I retract that comment. Steve makes several truthful, honest and objective observations about Rivendell Bicycles. He makes them repeatedly. I don't know which one is his favorite. I don't even know which one he recounts most often. In my view, his top 5 most common truthful and accurate, objective observations about Rivendell are:
1. Rivendells use OS tubing 2. Rivendells have high trail and high flop AND Rivendell Bicycle Works also recommends and sells cargo carrying products intended for the front of bicycles 3. Rivendell bicycles have zero extra purpose-built features to manage dynamo wiring AND Rivendell Bicycle Works also recommends and sells dynamo lighting 4. One Atlantis Steve saw needed a 1" spacer at the chainstay bridge to achieve acceptable fender line. Rivendell Bicycle Works also recommends and sells fenders 5. Rivendell sells expensive bicycles AND Rivendell's BLUG celebrates inexpensive solutions to various problems Those are 5 objective facts that nobody could honestly dispute. Steve tends to repeat those facts honestly and objectively. I often find the conclusions Steve draws from those objective facts ... ungenerous. Calling it Riv-bashing is overstating my opinion somewhat. I initially thought Steve was getting at #5 with his anti-zip-tie stuff. I think it is snobbish to dismiss inexpensive solutions purely because they are inexpensive. There's another message board, called iBob, that celebrates inexpensive and effective solutions to problems. Ironically, Steve is a moderator on that board. That irony has stricken me for several years now. The topic I feared he was heading towards is #4. Now, I actually think he might have been taking us towards #3. Rhetorically, he has his patterns, and I'm one who does not like to be rhetorically 'herded', so I tried to anticipate. Please, everybody, understand that I like Steve very much, and respect him a great deal. I think he's kind of grouchy about certain things, and he and I exchange somewhere between 10 and 20 personal emails a year, and probably 3/4 of them are pleasant. I think he sometimes unnecessarily draws ungenerous conclusions about Rivendell Bicycle Works based on his true and correct observations. We debate because he bases everything on facts. I only take issue with the conclusions he draws from those facts. When I'm being ungenerous to Steve, I call it Riv-bashing. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:10:30 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: > > What's Steve's favorite Riv-bashing subject? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
