That's heartening to know that at least someone agrees, for once in a lifetime.

Thanks.  Smile.

Chris.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait until 
the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off the 
ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that promoting 
my business is against list rules.


  Shawn
  Sent from my White MacBook






    On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote:


    I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody who 
is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) is a 
waist of your time and your resources.
    Good luck.


    -Shaf


    On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:

      Christopher-Mark - 
      Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
violated the law.


      If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


      Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
       How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
      where you will not "bend this policy."


      I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.




      On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


      I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the 
very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

      But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

      Chris.

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Shawn Krasniuk
        To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
        Subject: Re: el capitan


        Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future? 


        Shawn
        Sent from my White MacBook






          On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote:


          No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for 
free.


          On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

            Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
            On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, <sadamahmed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

              Hi Ricardo, 


              Thanks for confirming. 


              Looking forward to downloading. 


              Regards, 

              Sadam Ahmed  


              Sent from my iPhone  


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              On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


                Hello,

                They will be available in the public beta program in July.

                hth

                  On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
<sadamahmed1...@gmail.com> wrote:



                  Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download 
as part of the public beta program? 



                  Totally missed the stream. 



                  It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in 
Australia. 



                  Sadam Ahmed 



                  Certificate IV in International Trade 



                  Vocational College of Business 



                  RMIT University 



                  LinkedIn: 



                  https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 



                  
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



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                    On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk 
<bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:



                    I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I 
found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test 
it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



                    Shawn

                    Sent from my White MacBook







                      On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> 
wrote:



                      The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El 
Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



                      On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
<bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:



                      Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the 
El Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or 
something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



                      Shawn

                      Sent from my White MacBook







                        On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
<dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:



                        ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)

                          On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel 
<topdog2...@gmail.com> wrote:



                          Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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