Will Thanks for that response. I use 8 zipties to attach my basket to my rack. If one of them failed, I'd see it. It's right there in front of my face. It would take all 8 failing to fall off my rack. I'm not worried about it, but I do pay attention to it. If one breaks and I replace it, I promise I will report about it. :-) I also run an Irish strap around the tombstone and basket and my handlebar, a cheap hack safety recommendation I picked up from the BLUG, and from multiple Riv employees. You can kind of see it here:
Strapped <https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/26121289280> I agree that maybe Anton and Masmojo both didn't mean what they said when they told me to stop using zipties. Grant never says "stop using your carbon fork" or "stop using your carbon bicycle" or "stop using skinny tires". He only gives reasons why he thinks you shouldn't use those products. If you don't think they are valid reasons you won't be convinced. If you do think they are valid reasons, you will be convinced. On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:36:59 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: > > I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on > baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the > safety thing. > > It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff > into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that interfers with > your steering control at speed... well I dunno, it seems inconsistant to > me. If a steel fork is necessary, well... so is a bullet proof basket > connection. > > Consider the level of vibration the zip ties must mitigate. Clearly there > is an opportunity for failure. > > As for Anton and Masmojo.... GP has a whole slew of things he does not > condone... skinny tires, carbon anything, big ring chainwheels, undignified > paint schemes, short chainstays, low spoke wheels, low trail front ends, > etc.... just saying... :-) > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> Masmojo, >> >> You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. >> To paraphrase Yogi Berra: "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's >> going to stop them". Link to original Yogi Berra quote >> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yogiberra447736.html> >> >> The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop >> using something that they like using. Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean >> what you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said >> "please please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully >> recommend that you mind your own business. On these boards, it's perfectly >> fine to say that you use something and why you like it. It's perfectly >> fine to say why you don't use something. It's fine to say "I don't >> recommend using such and such and here's why". It's fine to say "I won't >> use that" and not give any reason. But, when you tell people that you >> don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using >> something that I like, I say "stay in your lane". I will use what I like. >> If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you >> want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and >> educate me. I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for >> temporary applications. People use zipties for cable management on their >> solar panels for 20 years plus. They don't die from UV, they don't fail, >> and that's not temporary. If your only reason is you think zipties on a >> Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason. If you want >> to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack >> that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and >> similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me. I'm not receptive to >> people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason. >> >> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >>> >>> Two things >>> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket >>> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully >>> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there >>> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. >>> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or >>> the rubber band. >>> Secondly, I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing >>> the brake cable!!!! Oh my!!! ;-) but, at least no zip ties! >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
