Well, Chris G has a valid point. I'd hate it if Apple found out that I 
torrented my beta software and I got sued for it. I think I'll just wait until 
the public beta comes or if I can get my Apple Tutoring business off the 
ground, I'll buy a developer account. Anyway I'll stop as I know that promoting 
my business is against list rules.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I paid a lot of money for my Apple devices. I'll torrent my beta preview 
> software if I like, thanks. I paid for apps that I want to support the 
> developers/company for, other than that I have no need to support somebody 
> who is already well 'funded'. Reporting every torrent user (including myself) 
> is a waist of your time and your resources.
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> 
> On 6/14/2015 6:06 AM, gs wrote:
>> Christopher-Mark -
>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
>> help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
>> violated the law.
>> 
>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
>> issues to Apple.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
>> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that 
>> it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
>>  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
>> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
>> where you will not "bend this policy."
>> 
>> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
>> through this garbage.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
>> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
>> not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of 
>> the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any 
>> circumstances!
>>  
>> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should 
>> be the least! of your worries.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
>>> it may have in the future?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:shafpa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, <sadamahmed1...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ricardo, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for confirming. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hth
>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed <sadamahmed1...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
>>>>>>>> the public beta program? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Totally missed the stream. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Certificate IV in International Trade 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Vocational College of Business 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> RMIT University 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>>>>>>>> <https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> <https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/>
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
>>>>>>>>> that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
>>>>>>>>> getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on 
>>>>>>>>> this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
>>>>>>>>> be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
>>>>>>>>> what about El Capitan?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>>>>>>>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
>>>>>>>>>> beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
>>>>>>>>>> concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? 
>>>>>>>>>> From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an 
>>>>>>>>>> advanced graphics engine or something like that. So is this the end 
>>>>>>>>>> of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>>>>>>>>> <dionip...@gmail.com <mailto:dionip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel <topdog2...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:topdog2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
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