

I agree with you that zipties are insufficient to attach a rack to a 

bicycle frame.  Anybody who does that is dumb, in my opinion.  Any 

manufacturer who recommends it is reckless.  

 

I agree with you that a bike that is designed for fenders should have 

fender eyelets at the dropouts.  Manufacturers who make bikes without 

fender eyelets at the dropouts should not recommend installing fenders.  

 

If you are double-changing the subject off of zipties entirely, and back to 

your favorite Riv-bashing subject, then I just don't know what to do about 

that.  Please don't tell me we are getting back on to your favorite 

Riv-bashing subject *AGAIN*.Talk about mind-numbingly boring.  That's 

even more boring than a dark green bicycle.  

 

 

 

 


  

  

  Bill Lindsay : Jun 06 04:51PM -0700




Steve recommended: 

 

"And apropos of the day, you might want to listen to this: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-weBUzQleo   "

 

For those who don't like clicking links, Steve's link was to a recording of 

the radio message FDR delivered to the American people on the morning after 

Operation Overlord had initiated, the bulk of which was a prayer for the 

brave soldiers and the nation.  I'm very familiar with that message, but 

it's moving to hear it again.


  

  

  Steve Palincsar : Jun 06 09:42PM -0400




On 06/06/2016 07:42 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> front rack.  That's it.  I assert that zip ties are perfectly OK for 

> mounting a Wald Basket to a Nitto Front Rack.  If you are agreeing 

> with me on that point, then great we agree.

 

And we do indeed agree, subject to my proviso regard UV resistance.


  

  

  Anton Tutter : Jun 06 06:52PM -0700




Oh boy. 

 

 



 

 

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:


  

  

  Steve Palincsar : Jun 06 10:05PM -0400




Nothing boring about that bad boy.

 

On 06/06/2016 09:52 PM, Anton Tutter wrote:


  

  

  David Hays : Jun 06 10:07PM -0400




Always love seeing that Mercian Anton.

David

 

 


 

[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Ryan Fleming]

Congratulations Renegood for you. You should feel proud. Pictures please

My longest ride this year so far was yesterday for a local charity on 
Sunday , but only 72 km with missed cues out  on a circular route out to 
 Ste Adolphe and back...official distance was 65 km but, directionally 
challenged as I am I managed to make it longer. Good opportunity to try out 
the 32mm extralight Stampede Pass tires on the Riv road. Very impressed 
with the tires which replaced 32mm Paselas. Good job, Mr Heine

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, ho

[RBW] Re: Hat quest

[EGNolan]

Deacon,
Can we get an update on your hat situation? I'm in a similar boat in 
regards to what I want from a hat (though no real descents 'round here).

Best,
Eric
Indpls.

On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 6:07:51 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> http://connerhats.com/yellowstone-cotton-outdoor-hiking-hat.html
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 4:05:14 PM UTC-6, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> BobbyB
>>
>> So many hats.  Which is the one you say is from MASH??
>>
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Re: [RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[John Phillips]

Ken, So you can trust the sizing guidelines on the Veeka website?

John

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 11:07:08 AM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>
> My hands are regular and the medium gloves fit me fine.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:19 AM, John Phillips  > wrote:
>
>> Ken,   Do those Veeka gloves fit true to size, or do you recommend buying 
>> up or down a size or two?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:28:05 PM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>
>>> http://veeka.cc/usa/product-category/gloves/
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:54 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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 Planet Bike has similar gloves. I would never had gotten them but my 
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>>> Where did my hair go?
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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Philip Kim]

Same. I've used zipties for years and lugged all my groceries two and from. 
Anywhere around 20-30 pounds. No problems. I believe the same zipties have 
been on there for two years now. I use a clear kind that is very thick and 
long. I mount them the way Rivendell suggests with the double 8 figure 
style looping.

I don't see what the fuss is. If you maintain your bike, it takes just a 
few seconds to look over your zipties, and if they feel weak or you see the 
plastic thinning out, then just cut them and put on a new set. Takes less 
than 5 minutes.

If you want to spend the time and money on copper/ss wiring, all the more 
power to you.

I can't find it anymore, but I remember a lister posted his wald basket 
modification so he could sort of "clip in" the basket and take it off the 
rack whenever he pleased. Now that, I would take the time to make.

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Zipties are freaking awesome.  I'll stop using zipties when I stop 
> appreciating all inexpensive, elegant, reliable, ingenious inventions.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:57:43 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> Right, I think the standard Riv setup is to use zip ties, which they 
>> recommend on their website (and which I firmly disagree with).
>> I've attached Wald baskets using SS wire. This takes more time than zip 
>> ties, but is infinitely more reliable (still, good ol' nuts and bolts are 
>> best).
>>
>> Anton
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:12:11 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the difference between Walds normal baskets & Rivendells is the 
>>> Riv baskets look like they dont have the hangers or struts. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Ryan Fleming]

yup...I got a couple of pairs of these a couple of years ago and they're 
really quite good at an unbeatable pricewashed them quite a few times 
and no issues

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 10:01:53 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> I have been happy with these: 
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/mProduct4_10052_10053_172750_-1_catNav
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RE: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Paul]

Apologies for not deleting the digest portion of my post.My bad.Anyway to 
delete the whole thing?
Those velcro wraps have proven to work very well for me for about two years or 
a bit over now and sometimes I load it pretty heavyin the 30 pound range.
Again , sorry about the digest mode screw up.



Paul in Dallas

 Original message 
From: Paul  
Date: 6/7/2016  10:27 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??) 




I have the large Wald basket from Rivbike tied to my rear rack with about a 
dozen of these 
http://m.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-brand-8-in-x-1-2-in-Reusable-Ties-50-Pack-90924/202261940



Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Separation anxiety at an all time high!!

[Hugh Smitham]

Separation anxiety is lessening I'm down from three Zolofts a day down to
one thanks to my good friend Tom Virgil. Sometime today he's making the
Alba drop off at an undisclosed San Diego location. Once the Alba's and I
are acquainted I figure I can go off this nasty pharma and live life
anxiety free knowing that soon one of my rigs will afford an upright
position.

Thank you all for playing along and a big Riv hug to you Tom.

Warm Regards,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hi Group,
>
> Not having a set of Alba's has left me with some nagging anxiety...
>
> I don't have any immediate plans to mount a set of these, but I think I'll
> feel better knowing a set are out in the garage.
>
> Help me lessen my anxiety. PM me if you have a aluminum set in good shape.
> Please include a pic and what your asking? We'll figure the shipping cost.
> Of course payment via PayPal.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[René Sterental]

Thank you so much for all your comments. I feel awesome and proud that I
did it! Glad you've enjoyed my report.

Here are the photos! I have to get some better setup to easily take photos
while riding, but just carried my iPhone and didn't stop at every vantage
point like I would have normally.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157668966424212

@ Patrick: Thanks for the feedback on the freewheel/cassette. This is
actually an XT/A17 36 spoked wheel set that Rich built for me, and this
effect was only noticeable at the 25+ mph descents. Very noticeable when I
was descending at 42+ mph! How would I check to see if there is something
to fix/grease/clean? Pedaling normally I don't get this effect. I also
noticed today, that when I'm pedaling and then stop to coast, my feet don't
just stop, but there is a little backpedaling gap before the settle in the
coasting position, typically one pedal up and the other down. That slight
backpedal plus whatever "inertia" happens on the cassette bunches the chain
even more. Has anyone else experienced this? What have you done about it?

Thanks again for all your kind words of support, encouragement and
congratulations!

René

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Congratulations Renegood for you. You should feel proud. Pictures
> please
>
> My longest ride this year so far was yesterday for a local charity on
> Sunday , but only 72 km with missed cues out  on a circular route out to
>  Ste Adolphe and back...official distance was 65 km but, directionally
> challenged as I am I managed to make it longer. Good opportunity to try out
> the 32mm extralight Stampede Pass tires on the Riv road. Very impressed
> with the tires which replaced 32mm Paselas. Good job, Mr Heine
>
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake
>> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control
>> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I
>> got. And I got to the end!
>>
>> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer
>> is equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders,
>> Compass Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust
>> saddle, front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan
>> saddlebag, standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34
>> cassette (o how I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>>
>> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack
>> (first time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is
>> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on
>> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike,
>> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is
>> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my
>> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>>
>> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after
>> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a
>> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring
>> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock
>> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt
>> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just
>> in case.
>>
>> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode
>> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay
>> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a
>> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on.
>> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second
>> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my
>> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana
>> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest
>> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water
>> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to
>> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu
>> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop
>> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up
>> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt
>> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the
>> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 -
>> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there
>> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end
>> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on 

[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Hugh Smitham]

Nice report Rene. I'd like to do this ride one of these days. The Hilsen is 
a magical worthy steed.

~Hugh

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next 
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas 
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink 
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maximum 
> Aerobic Function) heart rate, which you estimate by substracting your age 
> from 180 and fine tuning it for your state of fitness, i

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

I retract that comment.  Steve makes several truthful, honest and objective 
observations about Rivendell Bicycles.  He makes them repeatedly.  I don't 
know which one is his favorite.  I don't even know which one he recounts 
most often.  In my view, his top 5 most common truthful and accurate, 
objective observations about Rivendell are:

1.  Rivendells use OS tubing
2.  Rivendells have high trail and high flop AND Rivendell Bicycle Works 
also recommends and sells cargo carrying products intended for the front of 
bicycles
3.  Rivendell bicycles have zero extra purpose-built features to manage 
dynamo wiring AND Rivendell Bicycle Works also recommends and sells dynamo 
lighting
4.  One Atlantis Steve saw needed a 1" spacer at the chainstay bridge to 
achieve acceptable fender line.  Rivendell Bicycle Works also recommends 
and sells fenders
5.  Rivendell sells expensive bicycles AND Rivendell's BLUG celebrates 
inexpensive solutions to various problems

Those are 5 objective facts that nobody could honestly dispute.  Steve 
tends to repeat those facts honestly and objectively.  I often find the 
conclusions Steve draws from those objective facts ... ungenerous.  Calling 
it Riv-bashing is overstating my opinion somewhat.  I initially thought 
Steve was getting at #5 with his anti-zip-tie stuff.  I think it is 
snobbish to dismiss inexpensive solutions purely because they are 
inexpensive.  There's another message board, called iBob, that celebrates 
inexpensive and effective solutions to problems.  Ironically, Steve is a 
moderator on that board.  That irony has stricken me for several years now. 
 The topic I feared he was heading towards is #4.  Now, I actually think he 
might have been taking us towards #3.  Rhetorically, he has his patterns, 
and I'm one who does not like to be rhetorically 'herded', so I tried to 
anticipate.  

Please, everybody, understand that I like Steve very much, and respect him 
a great deal.  I think he's kind of grouchy about certain things, and he 
and I exchange somewhere between 10 and 20 personal emails a year, and 
probably 3/4 of them are pleasant.  I think he sometimes unnecessarily 
draws ungenerous conclusions about Rivendell Bicycle Works based on his 
true and correct observations.  We debate because he bases everything on 
facts.  I only take issue with the conclusions he draws from those facts. 
 When I'm being ungenerous to Steve, I call it Riv-bashing.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:10:30 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> What's Steve's favorite Riv-bashing subject?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Robert F. Harrison]

Great job and wonderful report! Glad it hear it went well. Keep it up!

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle,
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag,
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike,
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on.
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 -
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know,
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maximum
> Aerobic Function) heart rate, which you estimate by substracting your age
> from 180 and fine tuning it for your state of fitness, illness, etc. For
> me, at 56, it meant that my maximum HR is 124, and even though in some of
> my 

Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

That's good to know, although I doubt I'd be able to afford that kind of 
surgery (I work for republicans after all).

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 06/02/2016 05:30 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
> > For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty joints 
> finally crap out. 
> > 
>
> Even when they do, prosthetics don't require electric powered bicycles 
> (having half an artificial knee I can speak with personal knowledge on 
> this subject).  Actually most everyone I know using e-bikes has either 
> blocked coronary arteries or a heart damaged by an MI.  That could just 
> be the demographic I hang out with, though... 
>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Masmojo,

You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
 To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 


The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop using 
something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean what 
you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said "please 
please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
 If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Two things
> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket 
> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully 
> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there 
> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. 
> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or 
> the rubber band. 
> Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing 
> the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Joe Bernard]

Something is binding up in the cassette area and causing the freehub to not 
backpedal freely. Mark at RBW might have an answer for you...he's been working 
on bikes forever, and riding/racing them in crazy conditions which gunk 
everything up. But the first/easiest step would be to pull and reinstall the 
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[RBW] FS: Birkenstock 'Birko Flor' Milano size 42 / US 9 $85 shipped USA + some free goodies (bar end shifter, spd pedals)

[Belopsky]

They are black synthetic 'birko flor', not leather. What I am told is that 
this lasts longer and does not stretch, don't have to worry about water, 
etc. 

Just got these in TODAY but I should have bought local for sizing..cannot 
return.. so.. *BRAND NEW* Will go out via Priority Mail. $85 shipped USA. 

I'll throw in 1 shimano 105 (older) downtube shifter on a bar-end pod and 
used Shimano SPD pedals if that sweetens the deal



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[RBW] Re: FS: Birkenstock 'Birko Flor' Milano size 42 / US 9 $85 shipped USA + some free goodies (bar end shifter, spd pedals)

[Belopsky]

Also I am a very quick shipper, if bought and paid for in the next few 
hours, would go out today to ya!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[René Sterental]

Thanks Joe. I'll check that.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Something is binding up in the cassette area and causing the freehub to
> not backpedal freely. Mark at RBW might have an answer for you...he's been
> working on bikes forever, and riding/racing them in crazy conditions which
> gunk everything up. But the first/easiest step would be to pull and
> reinstall the wheel, making sure not to overtighten the qr skewer. Good
> luck!
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[RBW] PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Bill Lindsay]

This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
here we are.  

Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
 I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html

Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
local to me, so I can provide that help. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[René Sterental]

Oops!

Photos are now Public. Sorry about that if you tried to view the album.

René

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Thanks Joe. I'll check that.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Something is binding up in the cassette area and causing the freehub to
>> not backpedal freely. Mark at RBW might have an answer for you...he's been
>> working on bikes forever, and riding/racing them in crazy conditions which
>> gunk everything up. But the first/easiest step would be to pull and
>> reinstall the wheel, making sure not to overtighten the qr skewer. Good
>> luck!
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Belopsky]

This is a great deal for someone!

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:20:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
> here we are.  
>
> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>
> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Bill Lindsay]

So you rode clockwise?  I've done that ride once, (25 years ago!) but I 
went counter-clockwise starting and finishing in South Lake Tahoe.  How did 
you feel about the shoulder?  Did you feel safe enough?  Were there any 
sketchy sections?

Bill

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next 
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas 
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink 
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maxim

[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Nick Ybarra]

I definitely agree w/Belopsky.  If I hadn't just bought Bruce's 59cm Roadeo 
yesterday (s excited!), I'd probably be contacting Chris about this 
very well thought out build.  


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:23:20 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> This is a great deal for someone!
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:20:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
>> here we are.  
>>
>> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
>> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
>> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
>> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
>> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
>> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
>> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
>> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
>> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
>> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
>> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
>> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>>
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>>
>> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
>> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
>> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
>> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow, who knew Wald basket attachment methods could be so passionately 
debated. This is the most exciting part of my day so far!

Bill, I don't think anyone commented with the idea of seriously telling you 
what to do. I think it's just a way of writing or talking about a position 
somebody might have a strong opinion about. If they were in fact trying to 
zealously convert you over to the non-zip world, they are indeed foolhardy!

In terms of UV problems, I came across a lifetime supply of "Fence Ties" at 
a garage sale. They are made by Tenax, are bright green, and resist UV 
rays, probably long enough for Bill to win his bet and then some. I suspect 
they would go well with BRG...

 As far as stress breakage, I think with enough points of attachment, and 
pulling tight, using the corners so they have nowhere to wiggle or slide, 
it will be fine 98.76 percent of the time. But still, that stainless steel 
wire wrap is tres cool! 

I do think how a man or woman chooses to attach things to their bicycle in 
some way speaks to their personality. Although, as Freud (or was it Yogi?) 
once said, sometimes a zip tie is just a zip tie. But I draw the line at 
zip-tying racks.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:05:49 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Masmojo,
>
> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
>  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
> going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
> 
>
> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop using 
> something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean what 
> you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said "please 
> please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
> recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
> fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
> fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
> recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
> use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
>  If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
> educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
> temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
> solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
> and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Two things
>> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket 
>> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully 
>> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there 
>> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. 
>> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or 
>> the rubber band. 
>> Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing 
>> the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!
>>
>>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Will]

I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on 
baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the 
safety thing. 

It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff 
into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that interfers with 
your steering control at speed... well I dunno, it seems inconsistant to 
me. If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
connection.

Consider the level of vibration the zip ties must mitigate. Clearly there 
is an opportunity for failure. 

As for Anton and Masmojo GP has a whole slew of things he does not 
condone... skinny tires, carbon anything, big ring chainwheels, undignified 
paint schemes, short chainstays, low spoke wheels, low trail front ends, 
etc just saying...   :-)

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Masmojo,
>
> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
>  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
> going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
> 
>
> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop using 
> something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean what 
> you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said "please 
> please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
> recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
> fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
> fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
> recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
> use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
>  If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
> educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
> temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
> solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
> and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Two things
>> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket 
>> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully 
>> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there 
>> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. 
>> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or 
>> the rubber band. 
>> Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing 
>> the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!
>>
>>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Joe Bernard]

I'm late to this thread, and quite amused by it. It has the ring of many of my 
political discussions with opposite-party friends on Twitter. "I respectfully 
disagree in spite of how wrong you are how are the kids good day sir." ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[René Sterental]

Yes, the official ride is always clockwise. On the first ride of the year,
first Sunday of June, since it's the official all-country Team in Training
ride with teams coming from all over the country, they close the climb to
Emerald Bay/Vikingsholm from 6:30 - 8:00 AM on the same direction, so
cyclist can use the full lane. On the second ride of the year in September,
since there are fewer cyclists, they don't do that.

The shoulder is mostly fine, but since I go slow on all the uphills no
matter the gradient, when available, I take the paved bike trails that
parallel the road to avoid getting passed on narrow shoulders. With so many
cyclists on the road though, it's not a problem with cars and drivers.

On the Spooner climb, you do have the "worse" conditions because on many
sections of the climb there are cars parked on the shoulder and car traffic
going uphill, plus there are sections where there is virtually no shoulder
(just a foot or so). It's still not a problem on the ride with so many
riders. I always ride as close to the right as it's safe to do it and
people are very good (the large majority anyway) about saying "On your
left" to let you know that they are going to pass.

The descent into Incline Village, where you go at speed, also has a very
narrow shoulder but you're basically going 30+mph so when I rode that
section, I just stayed on the road between cars, who were traveling at the
same speed, probably because they were going slower due to the cyclists
riding ahead and the upcoming traffic.

There are no sketchy sections per se, where you would feel unsafe, but you
do have to be comfortable holding a steady straight line when climbing
slowly and not weaving around.

Then on the exhilarating descent on the Carson Freeway, the cyclists
basically take the right lane and cars go on the other lanes, but there
aren't that many cars.

René

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> So you rode clockwise?  I've done that ride once, (25 years ago!) but I
> went counter-clockwise starting and finishing in South Lake Tahoe.  How did
> you feel about the shoulder?  Did you feel safe enough?  Were there any
> sketchy sections?
>
> Bill
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake
>> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control
>> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I
>> got. And I got to the end!
>>
>> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer
>> is equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders,
>> Compass Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust
>> saddle, front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan
>> saddlebag, standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34
>> cassette (o how I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>>
>> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack
>> (first time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is
>> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on
>> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike,
>> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is
>> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my
>> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>>
>> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after
>> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a
>> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring
>> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock
>> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt
>> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just
>> in case.
>>
>> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode
>> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay
>> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a
>> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on.
>> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second
>> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my
>> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana
>> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest
>> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water
>> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to
>> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu
>> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop
>> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up
>> to 107.4 degrees and there 

Re: [RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Ken Mattina]

Trust?  I would probably say that the sizing guidelines worked for me.

Ken


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:09 AM, John Phillips 
wrote:

> Ken, So you can trust the sizing guidelines on the Veeka website?
>
> John
>
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 11:07:08 AM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>> My hands are regular and the medium gloves fit me fine.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:19 AM, John Phillips 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,   Do those Veeka gloves fit true to size, or do you recommend
>>> buying up or down a size or two?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:28:05 PM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:

 http://veeka.cc/usa/product-category/gloves/

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> Planet Bike has similar gloves. I would never had gotten them but my
> brother in law gave them as a gift. Nice gloves!
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[masmojo]

Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to condone 
that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually,  Bill I used that language 
intentionally,  because I thought it humorous.  As if my condoning anything 
meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My sense of humor is rather 
dry & droll at the same time,  sadly. 
Thay said zip ties are a cheap hack, always have been & always will be. No harm 
in that, but I personally feel thats not acceptable to me as a long term 
solution,  especially in holding on a basket for numerous years.  Now, maybe 
you are using zip ties as a sort of camouflage!? Making the bike look trashy by 
festooning it with zip ties, pieces of twine, a copious number of frame 
stickers, etc. can be a very effective theft deterrent; in which case I applaud 
the individuals ingenuity! But, at the end of the day it seems like antithema 
or insult to do this to a very beautiful & expensive bike.

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Will

Thanks for that response.  I use 8 zipties to attach my basket to my rack. 
 If one of them failed, I'd see it.  It's right there in front of my face. 
 It would take all 8 failing to fall off my rack.  I'm not worried about 
it, but I do pay attention to it.  If one breaks and I replace it, I 
promise I will report about it.  :-)  I also run an Irish strap around the 
tombstone and basket and my handlebar, a cheap hack safety recommendation I 
picked up from the BLUG, and from multiple Riv employees.   You can kind of 
see it here:

Strapped 

I agree that maybe Anton and Masmojo both didn't mean what they said when 
they told me to stop using zipties.  Grant never says "stop using your 
carbon fork" or "stop using your carbon bicycle" or "stop using skinny 
tires".  He only gives reasons why he thinks you shouldn't use those 
products.  If you don't think they are valid reasons you won't be 
convinced.  If you do think they are valid reasons, you will be convinced.  



On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:36:59 AM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on 
> baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the 
> safety thing. 
>
> It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff 
> into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that interfers with 
> your steering control at speed... well I dunno, it seems inconsistant to 
> me. If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
> connection.
>
> Consider the level of vibration the zip ties must mitigate. Clearly there 
> is an opportunity for failure. 
>
> As for Anton and Masmojo GP has a whole slew of things he does not 
> condone... skinny tires, carbon anything, big ring chainwheels, undignified 
> paint schemes, short chainstays, low spoke wheels, low trail front ends, 
> etc just saying...   :-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Masmojo,
>>
>> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
>>  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
>> going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
>> 
>>
>> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop 
>> using something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean 
>> what you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said 
>> "please please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
>> recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
>> fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
>> fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
>> recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
>> use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
>> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
>> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
>>  If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
>> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
>> educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
>> temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
>> solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
>> and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
>> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
>> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
>> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
>> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
>> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> Two things
>>> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket 
>>> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully 
>>> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there 
>>> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. 
>>> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or 
>>> the rubber band. 
>>> Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing 
>>> the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[masmojo]

Yes, a good observation Joe, I was just noticing the other day how many Ebikes 
had fatter tires. Heck, a fair number are fatbikes!
I put fatter (2.2") tires on my Clementine the other day and just the 
additional weight of the tires themselves over my previous ones,  gave me pause 
to think about the consequences of adding power & weight!

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

masmojo

I had a feeling you didn't mean it.  I think it's great to hand out 
approval liberally.  It's the disapproval that you should be really careful 
with.  If you meant it as a joke, I accept that.  

I agree that my Joe Appaloosa was very expensive and 8 zipties are very 
inexpensive.  I understand the opinion that the cost of 8 zipties is too 
low to deserve being places on a Joe Appaloosa.  It makes me want to go 
into business artisinally curating zipties, and selling them for $3 apiece. 
 Then it will be sufficiently expensive to deserve placement on a $3000 
bicycle.  I understand the opinion that expensive bikes shouldn't have any 
inexpensive things on them.  I respectfully disagree with that opinion.  If 
the features are appropriate, the cost is what it is.  I'll pay a LOT for 
the right features, and I'll pay a little if cheap parts have the right 
features.  

Bill

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to 
> condone that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually,  Bill I used 
> that language intentionally,  because I thought it humorous.  As if my 
> condoning anything meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My 
> sense of humor is rather dry & droll at the same time,  sadly. 
> Thay said zip ties are a cheap hack, always have been & always will be. No 
> harm in that, but I personally feel thats not acceptable to me as a long 
> term solution,  especially in holding on a basket for numerous years.  Now, 
> maybe you are using zip ties as a sort of camouflage!? Making the bike look 
> trashy by festooning it with zip ties, pieces of twine, a copious number of 
> frame stickers, etc. can be a very effective theft deterrent; in which case 
> I applaud the individuals ingenuity! But, at the end of the day it seems 
> like antithema or insult to do this to a very beautiful & expensive bike.

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

Bill, I think the issue is that *because they deteriorate with exposure 
to the elements* and *because a failure of a loaded rack or basket could 
conceivably land you in deep kimshie,* zip ties which may be *perfectly 
satisfactory for a quick temporary expedient solution* may be *an 
inappropriate **long-term solution.*   That's what I've said and that's 
what's quoted down below.  Once again, it has nothing to do with whether 
zip ties are expensive or not; if they were artisinally curated three 
bucks each zip ties then in my opinion for whatever that's worth they 
would cease to be a "cheap" hack, but would certainly continue to be a 
hack.


On 06/07/2016 03:01 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

masmojo

I had a feeling you didn't mean it.  I think it's great to hand out 
approval liberally.  It's the disapproval that you should be really 
careful with.  If you meant it as a joke, I accept that.


I agree that my Joe Appaloosa was very expensive and 8 zipties are 
very inexpensive.  I understand the opinion that the cost of 8 zipties 
is too low to deserve being places on a Joe Appaloosa.  It makes me 
want to go into business artisinally curating zipties, and selling 
them for $3 apiece.  Then it will be sufficiently expensive to deserve 
placement on a $3000 bicycle.  I understand the opinion that expensive 
bikes shouldn't have any inexpensive things on them.  I respectfully 
disagree with that opinion.  If the features are appropriate, the cost 
is what it is.  I'll pay a LOT for the right features, and I'll pay a 
little if cheap parts have the right features.


Bill

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:

Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue
to condone that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually,
 Bill I used that language intentionally,  because I thought it
humorous.  As if my condoning anything meant squat to anybody
which I am sure it doesn't! My sense of humor is rather dry &
droll at the same time,  sadly.
Thay said zip ties are a cheap hack, always have been & always
will be. No harm in that, but I personally feel*thats not
acceptable to me as a long term solution,*  especially in holding
on a basket *for numerous years. * Now, maybe you are using zip
ties as a sort of camouflage!? Making the bike look trashy by
festooning it with zip ties, pieces of twine, a copious number of
frame stickers, etc. can be a very effective theft deterrent; in
which case I applaud the individuals ingenuity! But, at the end of
the day it seems like antithema or insult to do this to a very
beautiful & expensive bike.

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Joe Bernard]

Riv specifically states that you need to use a bunch of zip-ties on a basket. I 
think the odds of enough of them failing at the same time to cause basket 
spillage are very low unless you're bombing down a ski run at Northstar with a 
basketed Rivbike. Don't do that. 

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Anton Tutter]

Bill,

You interpreted my post  ("please, please don't use zip-ties") as being 
directed toward you since you posted about using zip-ties, when in fact it 
was directed at the original poster, who is/was (maybe not now after this 
debate?) asking about a Wald basket for his daughter's bike. The "please, 
please don't" was simply rhetoric for "I don't recommend", but again, and 
more importantly, it was directed at the OP, not you. Whether or not you 
had posted your zip-tie comment before I posted in this thread, I would 
have made the same comment against using zip-ties. I know you to make sound 
decisions regarding the build details of your own bikes, but that doesn't 
mean I won't disagree, especially when an inquiry is made that invites 
suggestions.

Anton

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Will
>
> Thanks for that response.  I use 8 zipties to attach my basket to my rack. 
>  If one of them failed, I'd see it.  It's right there in front of my face. 
>  It would take all 8 failing to fall off my rack.  I'm not worried about 
> it, but I do pay attention to it.  If one breaks and I replace it, I 
> promise I will report about it.  :-)  I also run an Irish strap around the 
> tombstone and basket and my handlebar, a cheap hack safety recommendation I 
> picked up from the BLUG, and from multiple Riv employees.   You can kind of 
> see it here:
>
> Strapped 
>
> I agree that maybe Anton and Masmojo both didn't mean what they said when 
> they told me to stop using zipties.  Grant never says "stop using your 
> carbon fork" or "stop using your carbon bicycle" or "stop using skinny 
> tires".  He only gives reasons why he thinks you shouldn't use those 
> products.  If you don't think they are valid reasons you won't be 
> convinced.  If you do think they are valid reasons, you will be convinced.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:36:59 AM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>>
>> I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on 
>> baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the 
>> safety thing. 
>>
>> It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff 
>> into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that interfers with 
>> your steering control at speed... well I dunno, it seems inconsistant to 
>> me. If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
>> connection.
>>
>> Consider the level of vibration the zip ties must mitigate. Clearly there 
>> is an opportunity for failure. 
>>
>> As for Anton and Masmojo GP has a whole slew of things he does not 
>> condone... skinny tires, carbon anything, big ring chainwheels, undignified 
>> paint schemes, short chainstays, low spoke wheels, low trail front ends, 
>> etc just saying...   :-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Masmojo,
>>>
>>> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
>>>  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
>>> going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop 
>>> using something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean 
>>> what you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said 
>>> "please please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
>>> recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
>>> fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
>>> fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
>>> recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
>>> use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
>>> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
>>> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
>>>  If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
>>> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
>>> educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
>>> temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
>>> solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
>>> and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
>>> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
>>> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
>>> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
>>> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
>>> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 20

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Since they last for >20 years on the roof, I trust they will outlive me on 
a bike that will spend 99% of it's life indoors.  I promise if one of the 8 
fails for any reason, I will let the group know.  If they failed with 
anything like the regularity you seem to suspect, I would stop using them. 
 It's 17 months now.  

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:16:30 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Bill, I think the issue is that *because they deteriorate with exposure 
> to the elements* and *because a failure of a loaded rack or basket could 
> conceivably land you in deep kimshie,* zip ties which may be *perfectly 
> satisfactory for a quick temporary expedient solution* may be *an 
> inappropriate **long-term solution.*   That's what I've said and that's 
> what's quoted down below.  Once again, it has nothing to do with whether 
> zip ties are expensive or not; if they were artisinally curated three bucks 
> each zip ties then in my opinion for whatever that's worth they would cease 
> to be a "cheap" hack, but would certainly continue to be a hack.  
>
> On 06/07/2016 03:01 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> masmojo 
>
> I had a feeling you didn't mean it.  I think it's great to hand out 
> approval liberally.  It's the disapproval that you should be really careful 
> with.  If you meant it as a joke, I accept that.  
>
> I agree that my Joe Appaloosa was very expensive and 8 zipties are very 
> inexpensive.  I understand the opinion that the cost of 8 zipties is too 
> low to deserve being places on a Joe Appaloosa.  It makes me want to go 
> into business artisinally curating zipties, and selling them for $3 apiece. 
>  Then it will be sufficiently expensive to deserve placement on a $3000 
> bicycle.  I understand the opinion that expensive bikes shouldn't have any 
> inexpensive things on them.  I respectfully disagree with that opinion.  If 
> the features are appropriate, the cost is what it is.  I'll pay a LOT for 
> the right features, and I'll pay a little if cheap parts have the right 
> features.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: 
>>
>> Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to 
>> condone that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually,  Bill I used 
>> that language intentionally,  because I thought it humorous.  As if my 
>> condoning anything meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My 
>> sense of humor is rather dry & droll at the same time,  sadly. 
>> Thay said zip ties are a cheap hack, always have been & always will be. 
>> No harm in that, but I personally feel* thats not acceptable to me as a 
>> long term solution,*  especially in holding on a basket *for numerous 
>> years. * Now, maybe you are using zip ties as a sort of camouflage!? 
>> Making the bike look trashy by festooning it with zip ties, pieces of 
>> twine, a copious number of frame stickers, etc. can be a very effective 
>> theft deterrent; in which case I applaud the individuals ingenuity! But, at 
>> the end of the day it seems like antithema or insult to do this to a very 
>> beautiful & expensive bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Bill Lindsay]

Terrific.  On a semi-organized ride with lots of riders, I'm sure it's 
fine.  Thanks for that.  

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Yes, the official ride is always clockwise. On the first ride of the year, 
> first Sunday of June, since it's the official all-country Team in Training 
> ride with teams coming from all over the country, they close the climb to 
> Emerald Bay/Vikingsholm from 6:30 - 8:00 AM on the same direction, so 
> cyclist can use the full lane. On the second ride of the year in September, 
> since there are fewer cyclists, they don't do that.
>
> The shoulder is mostly fine, but since I go slow on all the uphills no 
> matter the gradient, when available, I take the paved bike trails that 
> parallel the road to avoid getting passed on narrow shoulders. With so many 
> cyclists on the road though, it's not a problem with cars and drivers.
>
> On the Spooner climb, you do have the "worse" conditions because on many 
> sections of the climb there are cars parked on the shoulder and car traffic 
> going uphill, plus there are sections where there is virtually no shoulder 
> (just a foot or so). It's still not a problem on the ride with so many 
> riders. I always ride as close to the right as it's safe to do it and 
> people are very good (the large majority anyway) about saying "On your 
> left" to let you know that they are going to pass. 
>
> The descent into Incline Village, where you go at speed, also has a very 
> narrow shoulder but you're basically going 30+mph so when I rode that 
> section, I just stayed on the road between cars, who were traveling at the 
> same speed, probably because they were going slower due to the cyclists 
> riding ahead and the upcoming traffic.
>
> There are no sketchy sections per se, where you would feel unsafe, but you 
> do have to be comfortable holding a steady straight line when climbing 
> slowly and not weaving around.
>
> Then on the exhilarating descent on the Carson Freeway, the cyclists 
> basically take the right lane and cars go on the other lanes, but there 
> aren't that many cars.
>
> René 
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> So you rode clockwise?  I've done that ride once, (25 years ago!) but I 
>> went counter-clockwise starting and finishing in South Lake Tahoe.  How did 
>> you feel about the shoulder?  Did you feel safe enough?  Were there any 
>> sketchy sections?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
>>> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
>>> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
>>> got. And I got to the end!
>>>
>>> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer 
>>> is equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, 
>>> Compass Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust 
>>> saddle, front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan 
>>> saddlebag, standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 
>>> cassette (o how I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>>>
>>> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack 
>>> (first time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
>>> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
>>> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
>>> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
>>> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
>>> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>>>
>>> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
>>> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
>>> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
>>> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
>>> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
>>> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
>>> in case.
>>>
>>> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
>>> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
>>> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
>>> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
>>> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
>>> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
>>> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
>>> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
>>> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, that's my experience on the organized Tahoe rides. I did clockwise once by 
myself on a Romulus..I probably wouldn't do that again. 

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Re: [RBW] Separation anxiety at an all time high!!

[Jeremy Till]

"Better living through metallurgy."

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Separation anxiety is lessening I'm down from three Zolofts a day down to 
> one thanks to my good friend Tom Virgil. Sometime today he's making the 
> Alba drop off at an undisclosed San Diego location. Once the Alba's and I 
> are acquainted I figure I can go off this nasty pharma and live life 
> anxiety free knowing that soon one of my rigs will afford an upright 
> position. 
>
> Thank you all for playing along and a big Riv hug to you Tom.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Hugh Smitham  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> Not having a set of Alba's has left me with some nagging anxiety...
>>
>> I don't have any immediate plans to mount a set of these, but I think 
>> I'll feel better knowing a set are out in the garage.
>>
>> Help me lessen my anxiety. PM me if you have a aluminum set in good 
>> shape. Please include a pic and what your asking? We'll figure the shipping 
>> cost. Of course payment via PayPal.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

 How to choose the right cable tie?

   /*UV and weather resistant cable ties*//
   //All polymers including polyamides (nylons) used for the production
   of cable ties are sensitive to UV radiation. The most common
   additive used for protecting polyamides from UV radiation is carbon
   powder commonly known as “carbon black”. *Standard natural coloured
   cable ties have low resistance to UV radiation and therefore are not
   suggested for outdoor applications.*/

   /*Black cable ties *are always manufactured with additional “carbon
   black”. As a result, they have improved weather and UV resistance
   and are better suited for outdoor applications and are approved
   against ISO 4892 *for 150 hours (approx. 3 years) of QUV-B radiation
   exposure.*/

   */For long term exposure to extreme weather conditions and UV,
   weather resistant cable ties should be used. The weather resistant
   cable ties are made with compounds that include special additives to
   provide extra UV and weather resistance are approved against ISO
   4892 for 600 hours (approx. 10 years) of QUV-B radiation exposure./*

https://www.pmgcompanyonline.com/products/other-products/cable-tie-selection/

When it comes to zip ties, YMMV.  Choose wisely.

On 06/07/2016 02:05 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Masmojo,

You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use 
them.  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use 
zipties, nobody's going to stop them". Link to original Yogi Berra 
quote 


The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop 
using something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't 
mean what you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton 
said "please please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and 
respectfully recommend that you mind your own business.  On these 
boards, it's perfectly fine to say that you use something and why you 
like it.  It's perfectly fine to say why you don't use something. 
 It's fine to say "I don't recommend using such and such and here's 
why".  It's fine to say "I won't use that" and not give any reason. 
 But, when you tell people that you don't condone me using something, 
or when Anton begs me to stop using something that I like, I say "stay 
in your lane".  I will use what I like.  If you want to educate me 
about things that I'm overlooking because you want me to change my 
mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and educate me.  I 
reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for temporary 
applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their solar 
panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on 
a Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If 
you want to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to 
my Nitto Rack that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, 
easier to remove and similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate 
me.  I'm not receptive to people telling me to stop using a product 
with no compelling reason.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:

Two things
First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the
basket on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I
would fully endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket
that'll be on there for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's
anything Rivendellish about it. Quick easy fixes are intended to
be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or the rubber band.
Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for
routing the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!

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Re: [RBW] Separation anxiety at an all time high!!

[Hugh Smitham]

Jeremy,

Indeed.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> "Better living through metallurgy."
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Separation anxiety is lessening I'm down from three Zolofts a day down to
>> one thanks to my good friend Tom Virgil. Sometime today he's making the
>> Alba drop off at an undisclosed San Diego location. Once the Alba's and I
>> are acquainted I figure I can go off this nasty pharma and live life
>> anxiety free knowing that soon one of my rigs will afford an upright
>> position.
>>
>> Thank you all for playing along and a big Riv hug to you Tom.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> Not having a set of Alba's has left me with some nagging anxiety...
>>>
>>> I don't have any immediate plans to mount a set of these, but I think
>>> I'll feel better knowing a set are out in the garage.
>>>
>>> Help me lessen my anxiety. PM me if you have a aluminum set in good
>>> shape. Please include a pic and what your asking? We'll figure the shipping
>>> cost. Of course payment via PayPal.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Anton Tutter]

And another thing about zip-ties, Bill, is that although you may be well 
literate in the differing standards that zip-ties may be manufactured to, 
the average consumer may not be. There are thousands of flavors of 
zip-ties, some great for attaching Wals baskets, some completely 
inappropriate, and most people would be none the wiser if they were told to 
"just use zip-ties".

Years ago, I attached a Wald basket with whatever zip-ties I had laying 
around. Some of them cracked within a year. Some time after that, I saw the 
packaging they had come in, laying in a bin in my workshop, and sure 
enough, it said for indoor use only.

Anton

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Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Steve Palincsar]

When you're old enough to actually need a knee replacement (or, for that 
matter, a coronary by-pass) you'll probably be on Medicare.


On 06/07/2016 01:58 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
That's good to know, although I doubt I'd be able to afford that kind 
of surgery (I work for republicans after all).


On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 06/02/2016 05:30 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
> For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty
joints finally crap out.
>

Even when they do, prosthetics don't require electric powered
bicycles
(having half an artificial knee I can speak with personal
knowledge on
this subject).  Actually most everyone I know using e-bikes has
either
blocked coronary arteries or a heart damaged by an MI.  That could
just
be the demographic I hang out with, though...




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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Anton

I get that, and I accept that you weren't telling people what to do, but 
only strongly recommending.  It does surprise me, coming from you, just 
from a rational perspective.  I feel like if I told you I had invented a 
method to mount a basket to a rack that cost nothing, weighed nothing, took 
10 seconds to install and 2 seconds to remove, was flexible enough for 
myriad orientations, was stronger than the basket itself, can't fail 
catastrophically, lasted forever and used recyclable materials, I think you 
would say "wow!  tell me about it!"  You dismiss my invention for one of 
two reasons.  Either you think I'm wrong about my representation of the 
list of features, or you just don't like it because it's zipties.  Both are 
OK opinions for you to have.  If I'm wrong about the feature list, I guess 
I'd like to learn why I'm wrong.  If it's opinion because it's a cheap 
hack, then there's nothing to discuss.  

Bill

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:23:08 PM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> You interpreted my post  ("please, please don't use zip-ties") as being 
> directed toward you since you posted about using zip-ties, when in fact it 
> was directed at the original poster, who is/was (maybe not now after this 
> debate?) asking about a Wald basket for his daughter's bike. The "please, 
> please don't" was simply rhetoric for "I don't recommend", but again, and 
> more importantly, it was directed at the OP, not you. Whether or not you 
> had posted your zip-tie comment before I posted in this thread, I would 
> have made the same comment against using zip-ties. I know you to make sound 
> decisions regarding the build details of your own bikes, but that doesn't 
> mean I won't disagree, especially when an inquiry is made that invites 
> suggestions.
>
> Anton
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Will
>>
>> Thanks for that response.  I use 8 zipties to attach my basket to my 
>> rack.  If one of them failed, I'd see it.  It's right there in front of my 
>> face.  It would take all 8 failing to fall off my rack.  I'm not worried 
>> about it, but I do pay attention to it.  If one breaks and I replace it, I 
>> promise I will report about it.  :-)  I also run an Irish strap around the 
>> tombstone and basket and my handlebar, a cheap hack safety recommendation I 
>> picked up from the BLUG, and from multiple Riv employees.   You can kind of 
>> see it here:
>>
>> Strapped 
>>
>> I agree that maybe Anton and Masmojo both didn't mean what they said when 
>> they told me to stop using zipties.  Grant never says "stop using your 
>> carbon fork" or "stop using your carbon bicycle" or "stop using skinny 
>> tires".  He only gives reasons why he thinks you shouldn't use those 
>> products.  If you don't think they are valid reasons you won't be 
>> convinced.  If you do think they are valid reasons, you will be convinced.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:36:59 AM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>>>
>>> I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on 
>>> baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the 
>>> safety thing. 
>>>
>>> It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff 
>>> into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that interfers with 
>>> your steering control at speed... well I dunno, it seems inconsistant to 
>>> me. If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> Consider the level of vibration the zip ties must mitigate. Clearly 
>>> there is an opportunity for failure. 
>>>
>>> As for Anton and Masmojo GP has a whole slew of things he does not 
>>> condone... skinny tires, carbon anything, big ring chainwheels, undignified 
>>> paint schemes, short chainstays, low spoke wheels, low trail front ends, 
>>> etc just saying...   :-)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Masmojo,

 You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use 
 them.  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, 
 nobody's going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
 

 The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop 
 using something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't 
 mean 
 what you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said 
 "please please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and 
 respectfully 
 recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's 
 perfectly 
 fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
 fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
 recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
 

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Anton reported:

"Years ago, I attached a Wald basket with whatever zip-ties I had laying 
around. Some of them cracked within a year. Some time after that, I saw the 
packaging they had come in, laying in a bin in my workshop, and sure 
enough, it said for indoor use only."

That is a perfectly valid reason to stop using zipties.  If that was my 
experience I would possibly stop using zipties.  If it was a universal fact 
that all zipties crack within a year, I would probably never use zipties in 
the first place.  

Bill

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/07/2016 03:48 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Anton reported:

"Years ago, I attached a Wald basket with whatever zip-ties I had 
laying around. Some of them cracked within a year. Some time after 
that, I saw the packaging they had come in, laying in a bin in my 
workshop, and sure enough, it said for indoor use only."


That is a perfectly valid reason to stop using zipties.  If that was 
my experience I would possibly stop using zipties.  If it was a 
universal fact that all zipties crack within a year, I would probably 
never use zipties in the first place.




Case closed.

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Without question, I enthusiastically and emphatically recommend that IF you 
use zipties to mount your Wald Basket to your solid bicycle rack, that you 
should use several of them (like 8 or so).  If any one of them breaks for 
any reason whatsoever, please please replace them all.  If one failed, it 
might have failed because the plastic is degraded, and all of them might be 
on their way to breaking.  Zipties are cheap enough that you can afford to 
be safe.  If you are freaked out by this possibility, maybe zipties are not 
the solution for you.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:26:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> How to choose the right cable tie? 
>
> *UV and weather resistant cable ties*
> * All polymers including polyamides (nylons) used for the production of 
> cable ties are sensitive to UV radiation. The most common additive used for 
> protecting polyamides from UV radiation is carbon powder commonly known as 
> “carbon black”. Standard natural coloured cable ties have low resistance to 
> UV radiation and therefore are not suggested for outdoor applications.*
>
> *Black cable ties are always manufactured with additional “carbon black”. 
> As a result, they have improved weather and UV resistance and are better 
> suited for outdoor applications and are approved against ISO 4892 for 150 
> hours (approx. 3 years) of QUV-B radiation exposure.*
>
> *For long term exposure to extreme weather conditions and UV, weather 
> resistant cable ties should be used. The weather resistant cable ties are 
> made with compounds that include special additives to provide extra UV and 
> weather resistance are approved against ISO 4892 for 600 hours (approx. 10 
> years) of QUV-B radiation exposure.*
>
>
> https://www.pmgcompanyonline.com/products/other-products/cable-tie-selection/
>
> When it comes to zip ties, YMMV.  Choose wisely.
>
> On 06/07/2016 02:05 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Masmojo, 
>
> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. 
>  To paraphrase Yogi Berra:  "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's 
> going to stop them".  Link to original Yogi Berra quote 
> 
>
> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop using 
> something that they like using.  Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean what 
> you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said "please 
> please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully 
> recommend that you mind your own business.  On these boards, it's perfectly 
> fine to say that you use something and why you like it.  It's perfectly 
> fine to say why you don't use something.  It's fine to say "I don't 
> recommend using such and such and here's why".  It's fine to say "I won't 
> use that" and not give any reason.  But, when you tell people that you 
> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using 
> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane".  I will use what I like. 
>  If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you 
> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and 
> educate me.  I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for 
> temporary applications.  People use zipties for cable management on their 
> solar panels for 20 years plus.  They don't die from UV, they don't fail, 
> and that's not temporary.  If your only reason is you think zipties on a 
> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason.  If you want 
> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack 
> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and 
> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me.  I'm not receptive to 
> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason.   
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: 
>>
>> Two things
>> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket 
>> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully 
>> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there 
>> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. 
>> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or 
>> the rubber band. 
>> Secondly,  I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing 
>> the brake cable Oh my!!! ;-)  but, at least no zip ties!
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So far I am aware of zero accidents caused by catastrophic zip-tie 
failures. Any anecdotal evidence out there on RBW? Whereas there is 
evidence of a carbon fork or two breaking bad. For zips to work as an 
attachment device for something like a basket to a rack, you need a minimum 
of four attachment points, and more is better (which I believe Riv 
advocates). As Bill points out, the chances of them all letting go at once 
are slim. They are plastic and do have what some might consider an element 
of cheese to them, no doubt. You're either good with that, or not. But I 
don't think you can really make a safety argument against zip ties applied 
with even minimal intelligence--even ones that, unlike the fencing zips I 
sometimes use, are not labeled UV resistant. 

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:36:59 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
>  If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
> connection.
>
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cross-posted with Anton's ziptastrophe story. Still, not a catastrophic 
failure of the full zip tie system.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> So far I am aware of zero accidents caused by catastrophic zip-tie 
> failures. Any anecdotal evidence out there on RBW? Whereas there is 
> evidence of a carbon fork or two breaking bad. For zips to work as an 
> attachment device for something like a basket to a rack, you need a minimum 
> of four attachment points, and more is better (which I believe Riv 
> advocates). As Bill points out, the chances of them all letting go at once 
> are slim. They are plastic and do have what some might consider an element 
> of cheese to them, no doubt. You're either good with that, or not. But I 
> don't think you can really make a safety argument against zip ties applied 
> with even minimal intelligence--even ones that, unlike the fencing zips I 
> sometimes use, are not labeled UV resistant. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:36:59 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>
>>  If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
>> connection.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Bill Lindsay]

build detail that might go unnoticed:

My build was 100% ziptie free.  :-)

I did use a Willow Tripleizer ring to make a Campy double crankset into a 
39/25 compact double.  The "big ring" was a genuine campy 42 tooth ring 
that I "artisinally curated" with a file into a chainguard.  

Bill

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:34:24 AM UTC-7, Nick Ybarra wrote:
>
> I definitely agree w/Belopsky.  If I hadn't just bought Bruce's 59cm 
> Roadeo yesterday (s excited!), I'd probably be contacting Chris about 
> this very well thought out build.  
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:23:20 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> This is a great deal for someone!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:20:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a 
>>> jerk...but here we are.  
>>>
>>> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
>>> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
>>> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
>>> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
>>> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
>>> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
>>> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
>>> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
>>> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
>>> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>>>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
>>> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
>>> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>>>
>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>>>
>>> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
>>> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
>>> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
>>> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Wow!  That is a lot of eggs! 😬

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Ryan Fleming]

Bill. I think your builds are very eclectic and you are an envy-worthy 
problem solver and mechanic. I have no mechanical ability whatsoever but I 
like to think I appreciate craft when I see it. I really like your hack 
with the Shimano CX70 cantis that I am using on my X0-1 and I might pass 
that to my mechanic and partner to implement:) I think your budget 
Roadeo in the ad is a really nice build and someone will really like it.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:20:44 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
> here we are.  
>
> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>
> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Jayme Frye]

Details on the build and anncillory bike packing equip.
26"wheeled 56cm Atlantis (purchased off list member)
RTP tires on mismatch wheelset Shimano hubs
Drivetrain 11-36 10 speed cassette, Deore long cage rear mech, single 42t 
chainring (White Industries 180 crank length), VP-001 pedals and SKF BB
Cockpit NOS Nitto Chromo 120mm stem, Soma Fab Oxford handlebar (flipped), 
NOS Suntour brake levers, NOS Suntour thumb shifter, combo Oury grips and 
Newbaums cloth tape
Cambium seat, Tektro CR720 brakes, Pass and Stow 5 rail rack, and Bagman 
Sport saddlebag support (mounts to saddle rails)
Bags used on this trip are the Sea to Summit Event waterproof compression 
bags (I have had great success with these bags keeping gear dry and 
compressing the bulk to fit into small spaces)

I am considering this a phase 1 build to validate the ride qualities and 
utility of an all road 26" supple tire bike. If I find this to be something 
I want to take further I will be looking to build a better wheelset with 
Dyno hub. First few outings have been primarily pavement (couple of 
commutes to work and this pictured camping trip). One note from camping 
trip, one section of county highway had rumble strips cut into the narrow 
(est. width 4 foot) shoulder. Many riders in the group had issues either 
trying to use only the smooth section of shoulder I rolled right through 
the rumble strips with no significant handling issues. :-D 
Hope to get some serious gravel miles in in the coming week.
Cheers

Jayme



On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 9:38:31 AM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Joined the FATlantis movement.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of 
>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not 
>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0" 
>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on 
>> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the 
>> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a 
>> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do 
>> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.  
>>
>> FAT-Lantis2 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

It's our weekly egg buy for our family of six.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:34:54 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Wow!  That is a lot of eggs! 😬

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, it is. We demand to know, exactly how many eggs do you eat in a week

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Will]

I guess it's my experience delivering newspapers for several years via 
bike-and-Wald-basket that informs my opinion. I cringe when I see those 
little bitty racks supporting a basket that extends 12" on either side of 
the support foundation. My suspicion is that Wald would never endorse 
zipties. They want big struts attached at the basket perimeter to the axle 
where weight load is most stable. 

I also agree that a failure of 8-10-12 zipties is remote, but having been 
through the endo experience twice (landing on head), once from glue failure 
on a tubular, once from stick in fender,  I have learned fear. :-) 

My comfort level is: basket attached to porteur rack. 

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> So far I am aware of zero accidents caused by catastrophic zip-tie 
> failures. Any anecdotal evidence out there on RBW? Whereas there is 
> evidence of a carbon fork or two breaking bad. For zips to work as an 
> attachment device for something like a basket to a rack, you need a minimum 
> of four attachment points, and more is better (which I believe Riv 
> advocates). As Bill points out, the chances of them all letting go at once 
> are slim. They are plastic and do have what some might consider an element 
> of cheese to them, no doubt. You're either good with that, or not. But I 
> don't think you can really make a safety argument against zip ties applied 
> with even minimal intelligence--even ones that, unlike the fencing zips I 
> sometimes use, are not labeled UV resistant. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:36:59 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>
>>  If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket 
>> connection.
>>
>>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Patrick Moore]

To hell with zip ties! I disapprove of baskets on Rivendells!

Patrick Moore, with a large lump in his left cheek. (But I would *never* put
a wire basket on one of my Rivendells.)

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> Wow, who knew Wald basket attachment methods could be so passionately
> debated. This is the most exciting part of my day so far!
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Well played.  You missed the opportunity to add "The only cheap hacks 
permitted on Rivendells are done with a dremel!"

;-)

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:50:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> To hell with zip ties! I disapprove of baskets on Rivendells!
>
> Patrick Moore, with a large lump in his left cheek. (But I would *never* put 
> a wire basket on one of my Rivendells.)
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Wow, who knew Wald basket attachment methods could be so passionately 
>> debated. This is the most exciting part of my day so far!
>>
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Patrick Moore]

Dremel be damned. A hammer, my good man, and an expensive axe.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Well played.  You missed the opportunity to add "The only cheap hacks
> permitted on Rivendells are done with a dremel!"
>
> ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:50:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> To hell with zip ties! I disapprove of baskets on Rivendells!
>>
>> Patrick Moore, with a large lump in his left cheek. (But I would *never* put
>> a wire basket on one of my Rivendells.)
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>>
>>> Wow, who knew Wald basket attachment methods could be so passionately
>>> debated. This is the most exciting part of my day so far!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Patrick Moore]

If I understand clearly what you fw is doing, the freewheel is not
freewheeling properly; there is some drag, either in the pawls or elsewhere
inside the fw. I've had this happen with cassettes that were old and very
gummed up from years of no cleaning. Even at 50+ mph, a fw that is working
properly should not put enough drag on the chain to make it sag.

Me, I'd take your fw and submerse it in Mineral Spirits, or
Kerosene/Paraffin, or some other toxic dissolver of petrochemical products.

One way you can test this hypothesis is to remover the fw from the hub,
hold it in your hand, and spin it backward. An untroubled fw will spin
unobstructed and cleanly.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:33 AM, René Sterental  wrote:
>
> @ Patrick: Thanks for the feedback on the freewheel/cassette. This is
> actually an XT/A17 36 spoked wheel set that Rich built for me, and this
> effect was only noticeable at the 25+ mph descents. Very noticeable when I
> was descending at 42+ mph! How would I check to see if there is something
> to fix/grease/clean?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, one of my most recent and very modest triumphs, while I was filling in
at Stevie's, was to be assigned a cheap and older MTB with this sort of
dragging freewheel; the ticket called for freewheel replacement.

I removed it and soaked it ferociously in an increasingly potent series of
cleaners, topping out withd carburettor cleaner, the careless mechanic's
Last Resort for UnGumming.

Sure enough, I was able to refurbish the bike without replacing the fe.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> If I understand clearly what you fw is doing, the freewheel is not
> freewheeling properly; there is some drag, either in the pawls or elsewhere
> inside the fw. I've had this happen with cassettes that were old and very
> gummed up from years of no cleaning. Even at 50+ mph, a fw that is working
> properly should not put enough drag on the chain to make it sag.
>
> Me, I'd take your fw and submerse it in Mineral Spirits, or
> Kerosene/Paraffin, or some other toxic dissolver of petrochemical products.
>
> One way you can test this hypothesis is to remover the fw from the hub,
> hold it in your hand, and spin it backward. An untroubled fw will spin
> unobstructed and cleanly.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:33 AM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>>
>> @ Patrick: Thanks for the feedback on the freewheel/cassette. This is
>> actually an XT/A17 36 spoked wheel set that Rich built for me, and this
>> effect was only noticeable at the 25+ mph descents. Very noticeable when I
>> was descending at 42+ mph! How would I check to see if there is something
>> to fix/grease/clean?
>>
>


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[RBW] Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[Lungimsam]

Thinking of getting Boscos for my Sam to ride when I ride with my wife. It 
has drops now.

I ride drops on my Bleriot and Sam and I do some centuries every year.

But doing this will make me minus an extra drop bike in the event I need 
one for a century, brevet, etc., at the last minute in case my Bleriot has 
a mechanical and I need another drop bar bike asap.

Can one just hop on an upright bike and do a century after only training on 
a drop bar bike? Will the new position use different muscles enough to make 
it not wise to do?

Have you done this and how is it?

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[masmojo]

LOL, thanks for having my back there Steve! It really matters little what the 
zip ties actually cost, if they were gold plated they would still look bogged 
together. And my comments are not focused on any particular individual, just 
everyone out there on the interwebs. JMHO, but if I am riding a ratty old 
Schwinn or whatever,  then zip tie away! But, I paid a considerable amount of 
coin on a brand new Rivendell,  I can't bring myself to trash it out with zip 
ties, I prefer something a little more elegant.  My solution although labor 
intensive was only marginally more expensive because I used Stainless steel 
hardware,  if I'd have used inexpensive galvanized hardware it would not have 
cost me much different than 8 zip ties & it looks so much better. 

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Tim Butterfield]

Another option for zip ties may be to use metal.  Something like this may
work:
http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Cable-Ties-pieces/dp/B00666CYS8

After getting it snugged, you can use the Dremel to cut off the extra or to
cut the tie for removal.

If going that route, it may be wise to put a piece of tape around the rack
and/or basket to protect against vibrations wearing on the finish.

Tim

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[RBW] Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[Joe Bernard]

I can only comment on reverse order for under-30-milers..I found the switch 
from Albas to drops to take quite a bit of adjustment. In my case it was enough 
of a change to talk me out of sticking with drops on one of my bikes, I just 
couldn't get used to it. To extrapolate from there: I don't think training on 
one bar, then switching to a very different one just before a century, is a 
good idea. This holds true for saddles/shorts/shoes, too..any major contact 
point on a bicycle should not be changed right before a big ride. 

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[RBW] Rain free ride. What happened?

[Deacon Patrick]

I went too early. It’s pouring wonderfully now. Grin. It’s Patrick of the 
Moore’s nemesis ride. I tried to take pictures of the drop off, but didn’t do 
it justice. Sorry, Patrick.

Wonderful ride. Sunny, 60-70˚F.

I’ll mostly let the pictures do the talking, but one item of note was at one of 
the LCG gaps between boulders (you can go, your bike can go, but you can’t both 
go together), four riders with full bouncy bikes stared in awe at my 
Hunqapillar and complimented it heavily, though clearly not sure what to really 
say. Then they saw me at the brew pub and brat intersection in Woodland Park 
and got all excited that I’d ridden up to the trail rather than driving.

Pictures prove that Colorado has clear blue skies till we don’t. Grin.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157666852892563

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Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Evan Baird]

Unfortunately it's probably going to be a lot sooner than that. I'm almost 
a cripple as it is. But hand cycles are cool!

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> When you're old enough to actually need a knee replacement (or, for that 
> matter, a coronary by-pass) you'll probably be on Medicare.
>
> On 06/07/2016 01:58 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> That's good to know, although I doubt I'd be able to afford that kind of 
> surgery (I work for republicans after all).
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On 06/02/2016 05:30 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
>> > For the record, I'm keeping it all organic until my shitty joints 
>> finally crap out. 
>> > 
>>
>> Even when they do, prosthetics don't require electric powered bicycles 
>> (having half an artificial knee I can speak with personal knowledge on 
>> this subject).  Actually most everyone I know using e-bikes has either 
>> blocked coronary arteries or a heart damaged by an MI.  That could just 
>> be the demographic I hang out with, though... 
>>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Lungimsam]

I don't think he was eggsaggerating when he said 15 dozen.
He only brought home as many as was eggspected.
I can't believe the store would shell so many to him at one time.
Wonder if they had any eggstra left on the shell-ves.
Patrick is an eggspecially hard boiled rider, though.
Too bad he was yolk-ed with such a heavy load. Hope his frame isn't 
crack-ed.
But he would never fall over-easy.
I don't know if actual daily intake will meet your eggspectations.
But look at the sunny side.

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way.  No doubt there are plenty of 
people who think putting a $20 Wald Basket on a $200 Nitto Rack that's 
mounted on a $3000 Rivendell bicycle is similarly 'trashing it out'.  Trash 
is in the eye of the beholder.  

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:55:26 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> LOL, thanks for having my back there Steve! It really matters little what 
> the zip ties actually cost, if they were gold plated they would still look 
> bogged together. And my comments are not focused on any particular 
> individual, just everyone out there on the interwebs. JMHO, but if I am 
> riding a ratty old Schwinn or whatever,  then zip tie away! But, I paid a 
> considerable amount of coin on a brand new Rivendell,  I can't bring myself 
> to trash it out with zip ties, I prefer something a little more elegant. 
>  My solution although labor intensive was only marginally more expensive 
> because I used Stainless steel hardware,  if I'd have used inexpensive 
> galvanized hardware it would not have cost me much different than 8 zip 
> ties & it looks so much better. 

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[RBW] Re: Hat quest

[Deacon Patrick]

Hat quandary solved! Thanks for the reminder Eric, to update the group!

I designed and one of my lassies sewed a blue bonnet (traditional Scottish 
hat), with a non-traditional added bill (canvas, so it holds the front up 
but is flexible and easily packable with no ill effect). The design covers 
the face and nose and ears most of the time (not as well as a broad brim 
Tilley). For neck coverage, I am wearing a bandana. So far so good! I only 
need to turn it round for descents of 30mph or more.

The first one is made of really light weight fabric. It works, but flaps in 
the wind (bad with brain injury and vertigo) and saturates quickly with 
sweat on climbs, so sweat drips on glasses (also bad with vertigo). You can 
see it here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27429778266/in/album-72157669334583115/

The second is made with a heavier twill (almost original Tilley duck cloth 
weight, but slightly lighter). Better all round. It was my hat in 
yesterdays rainy grocery run. It took a surprisingly long time to soak 
through, and when it did it still held its shape and dripped the water off 
the front. Heavy enough to not flap in the wind and on todays longer, 
hotter climb was not too hot and handled the sweat easily. You can see it 
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With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 9:47:27 AM UTC-6, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Deacon,
> Can we get an update on your hat situation? I'm in a similar boat in 
> regards to what I want from a hat (though no real descents 'round here).
>
> Best,
> Eric
> Indpls.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[Lungimsam]

I'd love to have a "wife bike", for riding with the wife. And the Sam would 
be great for that as it has a sloping top tube, high exit point, and a tall 
headset spacer stack. A natural for upright setup.

I have done a few centuries on drops. It might be interesting to try one on 
an upright bike sometime.

Only thing I don't like about upright riding is I find I am slower in that 
position and in the winter the winds blast my thighs. Also headwinds are 
not good with uprights. Of course, the Bosco has an aero position I hear.

My drop Sam is set up like my drop Bleriot.

So maybe I could use cable splitters, remove my Sam drops/brake levers/stem 
all in one piece, leave the saddle position untouched, and just swap out 
the cockpits in an emergency. The bar ends shifters can just drop out of 
the Bosco bar ends and go right into the Noodle bar's drop ends. Just have 
to size the housings for the Bosco's.

 

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[RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

You basted it! Though I'm sure those of us here who rise to the art of the 
pun will see some of these are poached. Still, I'd not call you a Benedict. 
Grin.

Actually, the most amazing thing to me about the ride is the bananas 
arrived without being squished.

Patrick of the Moore: you've got all the raw data. Time to start 
calculating! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 4:12:51 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I don't think he was eggsaggerating when he said 15 dozen.
> He only brought home as many as was eggspected.
> I can't believe the store would shell so many to him at one time.
> Wonder if they had any eggstra left on the shell-ves.
> Patrick is an eggspecially hard boiled rider, though.
> Too bad he was yolk-ed with such a heavy load. Hope his frame isn't 
> crack-ed.
> But he would never fall over-easy.
> I don't know if actual daily intake will meet your eggspectations.
> But look at the sunny side.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Steve Palincsar]

You're really egging us on here, but I know it's only a yolk.   I'm 
disappoionted you didn't mention anything about how things would have 
gotten scrambled had he fallen over-easy, and the editorial style would 
never have made it to here:





On 06/07/2016 06:12 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

I don't think he was eggsaggerating when he said 15 dozen.
He only brought home as many as was eggspected.
I can't believe the store would shell so many to him at one time.
Wonder if they had any eggstra left on the shell-ves.
Patrick is an eggspecially hard boiled rider, though.
Too bad he was yolk-ed with such a heavy load. Hope his frame isn't 
crack-ed.

But he would never fall over-easy.
I don't know if actual daily intake will meet your eggspectations.
But look at the sunny side.



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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[John Phillips]

No philosophical problem with zip-ties here, but my zip-ties fail if I wrap 
them round in the figure-8 wrap. One 1-2 months old & they just pop off. 
This doesn't happen if I just wrap it once, zip it & trim it.

But I've become disenchanted with the whole front-basket-floppy-thing. Now 
my Mark's Rack just holds my fender & Edelux.

John

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[RBW] Re: Rain free ride. What happened?

[Ron Mc]

it's not even raining in Texas this week


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[RBW] Re: Rain free ride. What happened?

[Deacon Patrick]

It's hard to get motivated to ride when it's sunny, ain't it?! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 5:30:50 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
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> it's not even raining in Texas this week
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Separation anxiety at an all time high!!

[David Person]

You'll have to let me know if this becomes a reality.  I'd like to join Hugh

David Person
Thousand Oaks

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 7:51:14 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Estaban, 
>
> Now that's a great idea. An Albatross ride.  I think fittingly near the 
> ocean at a leisurely pace will do. My Hilsen has never had the pleasure of 
> these bars, the time has come.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Justin August]

What I'm reading is that when I have a kid I can put it in the basket on my 
Saluki as long as the zip ties holding it on are black and UV resistant. Thanks 
STEVE and WILLIAM for this advice on the internet!!

-Justin, tongue firmly in cheek 

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