RE: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

My Saluki has cantis – I think most of them were center/sidepulls, yes?

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

My 56cm 650b Toyo Hilsen has a SA serial number.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Minh 
mailto:mgiangs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hmm i seem to remember near the end of the Saluki run that they morphed into 
Hilsens or was it the other way around that the final Salukis got badged at 
Hilsens?

Intersting that Tom's Saluki is an outlier, i think that makes it more 
desirable than a standard Saluki!

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:45:40 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
I'll take some tonight.


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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith with silver seatposts!

[Jim D Massachusetts]

While I am not wild about chain guards in general, I really like the rest 
of the crankset. I cannot wait to get mine.  Jim D. 
 Massachusetts

On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 3:44:50 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Saw those a couple of days ago.
>
> The Clem looks like it's set up for someone riding a bike three sizes too 
> small.  Like Dave said, it may be to preserve the quill and seatpost.  
>
> I'm also not sure about the crankset, specifically the chainguard.  
>
> Other than that, they both look fantastic!!!   I would like to try a 
> medium sized Clem (59cm   I forget the sizes). 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 11:51:41 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Check out the new shots on Rivbike. They make me want one.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dahon Hon Solo, Front Loader

[Patrick Moore]

Whoops, sorry, I see that this photo is the later, not the earlier one and
shows fenders and pedals swapped.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. I am enjoying it more than I thought I would. I had feared that it
> would be squirrely, but while it certainly doesn't handle like a Rivendell,
> it is surprisingly (to me, at least, after what I'd read) stable and
> neutral; quicker than a "real" bike but still pleasant to ride.
>
> And I find the folding size, roughly that of a largish suitcase, to be
> surprisingly convenient. I've always preferred cars which accept a bike in
> the back without removing wheels, and my 26" wheel road bikes fit
> particularly well, but even so, a bike folded in half with 20" wheels just
> goes in and out so much easier.
>
> And the folding mechanism seems to be very well thought out. I generally
> leave seatpost and handle bar alone, and just drop the stem (it fold
> sideways), and then unlatch the frame hinge and fold it in the middle. You
> can then lift it almost like a suitcase.
>
> I have on order (from listmembers) a Nelson Longflap and a Nitto saddlebag
> Grip; eventually I hope to swap out the M 737s with M 324s with a
> no-retention side.
>
> Since taking that photo I've swapped the MKS Urbans for the old Shimano
> SPDs, and switched the fenders: front to rear and rear to front for better
> coverage. I rode it a very short distance through flooded streets last week
> after a southwester downpour, and the fenders, despite being flat and
> narrow, worked pretty well. I gave each a generous application of Johnson's
> Furniture Wax.
>
> Altogether I'm quite happy with it.
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Christopher Murray <
> chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks great! How does it ride? Fold? Would love to hear your impressions.
>> I assume it is fixed? The crank looks great.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Dahon Hon Solo, Front Loader

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I am enjoying it more than I thought I would. I had feared that it
would be squirrely, but while it certainly doesn't handle like a Rivendell,
it is surprisingly (to me, at least, after what I'd read) stable and
neutral; quicker than a "real" bike but still pleasant to ride.

And I find the folding size, roughly that of a largish suitcase, to be
surprisingly convenient. I've always preferred cars which accept a bike in
the back without removing wheels, and my 26" wheel road bikes fit
particularly well, but even so, a bike folded in half with 20" wheels just
goes in and out so much easier.

And the folding mechanism seems to be very well thought out. I generally
leave seatpost and handle bar alone, and just drop the stem (it fold
sideways), and then unlatch the frame hinge and fold it in the middle. You
can then lift it almost like a suitcase.

I have on order (from listmembers) a Nelson Longflap and a Nitto saddlebag
Grip; eventually I hope to swap out the M 737s with M 324s with a
no-retention side.

Since taking that photo I've swapped the MKS Urbans for the old Shimano
SPDs, and switched the fenders: front to rear and rear to front for better
coverage. I rode it a very short distance through flooded streets last week
after a southwester downpour, and the fenders, despite being flat and
narrow, worked pretty well. I gave each a generous application of Johnson's
Furniture Wax.

Altogether I'm quite happy with it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks great! How does it ride? Fold? Would love to hear your impressions.
> I assume it is fixed? The crank looks great.
>
> Enjoy!
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Trunksack Large- tan

[Mike OShea]

SOLD

Thank You

On Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-6, Mike OShea wrote:
>
> *FS: Sackville Trunk Sack Large- tan*
> Very little use, some light dirt marks, excellent condition. Free with 
> bag, a pair of MKS Sneaker pedals. About 5 months old, little use, a few 
> small scratches. Very good condition!
> Asking $90.00 Free shipping CONUS Paypal preferred. Please contact off 
> list. 
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
> link to pictures:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sOxnNLEzmPggsMwewYeIXoHwop40lB4tdGEkScLuqlQ/edit?usp=sharing
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[RBW] Re: FT/S: Unique 31.8mm Albatross bar

[Jeremy Till]

Bump!

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Interesting item up for trade or sale: a Nitto Albatross bar in 
> heat-treated aluminum with a 31.8mm bar clamp diameter, new in package, 
> never mounted.  This is apparently a new item from Nitto, it appeared in 
> the Merry Sales (Nitto importer) catalog this past spring.  I ordered it 
> because of some slightly confusing catalog copy that gave me the impression 
> that it was also ~2cm wider than the standard Albatross, which would have 
> really been a dream bar for me, but when it arrived I discovered that it 
> was the same width as the current standard Albatross (55cm) and thus have 
> never mounted it up.  Pictures here: 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskkM1MUn
>
> It is a beautifully made and finished bar.  The bend and bulge out to the 
> oversize clamp area is exceedingly smooth, and it seems to be polished to a 
> slightly more mirror finish than the standard satin-y Nitto aluminum 
> finish.  There is a Nitto crest in the center of the bar clamp area, but it 
> is inverted in the upright position--apparently Nitto intends these to be 
> mounted with drop, a la Mustache bar--but the crest will most likely be 
> covered by the stem clamp area anyways.  While the overall width is the 
> same as the standard bar, the bend is subtly different, probably because 
> the oversize bar is made on a different bending jig than the standard bars. 
>  I've posted a comparison picture with a standard CrMo albatross to show 
> the difference: the oversize bar is slightly more angled in the grip area.  
>
> This would be a great bar for an upright conversion on any bike that uses 
> a 31.8mm threadless stem.  If you want to use it on a bike that takes a 
> quill stem, Merry Sales also started offering Nitto tig-welded 31.8mm quill 
> stems around the same time.  
>
> Things I would trade it for: 
> -a standard 25.4mm HT aluminum Albatross in very good or better condition, 
> or a partial trade for a CrMo Albatross bar
> -a Brooks B72 or B67 saddle in similar condition
> -Partial trade for a 175mm Campagnolo Super Record Strada left crank arm
> -Cinelli mod 66 Giro D'Italia bars in 42mm or greater width and very good 
> condition.  
>
> I would also sell it for $90 shipped.  I am in Sacramento, CA and would 
> meet any SF Bay Area locals for pickup/exchange.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Carless? How many miles per day do you ride?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My riding situation is urban-ish. I live carless, and have for many years. 
I hate cars. My wife was killed in a car wreck, then there are the drunk 
drivers, global warming etc.  Since dumping cars, the quality of my life 
went up. The miles I put on my Atlantis vary, as I don't ride, unless I 
need to go somewhere, or I really need some time in the forest. I don't 
rent cars or take public transportation, so I ride everywhere I need to go. 

Clayton )Bend(

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[RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Jeffrey Marco]

Hey Marc,
Thanks again for setting this up! It was really nice to meet you and the 
the others that came out. You couldn't have asked for nicer weekend. The 
weather was perfect, the roads were fantastic and the company was great. 
Got a chance to ride a lot of Riv's in different sizes which for me 
wouldn't be possible unless I went to Walnut Creek.  I'm looking forward to 
doing it again next year.

Big shout out to Mike for hooking me up with the derailleur cable off your 
Hunq. You're a life saver. PM me your contact info so I can mail you one. 








On Thursday, December 4, 2014 at 6:05:21 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
>  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
> and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
> Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
> following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
> Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
> .  
> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>
> Marc
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[RBW] Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Sad news - my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam Hillborne 
up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks ago - she 
didn't want to tell me.

Good news - she wasn't hurt.

The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that they 
quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting his 
hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd put out 
a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or Craigslist (would 
someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search shoot me back a 
how-to?). It's a unique build - Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, a vintage Alu-Dur 
chainguard, nice dynamo lighting - so it shouldn't be hard to spot.  Here are a 
couple of pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/

I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the word 
out.



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Re: [RBW] Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Tim Gavin]

Sorry to hear.

SearchTempest is one site that does national Craigslist (and eBay)
searches.  I believe there are others, but this one works well for me.

http://www.searchtempest.com/

Tim

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam
> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks
> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
>
>
>
> Good news – she wasn't hurt.
>
>
>
> The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that
> they quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting
> his hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd
> put out a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or
> Craigslist (would someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search
> shoot me back a how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs,
> a vintage Alu-Dur chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be
> hard to spot.  Here are a couple of pics:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>
>
> I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the
> word out.
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] soma san marcos?

[Philip Kim]

I was looking through Riv's site and saw they had a demo one. Are they not 
being sold anymore?

It seems like a solid bike frame, and I hear it has lighter tubing than the 
Hillborne. Maybe a nice substitute for the A Homer Hilsen (in function as a 
club ride bike, not geo).

I debated between the Hillborne and the San Marcos and chose the Hillborne, 
but wondering if there were any Soma San Marcos owners out there and how 
you guys like it.

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Philip Kim]

Really sorry to hear that : (, glad she wasn't hurt.

www.searchtempest.com does a national craiglist search as well as ebay 
results included. You just type in keyword, and your zip code and does 
search nearest you. definitely see if someone was selling the parts out 
separately.

I would also alert bike shops in the Philly area, as well as seeing if 
there is a facebook Philly marketplace and/or stolen bike page. Philly has 
a large biking population so I would imagine someone would have organized 
those kinds of pages.

Does she have renter's insurance? Maybe she could get it covered if she 
did. She would have to file a police report though.

I'll keep my eyes peeled. Best of luck.


On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam 
> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks 
> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
>
>  
>
> Good news – she wasn't hurt.  
>
>  
>
> The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that 
> they quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting 
> his hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd 
> put out a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or 
> Craigslist (would someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search 
> shoot me back a how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, 
> a vintage Alu-Dur chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be 
> hard to spot.  Here are a couple of pics:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>  
>
> I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the 
> word out.
>
>  
>
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Yes, that's my same response. Sorry to hear about the bike, glad she's 
okay. Hopefully emotionally okay as well!


On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 10:12:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Really sorry to hear that : (, glad she wasn't hurt.
>
> www.searchtempest.com does a national craiglist search as well as ebay 
> results included. You just type in keyword, and your zip code and does 
> search nearest you. definitely see if someone was selling the parts out 
> separately.
>
> I would also alert bike shops in the Philly area, as well as seeing if 
> there is a facebook Philly marketplace and/or stolen bike page. Philly has 
> a large biking population so I would imagine someone would have organized 
> those kinds of pages.
>
> Does she have renter's insurance? Maybe she could get it covered if she 
> did. She would have to file a police report though.
>
> I'll keep my eyes peeled. Best of luck.
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam 
>> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks 
>> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good news – she wasn't hurt.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that 
>> they quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting 
>> his hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd 
>> put out a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or 
>> Craigslist (would someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search 
>> shoot me back a how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, 
>> a vintage Alu-Dur chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be 
>> hard to spot.  Here are a couple of pics:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/
>>
>>  
>>
>> I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the 
>> word out.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
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RE: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Emotionally okay as well, I think.  For a period of a few days she was mad at 
herself for not fighting back, but I think family members have sufficiently 
reassured her that she did the right thing.  Bikes, after all, can be replaced.

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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 1:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

Yes, that's my same response. Sorry to hear about the bike, glad she's okay. 
Hopefully emotionally okay as well!


On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 10:12:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
Really sorry to hear that : (, glad she wasn't hurt.

www.searchtempest.com does a national craiglist 
search as well as ebay results included. You just type in keyword, and your zip 
code and does search nearest you. definitely see if someone was selling the 
parts out separately.

I would also alert bike shops in the Philly area, as well as seeing if there is 
a facebook Philly marketplace and/or stolen bike page. Philly has a large 
biking population so I would imagine someone would have organized those kinds 
of pages.

Does she have renter's insurance? Maybe she could get it covered if she did. 
She would have to file a police report though.

I'll keep my eyes peeled. Best of luck.


On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam Hillborne 
up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks ago – she 
didn't want to tell me.

Good news – she wasn't hurt.

The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that they 
quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting his 
hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd put out 
a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or Craigslist (would 
someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search shoot me back a 
how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, a vintage Alu-Dur 
chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be hard to spot.  Here are a 
couple of pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/

I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the word 
out.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Brian Campbell]

Wow. Sorry to hear the bad news but glad it was only a material possession 
that was lost. I was mugged while living in Philly a couple of times. Took 
a bit  of time to get over it. anyway I still live in the area and do a lot 
of bike horse trading. If I see it, I will contact you. Best wishes 

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Re: [RBW] soma san marcos?

[Tim Gavin]

I picked up a San Marcos 51 cm for my girlfriend (1G light blue paint, 650b
wheels).  The 650b model has ample tire clearance (38 mm plus fenders) but
the 700c models are a little tighter (35 mm with fenders).  The fork is
slightly lower-spec tubing (Tange Infinity), not that you'd notice without
weighing it.

The San Marcos seems a bit more road-oriented than a Hilsen.  It has a 6
degree top tube (two tubes in the top sizes) but otherwise its geometry
falls between a Hilsen and a Roadeo.  You could also see it as a budget
Roadeo.

My girlfriend's San Marcos is built up as a light tourer, with drop bars
and a front Campee lowrider rack.  I'm about to change it from 8 speed STI
to 9 or 10 speed bar ends (depending on which cassette I have lying around).


You're correct that the San Marcos doesn't show up on Riv's frame page
.  I assume that a call to RIVHQ
would answer the question of whether they'll continue to stock it.  The
Clem fits into the "entry-level Riv" price slot that the SM has occupied.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> I was looking through Riv's site and saw they had a demo one. Are they not
> being sold anymore?
>
> It seems like a solid bike frame, and I hear it has lighter tubing than
> the Hillborne. Maybe a nice substitute for the A Homer Hilsen (in function
> as a club ride bike, not geo).
>
> I debated between the Hillborne and the San Marcos and chose the
> Hillborne, but wondering if there were any Soma San Marcos owners out there
> and how you guys like it.
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RE: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

It was probably my fault for giving her such a nice bike when she and my son 
were living at 50th and Pine.  But they don't have a car, and she was riding an 
old single speed which was fine for her daily commute to Center City, but not 
much good for other uses (at least those that involved much climbing of hills). 
 She had indoor storage at the school where she teaches, and she brought it 
inside (or tried to!) every day when she arrived back home.  It's a cautionary 
tale.

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

Wow. Sorry to hear the bad news but glad it was only a material possession that 
was lost. I was mugged while living in Philly a couple of times. Took a bit  of 
time to get over it. anyway I still live in the area and do a lot of bike horse 
trading. If I see it, I will contact you. Best wishes
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[RBW] FT/FS: Pari Motos & Nifty Swifties for Soma B line/Lierre/Loup Loup

[islaysteve]

I know, in my dreams as far as the Loup Loups go, right?  Anyway, P-Ms are 
lightly used, less than 400 miles, original extra light event tires, all black. 
 Nifties have even less mileage but one has slight kink in bead, should not 
affect mounting.  I'm willing to trade one or both pair, will consider cash for 
upgrade if appropriate.  No punctures or problems with either pair, I would 
just like a 38 tire with a little more substance for mixed road/trail riding.  
As far as straight sales, how about $45 for the P-M and $25 for the Nifties, 
shipping extra.  Please message me, it works as far as I know.  Thanks, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/28/2015 08:33 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:


My Saluki has cantis – I think most of them were center/sidepulls, yes?



I'm not sure we ever learned the proportion of catiluki's vs 
centerpulluki's.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Brian Campbell]

Well I am going back quite a ways but when I lived in the same area (44th 
Walnut/ 48th Springfield) and my stuff got stolen (cameras/ musical 
equipment/bikes/tools etc.) I would go to the pawn shops in the retail area 
about 52nd & Pine. I had pretty good luck getting stuff back. There was 
also one notorious pawn shop at 13th and Bainbridge (IIRC) that was a known 
location for selling stolen goods. The police were not much help 
unfortunately (many other larger things to tend to) so I would either show 
pictures of myself with the item or police report and pay a "nominal fee" 
to get my stuff back. 

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 2:31:51 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> It was probably my fault for giving her such a nice bike when she and my 
> son were living at 50th and Pine.  But they don't have a car, and she was 
> riding an old single speed which was fine for her daily commute to Center 
> City, but not much good for other uses (at least those that involved much 
> climbing of hills).  She had indoor storage at the school where she 
> teaches, and she brought it inside (or tried to!) every day when she 
> arrived back home.  It's a cautionary tale.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Brian Campbell
> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2015 2:24 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne
>
>  
>
> Wow. Sorry to hear the bad news but glad it was only a material possession 
> that was lost. I was mugged while living in Philly a couple of times. Took 
> a bit  of time to get over it. anyway I still live in the area and do a lot 
> of bike horse trading. If I see it, I will contact you. Best wishes 
>
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[RBW] Re: C&O in October

[John G]

I'll try to come by Indian Flats on my Quickbeam after work Tuesday to say 
hello. No camping though.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 10:40:18 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> Okay locals, I've coordinated with my family, factored in our constraints, 
> and even exchanged a couple of emails with Tony DeFilippo to get some tips. 
>  Here is our plan for the C&O tour "rolling start" for any who wish to 
> simply say "hi", ride with us a while, our ride with us all the way to 
> Cumberland.
>
> Our start date is Tuesday, October 6.
>
> Our train that includes friend (Steve Butcher), son-in-law (Carey Jones), 
> and me will depart out of Silver Spring, MD.  We'll make two stops to meet 
> up with folks.  The first stop will be in Bethesda.  We will meet up at 
> 0830 at Bethesda Bagels (http://www.bethesdabagels.com/) and plan to roll 
> out by 0915.  That allows us to reach our next stop at Fletchers Boathouse 
> (C&O rendezvous) by 0945ish.  From there we'll head north on the C&O for a 
> few days.  For any who might be joining us for part of the way, we plan to 
> lunch in Leesburg that Tuesday, and camp the first night at the Indian 
> Flats hiker/biker site at approx. mile 42.
>
> I believe Tony is planning to join us for the first day and overnight.  I 
> recall that Rusty, Erl, Jeff, Kellie, and Minh have all expressed interest 
> in some level of participation.  I hope to meet several of you on this 
> trip...and thanks again to everyone who offered planning help!
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>
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[RBW] soma san marcos?

[Joe Bernard]

I believe it's still available from SOMA, plus there always seems to be a few 
on Ebay. I suspect the Ebay underpricing situation is why Riv stopped selling 
it..Grant mentioned it about a year ago on the Blug.

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[RBW] Bags for sale. Some Brooks B17's... Mustache handlebar setup too.

[RJM]

I have a few Sackville bags that need a new home...these are just taking up 
space and the wife is irritated with me for having "stuff everywhere."

Sackville SaddleSack Small - Olive   Pretty good shape with only a few 
marks from various rubbing. No holes or any weirdness. Great bag.  -  $90

Sackville TrunkSack Large - Olive  This is in a little worse shape than the 
SaddleSack above, but still, no holes or any weirdness. The leather on the 
back that fits over one of the Nitto racks is a little "not flat," that's 
really the only difference in condition. Still works finejust some 
beausage. - $75

Sackville TrunkSack Small - Olive. About the same shape as the SaddleSack 
above. Handly little bag for a front rack. - $70

Pics 
here https://www.flickr.com/photos/93186953@N00/albums/72157659105110846   
 If you need more, just ask and I will put some more up. 

Brooks B17 Select - I used this on my Roadeo for only about 300/400 miles 
and have switched to something not leathery. It worked fine and was super 
comfortable, but I confess I went a little lighter for this bike. This is a 
quality saddle with good thick leather. Has one scuff mark on the corner (I 
lean my bikes up against building sometimes using the saddle to hold it up 
and this is what happens...really, the only blemish) Comes with a box, tin 
of goop, saddle cover, and a copy of the brooks newspaper thing shown. - 
$120

Brooks B17 Standard black - my first Brooks saddle that I replaced with a 
Special model. This one I rode for about 800 miles and it has a scuff mark 
on the top. Still has plenty of life in it...comes in a box. $75

Pics - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93186953@N00/albums/72157658753091239/with/21571911008/



I have a mustache handlebar setup, one of the early mustache bars and not 
the current ones. This setup has a 8" dirt drop stem, some Soma blinky 
lights that Riv used to sell for bar end plugs that probably need 
batteries. I haven't turned them on in years. It also has some Dia Compe 
non-aero brake levers that I bought from Velo Orange a while back but I 
installed some brake cable adjusters in the end, which really help with 
adjustment...surprise. The handlebars are wrapped in black cloth tape and 
shellacked. It's a good setup. 

pics 
here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/93186953@N00/albums/72157658753070729 
 Say$hundred bucks for the setup. 


I can take paypal or check/money order with a small wait to see if it 
clears. prices are marked shipped to you if you live in the lower 48...

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. 

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Brewster Fong]

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I believe it's still available from SOMA, plus there always seems to be a 
> few on Ebay. I suspect the Ebay underpricing situation is why Riv stopped 
> selling it..Grant mentioned it about a year ago on the Blug.

 
Interestingly, Soma's website show a sale on the pearl blue 59/63cm SM 
framesets at about $850 (while supply lasts):
 
 http://store.somafab.com/sosanmadotof.html
 
But if you don't mind the tiburon blue color, its available in all sizes at 
the regular $930 price:
 
http://store.somafab.com/sosanmafr20.html
 
Soma's website explains the changes for 2015:
 
*CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are designed 
for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. Max. tire fit: 38mm
The 59cm and 63cm are designed for 700c wheels and 55-75mm reach road 
brakes. Max. tire fit: 35mm
The 59 and 63cm have that Rivendell double top tube to restore the 
triangulation lost with the tall top tube.
 
Good Luck! 

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[RBW] My Touring Bike

[Trenker]

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Re: [RBW] My Touring Bike

[James Warren]

Nice! Is that a custom-sized larger-than-61 Atlantis? I'm intrigued, because it looks like a 66 or so, but it looks (due to the lugs) like it comes from a period when even the 64's had to be special ordered.  Any great photo, thanks!-Original Message-
From: Trenker 
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Re: [RBW] My Touring Bike

[Trenker]

Thanks. It is a standard 66 from a few years ago, I like the size for me. 

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Re: [RBW] My Touring Bike

[James Warren]

It must be one of the last 66's that you could get! I think that big a frame 
with those newer lugs is rare. Those are my favorite of the Atlantis lugs.

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! I 18th the sentiments of sorrow this happened and thankful she is 
unharmed and doing well.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam 
> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks 
> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Did you really live at 44th and Walnut?  In law school I had an apartment at 
4400 Walnut, and I bought my first house at the corner of 46th and Larchwood.



On Sep 28, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Brian Campbell 
mailto:bdcampbel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well I am going back quite a ways but when I lived in the same area (44th 
Walnut/ 48th Springfield) and my stuff got stolen (cameras/ musical 
equipment/bikes/tools etc.) I would go to the pawn shops in the retail area 
about 52nd & Pine. I had pretty good luck getting stuff back. There was also 
one notorious pawn shop at 13th and Bainbridge (IIRC) that was a known location 
for selling stolen goods. The police were not much help unfortunately (many 
other larger things to tend to) so I would either show pictures of myself with 
the item or police report and pay a "nominal fee" to get my stuff back.

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 2:31:51 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
It was probably my fault for giving her such a nice bike when she and my son 
were living at 50th and Pine.  But they don't have a car, and she was riding an 
old single speed which was fine for her daily commute to Center City, but not 
much good for other uses (at least those that involved much climbing of hills). 
 She had indoor storage at the school where she teaches, and she brought it 
inside (or tried to!) every day when she arrived back home.  It's a cautionary 
tale.

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

Wow. Sorry to hear the bad news but glad it was only a material possession that 
was lost. I was mugged while living in Philly a couple of times. Took a bit  of 
time to get over it. anyway I still live in the area and do a lot of bike horse 
trading. If I see it, I will contact you. Best wishes
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[RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[iamkeith]

 

Would anyone happen to know how the older "Compass" 26x1.75 tires compare, 
in terms of equivalency, to the standard and extra-light casing versions 
of the Rat Trap Pass tires?   The website doesn't really say, and I haven't 
gotten a response to an email inquiry to Jan.   

I  bought a pair of the standard-casing skinwall variety, to experimentally 
replace the Compass tires that I've been very happy with, on my All 
Rounder.  But I neglected to consider that I might like the current 
tires because they were more equivalent to the extra-light version, without 
realizing it.   Thought I should try to figure it out before I open the 
packages and mount them, in case I want to switch.

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Bill Lindsay]

It is my understanding that the Compass 1.75 tires have a casing that is 
much more similar to the standard RTP casing.  I expect the difference in 
width will dwarf the casing difference.  In terms of equivalence I think 
you picked the right model (the standard RTP).  

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 4:33:27 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
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>  
>
> Would anyone happen to know how the older "Compass" 26x1.75 tires compare, 
> in terms of equivalency, to the standard and extra-light casing versions 
> of the Rat Trap Pass tires?   The website doesn't really say, and I haven't 
> gotten a response to an email inquiry to Jan.   
>
> I  bought a pair of the standard-casing skinwall variety, to 
> experimentally replace the Compass tires that I've been very happy with, on 
> my All Rounder.  But I neglected to consider that I might like the current 
> tires because they were more equivalent to the extra-light version, without 
> realizing it.   Thought I should try to figure it out before I open the 
> packages and mount them, in case I want to switch.
>
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Kevin Lindsey]

Awful news.  Like everyone else, I'm glad she wasn't harmed.
I use dailylister.com, which searches all Craigslists as well as Ebay.  Try 
this 
link: 
http://www.dailylister.com/Search_Results.cfm?q=rivendell&as_oq=bik&cx=006225133476456637497%3Anhut7xqnd70&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&sort=date&newwindow=1
Please keep us up to date.
All the best,
Kevin

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>
> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam 
> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks 
> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
>
>  
>
> Good news – she wasn't hurt.  
>
>  
>
> The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that 
> they quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting 
> his hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd 
> put out a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or 
> Craigslist (would someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search 
> shoot me back a how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, 
> a vintage Alu-Dur chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be 
> hard to spot.  Here are a couple of pics:
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/
>
>  
>
> I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the 
> word out.
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

>
> So sorry to hear that. Best to you and your daughter.
>>
>
 Hopefully the police will connect this incident to other robberies and 
catch the scum bags.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] My Touring Bike

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

That's a beauty! Nicely accessorized.


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[RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Liesl]

Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has decided 
that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars on her 
big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she just 
can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is happening 
in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long pelvis; no 
cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve the 
problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what parts 
we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike mechanic 
(okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:

1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes the 
best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a short 
stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop stem 
ready to go.  but...

2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I 
slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from 
the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25 
inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too 
far forward and would be neck-bothering.

3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because, 
compared to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks 
are 1" closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be 
better proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar 
cockpit, steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and 
sell the Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses 
because it would likely still be too upright.)

okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 

with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think 
it would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?

And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and 
derailer cables than you!  Maybe!

thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.

riv chica worrier




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Re: [RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Eric Daume]

The Cheviot brochure shows an Albastache model:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzo7-V-zcAdRdmk4cVFnV29udDQ/view

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has
> decided that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars
> on her big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she
> just can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is
> happening in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long
> pelvis; no cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve
> the problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what
> parts we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike
> mechanic (okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:
>
> 1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes
> the best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a
> short stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop
> stem ready to go.  but...
>
> 2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I
> slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from
> the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25
> inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too
> far forward and would be neck-bothering.
>
> 3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because,
> compared to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks
> are 1" closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be
> better proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar
> cockpit, steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and
> sell the Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses
> because it would likely still be too upright.)
>
> okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 
>
> with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
> have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think
> it would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
> have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
> tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?
>
> And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and
> derailer cables than you!  Maybe!
>
> thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.
>
> riv chica worrier
>
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Re: [RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/28/2015 08:57 PM, Liesl wrote:
Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has 
decided that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco 
bars on her big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is 
that she just can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.


Have you tried lowering the handlebars so she doesn't sit quite so upright?

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[CMiller]

Bikes can be replaced, daughters can't. Sorry about the Sam, but very happy 
she wasn't hurt. Good luck on the search, I'll keep my eye out.

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Re: [RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Liesl]

Steve, yep, tried it; the Boscos are plunged all the way down.  Still not 
enough relief.

And Eric, good spot on the cheviot brochure!  And—why the heck do I not 
have a copy of this brochure in my house

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[RBW] Re: C&O in October

[Pondero]

Great, John, thanks!  It sounds like we'll have a site full.  

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[drew]

not sure if this is helpful, and dont quote me on the numbers, but...

i had m-bars+9cm tallux on my sam (which i assume has a similar tt to the 
qb) which fit so great that i wanted to replicate the feeling on my hunq 
(which i assume has a similar effective tt to the chev).  i used 
albastache+the smaller dirt drop. i think i measured at the time, and that 
put me within a centimeter or 2 of where the bars landed on the sam. i feel 
slightly less leaned over on the hunq, but that is probably because the bar 
height is higher.  still very comfortable and not fully upright. 

sidenote:
after that, i put albatross + 11cm tallux on the sam, because i decided it 
was silly to have 2 bikes with m/albastache ish bars. albatross bars on the 
sam feel way too cramped and upright for me. thinking about going back to 
the m set up. 

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[RBW] Autumn Aspen Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

The aspen are still spectacular AND my brain was doing well enough to head out 
with the whole family. My wife hiked in with the two littles to play in a creek 
and the two older lassies rode with me over hill and through dale and creeks 
and aspen.

Wow, is it fantastic being out with family, the breeze sending cascading gold 
all round with the dusty autumn loam scents filling the air. Sun played hide 
and seek and as my eldest pointed out it just had to come out when we were in 
LCG up the steep! Grin.

Not much direct Rivendell content, but I rode my Hunqapillar and it makes this 
possible. Photos show thar’s gold in them thar hills!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/albums/72157656909930253

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Justin August]

I would perhaps think about an Albastache + a temporary threadless adapter 
+ threadless stem to test fit many lengths. This sounds like a situation 
where precision will be appreciated. Or if the Quickbeam setup is ideal, 
see what length of typical Technomic you'd need to put the bars in a 
similar place.

-J

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 6:52:55 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> not sure if this is helpful, and dont quote me on the numbers, but...
>
> i had m-bars+9cm tallux on my sam (which i assume has a similar tt to the 
> qb) which fit so great that i wanted to replicate the feeling on my hunq 
> (which i assume has a similar effective tt to the chev).  i used 
> albastache+the smaller dirt drop. i think i measured at the time, and that 
> put me within a centimeter or 2 of where the bars landed on the sam. i feel 
> slightly less leaned over on the hunq, but that is probably because the bar 
> height is higher.  still very comfortable and not fully upright. 
>
> sidenote:
> after that, i put albatross + 11cm tallux on the sam, because i decided it 
> was silly to have 2 bikes with m/albastache ish bars. albatross bars on the 
> sam feel way too cramped and upright for me. thinking about going back to 
> the m set up. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Justin August]

Alert the folks at Wolf Cycles, Firehouse, Via, etc...
Bummer. I miss West Philly (47th and Baltimore) but preferred South Square 
West (22nd and South/Kater) for my Philly living.

I hope something ok comes of it.

:(
-J

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 6:15:28 PM UTC-7, CMiller wrote:
>
> Bikes can be replaced, daughters can't. Sorry about the Sam, but very 
> happy she wasn't hurt. Good luck on the search, I'll keep my eye out.
>

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Re: [RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Dan McNamara]

Hi Liesl,

I have a Cheviot with albastach bars. Traditional setup with road levers but 
stem shifters. The stem is a 7cm Tallux. 

I really like the setup. Comfortable and not as upright as the Bosco bars. 

There are other options out there for minimal drop mustache bars as well. Soma 
has one that is made for mountain levers with plenty of room for shifters. 

I'll send you a picture of the Soma next to the Albastache bars now on the 
Cheviot - just need to dig them out of storage. 

Dan

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> The Cheviot brochure shows an Albastache model:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzo7-V-zcAdRdmk4cVFnV29udDQ/view
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Liesl  wrote:
>> Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has decided 
>> that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars on her 
>> big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she just 
>> can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is happening 
>> in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long pelvis; no 
>> cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve the 
>> problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what parts 
>> we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike mechanic 
>> (okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:
>> 
>> 1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes the 
>> best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a short 
>> stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop stem 
>> ready to go.  but...
>> 
>> 2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I 
>> slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from 
>> the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25 
>> inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too 
>> far forward and would be neck-bothering.
>> 
>> 3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because, compared 
>> to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks are 1" 
>> closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be better 
>> proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar cockpit, 
>> steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and sell the 
>> Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses because it 
>> would likely still be too upright.)
>> 
>> okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 
>> 
>> with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
>> have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think it 
>> would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
>> have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
>> tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?
>> 
>> And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and 
>> derailer cables than you!  Maybe!
>> 
>> thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.
>> 
>> riv chica worrier
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] FT: My 58cm Atlantis for your 56cm

[PaulS]

Interested in your 58cm if you find a 56! 

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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[ted]

Liesl,

Heads up, I don't think mountain brake levers fit on mustache or albastache 
bars. 
Also, if you want a short tech delux stem I think Bens Cycle in Milwaukee 
carries them down to 5cm. The short dirt drop is 8cm and the long one is 
10, so a 5cm would get you 3-5cm (abt. 1 or 2 inch) depending on which dirt 
drop you have. Might help some. If you do get a short stem, make sure the 
clamp is 26.0 to fit the m or albastache bar.

Hope you are able to sort something out without too much trouble.

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 5:57:11 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has 
> decided that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars 
> on her big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she 
> just can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is 
> happening in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long 
> pelvis; no cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve 
> the problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what 
> parts we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike 
> mechanic (okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:
>
> 1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes 
> the best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a 
> short stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop 
> stem ready to go.  but...
>
> 2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I 
> slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from 
> the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25 
> inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too 
> far forward and would be neck-bothering.
>
> 3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because, 
> compared to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks 
> are 1" closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be 
> better proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar 
> cockpit, steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and 
> sell the Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses 
> because it would likely still be too upright.)
>
> okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 
>
> with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
> have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think 
> it would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
> have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
> tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?
>
> And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and 
> derailer cables than you!  Maybe!
>
> thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.
>
> riv chica worrier
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Surlyprof]

The Albastache bars do require road levers and a 26mm stem diameter.  I had 
25.4 Albatross on my Sam and changed it to Albastache.  Had to change both 
levers and stem.  The stem length reduction was 30mm (110 down to 80). 
 Fits great.  I assume that the Bosco might be similar although I have less 
experience with them.

John

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 5:57:11 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has 
> decided that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars 
> on her big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she 
> just can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is 
> happening in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long 
> pelvis; no cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve 
> the problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what 
> parts we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike 
> mechanic (okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:
>
> 1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes 
> the best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a 
> short stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop 
> stem ready to go.  but...
>
> 2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I 
> slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from 
> the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25 
> inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too 
> far forward and would be neck-bothering.
>
> 3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because, 
> compared to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks 
> are 1" closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be 
> better proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar 
> cockpit, steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and 
> sell the Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses 
> because it would likely still be too upright.)
>
> okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 
>
> with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
> have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think 
> it would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
> have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
> tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?
>
> And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and 
> derailer cables than you!  Maybe!
>
> thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.
>
> riv chica worrier
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[James Warren]

Have you considered Bullmoose? I spent a few years using those on my orange 
Hillborne that I used to own. It was a great setup, and has some potential to 
not be bolt upright. Bike had a real solid, confident feel with those bars:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/5366126510/in/album-72157625850005210/


On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Liesl wrote:

> Steve, yep, tried it; the Boscos are plunged all the way down.  Still not 
> enough relief.
> 
> And Eric, good spot on the cheviot brochure!  And—why the heck do I not have 
> a copy of this brochure in my house
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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[Joe Bernard]

One thing to consider - which will also allow you to keep the current 
levers/shifters - is that the Bosco is noticeably taller/reachier than 
Albatross. 

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 5:57:11 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Friends, need the advice of the collective!  My partner Erin has 
> decided that the beautiful harlequined, paul-thumied, bullmoosed Bosco bars 
> on her big Cheviot are just not groovin' for her.  The problem is that she 
> just can't sit so upright due to tailbone pain.  This tailbone pain is 
> happening in lots of sitting situations; not unique to biking.  Long 
> pelvis; no cushion; runs in the family.  Tried different seats; don't solve 
> the problem.  Anyway, I am trying to help figure out what will work, what 
> parts we might already have, and what I can do as the household bike 
> mechanic (okay, that's a laugh, but I persist).  some thoughts:
>
> 1) she's ridden with noodles, m'bars, and boscos—and the bars she likes 
> the best are old school mustaches, which she has on her 58 cm QB with a 
> short stem; maybe 8-10 cm.  I have an extra m'bar cockpit with a dirt drop 
> stem ready to go.  but...
>
> 2) the 60 cm Cheviot is one lng big-boned gal, as we like to say.  I 
> slipped the m'bar cockpit into the Cheviot's headset, and the length from 
> the center hole on Brooks saddle to the bar-through-stem point was 2.25 
> inches longer than the same distance on the QB.  We both think that's too 
> far forward and would be neck-bothering.
>
> 3) looks like the Albastache could solve this length issue because, 
> compared to the original m'bar the grip area is 2" longer and the crooks 
> are 1" closer according to Riv.  Plus it's wider and I think would be 
> better proportions visually on the Cheviot.  I could take apart the m'bar 
> cockpit, steal the brake levers and dirt drop, add sunrace shifters, and 
> sell the Bosco cockpit. (She's not so much thinking about albatrosses 
> because it would likely still be too upright.)
>
> okay, so now for the questions.  Do any of you out there 
>
> with similar problems?  How did you solve them?
> have experience moving from original m'bars to albastaches?  Do you think 
> it would solve the 2.25 inch issue?
> have albastaches on your Cheviot?  Pictures please?
> tried mountain bike levers and thumbies on albastaches?  Pictures please?
>
> And remember, it takes me about 4-6 times longer to change brake and 
> derailer cables than you!  Maybe!
>
> thanks in advance for your help and stay tuned.
>
> riv chica worrier
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Philip Williamson]

That is the worst. Actually, it could be way worse, so yay for that, but 
still... I'm sorry for that.
Give her another awesome bike! Otherwise, the terrorists win, right?

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[RBW] Stolen Sam Hillborne

[Philip Williamson]

That is the worst. Actually, it could be way worse, so yay for that, but 
still... I'm sorry for that.
Give her another awesome bike! Otherwise, the terrorists win, right?

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

[drew]

Agree with joe too. Albatross at near saddle height could potentially solve 
this in the most straightforward way. 

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