Re: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[Chris Meredith]

Fantastic!  I was admittedly not looking forward to having my keys hanging off 
my Mac any time I wanted to run both operating systems.
Has this also been tested with altering the hard disk space, or backing up and 
restoring the virtual machine to/from external media?
Related to all of this, I can’t help but wonder why “Remove Authorization” 
doesn’t actually increment my available authorization count … which is actually 
probably another question for another thread on another list at another time.

-C-
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris, there were changes made to JAWS 16 that make it highly tolerant of 
> VM changes. You can very the RAM, the number of CPUs etc and not lose an 
> authorisation, so there's really no reason to avoid using ILM if you have it.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 14/06/2015, at 5:04 pm, Chris Meredith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings.
>> 
>> I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an 
>> ILM authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of 
>> their authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware dongle 
>> from a prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a widely used 
>> operating system whose name is the same as  those panes of glass that some 
>> of you may look through from time to time.
>> Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
>> Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver 
>> error” from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an 
>> installed “SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this 
>> doesn’t exist.  Has anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with 
>> NVDA, except that there is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.
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Re: Dropbox Selective Sync

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all!
Somebody, some time ago, placed a message on how to do selective since with 
Dropbox, but I deleted it accidentally.
Can somebody please forward it again or explain the little trick to do it with 
VoiceOver?
Thanks to all!

Daniela Rubio T
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> El 6/6/2015, a las 13:32, Shaf  escribió:
> 
> Is there an accessible way of selecting stuff in Preferences/Selective Sync 
> that any of you have tried?
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Some questions about/help needed with using Twitterrific with voiceover

['Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all 

Wondering if anyone can be of  any help here. Yesterday I installed 
Twitterrific on my IPad and IPhone. So far it looks really good, bbut I have a 
couple of questions which I'm hoping someone may know the answer to. 

> Firstly, doo you know if Twitterrific would also work on my Mac? 
> 
> Secondly, I read in the help section of Twitterrific's settings about 
> cleanning your timeline cash data and reloading your tweets without all the 
> extra rubbish. I tried to follow the instructions they gave, but with 
> relatively little joy. Has anyone else done this using VO?, and if so could 
> you send me some instructions on how to do this?? 
> 
> Many thanks for any help you can give. 
> 
> Eleanor

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Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

No, not at all.


On 6/14/2015 3:13 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf > wrote:


No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:


Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, > wrote:


Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed
mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as
part of the public beta program?

Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in
Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/


https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/


Sent using OS X Mail





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I
found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan
properly lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that
I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so
did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I
know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and
Yosemite.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main
concern, my main concern is will I be able to run it on my
mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, it
sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or
something like that. So is this the end of the line for me?
Yosemite I mean.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera
mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:

ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel mailto:topdog2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Re: Piping sound to another device?

[Shaf]

What?
Airport Express is a wireless router, am I right?
So is Airport Extreme but that is an upgraded version?
How can you stream music to a wireless router? Probably a dumb question 
but would really love an answer.


On 6/14/2015 5:11 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

If you had either an Airport Express or an Apple TV, this would be very easily 
accomplished.  You can stream music to both those devices independent of the 
sound coming through either the internal speakers or the headphone jack.  I, at 
times, am doing work on my computer and have iTunes music streaming to two 
different Airport Expresses and one Apple TV simultaneously.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2015, at 21:57, Justin Mann  wrote:

Hi there,

I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible that 
I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, and, 
take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put it 
through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
Thanks



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Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support 
somebody who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user 
(including myself) is a waist of your time and your resources.

Good luck.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version 
of the operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go 
about reporting it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I 
think I know someone who has violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a 
discussion where you seemed to have some doubts related to your 
ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not 
bend your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do 
you mean that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by 
companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances,

where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of 
wading through this garbage.



On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, 
I'm legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  
Normally, I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, 
however, Apple is one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this 
policy on under any circumstances!
But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Shawn Krasniuk 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
*Subject:*Re: el capitan

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf > wrote:


No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, > wrote:

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker > wrote:



Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia.


Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail




On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found 
out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. 
But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to 
use it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when 
the public will be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta 
for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs > wrote:


The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El 
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El 
Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, 
my main concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 
white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El 
Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like 
that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, D

Re: Dropbox Selective Sync

[Shaf]

Sure!
So go to Menu Extras, then vo-space on Dropbox. Go to Settings > 
Preferences, then go to the Account tab. There you'll find Selective 
Sync, go into that dialog.
Now you'll see a Dropbox file explorer. Visually (to a sighted person) 
there are checkboxes to the left of each folder. But we can't get to 
those checkboxes, so when you're focused on the folder you want to 
exclude from syncing to your mac, stop interacting with the browser and 
don't move your VO cursor anywhere. Tab to another (cancel) button, then 
tab back to that browser, and when you've tabbed to that browser don't 
do anything with your VO curser at all. As soon as you here 'browser' or 
something similar, hit the Space bar and then the Apply button should be 
undimmed. Hit apply and you've excluded that folder from syncing.


Note that you can't accessibly tell what's selected and what's not, so 
you'll have to use trial and error (or move everything you don't want 
synced into 1 folder so it's easier for you.)


Good luck with this!


-Shaf
On 6/14/2015 11:14 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Hello all!
Somebody, some time ago, placed a message on how to do selective since 
with Dropbox, but I deleted it accidentally.
Can somebody please forward it again or explain the little trick to do 
it with VoiceOver?

Thanks to all!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





El 6/6/2015, a las 13:32, Shaf > escribió:


Is there an accessible way of selecting stuff in 
Preferences/Selective Sync that any of you have tried?


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Re: el capitan

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait until 
the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off the 
ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that promoting 
my business is against list rules.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
> software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
> developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody 
> who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) 
> is a waist of your time and your resources.
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> 
> On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:
>> Christopher-Mark -
>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
>> help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
>> violated the law.
>> 
>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
>> issues to Apple.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
>> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that 
>> it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
>>  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
>> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
>> where you will not "bend this policy."
>> 
>> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
>> through this garbage.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
>> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
>> not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of 
>> the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any 
>> circumstances!
>>  
>> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should 
>> be the least! of your worries.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
>>> it may have in the future?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf >>> > wrote:
 
 No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
 
 On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  > wrote:
>> Hi Ricardo, 
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming. 
>> 
>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>> 
>>> hth
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed >>> > wrote:
 
 Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
 the public beta program? 
 
 Totally missed the stream. 
 
 It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Certificate IV in International Trade 
 
 Vocational College of Business 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 LinkedIn: 
 
 https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
  
 
 https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
  
 
  
 
 Sent using OS X Mail 
 
 
 
 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  

Re: Can anyone tell me how I go about editing the bio of my Twitter profile using voiceover please?

['Graham' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, 

Im no expert but couldnt you edit your bio bia one of the numerous twitter 
clients for mac and ios such as twitterific or tweetings 

Warm regards 

Graham
  

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:36, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> Just a quick question. I'm trying to edit the information/bbio in my Twitter 
> profile using voiceover. I've tried  it on all 3 of my devices (IPhone, IPad 
> and Mac) and every time I get to the place where I can edit the text it all 
> of a sudden seems to become completely inaccessible. Voiceover stops reading 
> the text in the field I'm editing, so I've  no idea where abouts in the 
> information I am, so consequently can't delete/amend/type anything different. 
> My Apple personal ttrainer  spent 35 minutes in my lesson today trying to do 
> the same thing using voiceover, but with absolutely no joy at all. 
> 
> So does anyone know how I can successfully go about editing  the 
> information/bio in my Twitter profile using voiceover?? Is it actually 
> accessible? Or am I always going to have to rely on a sighted person to 
> change things for me?? 
> 
> Any help/information anyone  could  give on this would be most  gratefully 
> appreciated. My personal trainer has sent  an e-mail to Twitter complaining 
> about their inaccessibility in this regard. Would encourage anyone  else  
> who's having this problem to do  the same in the hopes  that Twitter will 
> listen and improve things for us. 
> 
> Eleanor  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take 
you to court; they're not the RIAA.


On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just 
wait until the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring 
business off the ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll 
stop as I know that promoting my business is against list rules.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf > wrote:


I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta 
preview software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to 
support the developers/company for, other than that I have no need to 
support somebody who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every 
torrent user (including myself) is a waist of your time and your 
resources.

Good luck.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta 
version of the operating system and subsequently installed it, how 
would I go about reporting it? Any help you can give me is truly 
appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such 
a rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a 
discussion where you seemed to have some doubts related to your 
ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by 
your statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you 
will not bend your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict 
policy). Do you mean that it is acceptable to pirate software 
developed by companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be 
quite instructive to know the other things, the very few instances,

where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of 
wading through this garbage.



On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, 
I'm legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  
Normally, I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, 
however, Apple is one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this 
policy on under any circumstances!
But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however 
updates should be the least! of your worries.

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Shawn Krasniuk 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
*Subject:*Re: el capitan

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf > wrote:


No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site 
for free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, > wrote:

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker > wrote:



Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia.


Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail




On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk 
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I 
found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan 
properly lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that 
I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so 
did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I 
know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs > wrote:


The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El 
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and 
Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
mailto:bbssh

strange issue with my computer

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

Hello everyone, i am having problem with my computer, like closing windows on 
my mac. I was working with imovie this morning but this strange issue came up. 
before i restarted my computer, i did open safari then i tried to type on the 
edit box, but on my surprise i can't type anything. can somebody help me. i 
already repair my disk.
thanks

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Illegal software use.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Would the moderators be so kind as to shut down the El Captain discussion and 
consider removing those folks who are encouraging illegal activities. This is 
against list policy

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Re: strange issue with my computer

[Shaf]

Be more specific.

On 6/14/2015 12:49 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

Hello everyone, i am having problem with my computer, like closing windows on 
my mac. I was working with imovie this morning but this strange issue came up. 
before i restarted my computer, i did open safari then i tried to type on the 
edit box, but on my surprise i can't type anything. can somebody help me. i 
already repair my disk.
thanks



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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, let me explain.

First off, absolutely not, I do not condone distributing pirated software of 
any company.  That's not what I meant to imply.

As for reporting to Apple, I'd basically just call their toll free Developer 
support line and speak to an Apple Dev advisor about it, and give them the 
information I knew about the individual.  then, if they wish to pursue it any 
further, that's then to their disgression.  All I can do is simply tell them, 
at which point it's then out of my hands.  I've done my part at that point.

As for the strictness thing, let me also explain what I meant by that.  You 
have to understand that I teach professionally how to use Apple products.  It 
would not help my credibility nor my reputation if I wasn't so strict.  Though 
I wouldn't really necessarily report you for pirating software, I wouldn't 
support the act of doing so.  With Apple, it's a little different since I 
actually do this for a job, and now possess an Apple certification.  Might I 
add, it took me lots of hard work to get this, so therefore, I don't want it 
taken away from me, and I'm a bit concerned that frankly, if I didn't report 
it, yet I knew of someone who was breaking the  developer policy, I could get 
in trouble.  It's the whole, if you knew, why didn't you say anything.

So yeah, it's not meant to be... in your words... discriminatory.  I'm sorry 
you took it that way.  I'm honestly not sure why you did, but, yeah.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: gs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:06 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Christopher-Mark -
  Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you 
can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the 
law.


  If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


  Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
   How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
  where you will not "bend this policy."


  I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.




  On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


  I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

  But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should 
be the least! of your worries.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook






  On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:


  No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.


  On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

  Hi Ricardo, 


  Thanks for confirming. 


  Looking forward to downloading. 


  Regards, 

  Sadam Ahmed 


  Sent from my iPhone 


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  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

  On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
 wrote:



  Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program? 



  Totally missed the stream. 



  It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



  Sadam Ahmed 



  Certificate IV in International Trade 



  Vocational College of Business 



  RMIT University 



  LinkedIn: 



  https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 



  
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college

Re: strange issue with my computer

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

sounds like a quicknav issue?


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, i am having problem with my computer, like closing windows on 
> my mac. I was working with imovie this morning but this strange issue came 
> up. before i restarted my computer, i did open safari then i tried to type on 
> the edit box, but on my surprise i can't type anything. can somebody help me. 
> i already repair my disk.
> thanks
> 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Let's get a few things straight.

I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your time 
by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Christopher,


  I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac 
OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report about 
other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite 
honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? 
You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling 
us you have that power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a 
bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of 
everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put 
some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your 
project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more 
about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, not recycled 
transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.










On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs  wrote:


Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
where you will not "bend this policy."


I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.




On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't even aware you could do that on the same Apple ID.  Am I wrong?  I 
would think if you're a dev, that would take precedence.  Correct me should 
I be wrong.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yeah I know what you mean. I guess it's for comparison.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 06:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


To the best of my knowledge, Chris, yes.  This is the first time.  I'm a 
little curious though.  Why did you sign up for the public beta, if you're 
a dev?  Isn't that somewhat redundant?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Hi all

Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta 
of iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a 
good one. I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as 
testing goes.

On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:

Thank you Chris

On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:
I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple 
is usually pretty hush hush about these type things.


I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So 
hang tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen 
so far.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Krysti .Power
To: Mac
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting 
back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to 
beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about 
El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm totally with Chris on this one, so for all you who think he and I are 
being unreasonable, get over it!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Probably not, and I would not encourage this practice at all. If you get 
found out, you could be sued. Just saying.

On 14 Jun 2015, at 03:13, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail




On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly 
lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use 
it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public 
will be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July 
but what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thanks for your opinion.  As if I give two chicken screws less!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 7:09 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody who 
is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) is a 
waist of your time and your resources.
  Good luck.


  -Shaf


  On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark - 
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
where you will not "bend this policy."


I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.




On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
it may have in the future? 


  Shawn
  Sent from my White MacBook






On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:


No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

  Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
  On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo, 


Thanks for confirming. 


Looking forward to downloading. 


Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed  


Sent from my iPhone  


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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
wrote:


  Hello,

  They will be available in the public beta program in July.

  hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
 wrote:



Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program? 



Totally missed the stream. 



It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



Sadam Ahmed 



Certificate IV in International Trade 



Vocational College of Business 



RMIT University 



LinkedIn: 



https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 




https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



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  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk 
 wrote:



  I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I 
found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test 
it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook







On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  
wrote:



The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El 
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
 wrote:



  

Re: strange issue with my computer

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

i don't think so because i turn off quick nav to type on the edit filled
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 2:24 pm, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> sounds like a quicknav issue?
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone, i am having problem with my computer, like closing windows 
>> on my mac. I was working with imovie this morning but this strange issue 
>> came up. before i restarted my computer, i did open safari then i tried to 
>> type on the edit box, but on my surprise i can't type anything. can somebody 
>> help me. i already repair my disk.
>> thanks
>> 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's heartening to know that at least someone agrees, for once in a lifetime.

Thanks.  Smile.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait until 
the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off the 
ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that promoting 
my business is against list rules.


  Shawn
  Sent from my White MacBook






On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:


I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody who 
is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) is a 
waist of your time and your resources.
Good luck.


-Shaf


On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

  Christopher-Mark - 
  Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
violated the law.


  If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


  Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
   How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
  where you will not "bend this policy."


  I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.




  On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

  But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future? 


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook






  On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:


  No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


  On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

  Hi Ricardo, 


  Thanks for confirming. 


  Looking forward to downloading. 


  Regards, 

  Sadam Ahmed  


  Sent from my iPhone  


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  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

  On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
 wrote:



  Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download 
as part of the public beta program? 



  Totally missed the stream. 



  It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



  Sadam Ahmed 



  Certificate IV in International Trade 



  Vocational College of Business 



  RMIT University 



  LinkedIn: 



  https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 



  
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



  Sent using OS X Mail 









On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk 
 wrote:



I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I 
found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting bac

Re: Illegal software use.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

A? freaking, men!

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Illegal software use.






Would the moderators be so kind as to shut down the El Captain discussion 
and consider removing those folks who are encouraging illegal activities. 
This is against list policy


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Re: el capitan

[blindcowgirl1993]

There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Let's get a few things straight.
>  
> I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
> not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
> wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
> wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
> me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
> expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
> bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
> Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
> doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
> web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
> you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
> couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
> developer access to start with.
>  
> If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
> this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
> mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
> get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
> for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
> more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted 
> some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not 
> me.  All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.
>  
> I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
> this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your 
> time by thinking I will answer your messages any further.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Yuma Decaux
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
> sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
> factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
> account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
> violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the 
> mac OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report 
> about other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and 
> quite honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do 
> sincerely? You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s 
> activities and telling us you have that power when you can’t find a button on 
> an interface to send a bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide 
> them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing 
> list, and why not put some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you 
> off? What’s your project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I 
> actually care more about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, 
> not recycled transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs  wrote:
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark -
>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
>> help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
>> violated the law.
>> 
>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
>> issues to Apple.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
>> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that 
>> it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
>>  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
>> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
>> where you will not "bend this policy."
>> 
>> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
>> through this garbage.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
>> legally obligated to reporti

Re: el capitan

[Devin Prater]

I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but my 
goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever you 
direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
>> Let's get a few things straight.
>>  
>> I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
>> not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
>> wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is 
>> nothing wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing 
>> wrong with me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only 
>> to be expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to 
>> report a bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated 
>> nothing in Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things 
>> considered, by doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking 
>> how to navigate a web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it 
>> were, it's not like you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're 
>> not a developer, you couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your 
>> Apple ID wouldn't have developer access to start with.
>>  
>> If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
>> this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
>> mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
>> get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  
>> As for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting 
>> things more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they 
>> wanted some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to 
>> them, not me.  All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see 
>> something.
>>  
>> I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
>> this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your 
>> time by thinking I will answer your messages any further.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Yuma Decaux 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> Christopher,
>> 
>> I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
>> sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
>> factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
>> account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
>> violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the 
>> mac OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report 
>> about other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and 
>> quite honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do 
>> sincerely? You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s 
>> activities and telling us you have that power when you can’t find a button 
>> on an interface to send a bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and 
>> provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this 
>> mailing list, and why not put some who question your ethics, just cuz they 
>> pissed you off? What’s your project here, what’s your goal? Do I really 
>> care? No, I actually care more about talking tech, not tech support. Future 
>> observations, not recycled transmission. and not receiving this kind of 
>> stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark -
>>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
>>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
>>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? 
>>> Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who 
>>> has violated the law.
>>> 
>>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
>>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
>>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
>>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
>>> issues to Apple.
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
>>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for 

Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

Christopher, you are such a moron. . Have you no better things to do, 
seriously? Oh wait, you’re an professional APple technical specialist who can’t 
even report a bug.

Chill out and stop throwing your tantrums




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Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

I think there’s a serious issue in this list. Some people don’t understand what 
a torrent is, and the responsibilities one must have in wording such things as 
saying that they would preffer downloading torrents from companies they don’t 
like. I don’t even know the last time I downloaded a torrent since all my 
books, services and media come from streaming ones such as spotify, netflix or 
audible. This is one.

Second, there’s an issue with members who are way out of line, flooding our 
mailboxes with hundreds of their mails every day. This is Christopher Mark 
Giland. Throwing very specific insults and threats of all kinds, galvanising 
certain opinions such as on torrents, then imputing threats at these members, 
rather than talk that memeber rationally about the misuse of illegal software. 
This is second.

> Third, there are no limits to what one can say or believe themselves to be in 
> a mailing list, such that their person is projected in a virtual community, 
> meaning there seems no impunity as to how one can be treated. Again, this 
> Christopher Mark Giland has shown troll like behaviour. yes, you Christopher. 
> Who asks for forgiveness than goes back to bashing around and saying 
> irrelevant things. If you are happy you were able to install an application 
> or tool, write it on a blog. I pointed out to this person that he pretended 
> to be a developer with Apple when he has just paid for the membership to 
> download beta software. Also pretending to be an apple tech help specialist, 
> bashes the company over at least 5 mails before calming down and moving on 
> while asking other members help on how to get a bug report out. So clearly, 
> this individual is not a developer, has purchased a membership for beta 
> testing, talks about his experiences over days and waves the NDA axe over all 
> who happen to get information from third parties, threatening people with 
> phone calls to Apple, reports and whatever other procedure this individual 
> wishes to entertain for reasons which personally, am confused about. This 
> madman feels like some kind of robocop going or pouring over every mail and 
> replying, even replying to himself over 3 mails to proove some very strange 
> point. this is standard trolling behaviour. I know, I lived the IRC channel 
> days and flooders like him tend to think they are super stars.

So for this purpose, I will not enter into this tirade like attitude a few 
members have and move on with some better, more informative mailing lists.

For the veterans, take care and good luck with the rest

>  



>  On 14/06/2015, at 11:27 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
> address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
> that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but 
> my goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever 
> you direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's get a few things straight.
>>>  
>>> I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
>>> not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat 
>>> nothing! wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There 
>>> is nothing wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is 
>>> nothing wrong with me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as 
>>> that's only to be expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with 
>>> asking how to report a bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out. 
>>>  I violated nothing in Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, 
>>> all things considered, by doing so.  I leaked no information by asking 
>>> such.  Asking how to navigate a web site isn't against their policy.  
>>> Besides, even if it were, it's not like you could do anything with the info 
>>> I gave.  If you're not a developer, you couldn't even get to that page to 
>>> start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have developer access to start with.
>>>  
>>> If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even 
>>> write this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then 
>>> shove my mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm 
>>> not out to get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely 
>>> childish!  As for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about 
>>> reporting things more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  
>>> If they wanted some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be 
>>> up to them, not me.  All I can do is be the ho

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know what...

You're right.  I don't like admitting it, but I am willing to.  I did 
over-react with how I came across in that last message, and you're correct in 
assuming the language was uncalled for.  It made me very angry at the way the 
one poster flew way off the handle with me... Uma I think was their name?  But, 
you know what... all of this being said, you are correct.  That doesn't excuse 
how I chose to react to the message.  I definitely crossed the line in that 
respect, and for that, I apologize.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Let's get a few things straight.

I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even 
write this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove 
my mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your time 
by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Christopher,


  I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac 
OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report about 
other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite 
honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? 
You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling 
us you have that power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a 
bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of 
everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put 
some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your 
project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more 
about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, not recycled 
transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.










On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs  wrote:


Christopher-Mark - 
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the 
operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting 
it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who 
has violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not 

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're 100% correct.  Devin.  Again, I don't like admitting it, but I do 
appreciate you calling me out on this.  NO, seriously, really, I do!  I'm not 
kidding around.  I was in the wrong in how I handled the situation.  I've been 
up all night with a sore throat, and am just really tired.  And what's worse, 
is I have to work today overtime, so I can't just go to bed.  Otherwise I 
would.  All this said though, my tiredness does not excuse the way I presented 
myself.  It was very distasteful.  Please accept my apology.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Devin Prater 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but my 
goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever you 
direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.

On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:


There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Let's get a few things straight.

  I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me 
or not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

  If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even 
write this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove 
my mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

  I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you 
regarding this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting 
your time by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Yuma Decaux 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Christopher,


I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac 
OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report about 
other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite 
honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? 
You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling 
us you have that power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a 
bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of 
everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put 
some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your 
project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more 
about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, not recycled 
transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.










  On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs  wrote:


  Christopher-Mark - 
  Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the 
operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting 
it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who 
has violated the

RE: el capitan

[george b]

Why don't you take all this chatt to a chatt room or blog and stop cluttering 
up our in boxes, please.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 23:55
To: macvisionaries
Subject: Re: el capitan

Probably not, and I would not encourage this practice at all. If you get found 
out, you could be sued. Just saying.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 03:13, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
> may have in the future?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
>>> Hi Ricardo, 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for confirming. 
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 They will be available in the public beta program in July.
 
 hth
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
> the public beta program? 
> 
> Totally missed the stream. 
> 
> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Certificate IV in International Trade 
> 
> Vocational College of Business 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> LinkedIn: 
> 
> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
> 
> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>  
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
>> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly   
>> lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it 
>> on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
>> be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
>> what about El Capitan?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
>>> heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
>>> engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
>>> Yosemite I mean.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
> 
> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
> 
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Re: Illegal software use.

[E.T.]

   Unfortunately there is no active list moderator on duty. We will not 
see the disrespect towards list members or Apple go away any time soon. 
The few who engage in this disrespectful behavior do not care.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/14/2015 4:58 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:




Would the moderators be so kind as to shut down the El Captain discussion and 
consider removing those folks who are encouraging illegal activities. This is 
against list policy

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RE: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[george b]

Well I just put windows 10 beta over windows 7 on my mac v m fusion and all 
works perfect

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Meredith
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 00:05
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

 

Fantastic!  I was admittedly not looking forward to having my keys hanging off 
my Mac any time I wanted to run both operating systems.

Has this also been tested with altering the hard disk space, or backing up and 
restoring the virtual machine to/from external media?

Related to all of this, I can’t help but wonder why “Remove Authorization” 
doesn’t actually increment my available authorization count … which is actually 
probably another question for another thread on another list at another time.

 

-C-

On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org> > wrote:

 

Hi Chris, there were changes made to JAWS 16 that make it highly tolerant of VM 
changes. You can very the RAM, the number of CPUs etc and not lose an 
authorisation, so there's really no reason to avoid using ILM if you have it.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org  

 

On 14/06/2015, at 5:04 pm, Chris Meredith mailto:talli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Greetings.

I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an ILM 
authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of their 
authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware dongle from a 
prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a widely used operating 
system whose name is the same as  those panes of glass that some of you may 
look through from time to time.
Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver error” 
from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an installed 
“SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this doesn’t exist.  Has 
anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with NVDA, except that there 
is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.

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RE: el capitan

[george b]

O my I hope you don’t teach them how to write emails

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 06:19
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan

 

OK, let me explain.

 

First off, absolutely not, I do not condone distributing pirated software of 
any company.  That's not what I meant to imply.

 

As for reporting to Apple, I'd basically just call their toll free Developer 
support line and speak to an Apple Dev advisor about it, and give them the 
information I knew about the individual.  then, if they wish to pursue it any 
further, that's then to their disgression.  All I can do is simply tell them, 
at which point it's then out of my hands.  I've done my part at that point.

 

As for the strictness thing, let me also explain what I meant by that.  You 
have to understand that I teach professionally how to use Apple products.  It 
would not help my credibility nor my reputation if I wasn't so strict.  Though 
I wouldn't really necessarily report you for pirating software, I wouldn't 
support the act of doing so.  With Apple, it's a little different since I 
actually do this for a job, and now possess an Apple certification.  Might I 
add, it took me lots of hard work to get this, so therefore, I don't want it 
taken away from me, and I'm a bit concerned that frankly, if I didn't report 
it, yet I knew of someone who was breaking the  developer policy, I could get 
in trouble.  It's the whole, if you knew, why didn't you say anything.

 

So yeah, it's not meant to be... in your words... discriminatory.  I'm sorry 
you took it that way.  I'm honestly not sure why you did, but, yeah.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: gs   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:06 AM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

Christopher-Mark - 

Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you 
can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the 
law.

 

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.

 

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your statement 
that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your policy (I 
assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is acceptable 
to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?

 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 

where you will not "bend this policy."

 

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.

 

 

On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm legally 
obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm not so 
prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the very 
few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

 

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should be 
the least! of your worries.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Shawn Krasniuk  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
may have in the future? 

 

Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook

 

 

 

On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf mailto:shafpa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.

On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Ricardo, 

 

Thanks for confirming. 

 

Looking forward to downloading. 

 

Regards, 

Sadam Ahmed  

 

Sent from my iPhone  

 

-- 

 

 


On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth



On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the 
public beta program? 

 

Totally missed the stream. 

 

It was being streamed at so

RE: el capitan

[george b]

I have 2 sore fingers from hitting the beleate key for this nonsense, and 
working on my 3rd finger.

 

Where is the moderators?  You notice there is no link to write them off list at 
the bottom of these emails

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 06:27
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan

 

I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but my 
goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever you 
direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.

On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Let's get a few things straight.

 

I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

 

If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

 

I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your time 
by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Yuma Decaux   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

Christopher,

 

I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non sequitur 
and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual factual. You 
call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer account 4 days 
ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for violating the NDA and 
yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac OS betas. Now you’re 
going out fascistic and saying that you will report about other people 
downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite honestly, this is 
shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? You got some kind 
of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling us you have that 
power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a bug report? You’re 
going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned 
certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put some who question your 
ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your project here, what’s your 
goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more about talking tech, not tech 
support. Future observations, not recycled transmission. and not receiving this 
kind of stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Christopher-Mark - 

Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you 
can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the 
law.

 

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recent

adding sound effects on imovie

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

Good day to all, can somebody tell me how to add sound effects on imovie? i 
just recorded a song on imovie, but i would like to add some sound effects on 
it, but it was was clickable on the content library. how to in able  this menu?

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

George, you know, I have a very strong point in being very forgiving and 
very patient most of the time, however, I do not think that you have said 
even one nice thing to me since the day we first met online back in the 
days.  There comes a point where one just needs to cut all tithes.  I'm 
unfortunately with you at that point.


No, I'm not going to block you, as what good does that do?  This said 
however, I don't intend to read any more of your messages responding to 
anything which I have posted nor to any threads which I am involved in the 
discussion of.


You have been nothing since day one but disrespectful to me, and honestly, I 
deserve way better than the lack of maturity you are demonstrating.


Have yourself a delightful day, and I'm sorry that our friendship is not 
going to be possible at this given time, by the looks of it.  That honestly 
saddens me.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: el capitan


Why don't you take all this chatt to a chatt room or blog and stop 
cluttering up our in boxes, please.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 23:55
To: macvisionaries
Subject: Re: el capitan

Probably not, and I would not encourage this practice at all. If you get 
found out, you could be sued. Just saying.

On 14 Jun 2015, at 03:13, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly 
lol. But getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use 
it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public 
will be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July 
but what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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RE: el capitan

[george b]

Well excusses are like well you know what chris, and now here you go making 
excusses on why you do what you do.  We all read this chaptor from you before 
until you do it another rampage then another excuse why.

 

Do you teach this to your students also???

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 07:04
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan

 

You're 100% correct.  Devin.  Again, I don't like admitting it, but I do 
appreciate you calling me out on this.  NO, seriously, really, I do!  I'm not 
kidding around.  I was in the wrong in how I handled the situation.  I've been 
up all night with a sore throat, and am just really tired.  And what's worse, 
is I have to work today overtime, so I can't just go to bed.  Otherwise I 
would.  All this said though, my tiredness does not excuse the way I presented 
myself.  It was very distasteful.  Please accept my apology.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Devin Prater   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:27 AM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but my 
goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever you 
direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.

On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Let's get a few things straight.

 

I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

 

If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

 

I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your time 
by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Yuma Decaux   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

Christopher,

 

I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non sequitur 
and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual factual. You 
call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer account 4 days 
ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for violating the NDA and 
yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac OS betas. Now you’re 
going out fascistic and saying that you will report about other people 
downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite honestly, this is 
shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? You got some kind 
of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling us you have that 
power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a bug report? You’re 
going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned 
certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put some who question your 
ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your project he

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

George, this is the final message from you in this last batch I received.  My 
final comment to you is, you need to grow up and act your age!  I'm sorry!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: george b 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 10:27 AM
  Subject: RE: el capitan


  O my I hope you don’t teach them how to write emails

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 06:19
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: el capitan

   

  OK, let me explain.

   

  First off, absolutely not, I do not condone distributing pirated software of 
any company.  That's not what I meant to imply.

   

  As for reporting to Apple, I'd basically just call their toll free Developer 
support line and speak to an Apple Dev advisor about it, and give them the 
information I knew about the individual.  then, if they wish to pursue it any 
further, that's then to their disgression.  All I can do is simply tell them, 
at which point it's then out of my hands.  I've done my part at that point.

   

  As for the strictness thing, let me also explain what I meant by that.  You 
have to understand that I teach professionally how to use Apple products.  It 
would not help my credibility nor my reputation if I wasn't so strict.  Though 
I wouldn't really necessarily report you for pirating software, I wouldn't 
support the act of doing so.  With Apple, it's a little different since I 
actually do this for a job, and now possess an Apple certification.  Might I 
add, it took me lots of hard work to get this, so therefore, I don't want it 
taken away from me, and I'm a bit concerned that frankly, if I didn't report 
it, yet I knew of someone who was breaking the  developer policy, I could get 
in trouble.  It's the whole, if you knew, why didn't you say anything.

   

  So yeah, it's not meant to be... in your words... discriminatory.  I'm sorry 
you took it that way.  I'm honestly not sure why you did, but, yeah.

   

  Chris.

   

- Original Message - 

From: gs 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:06 AM

Subject: Re: el capitan

 

Christopher-Mark - 

Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
violated the law.

 

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.

 

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?

 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 

where you will not "bend this policy."

 

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.

 

 

On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

 

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

 

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

 

Chris.

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Shawn Krasniuk

  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM

  Subject: Re: el capitan

   

  Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
it may have in the future? 

   

  Shawn

  Sent from my White MacBook

   

   

   

On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

 

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.

On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

  Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 

  On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:



Hi Ricardo, 

 

Thanks for confirming. 

 

Looking forward to downloading. 

 

Regards, 

Sadam Ahme

Re: el capitan

[E.T.]

George,
   There comes a time when you need to cut your losses. You cannot get 
thru to some people so just ignore them, or better yet, use your email 
client's filters and save what's left of your fingers.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/14/2015 7:31 AM, george b wrote:

I have 2 sore fingers from hitting the beleate key for this nonsense,
and working on my 3^rd finger.

Where is the moderators?  You notice there is no link to write them off
list at the bottom of these emails

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Devin Prater
*Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 06:27
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: el capitan

I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school
email address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right
about now. Keep that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are
adults and all, but my goodness its not just a few who are on this list,
and its not just whoever you direct your palace at that hears or reads
your words.

On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Let's get a few things straight.

I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you
like me or not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely
nothing and I repeat nothing! wrong with saying that people will
be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing wrong with me stating
that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with me
saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only
to be expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with
asking how to report a bug on the bug reporter, if you can't
figure it out.  I violated nothing in Apple's terms, which I
highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by doing so.
I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate
a web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it
were, it's not like you could do anything with the info I gave.
If you're not a developer, you couldn't even get to that page to
start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have developer access to
start with.

If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did
you even write this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you
don't care, then shove my mails where the sun don't shine, and
grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to get anyone!  Your
comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As for
a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting
things more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to
them.  If they wanted some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that,
but that would be up to them, not me.  All I can do is be the
honest person and report it if I see something.

I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from
you regarding this subject will immediately be ignored, so
honestly, you're wasting your time by thinking I will answer
your messages any further.

Chris.

- Original Message -

*From:*Yuma Decaux 

*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


*Sent:*Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM

*Subject:*Re: el capitan

Christopher,

I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades
and your non sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak
of everything but actual factual. You call yourself a
developer and nagged that you got a developer account 4 days
ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for
violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about
the IOS and the mac OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic
and saying that you will report about other people
downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite
honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you
going to do sincerely? You got some kind of NSA pass to
snoop on other people’s activities and telling us you have
that power when you can’t find a button on an interface to
send a bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and
provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned certain
keywords on this mailing list, and why not put some who
question your ethics, j

Re: Piping sound to another device?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Airport Express has a built-in audio jack that doubles as an optical output.  
Therefore, you can send audio output out of the device either digitally or 
through an analog connection.  In the Airport Utility for the Airport Express, 
there is a tab for Airplay which allows you to set up the device so that iTunes 
can stream music to it.  So, in my case, I set up the Airport Express to extend 
my network, then use an optical connection to connect to a sound bar, thus we 
can sit outside around the fire and have music playing while we roast 
marshmallows and eat smores.  I can even control the volume and skip songs 
using the Remote app on my iPhone while outside.

Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 05:05, Shaf  wrote:

What?
Airport Express is a wireless router, am I right?
So is Airport Extreme but that is an upgraded version?
How can you stream music to a wireless router? Probably a dumb question but 
would really love an answer.

On 6/14/2015 5:11 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If you had either an Airport Express or an Apple TV, this would be very 
> easily accomplished.  You can stream music to both those devices independent 
> of the sound coming through either the internal speakers or the headphone 
> jack.  I, at times, am doing work on my computer and have iTunes music 
> streaming to two different Airport Expresses and one Apple TV simultaneously.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 21:57, Justin Mann  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
> plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
> also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible 
> that I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, 
> and, take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put 
> it through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
> Thanks
> 

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Re: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Chris, absolutely, I regularly back-up and restore VM files to and from 
external media and ILM is fine.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 14/06/2015, at 7:04 pm, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
> Fantastic!  I was admittedly not looking forward to having my keys hanging 
> off my Mac any time I wanted to run both operating systems.
> Has this also been tested with altering the hard disk space, or backing up 
> and restoring the virtual machine to/from external media?
> Related to all of this, I can’t help but wonder why “Remove Authorization” 
> doesn’t actually increment my available authorization count … which is 
> actually probably another question for another thread on another list at 
> another time.
> 
> -C-
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris, there were changes made to JAWS 16 that make it highly tolerant of 
>> VM changes. You can very the RAM, the number of CPUs etc and not lose an 
>> authorisation, so there's really no reason to avoid using ILM if you have it.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 14/06/2015, at 5:04 pm, Chris Meredith >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings.
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an 
>>> ILM authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of 
>>> their authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware 
>>> dongle from a prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a 
>>> widely used operating system whose name is the same as  those panes of 
>>> glass that some of you may look through from time to time.
>>> Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
>>> Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver 
>>> error” from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an 
>>> installed “SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this 
>>> doesn’t exist.  Has anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with 
>>> NVDA, except that there is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.
>>> 
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4 files are missing iLife preview and unavailable on imovie

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

hello again, can somebody help me how to fix this on imovie? 4 files are 
missing iLife preview and unavailable.. i am editing my audio with the use of 
imovie but when i use the content library and click the garage band, i see this 
sign, 4 files are missing iLife preview and unavailable. what would it i be 
missing? i am running mac book pro late 2013

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Re: Dropbox Selective Sync

[Daniela Rubio]

Wooow!
It took ages to do it, thank you for sharing the trick!
I hope Dropbox soon fixes this annoying thing, it is very long process, and we 
can not have control over it!
Well, take care and thanks again!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





> El 14/6/2015, a las 13:18, Shaf  escribió:
> 
> Sure!
> So go to Menu Extras, then vo-space on Dropbox. Go to Settings > Preferences, 
> then go to the Account tab. There you'll find Selective Sync, go into that 
> dialog.
> Now you'll see a Dropbox file explorer. Visually (to a sighted person) there 
> are checkboxes to the left of each folder. But we can't get to those 
> checkboxes, so when you're focused on the folder you want to exclude from 
> syncing to your mac, stop interacting with the browser and don't move your VO 
> cursor anywhere. Tab to another (cancel) button, then tab back to that 
> browser, and when you've tabbed to that browser don't do anything with your 
> VO curser at all. As soon as you here 'browser' or something similar, hit the 
> Space bar and then the Apply button should be undimmed. Hit apply and you've 
> excluded that folder from syncing.
> 
> Note that you can't accessibly tell what's selected and what's not, so you'll 
> have to use trial and error (or move everything you don't want synced into 1 
> folder so it's easier for you.)
> 
> Good luck with this!
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> On 6/14/2015 11:14 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:
>> Hello all!
>> Somebody, some time ago, placed a message on how to do selective since with 
>> Dropbox, but I deleted it accidentally.
>> Can somebody please forward it again or explain the little trick to do it 
>> with VoiceOver?
>> Thanks to all!
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 6/6/2015, a las 13:32, Shaf >> > escribió:
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible way of selecting stuff in Preferences/Selective Sync 
>>> that any of you have tried?
>>> 
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Re: Dropbox Selective Sync

[Shaf]

You're welcome!

On 6/14/2015 5:46 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Wooow!
It took ages to do it, thank you for sharing the trick!
I hope Dropbox soon fixes this annoying thing, it is very long 
process, and we can not have control over it!

Well, take care and thanks again!
Best

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El 14/6/2015, a las 13:18, Shaf > escribió:


Sure!
So go to Menu Extras, then vo-space on Dropbox. Go to Settings > 
Preferences, then go to the Account tab. There you'll find Selective 
Sync, go into that dialog.
Now you'll see a Dropbox file explorer. Visually (to a sighted 
person) there are checkboxes to the left of each folder. But we can't 
get to those checkboxes, so when you're focused on the folder you 
want to exclude from syncing to your mac, stop interacting with the 
browser and don't move your VO cursor anywhere. Tab to another 
(cancel) button, then tab back to that browser, and when you've 
tabbed to that browser don't do anything with your VO curser at all. 
As soon as you here 'browser' or something similar, hit the Space bar 
and then the Apply button should be undimmed. Hit apply and you've 
excluded that folder from syncing.


Note that you can't accessibly tell what's selected and what's not, 
so you'll have to use trial and error (or move everything you don't 
want synced into 1 folder so it's easier for you.)


Good luck with this!


-Shaf
On 6/14/2015 11:14 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Hello all!
Somebody, some time ago, placed a message on how to do selective 
since with Dropbox, but I deleted it accidentally.
Can somebody please forward it again or explain the little trick to 
do it with VoiceOver?

Thanks to all!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





El 6/6/2015, a las 13:32, Shaf > escribió:


Is there an accessible way of selecting stuff in 
Preferences/Selective Sync that any of you have tried?


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Re: JAWS and Dongles and Fusion, Oh My

[Grant]

As Jonathan said, using an ILM key works pretty well in this situation, and if 
you make any changes to your configuration that JAWS doesn't tolerate, you can 
always restore from a backup or snapshot to fix the problem. In fact in that 
sense, it's actually a much better experience than on Windows running as a 
standalone operating system, where I'm sure many of you have experienced 
repairing driver software or something along those lines, then realizing that 
you are now without full use of JAWS until Freedom Scientific can be reached.

However, with that said I'm curious about the Dongle. Can you provide details 
on the error message you are receiving? Is it actually an error message given 
by VMWare Fusion itself, or is Windows giving you an error?

I have seen circumstances where Windows will offer a driver update which, if 
installed, will in fact break functionality with these Dongles until the driver 
is removed. This means your JAWS authorization will not work correctly until 
you get the matter resolved. I think this occurs if you try to connect a Dongle 
before the JAWS setup is finished.

Grant

On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:

Greetings.

I’m trying to get a VM spun up with Fusion and JAWS.  I’m loath to use an ILM 
authorization (I shall leave my editorial comments on what I make of their 
authorization scheme for another time), so I’m using a hardware dongle from a 
prior life wherein I worked on the team that developed a widely used operating 
system whose name is the same as  those panes of glass that some of you may 
look through from time to time.
Unfortunately, instructing Fusion to connect my SafeNet Pro dongle to the 
Windows VM results in several minutes of nothing, followed by a “driver error” 
from Fusion.  The Fusion KB seems to point me in the direction of an installed 
“SentinelSystemDrier.pkg” on the Mac side, except that this doesn’t exist.  Has 
anyone gotten this working?  I’d totally be cool with NVDA, except that there 
is some support lacking with NVDA and Visual Studio.

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Re: el capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, man. 
 You gotta live with that.

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Re: el capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just out of 
curiosity.

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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Or, rather than pirate the thing, sign up to the public beta program which is 
free and anyone with an Apple ID is welcome.
https://beta.apple.com

> On 14 Jun 2015, at 18:53, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
> all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, 
> man.  You gotta live with that.
> 
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> people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use the 
> tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying 
> to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable flood of 
> nonsense.  The computer is your friend.
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Adding a music background to a whole Keynote?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all!
Doe’s somebody know how, or if it is posible to add an audio background to a 
whole presentation, not just to a single slide?
Thanks for the tips!
Best

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you!  I confess I saw this subject line and almost didn't open the 
mail, as I don't need the crap right now, so I'm very heartened to see that 
someone else is actually on my side.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, 
man.  You gotta live with that.


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tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as often 
times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the engineers 
write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, that they need 
more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up having to look at 
the developer documentation to figure out how to do that.  It's not a 
problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and if I don't know how, 
and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug report ticket and ask them to 
talk me step by step through it.  What I like though about the public beta 
bug reporter app is that for one, of corse, it's totally totally accessible, 
but 2, I love how based on the type bug report you tell it you're filing, it 
automatically collects what ever info it needs.  And the things it cannot 
collect automatically, it usually tells you down to almost the exact 
keystroke what to do to make it happen.  So on Apple's part, I must say that 
was, and still is, very impressive!


Chris.

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From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just out 
of curiosity.


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Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures 
from me.


On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, man. 
 You gotta live with that.

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in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying to 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree.

The only reason I paid for the developer program is, I'm working on 
developing an app for my company.  Unfortunately though at this time, I'd 
rather not say more.  It's not so much an NDA thing, it's just I'd hate to 
tell you all more about this app, only then to find that the things I want 
to do with it are not feezable after all.  then, I've wasted you all's time 
getting your hopes up for nothing.  LOL!


This being said, if you don't plan to be deploying anything, or writing any 
code, etc. yourself, then actually I agree here with Chris.  Having a 
developer account may be a bit overkill for your needs.  OK, yes, with the 
dev program, you'll get to try out OSX and I O S the same day as WWDC, but 
there's honestly something to be said about waiting a month or so, and being 
patient.  NO offense intended.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Or, rather than pirate the thing, sign up to the public beta program which 
is free and anyone with an Apple ID is welcome.

https://beta.apple.com


On 14 Jun 2015, at 18:53, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for 
an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.


As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things 
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Re: Adding a music background to a whole Keynote?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know Daniele, I really seriously need to look more at Keynote at some 
point.  I've never really had a need to do any sort of slide presentations, but 
if down the road I get hiered again after being laid off, as a partime youth 
worship music leader, then I may need to explore this possibility, as I'd need 
a way to put the words up on the projector screen at the church.

So, this all being said, if you don't mind me asking, how accessible do you 
find Keynote, as aposed to using JAWS, or NVDA or the like on the Windows side 
of things with Powerpoint?

Actually, now that Office 2016 is quite more accessible in many ways, has 
anyone actually yet tried using PowerPoint with Voiceover?  I seriously! should 
give that a try, and see how it works!  Now you got me curious!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:16 PM
  Subject: Adding a music background to a whole Keynote?


  Hello all!
  Doe’s somebody know how, or if it is posible to add an audio background to a 
whole presentation, not just to a single slide?
  Thanks for the tips!
  Best


  Daniela Rubio T
  iPhone: +34662328507










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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys, I've already taken the necessary steps and reported Shaf.  I also have 
sent e-mail logs plus all e-mail headers to Apple.  Whether they'll do 
anything about it, I can't say one way or another.  I don't know.  It's out 
of my hands at this point.  All I know is that I have alerted Apple of this. 
Unfortunately, as said before, that's really all I can do.  It's now up to 
Apple to take action, if they see it necessary.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I
regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures
from me.

On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for 
an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.


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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta cycle. 
Just saying.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
> developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public beta 
> of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as often times, 
> I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the engineers write me 
> back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, that they need more 
> data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up having to look at the 
> developer documentation to figure out how to do that.  It's not a problem, as 
> I usually am able to get the job done, and if I don't know how, and can't 
> figure it out, I respond to the bug report ticket and ask them to talk me 
> step by step through it.  What I like though about the public beta bug 
> reporter app is that for one, of corse, it's totally totally accessible, but 
> 2, I love how based on the type bug report you tell it you're filing, it 
> automatically collects what ever info it needs.  And the things it cannot 
> collect automatically, it usually tells you down to almost the exact 
> keystroke what to do to make it happen.  So on Apple's part, I must say that 
> was, and still is, very impressive!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
> participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
> built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just out 
> of curiosity.
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chris, there is actually a way to use the bug reporter now on the mac.  It's 
definitely not obvious, and it's a little tricky, but it can be done once 
you know the work around.


If you'd like to write me off list, or add me on Skype, I'd be more than 
happy to talk you step by step through it, if you'd like to ever give it a 
try.


Just let me know.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta cycle. 
Just saying.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as often 
times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the engineers 
write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, that they 
need more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up having to 
look at the developer documentation to figure out how to do that.  It's 
not a problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and if I don't 
know how, and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug report ticket and 
ask them to talk me step by step through it.  What I like though about the 
public beta bug reporter app is that for one, of corse, it's totally 
totally accessible, but 2, I love how based on the type bug report you 
tell it you're filing, it automatically collects what ever info it needs. 
And the things it cannot collect automatically, it usually tells you down 
to almost the exact keystroke what to do to make it happen.  So on Apple's 
part, I must say that was, and still is, very impressive!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just 
out of curiosity.


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Re: el capitan

[Tim Kilburn]

Not to belabour this thread.  Just because one purchases some things, cannot 
justify pirating others.  Driving down the highway obeying the speed limit most 
of the time does not mean that when you speed, it isn't a ticketable offence.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 12:41, Shaf  wrote:

I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I regularly 
upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures from me.

On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
> all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, 
> man.  You gotta live with that.
> 
> As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things from 
> people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use the 
> tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying 
> to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable flood of 
> nonsense.  The computer is your friend.
> 

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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Plus1 this!  Oh wait, that's Google, not Apple.  Oops?  LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Not to belabour this thread.  Just because one purchases some things, cannot 
justify pirating others.  Driving down the highway obeying the speed limit 
most of the time does not mean that when you speed, it isn't a ticketable 
offence.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 12:41, Shaf  wrote:

I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures from 
me.


On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for 
an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.


As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things 
from people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use 
the tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than 
replying to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable 
flood of nonsense.  The computer is your friend.




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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok, I will give it a go, I usually figure out things with time on my Mac, but 
if not, I will just email you off list. Thanks
Chris


> On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris, there is actually a way to use the bug reporter now on the mac.  It's 
> definitely not obvious, and it's a little tricky, but it can be done once you 
> know the work around.
> 
> If you'd like to write me off list, or add me on Skype, I'd be more than 
> happy to talk you step by step through it, if you'd like to ever give it a 
> try.
> 
> Just let me know.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta cycle. 
> Just saying.
>> On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
>> developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
>> beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as often 
>> times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the engineers 
>> write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, that they need 
>> more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up having to look at 
>> the developer documentation to figure out how to do that.  It's not a 
>> problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and if I don't know how, 
>> and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug report ticket and ask them to 
>> talk me step by step through it.  What I like though about the public beta 
>> bug reporter app is that for one, of corse, it's totally totally accessible, 
>> but 2, I love how based on the type bug report you tell it you're filing, it 
>> automatically collects what ever info it needs. And the things it cannot 
>> collect automatically, it usually tells you down to almost the exact 
>> keystroke what to do to make it happen.  So on Apple's part, I must say that 
>> was, and still is, very impressive!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
>> participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
>> built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just out 
>> of curiosity.
>> 
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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

I wouldn't know that, because this will be my first public beta.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 14:33, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I wasn't even aware you could do that on the same Apple ID.  Am I wrong?  I 
> would think if you're a dev, that would take precedence.  Correct me should I 
> be wrong.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> Yeah I know what you mean. I guess it's for comparison.
>> On 14 Jun 2015, at 06:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> To the best of my knowledge, Chris, yes.  This is the first time.  I'm a 
>> little curious though.  Why did you sign up for the public beta, if you're a 
>> dev?  Isn't that somewhat redundant?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta of 
>> iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a good 
>> one. I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as testing goes.
>>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Chris
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's the 
>>> honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows.  Apple is 
>>> usually pretty hush hush about these type things.
>>> 
>>> I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
>>> correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
>>> public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So hang 
>>> tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen so far.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Krysti .Power
>>> To: Mac
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for confirming.
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to downloading.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 They will be available in the public beta program in July.
 
 hth
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
> the public beta program?
> 
> Totally missed the stream.
> 
> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> Certificate IV in International Trade
> 
> Vocational College of Business
> 
> RMIT University
> 
> LinkedIn:
> 
> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/
> 
> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that 
>> Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back 
>> on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I 
>> missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta 
>> test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El 
>> Capitan?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
>>> automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is 
>>> will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
>>> heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
>>> engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
>>> Yosemite I mean.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:
> 
> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
> 
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Re: Can anyone tell me how I go about editing the bio of my Twitter profile using voiceover please?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

when you log into twitter go to settings. you should find an option for your 
profile from there. you don't have a lot of characters so you have to be 
creative. and yes it is easier to edit using one of the clients. like the 
twitter client for iPhone good luck max 


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On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:29 AM, 'Graham' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> Im no expert but couldnt you edit your bio bia one of the numerous twitter 
> clients for mac and ios such as twitterific or tweetings 
> 
> Warm regards 
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:36, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all 
>> 
>> Just a quick question. I'm trying to edit the information/bbio in my Twitter 
>> profile using voiceover. I've tried  it on all 3 of my devices (IPhone, IPad 
>> and Mac) and every time I get to the place where I can edit the text it all 
>> of a sudden seems to become completely inaccessible. Voiceover stops reading 
>> the text in the field I'm editing, so I've  no idea where abouts in the 
>> information I am, so consequently can't delete/amend/type anything 
>> different. My Apple personal ttrainer  spent 35 minutes in my lesson today 
>> trying to do the same thing using voiceover, but with absolutely no joy at 
>> all. 
>> 
>> So does anyone know how I can successfully go about editing  the 
>> information/bio in my Twitter profile using voiceover?? Is it actually 
>> accessible? Or am I always going to have to rely on a sighted person to 
>> change things for me?? 
>> 
>> Any help/information anyone  could  give on this would be most  gratefully 
>> appreciated. My personal trainer has sent  an e-mail to Twitter complaining 
>> about their inaccessibility in this regard. Would encourage anyone  else  
>> who's having this problem to do  the same in the hopes  that Twitter will 
>> listen and improve things for us. 
>> 
>> Eleanor  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Trust me, you, could, be, sued. Apple has the powers to seek an injunction for 
those who violate the NDA. It is very, unlikely, yes, but not worth the risk. 
After all, you pay the $99 to get your hands on beta software, why then go 
through all that trouble? Don't believe us? Look at the agreement set in your 
developer account.
Chris


> On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:37, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take you to 
> court; they're not the RIAA.
> 
> On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
>> torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait 
>> until the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off 
>> the ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that 
>> promoting my business is against list rules.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
>>> software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
>>> developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody 
>>> who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including 
>>> myself) is a waist of your time and your resources.
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Shaf
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:
 Christopher-Mark -
 Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
 that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the   
   operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go 
 about reporting it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I 
 think I know someone who has violated the law.
 
 If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
 vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
 rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
 where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
 issues to Apple.
 
 Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
 statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
 your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean 
 that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than 
 Apple?
  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
 instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
 where you will not "bend this policy."
 
 I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
 through this garbage.
 
 
 On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
 legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, 
 I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is 
 one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any 
 circumstances!
  
 But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
 should be the least! of your worries.
  
 Chris.
  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Shawn Krasniuk
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
> it may have in the future?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
>> free.
>> 
>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
 Hi Ricardo, 
 
 Thanks for confirming. 
 
 Looking forward to downloading. 
 
 Regards, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
 On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hello,
> 
> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
> 
> hth
>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part 
>> of the public beta program? 
>> 
>> Totally missed the stream. 
>> 
>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
>> Australia. 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Certificate IV in International Trade 

Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

This does not justify using torrents to avoid paying for the developer account. 
First, you won’t be able to file bug reports as you will not be registered. 
Second, any torrent download is considered against the law, so you are doing so 
with full responsibility of your action. The public beta will be there next 
month. Patience is a virtue where shortcuts may seem handy.


> On 15/06/2015, at 4:41 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
> regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures from 
> me.
> 
> On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for an 
>> all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is piracy, 
>> man.  You gotta live with that.
>> 
>> As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things from 
>> people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use the 
>> tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying 
>> to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable flood of 
>> nonsense.  The computer is your friend.
>> 
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Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

Shaff,

You need to review your own compass in regards to torrented software. There is 
no support with it, you have no access to related documents, can’t report bugs 
nor will you feel good with something which source you have no idea about. 
Forget the debate here, you won’t get anyone on your side.


> On 15/06/2015, at 5:26 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Trust me, you, could, be, sued. Apple has the powers to seek an injunction 
> for those who violate the NDA. It is very, unlikely, yes, but not worth the 
> risk. After all, you pay the $99 to get your hands on beta software, why then 
> go through all that trouble? Don't believe us? Look at the agreement set in 
> your developer account.
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:37, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take you 
>> to court; they're not the RIAA.
>> 
>> On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>>> Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
>>> torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait 
>>> until the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off 
>>> the ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that 
>>> promoting my business is against list rules.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:
 
 I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
 software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
 developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody 
 who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including 
 myself) is a waist of your time and your resources.
 Good luck.
 
 
 -Shaf
 
 On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:
> Christopher-Mark -
> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the  
>operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go 
> about reporting it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I 
> think I know someone who has violated the law.
> 
> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a 
> discussion where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability 
> to report issues to Apple.
> 
> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean 
> that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other 
> than Apple?
> How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
> where you will not "bend this policy."
> 
> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
> through this garbage.
> 
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, 
> I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is 
> one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any 
> circumstances!
> 
> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
> should be the least! of your worries.
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
>> updates it may have in the future?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
>>> free.
>>> 
>>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
 Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
 On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
> Hi Ricardo, 
> 
> Thanks for confirming. 
> 
> Looking forward to downloading. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> They will be available in the public beta pr

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Basically, when you get to where it asks for the classification, and the 
consistency of the bug you're reporting, switch yourself from dom navigation 
to group navigation.  That's basically the trick.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Ok, I will give it a go, I usually figure out things with time on my Mac, 
but if not, I will just email you off list. Thanks

Chris


On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Chris, there is actually a way to use the bug reporter now on the mac. 
It's definitely not obvious, and it's a little tricky, but it can be done 
once you know the work around.


If you'd like to write me off list, or add me on Skype, I'd be more than 
happy to talk you step by step through it, if you'd like to ever give it a 
try.


Just let me know.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta 
cycle. Just saying.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as 
often times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the 
engineers write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, 
that they need more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up 
having to look at the developer documentation to figure out how to do 
that.  It's not a problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and 
if I don't know how, and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug report 
ticket and ask them to talk me step by step through it.  What I like 
though about the public beta bug reporter app is that for one, of corse, 
it's totally totally accessible, but 2, I love how based on the type bug 
report you tell it you're filing, it automatically collects what ever 
info it needs. And the things it cannot collect automatically, it usually 
tells you down to almost the exact keystroke what to do to make it 
happen.  So on Apple's part, I must say that was, and still is, very 
impressive!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just 
out of curiosity.


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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Apparently you can, Chris.  I wasn't aware of this, but, yeah... I stand 
corrected.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


I wouldn't know that, because this will be my first public beta.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 14:33, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


I wasn't even aware you could do that on the same Apple ID.  Am I wrong? 
I would think if you're a dev, that would take precedence.  Correct me 
should I be wrong.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yeah I know what you mean. I guess it's for comparison.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 06:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


To the best of my knowledge, Chris, yes.  This is the first time.  I'm a 
little curious though.  Why did you sign up for the public beta, if 
you're a dev?  Isn't that somewhat redundant?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Hi all

Is it true that this is the first time ever Apple released a public beta 
of iOS? I mean major iOS releases? If so, this is a step forward, and a 
good one. I have signed up, even though I *am* a developer as far as 
testing goes.

On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:03, Krysti .Power  wrote:

Thank you Chris

On Jun 13, 2015 6:02 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:
I'm not giving you this answer because I'm not supposed to say.  It's 
the honest truth from anyone.  I don't think anyone completely knows. 
Apple is usually pretty hush hush about these type things.


I will! say this though.  They're hoping this fall, if I understand 
correctly.  That however said, I know that this July they'll be doing a 
public beta for anyone, including those who are *not!* developers.  So 
hang tight.  I think you'll be quite impressed, based on what I've seen 
so far.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Krysti .Power
To: Mac
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta

On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:
Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail




On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on 
this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
what about El Capitan?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs  wrote:

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.


On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 wrote:


ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel  wrote:

Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.

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Re: Can anyone tell me how I go about editing the bio of my Twitter profile using voiceover please?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Max,

Can you edit your profile with YoruFukurou by chance?  I confess I haven't ever 
looked to see, as I've never really had a need.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me how I go about editing the bio of my Twitter 
profile using voiceover please?


  when you log into twitter go to settings. you should find an option for your 
profile from there. you don't have a lot of characters so you have to be 
creative. and yes it is easier to edit using one of the clients. like the 
twitter client for iPhone good luck max 



  Maxwell Ivey Jr.


  phone 979-215-1770


  Skype Maxwell Ivey


  twitter @maxwellivey


  as mr. midway


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  email maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com


  as the blind blogger 


  www.theblindblogger.net


  email just...@theblindblogger.net






  On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:29 AM, 'Graham' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi, 

Im no expert but couldnt you edit your bio bia one of the numerous twitter 
clients for mac and ios such as twitterific or tweetings 

Warm regards 

Graham


Sent from my iPad


  On 13 Jun 2015, at 22:36, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:



  Hi all 



  Just a quick question. I'm trying to edit the information/bbio in my 
Twitter profile using voiceover. I've tried  it on all 3 of my devices (IPhone, 
IPad and Mac) and every time I get to the place where I can edit the text it 
all of a sudden seems to become completely inaccessible. Voiceover stops 
reading the text in the field I'm editing, so I've  no idea where abouts in the 
information I am, so consequently can't delete/amend/type anything different. 
My Apple personal ttrainer  spent 35 minutes in my lesson today trying to do 
the same thing using voiceover, but with absolutely no joy at all. 



  So does anyone know how I can successfully go about editing  the 
information/bio in my Twitter profile using voiceover?? Is it actually 
accessible? Or am I always going to have to rely on a sighted person to change 
things for me?? 



  Any help/information anyone  could  give on this would be most  
gratefully appreciated. My personal trainer has sent  an e-mail to Twitter 
complaining about their inaccessibility in this regard. Would encourage anyone  
else  who's having this problem to do  the same in the hopes  that Twitter will 
listen and improve things for us. 



  Eleanor  



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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chris, I highly even doubt Shaf has a developer account to! look at the 
terms.  I obviously don't have a way to definitely confirm this, so I can 
only speculate, but based on that it's said he likes and encourages pirating 
software, it kind a makes me wonder.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Trust me, you, could, be, sued. Apple has the powers to seek an injunction 
for those who violate the NDA. It is very, unlikely, yes, but not worth the 
risk. After all, you pay the $99 to get your hands on beta software, why 
then go through all that trouble? Don't believe us? Look at the agreement 
set in your developer account.

Chris



On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:37, Shaf  wrote:

Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take you 
to court; they're not the RIAA.


On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait 
until the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business 
off the ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know 
that promoting my business is against list rules.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:

I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support 
somebody who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user 
(including myself) is a waist of your time and your resources.

Good luck.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version 
of the operating system and subsequently installed 
it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you can give me is 
truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a 
discussion where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability 
to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not 
bend your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you 
mean that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies 
other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances,

where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of 
wading through this garbage.



On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this. 
Normally, I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, 
however, Apple is one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this 
policy on under any circumstances!


But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
wrote:



Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
 wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia.


Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

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On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  
wrote:


I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found 
out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan proper

Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know,

Uma you did irritate me pretty badly earlier this morning my time, however, 
with regards to this message of your's, I agree with you 100%.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Yuma Decaux" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


This does not justify using torrents to avoid paying for the developer 
account. First, you won’t be able to file bug reports as you will not be 
registered. Second, any torrent download is considered against the law, so 
you are doing so with full responsibility of your action. The public beta 
will be there next month. Patience is a virtue where shortcuts may seem 
handy.




On 15/06/2015, at 4:41 AM, Shaf  wrote:

I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures 
from me.


On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for 
an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.


As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things 
from people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use 
the tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than 
replying to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable 
flood of nonsense.  The computer is your friend.




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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You wrote:

Forget the debate here, you won’t get anyone on your side.

Well, I don't know if I'd go that! far, but that said, I do hear ya, Uma, 
and I do agree entirely.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Yuma Decaux" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Shaff,

You need to review your own compass in regards to torrented software. There 
is no support with it, you have no access to related documents, can’t report 
bugs nor will you feel good with something which source you have no idea 
about. Forget the debate here, you won’t get anyone on your side.



On 15/06/2015, at 5:26 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Trust me, you, could, be, sued. Apple has the powers to seek an injunction 
for those who violate the NDA. It is very, unlikely, yes, but not worth 
the risk. After all, you pay the $99 to get your hands on beta software, 
why then go through all that trouble? Don't believe us? Look at the 
agreement set in your developer account.

Chris



On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:37, Shaf  wrote:

Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take 
you to court; they're not the RIAA.


On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait 
until the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business 
off the ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know 
that promoting my business is against list rules.


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:

I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta 
preview software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to 
support the developers/company for, other than that I have no need to 
support somebody who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent 
user (including myself) is a waist of your time and your resources.

Good luck.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version 
of the operating system and subsequently installed 
it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you can give me is 
truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the law.


If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a 
discussion where you seemed to have some doubts related to your 
ability to report issues to Apple.


Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not 
bend your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do 
you mean that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by 
companies other than Apple?
How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances,

where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of 
wading through this garbage.



On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, 
I'm legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this. 
Normally, I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, 
however, Apple is one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this 
policy on under any circumstances!


But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future?


Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

--



On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  
wrote:



Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth
On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
 wrote:


Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as 
part of the public beta program?


Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia.


Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-

Re: el capitan

[Shaf]

Sure thing.


On 6/14/2015 8:37 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

Shaff,

You need to review your own compass in regards to torrented software. There is 
no support with it, you have no access to related documents, can’t report bugs 
nor will you feel good with something which source you have no idea about. 
Forget the debate here, you won’t get anyone on your side.



On 15/06/2015, at 5:26 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Trust me, you, could, be, sued. Apple has the powers to seek an injunction for 
those who violate the NDA. It is very, unlikely, yes, but not worth the risk. 
After all, you pay the $99 to get your hands on beta software, why then go 
through all that trouble? Don't believe us? Look at the agreement set in your 
developer account.
Chris



On 14 Jun 2015, at 12:37, Shaf  wrote:

Apple aren't going to sue you. They have better things to do than take you to 
court; they're not the RIAA.

On 6/14/2015 12:24 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait until 
the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off the 
ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that promoting 
my business is against list rules.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf  wrote:

I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody who 
is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) is a 
waist of your time and your resources.
Good luck.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the 
operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting 
it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who 
has violated the law.

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your statement 
that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your policy (I 
assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is acceptable 
to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances,
where you will not "bend this policy."

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.


On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm legally 
obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm not so 
prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the very 
few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should be 
the least! of your worries.

Chris.


- Original Message -
From: Shawn Krasniuk
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan

Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
may have in the future?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook




On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf  wrote:

No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.

On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

Does anyone know the release date for the public beta
On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM,  wrote:

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for confirming.

Looking forward to downloading.

Regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

--



On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hello,

They will be available in the public beta program in July.

hth

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:

Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of the 
public beta program?

Totally missed the stream.

It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia.

Sadam Ahmed

Certificate IV in International Trade

Vocational College of Business

RMIT University

LinkedIn:

https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/

Sent using OS X Mail





On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that Alex 
doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting b

Re: el capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Got it. Sounds easy enough.
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Basically, when you get to where it asks for the classification, and the 
> consistency of the bug you're reporting, switch yourself from dom navigation 
> to group navigation.  That's basically the trick.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> Ok, I will give it a go, I usually figure out things with time on my Mac, but 
> if not, I will just email you off list. Thanks
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, there is actually a way to use the bug reporter now on the mac. It's 
>> definitely not obvious, and it's a little tricky, but it can be done once 
>> you know the work around.
>> 
>> If you'd like to write me off list, or add me on Skype, I'd be more than 
>> happy to talk you step by step through it, if you'd like to ever give it a 
>> try.
>> 
>> Just let me know.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>> 
>> 
>> In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta cycle. 
>> Just saying.
>>> On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
>>> developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
>>> beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as often 
>>> times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the engineers 
>>> write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, that they 
>>> need more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up having to 
>>> look at the developer documentation to figure out how to do that.  It's not 
>>> a problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and if I don't know 
>>> how, and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug report ticket and ask 
>>> them to talk me step by step through it.  What I like though about the 
>>> public beta bug reporter app is that for one, of corse, it's totally 
>>> totally accessible, but 2, I love how based on the type bug report you tell 
>>> it you're filing, it automatically collects what ever info it needs. And 
>>> the things it cannot collect automatically, it usually tells you down to 
>>> almost the exact keystroke what to do to make it happen.  So on Apple's 
>>> part, I must say that was, and still is, very impressive!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
>>> participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of the 
>>> built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, just out 
>>> of curiosity.
>>> 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It actually is, once you know the trick.  Thanks to Berry on the list for 
teaching me this little trick.  He deserves the credit, not me.  LOL! 
Smile.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Got it. Sounds easy enough.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Basically, when you get to where it asks for the classification, and the 
consistency of the bug you're reporting, switch yourself from dom 
navigation to group navigation.  That's basically the trick.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Ok, I will give it a go, I usually figure out things with time on my Mac, 
but if not, I will just email you off list. Thanks

Chris


On 14 Jun 2015, at 20:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Chris, there is actually a way to use the bug reporter now on the mac. 
It's definitely not obvious, and it's a little tricky, but it can be done 
once you know the work around.


If you'd like to write me off list, or add me on Skype, I'd be more than 
happy to talk you step by step through it, if you'd like to ever give it 
a try.


Just let me know.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


In that case, anything I do report will be kept till the public beta 
cycle. Just saying.
On 14 Jun 2015, at 19:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I really can't comment on the bug tracker, as far as if it is in the 
developer only seeds, however, I do remember seeing that when the public 
beta of Yosemite was made available.  I thought that was so cool, as 
often times, I submit bug reports through the bug reporter, and  the 
engineers write me back telling me my bug report isn't specific enough, 
that they need more data, like error logs, etc.  Often times, I wind up 
having to look at the developer documentation to figure out how to do 
that.  It's not a problem, as I usually am able to get the job done, and 
if I don't know how, and can't figure it out, I respond to the bug 
report ticket and ask them to talk me step by step through it.  What I 
like though about the public beta bug reporter app is that for one, of 
corse, it's totally totally accessible, but 2, I love how based on the 
type bug report you tell it you're filing, it automatically collects 
what ever info it needs. And the things it cannot collect automatically, 
it usually tells you down to almost the exact keystroke what to do to 
make it happen.  So on Apple's part, I must say that was, and still is, 
very impressive!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


Yes, it is entirely possible to sign up both as a dev and as a beta 
participant.  In fact I think that’s the only way you can make use of 
the built-in feedback assistant.  I did this during the Yosemite beta, 
just out of curiosity.


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tables in pages

[Brooke Jostad]

Hello all,

I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the entire 
contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you have any 
tips for resolving it?
Brooke

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internal mic on MBA

[Phil Halton]

Does the built-in mic on the macbook Air and other laptop models have auto gain 
control? I didn’t see a setting for AGC in the system prefs for sound, but I 
can’t hear a whole lot of difference using a range of mic gain settings?

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Re: internal mic on MBA

[Shaf]

I don't think so. There's probably an app for that though. The only 
thing you can do is control the volume and use noise cancellation.



-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 9:55 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

Does the built-in mic on the macbook Air and other laptop models have auto gain 
control? I didn’t see a setting for AGC in the system prefs for sound, but I 
can’t hear a whole lot of difference using a range of mic gain settings?



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Re: internal mic on MBA

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, I've found the internal mike to be quite good in the MBA models 
I've seen either way.  I'll have to look into it though.  That's a really 
good question.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: internal mic on MBA


I don't think so. There's probably an app for that though. The only
thing you can do is control the volume and use noise cancellation.


-Shaf

On 6/14/2015 9:55 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
Does the built-in mic on the macbook Air and other laptop models have auto 
gain control? I didn’t see a setting for AGC in the system prefs for 
sound, but I can’t hear a whole lot of difference using a range of mic 
gain settings?




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Re: tables in pages

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 then 
click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to move the 
cursor within the specific cell.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:

Hello all,

I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the entire 
contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you have any 
tips for resolving it?
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Re: el capitan

[Yuma Decaux]

> Look, how about you chill out for a bit? This NDA thing has been dragging on 
> for the past 5 or 6 days. We got the point, there’s hella more interesting 
> stuff going on, including outside this mailing list. This is my point. Take 
> it the way you want, it doesn’t matter to me. We’re adults, not magistrates. 
> We’re all trying to share good things, not violate NDAs or download torrents. 

And if you got a sore throat, I got 5 final exams coming up, new tenants at my 
property, an advanced guide dog training session, the apple watch on its way, 
jam sessions and recordings with my mates, a trip to Cambodia to help blind 
kids get skilled at voice over with donated macs, 3 coding projects with two on 
IOS before next semester starts, the list of stressful and exciting stuff goes 
on. So let’s lighten up the load instead of threatening people of all sorts of 
things. And bury this damn hatchet.
And my apologies if I called you a moron.


> On 15/06/2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> You know,
> 
> Uma you did irritate me pretty badly earlier this morning my time, however, 
> with regards to this message of your's, I agree with you 100%.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> 
> This does not justify using torrents to avoid paying for the developer 
> account. First, you won’t be able to file bug reports as you will not be 
> registered. Second, any torrent download is considered against the law, so 
> you are doing so with full responsibility of your action. The public beta 
> will be there next month. Patience is a virtue where shortcuts may seem handy.
> 
> 
>> On 15/06/2015, at 4:41 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
>> regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures from 
>> me.
>> 
>> On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 for 
>>> an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
>>> piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.
>>> 
>>> As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things from 
>>> people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use the 
>>> tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than 
>>> replying to people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable 
>>> flood of nonsense.  The computer is your friend.
>>> 
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Re: el capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No, "moron", was not a name you called me, but I'll accept your apology in 
advance, thank you, and have a delightful day.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Yuma Decaux 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


Look, how about you chill out for a bit? This NDA thing has been dragging 
on for the past 5 or 6 days. We got the point, there’s hella more interesting 
stuff going on, including outside this mailing list. This is my point. Take it 
the way you want, it doesn’t matter to me. We’re adults, not magistrates. We’re 
all trying to share good things, not violate NDAs or download torrents. 


  And if you got a sore throat, I got 5 final exams coming up, new tenants at 
my property, an advanced guide dog training session, the apple watch on its 
way, jam sessions and recordings with my mates, a trip to Cambodia to help 
blind kids get skilled at voice over with donated macs, 3 coding projects with 
two on IOS before next semester starts, the list of stressful and exciting 
stuff goes on. So let’s lighten up the load instead of threatening people of 
all sorts of things. And bury this damn hatchet.

  And my apologies if I called you a moron.




On 15/06/2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


You know,

Uma you did irritate me pretty badly earlier this morning my time, however, 
with regards to this message of your's, I agree with you 100%.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan


This does not justify using torrents to avoid paying for the developer 
account. First, you won’t be able to file bug reports as you will not be 
registered. Second, any torrent download is considered against the law, so you 
are doing so with full responsibility of your action. The public beta will be 
there next month. Patience is a virtue where shortcuts may seem handy.



  On 15/06/2015, at 4:41 AM, Shaf  wrote:

  I'm happy with pirating Apple software; I'm not defrauding them as I 
regularly upgrade my hardware and therefore they get plenty of figures from me.

  On 6/14/2015 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

You spend a lot of money on Apple devices, but you can’t put down $99 
for an all-in-one developer account?  Error: does not compute.  Piracy is 
piracy, man.  You gotta live with that.

As for complaints of list traffic, people who object to reading things 
from people they don’t like should seriously consider learning how to use the 
tools in their operating systems and/or email accounts, rather than replying to 
people they dislike reading from and provoking a predictable flood of nonsense. 
 The computer is your friend.



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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Brent Harding]

The thing with the betas though, don't you have to wipe everything out to 
even install them? I will probably wait until July when the public beta is 
released, if I install the beta at all, but as far as I understood, when you 
load it through iTunes, it is also factory resetting your device. I kind of 
did wonder, as far as Apple Pay goes, if the bank knows when you deleted 
your card, to free up that device slot, if there is a limit on how many you 
can activate?


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


Could be, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  Call me maybe a bit 
picky on samantics, but, whatever.


LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or even 
sue Apple for bricking their devices.
On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Whatever George.

Chris.


- Original Message -
From: george b
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a 
man???


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

Guys,

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on 
the developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go 
back to a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what 
so far I can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying 
this on the basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.


I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my 
mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I 
have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular 
one.  Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what 
they're saying on their web site from what it seems.


1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into 
I O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate 
information which I have verified.


2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous 
version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it 
back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the device 
into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried 
this, and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all 
posted, and let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore 
from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge though, this seems to so 
far be working.


Chris.
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Phil Halton]

Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within the 
app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm sorry 
to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I always take 
a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can get some cited 
assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you can remember to 
wear your position, distance from the computer height of your seat etc. That's 
how I do it.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
> best application to use for this?
> 
> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the top 
> of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but would 
> like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would be 
> appreciated as well.
> 
> Peace,
> Brandon
> 
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

good advice but don't forget someone can help you with setting the camera via 
Skype. they don't have to be in the room with you. my friend robin did that 
with me. we figured out how i should set my laptop whether i was sitting at a 
table in a chair or leaning back. i love quick time. its much more basic. you 
press record and then stop. what i like to do is record several small videos as 
its easier to get them right than recording one long video. then i use the add 
clip feature in the edit menu. when i have all the clips tied together I go to 
files and do an export. then i have one whole movie file. as for youtube i 
record in hd but then i do a second export to 480 p because it doesn't hurt the 
viewer's ability to enjoy the video and it allows for much quicker uploads and 
smoother playing on mobile devices. the window is about 530 380 . hope this 
helps, max 


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On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of your 
> seat etc. That's how I do it.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
>> best application to use for this?
>> 
>> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
>> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
>> top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
>> would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
>> be appreciated as well.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> 
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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[John D. Lipsey]

No, when you install the beta version of iOS anything, it’s just like 
installing a public nonbeta release. You can install it without removing any 
content, as long as you choose to update to, rather than restore to the beta 
version.

The only time you have to erase the device is if you wish to downgrade from the 
beta back to the current publically available version.

Hope that helps.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

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Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 17:17, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The thing with the betas though, don't you have to wipe everything out to 
> even install them? I will probably wait until July when the public beta is 
> released, if I install the beta at all, but as far as I understood, when you 
> load it through iTunes, it is also factory resetting your device. I kind of 
> did wonder, as far as Apple Pay goes, if the bank knows when you deleted your 
> card, to free up that device slot, if there is a limit on how many you can 
> activate?
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
> 
> 
>> Could be, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  Call me maybe a bit 
>> picky on samantics, but, whatever.
>> 
>> LOL!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
>> 
>> 
>> I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or even 
>> sue Apple for bricking their devices.
>>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whatever George.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message -
 From: george b
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
 
 So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a 
 man???
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
 Gilland
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
 
 Guys,
 
 I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on the 
 developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back to 
 a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I 
 can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the 
 basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.
 
 I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my 
 mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I 
 have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one. 
  Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what they're 
 saying on their web site from what it seems.
 
 1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up into I 
 O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate information 
 which I have verified.
 
 2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous 
 version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it 
 back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the device 
 into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried 
 this, and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all 
 posted, and let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore 
 from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge though, this seems to so far 
 be working.
 
 Chris.
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Thanks. I’ve been doing it for a few days now, and I think I got the hang of 
putting it in the right position. People say it’s good so far anyway. :)

Brandon
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of your 
> seat etc. That's how I do it.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
>> best application to use for this?
>> 
>> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
>> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
>> top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
>> would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
>> be appreciated as well.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> 
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Caitlyn Furness]

Do you record from your computer, Phil?

Caitlyn

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of your 
> seat etc. That's how I do it.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
>> best application to use for this?
>> 
>> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
>> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
>> top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
>> would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
>> be appreciated as well.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> 
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Caitlyn Furness]

So, do you guys also use an external mike, like a blue snowball or something, 
or just the internal mike on the mac?

Cait

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:41 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> good advice but don't forget someone can help you with setting the camera via 
> Skype. they don't have to be in the room with you. my friend robin did that 
> with me. we figured out how i should set my laptop whether i was sitting at a 
> table in a chair or leaning back. i love quick time. its much more basic. you 
> press record and then stop. what i like to do is record several small videos 
> as its easier to get them right than recording one long video. then i use the 
> add clip feature in the edit menu. when i have all the clips tied together I 
> go to files and do an export. then i have one whole movie file. as for 
> youtube i record in hd but then i do a second export to 480 p because it 
> doesn't hurt the viewer's ability to enjoy the video and it allows for much 
> quicker uploads and smoother playing on mobile devices. the window is about 
> 530 380 . hope this helps, max 
> 
> 
> Maxwell Ivey Jr.
> 
> phone 979-215-1770
> 
> Skype Maxwell Ivey
> 
> twitter @maxwellivey
> 
> as mr. midway
> 
> www.midwaymarketplace.com 
> 
> email maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com 
> 
> as the blind blogger 
> 
> www.theblindblogger.net 
> 
> email just...@theblindblogger.net 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
> 
>> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
>> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
>> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
>> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
>> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
>> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
>> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of 
>> your seat etc. That's how I do it.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
>>> best application to use for this?
>>> 
>>> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
>>> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
>>> top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
>>> would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
>>> be appreciated as well.
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Brandon A. Olivares]

My earphones have a built-in mic which is of sufficient quality for what I’m 
doing.
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> So, do you guys also use an external mike, like a blue snowball or something, 
> or just the internal mike on the mac?
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:41 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> good advice but don't forget someone can help you with setting the camera 
>> via Skype. they don't have to be in the room with you. my friend robin did 
>> that with me. we figured out how i should set my laptop whether i was 
>> sitting at a table in a chair or leaning back. i love quick time. its much 
>> more basic. you press record and then stop. what i like to do is record 
>> several small videos as its easier to get them right than recording one long 
>> video. then i use the add clip feature in the edit menu. when i have all the 
>> clips tied together I go to files and do an export. then i have one whole 
>> movie file. as for youtube i record in hd but then i do a second export to 
>> 480 p because it doesn't hurt the viewer's ability to enjoy the video and it 
>> allows for much quicker uploads and smoother playing on mobile devices. the 
>> window is about 530 380 . hope this helps, max 
>> 
>> 
>> Maxwell Ivey Jr.
>> 
>> phone 979-215-1770
>> 
>> Skype Maxwell Ivey
>> 
>> twitter @maxwellivey
>> 
>> as mr. midway
>> 
>> www.midwaymarketplace.com 
>> 
>> email maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com 
>> 
>> as the blind blogger 
>> 
>> www.theblindblogger.net 
>> 
>> email just...@theblindblogger.net 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> 
>>> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
>>> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
>>> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
>>> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
>>> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
>>> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
>>> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of 
>>> your seat etc. That's how I do it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
 best application to use for this?
 
 Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
 independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
 top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
 would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
 be appreciated as well.
 
 Peace,
 Brandon
 
 
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Phil Halton]

Yes I do, I use my MacBook air for the camera, and I have an external snowball 
blue Snowball microphone.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you record from your computer, Phil?
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Brandon, currently I'm using the built in QuickTime app to do all my video 
>> recording. You can then just upload the video clips to YouTube from within 
>> the app if you desire. As far as an auto position and you in the frame, I'm 
>> sorry to say you can forget about that. I have a little bit of site and I 
>> always take a few test shots to see if I'm in the frame or not. If you can 
>> get some cited assistance they can help you get in the frame, and then you 
>> can remember to wear your position, distance from the computer height of 
>> your seat etc. That's how I do it.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> A few questions. I’d like to record video to upload to Youtube. What’s the 
>>> best application to use for this?
>>> 
>>> Secondly, on a more practical note, is there a way I can do this 
>>> independently, and yet make sure it’s capturing my face, and not like the 
>>> top of my head or something? I know it won’t be perfect, being blind, but 
>>> would like to make it as good as possible. Any other recommendations would 
>>> be appreciated as well.
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Brent Harding]

Oh, I see. I thought you had to use the restore option in iTunes to get it 
on there.
- Original Message - 
From: "John D. Lipsey" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


No, when you install the beta version of iOS anything, it’s just like 
installing a public nonbeta release. You can install it without removing any 
content, as long as you choose to update to, rather than restore to the beta 
version.


The only time you have to erase the device is if you wish to downgrade from 
the beta back to the current publically available version.


Hope that helps.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL


On Jun 14, 2015, at 17:17, Brent Harding  wrote:

The thing with the betas though, don't you have to wipe everything out to 
even install them? I will probably wait until July when the public beta is 
released, if I install the beta at all, but as far as I understood, when 
you load it through iTunes, it is also factory resetting your device. I 
kind of did wonder, as far as Apple Pay goes, if the bank knows when you 
deleted your card, to free up that device slot, if there is a limit on how 
many you can activate?


- Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


Could be, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  Call me maybe a bit 
picky on samantics, but, whatever.


LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.


I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or 
even sue Apple for bricking their devices.
On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Whatever George.

Chris.


- Original Message -
From: george b
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a 
man???


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

Guys,

I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on 
the developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go 
back to a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what 
so far I can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying 
this on the basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.


I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my 
mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I 
have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular 
one.  Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what 
they're saying on their web site from what it seems.


1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up 
into I O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate 
information which I have verified.


2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous 
version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get 
it back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the 
device into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I 
tried this, and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you 
all posted, and let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and 
restore from my backup.  To the best of my knowledge though, this seems 
to so far be working.


Chris.
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Re: tables in pages

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Maybe I missed something, but I don't have to do any mouse clicks within table 
cells. At least in pages, if I press the enter key it goes into edit mode and I 
can use Macintosh keyboard commands to remove around within the cell. I found 
this doesn't work and numbers because in numbers it goes down to the next cell. 
But I'm pages I have been having luck doing that.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 
> then click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to 
> move the cursor within the specific cell.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
> tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
> hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the 
> entire contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you 
> have any tips for resolving it?
> Brooke
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Re: Piping sound to another device?

[John's Gmail]

I do at least one disc Jackie job a year and use voice over as my only access 
to the computer. Of course I don't want voiceover going out over the PA with 
the music. I purchased A USB sound adapter that I use for voice over and use 
the soundcard on the computer for the music. I plug the USB adapter into one of 
the USB ports and my earphones into it. I go to The voiceover utility and in 
sound I choose the USB soundcard as my output device. Now just the music goes 
out to computer port I run a cable from the earphone jack to the amplifier that 
I use for blasting the dance floor. I got the USB sound adapter from Amazon for 
six bucks.
John Harden
Quality Brailler Repair LLC

For professional Perkins Braille Writer repair.
 
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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
> plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
> also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible 
> that I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, 
> and, take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put 
> it through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
> Thanks
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Re: tables in pages

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Gigi,

Cool.  Thanks for that suggestion.  You can use option-return in Numbers to 
edit the contents of a cell, then arrows if needed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 19:23, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi there
Maybe I missed something, but I don't have to do any mouse clicks within table 
cells. At least in pages, if I press the enter key it goes into edit mode and I 
can use Macintosh keyboard commands to remove around within the cell. I found 
this doesn't work and numbers because in numbers it goes down to the next cell. 
But I'm pages I have been having luck doing that.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 
> then click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to 
> move the cursor within the specific cell.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
> tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
> hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the 
> entire contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you 
> have any tips for resolving it?
> Brooke
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Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

[Chris Meredith]

I can't confirm whether or not there is a limit on the number of cards you
can activate, but when I upgraded my phone to an iOS beta build, I did get
a ping from Capital One letting me know that my card was removed from Apple
Pay--so clearly there is some communication that happens there.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:

> The thing with the betas though, don't you have to wipe everything out to
> even install them? I will probably wait until July when the public beta is
> released, if I install the beta at all, but as far as I understood, when
> you load it through iTunes, it is also factory resetting your device. I
> kind of did wonder, as far as Apple Pay goes, if the bank knows when you
> deleted your card, to free up that device slot, if there is a limit on how
> many you can activate?
>
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <
> clgillan...@gmail.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
>
>
>  Could be, but I still think it's a bit misleading.  Call me maybe a bit
>> picky on samantics, but, whatever.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" <
>> challswor...@icloud.com>
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.
>>
>>
>> I think Apple is covering their backs so developers can't complain or
>> even sue Apple for bricking their devices.
>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whatever George.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
 From: george b
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

 So why do you have to ust that language does it make you some kind of a
 man???

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 04:54
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Bull crap about I O S 9, and no, I'm not breaking NDA.

 Guys,

 I just wanted to clear up some miscommunication by Apple.  They say on
 the developer web site that once you upgrade to I O S 9, you cannot go back
 to a previous version, like 8.3.  That's utter bullshit from what so far I
 can see.  Now, I wanna make this very very clear.  I am saying this on the
 basis of! from what I so? far! can see!  Keep that in mind.

 I have an I O S device which I did update to I O S 9.  I've changed my
 mind, and now am deciding not to deploy it to I O S 9 after all.  OK, I
 have a device I will! be keeping on I O S 9, just not this particular one.
 Anyway, the point is, they are only partially right in what they're saying
 on their web site from what it seems.

 1.  If you try to downgrade while your device is normally booted up
 into I O S 9, then no.  It won't work.  That is factually accurate
 information which I have verified.

 2.  If, however Apple has not stopped digitally signing the previous
 version of I O S, which of corse, 8.3, they haven't, then you can get it
 back as long as before you restore the device, you first get the device
 into DFU mode, just as you did when you upgraded to I O S 9.  I tried this,
 and I O S 8.3 definitely now is downloading.  I'll keep you all posted, and
 let you all know if I'm able to flash it back, and restore from my backup.
 To the best of my knowledge though, this seems to so far be working.

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Re: tables in pages

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Cool! I didn't know that either. I have been using control option space to do 
it but I think your way  is better.
Gigi

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> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gigi,
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for that suggestion.  You can use option-return in Numbers to 
> edit the contents of a cell, then arrows if needed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 19:23, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Maybe I missed something, but I don't have to do any mouse clicks within 
> table cells. At least in pages, if I press the enter key it goes into edit 
> mode and I can use Macintosh keyboard commands to remove around within the 
> cell. I found this doesn't work and numbers because in numbers it goes down 
> to the next cell. But I'm pages I have been having luck doing that.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 
>> then click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to 
>> move the cursor within the specific cell.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
>> tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
>> hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the 
>> entire contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you 
>> have any tips for resolving it?
>> Brooke
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Re: tables in pages

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again
I forgot to say that if you use this method with the enter key, you have to 
press the tab key to get out of your cell at a time. If you try anything else 
and just bang it she's refused to go anywhere.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gigi,
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for that suggestion.  You can use option-return in Numbers to 
> edit the contents of a cell, then arrows if needed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 19:23, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Maybe I missed something, but I don't have to do any mouse clicks within 
> table cells. At least in pages, if I press the enter key it goes into edit 
> mode and I can use Macintosh keyboard commands to remove around within the 
> cell. I found this doesn't work and numbers because in numbers it goes down 
> to the next cell. But I'm pages I have been having luck doing that.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 
>> then click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to 
>> move the cursor within the specific cell.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
>> tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
>> hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the 
>> entire contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you 
>> have any tips for resolving it?
>> Brooke
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

I use imovie to record my video and i use apogee1 external microphone. I do 
have a question though, how can i edit my echo of my video using garage band? 
there's a project extra side bar on imovie that can insert transitions, sound 
effects, itunes, and garage band but when i select the garage band, there's a 
message appearing ^4 files are missing iLife preview and unavailable^ what was 
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Re: tables in pages

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Sometimes if you arrow too far, it will take you out of the cell as well.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2015, at 20:41, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi again
I forgot to say that if you use this method with the enter key, you have to 
press the tab key to get out of your cell at a time. If you try anything else 
and just bang it she's refused to go anywhere.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gigi,
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for that suggestion.  You can use option-return in Numbers to 
> edit the contents of a cell, then arrows if needed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 19:23, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Maybe I missed something, but I don't have to do any mouse clicks within 
> table cells. At least in pages, if I press the enter key it goes into edit 
> mode and I can use Macintosh keyboard commands to remove around within the 
> cell. I found this doesn't work and numbers because in numbers it goes down 
> to the next cell. But I'm pages I have been having luck doing that.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in the table, try bringing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5 
>> then click the physical mouse or Trackpad.  You can then use arrow keys to 
>> move the cursor within the specific cell.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 14:37, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone has any feedback for editing contents in extensive 
>> tables using Pages. Once I have already entered text into a cell, it is very 
>> hit and miss whether I am able to edit that text without it deleting the 
>> entire contents of that cell. Has anyone encountered this issue, and do you 
>> have any tips for resolving it?
>> Brooke
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Re: Piping sound to another device?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Sounds nice.  Exactly which sound adapter did you get?

Saw a few there but not sure whitch one.

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> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:30 PM, John's Gmail  wrote:
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> I do at least one disc Jackie job a year and use voice over as my only access 
> to the computer. Of course I don't want voiceover going out over the PA with 
> the music. I purchased A USB sound adapter that I use for voice over and use 
> the soundcard on the computer for the music. I plug the USB adapter into one 
> of the USB ports and my earphones into it. I go to The voiceover utility and 
> in sound I choose the USB soundcard as my output device. Now just the music 
> goes out to computer port I run a cable from the earphone jack to the 
> amplifier that I use for blasting the dance floor. I got the USB sound 
> adapter from Amazon for six bucks.
> John Harden
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> For professional Perkins Braille Writer repair.
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>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Justin Mann > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I’ve got an 11 Inch Mid 2013 Macbook air, and I’ve got a set of speakers 
>> plugged in to the headphone jack that I normally use for computer sound.  I 
>> also have a very nice hi-fi receiver that I’d like to use.  Is it possible 
>> that I would be able to pipe the voiceover sound though the headphone port, 
>> and, take all the other computer sound effects, streaming music etc, and put 
>> it through my receiver?  It does have a bluetooth connection.
>> Thanks
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Re: Taking Video for Youtube

[Ray Foret Jr]

You use iMovie?  Do you use the latest version?  CAn you move backward and 
forward through a video and place and move to markers and cut stuff out and so 
on?  If so, would you mind terribly contacting me off list or else you can here 
answer?

I have looked at the help on iMovie and it sure doesn't seem to helpful.

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> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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> I use imovie to record my video and i use apogee1 external microphone. I do 
> have a question though, how can i edit my echo of my video using garage band? 
> there's a project extra side bar on imovie that can insert transitions, sound 
> effects, itunes, and garage band but when i select the garage band, there's a 
> message appearing ^4 files are missing iLife preview and unavailable^ what 
> was this?? thanks
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