I think there’s a serious issue in this list. Some people don’t understand what a torrent is, and the responsibilities one must have in wording such things as saying that they would preffer downloading torrents from companies they don’t like. I don’t even know the last time I downloaded a torrent since all my books, services and media come from streaming ones such as spotify, netflix or audible. This is one.
Second, there’s an issue with members who are way out of line, flooding our mailboxes with hundreds of their mails every day. This is Christopher Mark Giland. Throwing very specific insults and threats of all kinds, galvanising certain opinions such as on torrents, then imputing threats at these members, rather than talk that memeber rationally about the misuse of illegal software. This is second. > Third, there are no limits to what one can say or believe themselves to be in > a mailing list, such that their person is projected in a virtual community, > meaning there seems no impunity as to how one can be treated. Again, this > Christopher Mark Giland has shown troll like behaviour. yes, you Christopher. > Who asks for forgiveness than goes back to bashing around and saying > irrelevant things. If you are happy you were able to install an application > or tool, write it on a blog. I pointed out to this person that he pretended > to be a developer with Apple when he has just paid for the membership to > download beta software. Also pretending to be an apple tech help specialist, > bashes the company over at least 5 mails before calming down and moving on > while asking other members help on how to get a bug report out. So clearly, > this individual is not a developer, has purchased a membership for beta > testing, talks about his experiences over days and waves the NDA axe over all > who happen to get information from third parties, threatening people with > phone calls to Apple, reports and whatever other procedure this individual > wishes to entertain for reasons which personally, am confused about. This > madman feels like some kind of robocop going or pouring over every mail and > replying, even replying to himself over 3 mails to proove some very strange > point. this is standard trolling behaviour. I know, I lived the IRC channel > days and flooders like him tend to think they are super stars. So for this purpose, I will not enter into this tirade like attitude a few members have and move on with some better, more informative mailing lists. For the veterans, take care and good luck with the rest > > On 14/06/2015, at 11:27 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email > address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep > that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but > my goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever > you direct your palace at that hears or reads your words. >> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com >> <mailto:blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is something to be said for having a civil tongue. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com >> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Let's get a few things straight. >>> >>> I really don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or >>> not. I didn't break NDA. There is absolutely nothing and I repeat >>> nothing! wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS. There >>> is nothing wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9. there is >>> nothing wrong with me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as >>> that's only to be expected. Further, there was nothing I see wrong with >>> asking how to report a bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out. >>> I violated nothing in Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, >>> all things considered, by doing so. I leaked no information by asking >>> such. Asking how to navigate a web site isn't against their policy. >>> Besides, even if it were, it's not like you could do anything with the info >>> I gave. If you're not a developer, you couldn't even get to that page to >>> start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have developer access to start with. >>> >>> If you really don't care, then why in god's living hell! did you even >>> write this on list? Or, off... for that mind. If you don't care, then >>> shove my mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up! I'm >>> not out to get anyone! Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely >>> childish! As for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about >>> reporting things more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them. >>> If they wanted some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be >>> up to them, not me. All I can do is be the honest person and report it if >>> I see something. >>> >>> I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding >>> this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your >>> time by thinking I will answer your messages any further. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Yuma Decaux <mailto:jamy...@gmail.com> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: el capitan >>> >>> Christopher, >>> >>> I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non >>> sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual >>> factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer >>> account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for >>> violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the >>> mac OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will >>> report about other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up >>> and quite honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to >>> do sincerely? You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s >>> activities and telling us you have that power when you can’t find a button >>> on an interface to send a bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and >>> provide them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned certain keywords on >>> this mailing list, and why not put some who question your ethics, just cuz >>> they pissed you off? What’s your project here, what’s your goal? Do I >>> really care? No, I actually care more about talking tech, not tech support. >>> Future observations, not recycled transmission. and not receiving this kind >>> of stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Christopher-Mark - >>>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information >>>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating >>>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? >>>> Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone >>>> who has violated the law. >>>> >>>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the >>>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a >>>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion >>>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report >>>> issues to Apple. >>>> >>>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your >>>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend >>>> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean >>>> that it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than >>>> Apple? >>>> How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite >>>> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, >>>> where you will not "bend this policy." >>>> >>>> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading >>>> through this garbage. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm >>>> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this. Normally, >>>> I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is >>>> one of the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any >>>> circumstances! >>>> >>>> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates >>>> should be the least! of your worries. >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: el capitan >>>>> >>>>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates >>>>> it may have in the future? >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> Sent from my White MacBook >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:shafpa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for >>>>>> free. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote: >>>>>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta >>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, <sadamahmed1...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Ricardo, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for confirming. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to downloading. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hth >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed <sadamahmed1...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part >>>>>>>>>> of the public beta program? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Totally missed the stream. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like 3 AM in >>>>>>>>>> Australia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Certificate IV in International Trade >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vocational College of Business >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RMIT University >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ >>>>>>>>>> <https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out >>>>>>>>>>> that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But >>>>>>>>>>> getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on >>>>>>>>>>> this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public >>>>>>>>>>> will be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in >>>>>>>>>>> July but what about El Capitan? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan >>>>>>>>>>>> will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan >>>>>>>>>>>> beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main >>>>>>>>>>>> concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? >>>>>>>>>>>> From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an >>>>>>>>>>>> advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the >>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera >>>>>>>>>>>>> <dionip...@gmail.com <mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel <topdog2...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:topdog2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably so. 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