Re: Sending a card to multiple addresses

[Andrew Lamanche]

just to add to what Alex has said, you don't have to add cards to a group 
individually.  You can interact with the table of contacts and use the select 
method.  Use vo+up or down arrow to go through the list of your contacts. Once 
you've found the one you want to add to group, press vo+command+enter key to 
select it or deselect it.  Voiceover will tell you how many selections you have 
each time you add another contact.  This is a good method because in this way 
you can select non-consecutive contacts.  Once you've selected all the cards 
you want, press vo+shift+m to call up contextual menu and choose add to group. 
which you will have previously created.

Hope this helps.

Andrew
> On 15 Dec 2014, at 00:07, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I misunderstood your intent. Open up the Contacts app and create a new 
> group (I think the shortcut is cmd-shift-n, but I'm no sure). Now give the 
> group a name, and press enter. Finally, go to the All Contacts group in the 
> groups table which you should already be in, and start finding the contacts 
> you want in your group. When you find one, copy it with cmd-c, move to the 
> groups table, move down to your new group, and paste with cmd-v. 
> Alternatively, find the contact, vo-shift-m, and choose "add to group" (I 
> believe this option is still present, though I could be wrong).
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Angus MacKinnon > > wrote:
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> Thank you. Although My memory is good I can not remember all the 269 
>> contacts. I am aware of adding one person at atime. Lets say I wish to do 
>> all A’s, b’s and etc. but can not remember everyone.
>> 
>> Angus MacKinnon
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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[Cheryl Homiak]

I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a factor, 
but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it is Yosemite 
that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not Mavericks. So I 
don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow a Yosemite install 
but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may have been when you 
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On Dec 14, 2014, at 1:46 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

A pleasure re the Podcasts - we I am no expert but hope that sharing what I 
have learnt is helpful.  

I had completely forgotten about system report so thanks for reminding me.
I have just gone to system report and of course everything under Audio now is 
absolutely fine but your suggestion of sending a screen dump the next time it 
happens is a good one.
Actually taking a snapshot  whilst everything is in good health may be  a  good 
 idea for comparison sake if it happens again.

David Griffith


> On 14 Dec 2014, at 17:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> My sympathies with you that must be annoying. You mentioned System Prefs. I 
> wondered if you knew about the system report button in "About this Mac”?
> Hopefully, it doesn’t happen again but a screen dump of the audio devices 
> might be useful to some of the Apple forums. (Shift + Command + 3).
> 
> May I take this opportunity to thank you for the instructional walk through 
> mp3 files you have provided the community. Very good work and much 
> appreciated.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2014, at 17:16, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello thanks for the feedback.
>> The reason I lose sound in the 3.5mm jack is a bit of a mystery. It is the 
>> second time this has happened and only a re-install resolves the issue. If 
>> you go into system preferences and consult the output tab the device has 
>> completely disappeared  with only internal speaker showing as a device. It 
>> is almost as if the Mac has forgotten that it has the audio outputs.
>> I have no special drivers to redirect output like sound  Flower so I do not 
>> think there is anything my apps have done to settings which would cause 
>> this. Anyway it is not as if an output device has been disabled, it has 
>> actually completely disappeared with the Mac not being aware of it for some 
>> reason. If anybody knows of a way to force the Mac to look for Hardware 
>> again and re- recognise its own hardware I would be glad to hear.
>> As soon as I am in Recovery Console sound returns to the audio ports so it 
>> is clearly something being screwed up by the OS.
>> The last time this happened was when I was running Lion so this is not, 
>> hopefully, going to be a frequent issue.
>> 
>> The other weirdness in Yosemite sound is that occasionally for no apparent 
>> reason the balance gets shifted away from 50% to something like 77%. I have 
>> seen others report this as well. This can be easily rectified in system 
>> preferences but why it should happen in the first place is a bit of a 
>> mystery also.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> On 14/12/2014 09:03, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello David,
>>> 
>>> First, let me say that I am so sorry you had to go through all of that just 
>>> to get back up and running.
>>> 
>>> Second, I am wondering why you lost sound in your 3.5 earphone/microphone 
>>> jack.  If you don't track down the cause, or at least an easier solution, 
>>> you may have to deal with such an issue in the future.
>>> 
>>> I'm curious:  did you check your audio output settings in system 
>>> preferences or in the application-specific preferences before resorting to 
>>> reinstalling the OS?  I'm almost certain you did but just wanted to ask.
>>> 
>>> A month or so ago, I removed and reinstalled several versions of Audio 
>>> Highjack Pro.  A couple of days ago, I was helping a friend test Skype and 
>>> discovered that, while the built-in microphone worked, when I plugged in my 
>>> Apple wired headset, she could not hear my voice.  As it turned out, I 
>>> discovered in Skype Preferences that one of my audio settings had been 
>>> switched to Sound Flower.  Thinking back, I do remember experimenting with 
>>> Sound Flower back when I was working with Audio Hijack Pro.  I was so glad 
>>> I first checked the audio settings in Skype before uninstalling the 
>>> application.
>>> 
>>> As for the recovery partition:
>>> 
>>> A couple of months ago, I purchased a 13 inch, mid-2014, MacBook Pro with 
>>> Retina display.  The machine came with Maverick.
>>> 
>>> I subsequently updated it to Yosemite.  Before making a Yosemite install 
>>> USB Drive, I had need to re-install Yosemite using the Recovery partition.
>>> 
>>> Upon using the startup key combo of Command+R, and of course starting 
>>>

Re: Pages Formatting

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Sarai,

If you need to use Pages seriously, you should take a course in how to use it. 
I don’t know whether anyone else offers this, but my husband and I teach a 
five-part course on Pages via Skype and TeamViewer. It costs €25 per unit 
making the whole course cost €125.

If you’re interested, e-mail me at:
educat...@cecimac.org 

I’m in France so the time difference has to be taken into account.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 15 Dec 2014, at 01:35, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> So what can I do? I’m having a sighted person help me make a resume on a 
> Windows machine. I couldn’t figure how to do formatting on Pages such as 
> bulets, and spacing.
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:

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Re: other lists?

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks much!
I thought I had resubbed with the new address.. Must be the google gremlins 
again!
Cait

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> The address changed. Try:
> peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does anybody know what happened to the peel the apple group?
>> 
>> If anyone knows, I’d be interested.  Tried to join and can’t find it 
>> anymore..
>> thanks!
>> Cait
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RE: yosemite advice

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jeff,

During the installation process, depending upon many factors, VoiceOver may not 
place focus at the top/beginning of some dialog boxes.  Take your time and read 
each dialog box carefully.  

One dialog box that you will definitely want to pay particular attention to is 
the one that offers you the opportunity to encrypt your hard drive using file 
vault.  If memory serves, the default choice for this is Yes.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

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Subject: yosemite advice

Hi, ok I downloaded Yosemite today and made a boot/install drive. I will 
install Yosemite tomorrow. Was wondering if anyone on the list has any advice? 
Also, I know it asks you to setup iCloud drive. I’ve never used iCloud for 
anything so don’t really need this feature. Do I have to setup iCloud drive?
Thanks, Jeff

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RE: Hiding the Gmail all folder

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jessica, et al:  

Without getting into the specifics, which would take a novella to fully 
explain, in my opinion, I strongly, strongly urge you not to hide the gMail All 
Mail folder.  Doing so may, and most likely will, cause Yosemite Mail problems. 
 

Having the All Mail folder being displayed causes absolutely no loss of space, 
as it were.

Mark

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Subject: Re: Hiding the Gmail all folder

I'd love to know that too actually, I didn't know there was an option to do 
that, and that folder to me is a space waster sense I never use it.
On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>  I think you have to disable the folder.  They keep changing the interface, 
> so I have not done it in a while.  Hopefully, someone can provide better 
> instructions than I.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Tel, (631) 724-4479
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I didn’t see this option under Gmail settings. I looked!
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:45 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the only way you can do this is by logging into your gmail account 
>>> through the web interface and going into settings to disable that folder.  
>>> I don't think it can be done on the Mac or PC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Is there a way to hide the gmail’s all folder using Yosemite and the Mail 
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Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
I am using fine reader pro and after I import pages from my scanner, I can not 
see the converted document, do you know what I am doing wrong? Where do the 
converted document go?
Thanks!

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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[David Griffith]

There is some discussion of this problem on
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6638906
where people running Yosemite 2013 machines are still getting Mavericks 
Recovery Console.
There is no official resolution except that someone at the bottom of the 
page says that donwloading Yosemite again and reinstalling it then 
removed the Mavericks Recovery  Partition.


For the time being though I will take the approach of if it anin'si not 
broken do not try to fix it.


David Griffithdespite
On 15/12/2014 08:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a factor, 
but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it is Yosemite 
that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not Mavericks. So I 
don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow a Yosemite install 
but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may have been when you 
attempted this.



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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[Cheryl Homiak]

My iMac shows as a late 2012.
I also may have a theory/solution re: the headphone jack. The other day I 
couldn't get bluetooth sound with my jam xt bluetooth speaker though it would 
control iTunes so I knew it was paired. I thought nothing of it since I saw 
other posts of people saying they couldn't get sound on the Mac with this 
speaker but it had worked for me before. Yesterday evening I discovered that no 
headphones I had would work either though when I took the headphones out sound 
was fine through my iMac's internal speakers. I do have soundflower so I was 
showing a couple of items in output besides internal speakers but I wouldn't 
have seen anything but internal speakers if I hadn't had soundflower. So since 
I have braille I was able to experiment. I put the headphones in and interacted 
with the output table and at first I saw no earphone choice. After moving 
around for a few seconds the headphone choice finally appeared but there was 
also a dialog to confirm the new setting; had I not done this it would have 
reverted to internal speakers. I did so and my headphones worked with no 
problem but at that point there was no choice for internal speakers. The next 
time I inserted the headphones I didn't have this problem; the switch was 
automatic. This morning I went in again with headphones on; they worked but 
when I pulled them out I again had to go through the confirm dialog to change 
settings back. So while I don't know exactly why sometimes the transition is 
automatic and sometimes not, headphones and internal speakers will I blieve 
never both be seen in your output table at the same time; the switch completely 
replaces one designation with another. I actually think that may have been the 
case before too but if the switch happened without a problem, one didn't have 
to go looking in the output table. At any rate, I don't think this is a case of 
the iMac forgetting its own hardware; it has something to do with the switch 
not occurring automatically the the new choice not showing up immediately and 
replacing internal speakers. You also have to watch out for that confirmation 
dialog which could indeed cause you to reinstall if you end up with no sound 
and don't have braille. In that case, I would look for some way to reset the 
sound settings rather than reinstalling and I believe at one time I saw some 
tips for doing that but I am not sure if that was on this list or not. I do 
know that sound not switching is not a totally new phenomenon to Yosemite 
because I remember doing a reverse backup of superduper - backing up from my 
backup to my hard drive - to restore my settings for sound when I used a usb 
speaker, unplugged it and found myself without sound and unable to get it back. 
This does seem to be slightly different from that and my problem and yours may 
not be identical but I think it is something with the management of the switch 
back and forth from internal speakers.

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On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:17 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

There is some discussion of this problem on
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6638906
where people running Yosemite 2013 machines are still getting Mavericks 
Recovery Console.
There is no official resolution except that someone at the bottom of the page 
says that downloading Yosemite again and reinstalling it then removed the 
Mavericks Recovery  Partition.

For the time being though I will take the approach of if it anin'si not broken 
do not try to fix it.

David Griffithdespite
On 15/12/2014 08:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a factor, 
> but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it is Yosemite 
> that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not Mavericks. So I 
> don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow a Yosemite install 
> but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may have been when you 
> attempted this.
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Growls! My ntfs discs aren't working.

[erik burggraaf]

Hi all,  Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

I left my ntfs file server tower in storage for a few months.  It was working 
fine when I packed it up,.  Not so much now.  Windows will see the drives in a 
virtual machine, but the mac won't mount them.  They are tuexera ntfs drives on 
the mac side.

Should I try a repare with checkdisc?

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apps to listen to radio and tv

[chad baker]

hi i’m currently running mavericks 10.9.5 and was wondering of any good apps to 
listen radio and tv
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Re: Growls! My ntfs discs aren't working.

[Todor Fassl]

I doubt the problem is related to the machine being turned off for an 
extended period of time. I suspect the problems are the result of the 
Windows machine being rebooted or that there were changes in your 
network during the interim.




On 12/15/2014 08:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi all,  Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

I left my ntfs file server tower in storage for a few months.  It was
working fine when I packed it up,.  Not so much now.  Windows will see
the drives in a virtual machine, but the mac won't mount them.  They are
tuexera ntfs drives on the mac side.

Should I try a repare with checkdisc?

Best,

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Re: Hiding the Gmail all folder

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Not anymore. I just looked.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you have to do it via gmail website interface, in setting and I think in 
> labels tab where you uncheck the all mail folder.  That's how it used to work.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 00:37, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I didn’t see this option under Gmail settings. I looked!
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:45 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the only way you can do this is by logging into your gmail account 
>>> through the web interface and going into settings to disable that folder.  
>>> I don't think it can be done on the Mac or PC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
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  wrote:
 
 Hello:
 Is there a way to hide the gmail’s all folder using Yosemite and the Mail 
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Re: My Network

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi y'all 
I finally had to take off the alias that worked, but caused my computer to go 
into fits. I think the problem was that the Windows computer is not always 
awake when I want to access the network and I have to go and wake it up. That 
would be ok except that even when I didn't want it apparently my computer was 
trying to access the thing. I didn't think it would do that with an alias, but 
I guess it did access or attempt to. I got Finder busy all the time until I 
finally took off both the alias and earlier, the Public volume on my desktop. 
Then I had to restart my computer without the network. Once I did that, my 
computer is behaving fine now. It doesn't like my husband's network. I thought 
I had messed up my computer for sure, but it has recovered now. 

Gigi 

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> You might be able too get to the drive with url like 
> smb://myoldcomputer/public 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello guys 
>> I don’t know if you guys can help me figure this out. I can’t figure out 
>> which computer, or maybe both of them, is causing me grief here. 
>> 
>> My husband has a computer running under Windows Vista. I hav a Macbook Pro 
>> under Yosemite. Sometimes when he is using the computer and I want to copy 
>> files from our network, my computer refuses to show me the public folder. 
>> Sometimes my computer will find it when I get to the Go Menu and arrow down 
>> to the network choice. I can’t get it to work with command shift k. 
>> 
>> My husband’s has JAWS 13 installed on it because it used to be my computer. 
>> If I had to, I could go in there and use JAWS to get the files, but that is 
>> not real convenient. Can any of you suggest why sometimes I can find this 
>> network and sometimes it finally shows up, and I still can’t figure out what 
>> made it finally show up in Finder. 
>> 
>> Right now I have on my desktop a volume that Finder calls Public. If I leave 
>> that on the desktop instead of ejecting it, will this make it easier to get 
>> the network or will it slow my computer down something awful because it is 
>> trying to get that volume all the time? I don’t need to get these files but 
>> say once a month or so. Any suggestions? 
>> 
>> Gigi 
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Re: Pages Formatting

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
Another thing you can do is do most of your work on a resume in TextEdit. I 
always get a reader to look at a resume, even though I know how to do the 
formatting things you mentioned. This is because it just helps to get a good 
reader to evaluate the looks of something that important anyway. If you stick 
with the Windows computer, you can get Word to save it out in rtf format so you 
can read yourself in TextEdit and maybe update it, too, even if you have to get 
a reader look over it again once any updates are done later. Just some thoughts 
here. 

I do think it would be useful for you to learn Pages some time, but a resume is 
usually a hurry up activity, and you want to learn Pages on something less 
important. When I learn a program, I always use it for important things and 
have a backup to check that I have things right. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> So what can I do? I’m having a sighted person help me make a resume on a 
> Windows machine. I couldn’t figure how to do formatting on Pages such as 
> bulets, and spacing.
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sarai,
>> 
>> Most formatting is preserved between Word and Pages. However, text in 
>> shapes, ligatures, some tab settings, linked text boxes, vertical text, 
>> stylised bullets, SmartArt graphics, some charts, paragraph borders, page 
>> colour and watermark as well as macros, OLI objects and themes are not 
>> supported on import to Pages, and this is according to Apple.
>> > >
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Dec 2014, at 00:28, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> I’m having issues with formatting and Pages. A friend sent me a Docx file 
>>> with a lot of formatting. I opened in Pages, corrected, saved as Word 
>>> format. None of the formatting stayed the same. All the spacing is gone. 
>>> How can we preserve document formatting?
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Re: Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Phil Halton]

I don’t believe AFP has a built-in reader. I have AFP setup to automatically 
export the scanned results to textedit and I read it there.
After completing a scan, you’ll need to poke around to find the export facility 
(probably in the menus somewhere). I forget how I did it long ago, but it can’t 
be too difficult if I figured it out.
 
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
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> Hello!
> I am using fine reader pro and after I import pages from my scanner, I can 
> not see the converted document, do you know what I am doing wrong? Where do 
> the converted document go?
> Thanks!
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Re: Pages Formatting

[Phil Halton]

just a note about exporting from word into rtf format for textedit, it’s not 
necessary as textedit opens and reads .docx files just fine. I use textedit to 
read docx files regularly.

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there 
> Another thing you can do is do most of your work on a resume in TextEdit. I 
> always get a reader to look at a resume, even though I know how to do the 
> formatting things you mentioned. This is because it just helps to get a good 
> reader to evaluate the looks of something that important anyway. If you stick 
> with the Windows computer, you can get Word to save it out in rtf format so 
> you can read yourself in TextEdit and maybe update it, too, even if you have 
> to get a reader look over it again once any updates are done later. Just some 
> thoughts here. 
> 
> I do think it would be useful for you to learn Pages some time, but a resume 
> is usually a hurry up activity, and you want to learn Pages on something less 
> important. When I learn a program, I always use it for important things and 
> have a backup to check that I have things right. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> So what can I do? I’m having a sighted person help me make a resume on a 
>> Windows machine. I couldn’t figure how to do formatting on Pages such as 
>> bulets, and spacing.
>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sarai,
>>> 
>>> Most formatting is preserved between Word and Pages. However, text in 
>>> shapes, ligatures, some tab settings, linked text boxes, vertical text, 
>>> stylised bullets, SmartArt graphics, some charts, paragraph borders, page 
>>> colour and watermark as well as macros, OLI objects and themes are not 
>>> supported on import to Pages, and this is according to Apple.
>>> >> >
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Dec 2014, at 00:28, Sarai Bucciarelli >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I’m having issues with formatting and Pages. A friend sent me a Docx file 
 with a lot of formatting. I opened in Pages, corrected, saved as Word 
 format. None of the formatting stayed the same. All the spacing is gone. 
 How can we preserve document formatting?
 
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Re: yosemite advice

[Phil Halton]

I recently upgraded two machines to Yosemite and I did opt to go with iCloud 
Drive, and also, I steered clear of file vaulting my hard drive. It adds 
another level of complexity to the system that I felt was totally unnecessary 
for my needs.

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:09 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jeff,
> 
> During the installation process, depending upon many factors, VoiceOver may 
> not place focus at the top/beginning of some dialog boxes.  Take your time 
> and read each dialog box carefully.  
> 
> One dialog box that you will definitely want to pay particular attention to 
> is the one that offers you the opportunity to encrypt your hard drive using 
> file vault.  If memory serves, the default choice for this is Yes.
> 
> Good Luck and Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: yosemite advice
> 
> Hi, ok I downloaded Yosemite today and made a boot/install drive. I will 
> install Yosemite tomorrow. Was wondering if anyone on the list has any 
> advice? Also, I know it asks you to setup iCloud drive. I’ve never used 
> iCloud for anything so don’t really need this feature. Do I have to setup 
> iCloud drive?
> Thanks, Jeff
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Re: apps to listen to radio and tv

[Shawn Krasniuk]

I'd like to know this as well. I go on a website to watch ESPN 2 and the site 
has proven to be unreliable due to the stream going down frequently. Also, I'm 
having problems with Adobe Flash Player, but I'll save that for a different 
post.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:55 AM, chad baker  wrote:
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> hi i’m currently running mavericks 10.9.5 and was wondering of any good apps 
> to listen radio and tv
> thanks
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Adobe Flash Player Not Installing

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi all. I'm posting this on two different lists to get a little more feedback 
from people. This morning I went on a site to watch TV, time4tv.com 
 to be exact, and it's saying that I need to update my 
Adobe Flash Player. Ok, no problem, I download the dmg for the update, opened 
the dmg and copied the app to my apps folder, but when I launch it, I just get 
an empty html thing where it's supposed to install. I had a sighted friend look 
at the screen and she could only see a box and no indication that Flash Player 
was installing. Has other people had problems installing the Flash Player? I do 
have another question that's off topic so *PLEASE* email me off list. To all 
gamers that have a little vision and own an Xbox 360 or PS3, preferably Xbox, 
have any of you found any websites where I could watch live TV from your 
console? I'm asking this because most of the time I like watching live TV 
streams on my TV and not on the computer. Thanks.

Shawn
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Re: Adobe Flash Player Not Installing

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I thought flashplayer file is pkg file which you have to run, not an app you 
copy to the application folder.  Can some more knowledgeable person correct me 
if I'm wrong?

Andrew
> On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:17, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I'm posting this on two different lists to get a little more feedback 
> from people. This morning I went on a site to watch TV, time4tv.com 
>  to be exact, and it's saying that I need to update my 
> Adobe Flash Player. Ok, no problem, I download the dmg for the update, opened 
> the dmg and copied the app to my apps folder, but when I launch it, I just 
> get an empty html thing where it's supposed to install. I had a sighted 
> friend look at the screen and she could only see a box and no indication that 
> Flash Player was installing. Has other people had problems installing the 
> Flash Player? I do have another question that's off topic so *PLEASE* email 
> me off list. To all gamers that have a little vision and own an Xbox 360 or 
> PS3, preferably Xbox, have any of you found any websites where I could watch 
> live TV from your console? I'm asking this because most of the time I like 
> watching live TV streams on my TV and not on the computer. Thanks.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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Re: apps to listen to radio and tv

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
I found an ESPN radio stream on Radium. you can try doing it that way. Just for 
ESPN. As for watching TV, I know on the windows side there is a program called 
U TV (I believe) but not sure if one exists on the mac. I generally stick to 
netflics and Hulu plus for any extensive television watching and just use my 
regular television for any life television. I know its not ideal but I think 
these are probably your best bet.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to know this as well. I go on a website to watch ESPN 2 and the site 
> has proven to be unreliable due to the stream going down frequently. Also, 
> I'm having problems with Adobe Flash Player, but I'll save that for a 
> different post.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:55 AM, chad baker  wrote:
>> 
>> hi i’m currently running mavericks 10.9.5 and was wondering of any good apps 
>> to listen radio and tv
>> thanks
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Re: Adobe Flash Player Not Installing

[David Griffith]

What happens in my case was that it was an installer.app file. So yes 
you have to run the installer.

However there are two windows to the installer.
There is a window with an html element with which you have to interact 
to read,  and there is also another second monitoring window. If the 
installer finds any problems like Safari being open and needing to close 
this will be flagged up in the monitoring window where there will be 
buttons like retry. In order to access this second window you need to 
use window chooser with VO F2



twice. In general I found that throughout the installation process I had 
to hit shift vo space bar on each button to execute them with a virtual 
mouse  click.

 ,as pressing VO space bar or enter or spcace did not work in my case.
David  Griffith
On 15/12/2014 16:27, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I thought flashplayer file is pkg file which you have to run, not an 
app you copy to the application folder.  Can some more knowledgeable 
person correct me if I'm wrong?


Andrew
On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:17, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:


Hi all. I'm posting this on two different lists to get a little more 
feedback from people. This morning I went on a site to watch TV, 
time4tv.com  to be exact, and it's saying that I 
need to update my Adobe Flash Player. Ok, no problem, I download the 
dmg for the update, opened the dmg and copied the app to my apps 
folder, but when I launch it, I just get an empty html thing where 
it's supposed to install. I had a sighted friend look at the screen 
and she could only see a box and no indication that Flash Player was 
installing. Has other people had problems installing the Flash 
Player? I do have another question that's off topic so *PLEASE* email 
me off list. To all gamers that have a little vision and own an Xbox 
360 or PS3, preferably Xbox, have any of you found any websites where 
I could watch live TV from your console? I'm asking this because most 
of the time I like watching live TV streams on my TV and not on the 
computer. Thanks.


Shawn
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Best way to Navigate Forum threads on the web

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Do not ever recall this being discussed, and have read a lot about people 
reading the Apple forums lately. I have noticed that whenever I need to browse 
a forum site on the web doing it with VO can take forever. On most forum sites 
there are no headings listed, so what I typically do is use auto webspots to 
locate the first conversation but then I have to use the arrow keys to navigate 
the page therefore having to read a lot of info that I could care less about to 
just get to people’s reply. For example,  I will have to arrow through things 
like user names, last date on site, last date posted, etc. All of which I could 
care less about when I just want to read the response. Has anyone found a 
quicker way to navigate forums on the web, and if so can you let us know. 
Thanks.

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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[Faisal ali]

David,
your problem sounds very serious and a real headache. What would your 
recommendation be for those who do not have a yosemite installer handy? I’m 
afraid of this happening to me and as of now, I do not have an installer of 
yosemite.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 5:17 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> There is some discussion of this problem on
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6638906
> where people running Yosemite 2013 machines are still getting Mavericks 
> Recovery Console.
> There is no official resolution except that someone at the bottom of the page 
> says that donwloading Yosemite again and reinstalling it then removed the 
> Mavericks Recovery  Partition.
> 
> For the time being though I will take the approach of if it anin'si not 
> broken do not try to fix it.
> 
> David Griffithdespite
> On 15/12/2014 08:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>> I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a factor, 
>> but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it is 
>> Yosemite that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not 
>> Mavericks. So I don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow a 
>> Yosemite install but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may have 
>> been when you attempted this.
>> 
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Re: apps to listen to radio and tv

[Brian Fischler]

Almost all major networks have their own website and offer streaming of their 
shows a day or two after they air. The accessibility of these sites seems to 
constantly be changing so it is more of a trial by error thing. I have had 
issues playing most videos in safari as I do not like videos automatically 
playing when I go to web sites so do not think I have adobe flash player 
installed, so what I do when I want to watch a video is go to the page then go 
to the develop menu and choose open in chrome and pretty much all the videos I 
have wanted to listen to have played in chrome. Hope this helps. 
On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:

> Hi,
> I found an ESPN radio stream on Radium. you can try doing it that way. Just 
> for ESPN. As for watching TV, I know on the windows side there is a program 
> called U TV (I believe) but not sure if one exists on the mac. I generally 
> stick to netflics and Hulu plus for any extensive television watching and 
> just use my regular television for any life television. I know its not ideal 
> but I think these are probably your best bet.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to know this as well. I go on a website to watch ESPN 2 and the 
>> site has proven to be unreliable due to the stream going down frequently. 
>> Also, I'm having problems with Adobe Flash Player, but I'll save that for a 
>> different post.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:55 AM, chad baker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi i’m currently running mavericks 10.9.5 and was wondering of any good 
>>> apps to listen radio and tv
>>> thanks
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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[David Griffith]

You may not have the problem . It is unclear why some of us are 
retaining Mavericks on our  Recovery Console, even after installing 
Yosemite but clearly  this problem is not affecting everybody. Some 
people are in fact getting the correct Yosemite Recovery Console.
I suggest you simply have a look by restarting and pressing Command R. 
Obviously you do not have to proceed with any re-install but you will 
then be able to hear whether you are being given the option to 
re-install Mavericks or Yosemite.

If you hear Yosemite you are OK.
If Mavericks we are in the same situation.
I will start by trying to download the latest Yosemite installer and 
replace my old installer with this.



David Griffith


On 15/12/2014 16:40, Faisal ali wrote:

David,
your problem sounds very serious and a real headache. What would your 
recommendation be for those who do not have a yosemite installer handy? I’m 
afraid of this happening to me and as of now, I do not have an installer of 
yosemite.

On Dec 15, 2014, at 5:17 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

There is some discussion of this problem on
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6638906
where people running Yosemite 2013 machines are still getting Mavericks 
Recovery Console.
There is no official resolution except that someone at the bottom of the page 
says that donwloading Yosemite again and reinstalling it then removed the 
Mavericks Recovery  Partition.

For the time being though I will take the approach of if it anin'si not broken 
do not try to fix it.

David Griffithdespite
On 15/12/2014 08:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a factor, 
but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it is Yosemite 
that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not Mavericks. So I 
don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow a Yosemite install 
but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may have been when you 
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regarding current

[Faisal ali]

Hi all,
so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the app, 
the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and the app 
continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
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Re: Saga trying to reinstall Yosemtie

[Faisal ali]

Very interesting, I checked and I have 10.10 on my recovery console. I’m 
wondering if this problem only affects machines before 2012. Have you tried 
contacting applecare to see if they have an explanation?
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:52 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> You may not have the problem . It is unclear why some of us are retaining 
> Mavericks on our  Recovery Console, even after installing Yosemite but 
> clearly  this problem is not affecting everybody. Some people are in fact 
> getting the correct Yosemite Recovery Console.
> I suggest you simply have a look by restarting and pressing Command R. 
> Obviously you do not have to proceed with any re-install but you will then be 
> able to hear whether you are being given the option to re-install Mavericks 
> or Yosemite.
> If you hear Yosemite you are OK.
> If Mavericks we are in the same situation.
> I will start by trying to download the latest Yosemite installer and replace 
> my old installer with this.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 15/12/2014 16:40, Faisal ali wrote:
>> David,
>> your problem sounds very serious and a real headache. What would your 
>> recommendation be for those who do not have a yosemite installer handy? I’m 
>> afraid of this happening to me and as of now, I do not have an installer of 
>> yosemite.
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 5:17 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is some discussion of this problem on
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6638906
>>> where people running Yosemite 2013 machines are still getting Mavericks 
>>> Recovery Console.
>>> There is no official resolution except that someone at the bottom of the 
>>> page says that donwloading Yosemite again and reinstalling it then removed 
>>> the Mavericks Recovery  Partition.
>>> 
>>> For the time being though I will take the approach of if it anin'si not 
>>> broken do not try to fix it.
>>> 
>>> David Griffithdespite
>>> On 15/12/2014 08:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
 I am not sure how old your iMac is or whether or not this would be a 
 factor, but if I use cmd-r at restart and take the steps to reinstall, it 
 is Yosemite that is indeed shown as the install that will be done, not 
 Mavericks. So I don't think the problem is that Apple has failed to allow 
 a Yosemite install but unfortunately I don't know what the problem may 
 have been when you attempted this.
 
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Re: regarding current

[Kliph]

I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I am 
having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
> app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
> the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
> Thanks
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Re: regarding current

[Faisal ali]

Hello,
I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at all 
so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that makes 
sense.
Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get out 
of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out how to 
do this?
Thanks
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I am 
> having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
>> app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
>> the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
>> Thanks
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Re: Adobe Flash Player Not Installing

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hmmm, for me that window just opened and was there but maybe it varies from 
time to time. Also when I did this yesterday to get the buttons to work I had 
to use vo-shift-space instead of just vo-space so if you seem to be stuck with 
it saying you have to close safari when it's already closed, try that. I never 
bother to move the installer app into the Applications folder but I don't think 
it matters.


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On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:38 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

What happens in my case was that it was an installer.app file. So yes you have 
to run the installer.
However there are two windows to the installer.
There is a window with an html element with which you have to interact to read, 
 and there is also another second monitoring window. If the installer finds any 
problems like Safari being open and needing to close this will be flagged up in 
the monitoring window where there will be buttons like retry. In order to 
access this second window you need to use window chooser with VO F2


twice. In general I found that throughout the installation process I had to hit 
shift vo space bar on each button to execute them with a virtual mouse  click.
 ,as pressing VO space bar or enter or spcace did not work in my case.
David  Griffith 
On 15/12/2014 16:27, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I thought flashplayer file is pkg file which you have to run, not an app you 
> copy to the application folder.  Can some more knowledgeable person correct 
> me if I'm wrong?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:17, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I'm posting this on two different lists to get a little more 
>> feedback from people. This morning I went on a site to watch TV, time4tv.com 
>>  to be exact, and it's saying that I need to update my 
>> Adobe Flash Player. Ok, no problem, I download the dmg for the update, 
>> opened the dmg and copied the app to my apps folder, but when I launch it, I 
>> just get an empty html thing where it's supposed to install. I had a sighted 
>> friend look at the screen and she could only see a box and no indication 
>> that Flash Player was installing. Has other people had problems installing 
>> the Flash Player? I do have another question that's off topic so *PLEASE* 
>> email me off list. To all gamers that have a little vision and own an Xbox 
>> 360 or PS3, preferably Xbox, have any of you found any websites where I 
>> could watch live TV from your console? I'm asking this because most of the 
>> time I like watching live TV streams on my TV and not on the computer. 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
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Re: regarding current

[Alex Hall]

Can anyone explain what this app offers that the mobile site does not? I'm not 
much into Facebook, but if it lets me chat, manage groups, and review my feed 
easily, it might be worth a look. Thanks.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at 
> all so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that 
> makes sense.
> Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get out 
> of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out how to 
> do this?
> Thanks
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I am 
>> having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
>>> app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
>>> the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
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issue with mail

[Faisal ali]

So this os not my day today when it comes to technology. I’m having trouble 
expanding and collapsing conversation threads in mail. I have it set to sort by 
conversation but when ever I hit right arrow to expand a conversation, nothing 
seems to happen. However, when I hit the left arrow, voiceover announces 
collapsed even though this is not reflected using the arrow keys. Can anyone 
shed some light on this?
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Re: Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Daniela Rubio]

Thank you very much!
And can somebody help me to set things up, that after finisting a 
digitalization, it exports it to Text edit? 
After I digitalize pages, I get a button that says something like warnings, an 
other that puts pages, etc.
I really don’t know where is that result.
This is the computer of a student and we are trying to make this work for her.
Thanks for all the help you can give!

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> El 15/12/2014, a las 16:51, Phil Halton  escribió:
> 
> I don’t believe AFP has a built-in reader. I have AFP setup to automatically 
> export the scanned results to textedit and I read it there.
> After completing a scan, you’ll need to poke around to find the export 
> facility (probably in the menus somewhere). I forget how I did it long ago, 
> but it can’t be too difficult if I figured it out.
>  
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Daniela Rubio > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello!
>> I am using fine reader pro and after I import pages from my scanner, I can 
>> not see the converted document, do you know what I am doing wrong? Where do 
>> the converted document go?
>> Thanks!
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Re: issue with mail

[Alex Hall]

The fix that works for me is to simply turn VO off, hit right arrow a couple 
times while on the conversation, then turn VO back on. This should expand the 
conversation and return everything to normal.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> So this os not my day today when it comes to technology. I’m having trouble 
> expanding and collapsing conversation threads in mail. I have it set to sort 
> by conversation but when ever I hit right arrow to expand a conversation, 
> nothing seems to happen. However, when I hit the left arrow, voiceover 
> announces collapsed even though this is not reflected using the arrow keys. 
> Can anyone shed some light on this?
> Thanks
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Re: issue with mail

[Faisal ali]

Ahh, that seems to have fixed it. Thank you. Any ideas why this happens? would 
this be a VO issue? I don’t ever recall this happening under Mavericks.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> The fix that works for me is to simply turn VO off, hit right arrow a couple 
> times while on the conversation, then turn VO back on. This should expand the 
> conversation and return everything to normal.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Faisal ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> So this os not my day today when it comes to technology. I’m having trouble 
>> expanding and collapsing conversation threads in mail. I have it set to sort 
>> by conversation but when ever I hit right arrow to expand a conversation, 
>> nothing seems to happen. However, when I hit the left arrow, voiceover 
>> announces collapsed even though this is not reflected using the arrow keys. 
>> Can anyone shed some light on this?
>> Thanks
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Re: regarding current

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
My other question is, is it possible to set the view to mobile? I know this was 
done in Menu tab and I would like to have this for current. Frankly, I find the 
regular Facebook layout to be cluttered and not very simple to navigate around.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Can anyone explain what this app offers that the mobile site does not? I'm 
> not much into Facebook, but if it lets me chat, manage groups, and review my 
> feed easily, it might be worth a look. Thanks.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Faisal ali > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at 
>> all so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that 
>> makes sense.
>> Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get 
>> out of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out 
>> how to do this?
>> Thanks
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I 
>>> am having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
>>> mailto:faisal.a...@icloud.com>> wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
 app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
 the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
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Re: regarding current

[Joshua Tubbs]

What is the differences between Current VS. MenuTab? Seems like they both use 
the same web interface and thus, by habit I open Safari and go to FB that way.

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at 
> all so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that 
> makes sense.
> Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get out 
> of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out how to 
> do this?
> Thanks
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I am 
>> having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
>>> app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
>>> the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
>>> Thanks
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Re: Observations

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting. While I do have a good number of apps I think the bulk of 
my iPhone content is media. While it's great that iCloud backs up 
pointers to media stored on my computer, that means the iCloud backup 
isn't really a full backup. If something goes kerfluey on my laptop the 
copies on my phone are the only ones. Or is the assumption that my 
generated content from the phone is being synced to icloud and then that 
is synced to my laptop?


CB

On 12/14/14, 10:33 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Actually Chris, this is a common misconception.  When your iDevice is backed up 
to iCloud, the entire device is not necessarily backed up.  That is, the OS and 
pre-installed apps are grabbed from Apple, only markers and setup info is 
stored for your apps as they are downloaded after the fact, and the same is so 
for your music.  The actual music is not stored in the iCloud backup, just a 
database of the songs, playlists and such that you can restore either from 
iTunes Match or your computer.  Thus, it is feasible to keep multiple backups 
of multiple iDevices in iCloud simultaneously.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Dec 13, 2014, at 20:25, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

The downside of iCloud backups is (I suspect) most folks have the free 5GB of 
storage while most phones have a lot more than this to backup. I imagine very 
few people can use iCloud backup without either paying for more storage or 
stripping down what gets backed up to a bare minimum.

CB

On 12/13/14, 12:19 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Regarding iPhone backups.  The process is as follows.  If you have your iDevice 
set to use iCloud Backups, then it will automatically backup to iCloud when 
your iDevice is plugged in to power and connected to WiFi.  this is regardless 
of whether you have Mavericks, Yosemite, Windows or even a computer for that 
matter.  You can manually tell it to backup to iCloud from within the iCloud 
area of Settings on your iDevice.  If you have enabled iTunes WiFi Sync, then 
your iDevices will sync with your Mac when they are both connected to the same 
WiFi network and iTunes is open on the Mac.  This is done over the air so you 
don’t need to tether it with your USB cable in order for this to occur.  
Realize though, that this is just syncing, it’s not backing up to iCloud.  If 
you have set your iDevice to backup to that same Mac instead of to iCloud, then 
backups should occur using WiFi Syncing to that Mac.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Dec 8, 2014, at 16:49, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:



Hello.

I am having problems with understanding Yosemite after coming from Mavericks.

For instance, my understanding was if you locked your I phone, you could back 
it up to iCloud.  However, this is not for me, as when I do it, I always get 
the message that the process failed.  However, if I use my Mac mini or I Mac to 
do this, my I phone gets backed up.

Another thing I just discovered today was, that I don’t have to have my I phone 
connected to any devices and I can back it up to my I Mac or my Mac mini 
without having to connect it although initially I did connect it to a cable in 
the first instance when I was instructed to do so.

A very nice thing I discovered was that the iCloud website was better when 
sorting out my rules as before on Mavericks the process was rather complicated. 
 It’s so nice that Apple have worked to tidy things up now.  I’m so glad that 
braille is working at last on Yosemite as my Focus 40 would not connect via 
bluetooth.  Such a positive note for a good operating system.

Thank you.


Kawal.

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Re: Hiding the Gmail all folder

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

One thing that might speed up gmail syncing and save space on your computer 
would be to reduce the number of messages that Google iMAP allows to be 
downloaded. My memory is that there is a checkbox with a default of 2000 
messages. So supposedly if you checked this you would only have the 2K most 
recent messages available unless you moved those that were important into “On 
My Mac” folders.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:14, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Not anymore. I just looked.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you have to do it via gmail website interface, in setting and I think 
>> in labels tab where you uncheck the all mail folder.  That's how it used to 
>> work.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 00:37, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I didn’t see this option under Gmail settings. I looked!
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:45 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 I think the only way you can do this is by logging into your gmail account 
 through the web interface and going into settings to disable that folder.  
 I don't think it can be done on the Mac or PC.
 
 
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Re: Observations

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This is what I understand.  If you primarily use iCloud as your backup solution 
for your iDevice, then your Mac really isn’t in the picture, at least according 
to Apples’ expectations.  All apps are purchased through the iTunes Store, all 
music is either streamed or downloaded from the iTunes Store and all settings 
and app data are stored within the iCloud backup.  Therefore, everything you 
need is available over the air through this iCloud backup solution.  Now, we 
know better than that though, music ripped from CDs etc, and apps that are no 
longer available in the iTunes Store also often reside on your iDevice.  Using 
the iCloud backup solution only, would be a problem if your iDevice crashed and 
those items weren’t backed up elsewhere, or at least available from elsewhere.  
Those, still useful apps and other non-purchased media would be lost.  
Therefore, setting iTunes to download all your app purchases, and maintaining 
copies of your media on your Mac is also a very good idea.  Extend that further 
to have a good backup routine for your Mac and you should never lose anything.

Two more things that I do to ensure I don’t lose anything, is to occasionally 
do an iDevice backup through iTunes on my Mac, and make sure that my iDevice 
and Mac are synced often.  The latter just ensures that those apps that may no 
longer be available through the iTunes Store, can still be brought back to my 
iDevice through iTunes. .  When you do a restore through iCloud, this dialog 
often appears telling you exactly that.  Some apps weren’t able to be 
downloaded from the iTunes Store, connect your iDevice to your Mac and retrieve 
those apps from iTunes.  Add iTunes Match to the mix, and you can actually get 
all of the music downloaded over the air as well.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:50, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. While I do have a good number of apps I think the bulk of my 
> iPhone content is media. While it's great that iCloud backs up pointers to 
> media stored on my computer, that means the iCloud backup isn't really a full 
> backup. If something goes kerfluey on my laptop the copies on my phone are 
> the only ones. Or is the assumption that my generated content from the phone 
> is being synced to icloud and then that is synced to my laptop?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/14/14, 10:33 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually Chris, this is a common misconception.  When your iDevice is backed 
>> up to iCloud, the entire device is not necessarily backed up.  That is, the 
>> OS and pre-installed apps are grabbed from Apple, only markers and setup 
>> info is stored for your apps as they are downloaded after the fact, and the 
>> same is so for your music.  The actual music is not stored in the iCloud 
>> backup, just a database of the songs, playlists and such that you can 
>> restore either from iTunes Match or your computer.  Thus, it is feasible to 
>> keep multiple backups of multiple iDevices in iCloud simultaneously.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 20:25, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The downside of iCloud backups is (I suspect) most folks have the free 5GB 
>>> of storage while most phones have a lot more than this to backup. I imagine 
>>> very few people can use iCloud backup without either paying for more 
>>> storage or stripping down what gets backed up to a bare minimum.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 12/13/14, 12:19 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Regarding iPhone backups.  The process is as follows.  If you have your 
 iDevice set to use iCloud Backups, then it will automatically backup to 
 iCloud when your iDevice is plugged in to power and connected to WiFi.  
 this is regardless of whether you have Mavericks, Yosemite, Windows or 
 even a computer for that matter.  You can manually tell it to backup to 
 iCloud from within the iCloud area of Settings on your iDevice.  If you 
 have enabled iTunes WiFi Sync, then your iDevices will sync with your Mac 
 when they are both connected to the same WiFi network and iTunes is open 
 on the Mac.  This is done over the air so you don’t need to tether it with 
 your USB cable in order for this to occur.  Realize though, that this is 
 just syncing, it’s not backing up to iCloud.  If you have set your iDevice 
 to backup to that same Mac instead of to iCloud, then backups should occur 
 using WiFi Syncing to that Mac.
 
 Hope this makes sense.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 16:49, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I am having problems with understanding Yosemite after coming from 
> Mavericks.
> 
> For instance, my understanding was if you locked your I phone, you could 
> 

Re: regarding current

[christopher hallsworth]

They do, however MenuTab for Facebook is ad-sponsored.
> On 15 Dec 2014, at 17:47, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> What is the differences between Current VS. MenuTab? Seems like they both use 
> the same web interface and thus, by habit I open Safari and go to FB that way.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at 
>> all so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that 
>> makes sense.
>> Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get 
>> out of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out 
>> how to do this?
>> Thanks
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I 
>>> am having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
>>>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading the 
 app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few minutes and 
 the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
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Re: Observations

[Faisal ali]

the only problem with backing up your apps to your mac is that you lose all 
your folders that you so painstakingly created on your iDevice. This is why I 
prefer using iCloud as it preserves all your folders.
Another issue I noticed when using your mac is apps that get restored onto your 
phone which you deleted. I once did a restore from my mac and I had over 6 
pages of apps when I should only have two. I also found that I had pages and 
pages of apps that I deleted a long time ago. The interesting thing is, I 
actually backed up my phone after I deleted those apps so they should’ve have 
gotten backed up to begin with.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is what I understand.  If you primarily use iCloud as your backup 
> solution for your iDevice, then your Mac really isn’t in the picture, at 
> least according to Apples’ expectations.  All apps are purchased through the 
> iTunes Store, all music is either streamed or downloaded from the iTunes 
> Store and all settings and app data are stored within the iCloud backup. 
> Therefore, everything you need is available over the air through this iCloud 
> backup solution.  Now, we know better than that though, music ripped from CDs 
> etc, and apps that are no longer available in the iTunes Store also often 
> reside on your iDevice.  Using the iCloud backup solution only, would be a 
> problem if your iDevice crashed and those items weren’t backed up elsewhere, 
> or at least available from elsewhere. Those, still useful apps and other 
> non-purchased media would be lost.  Therefore, setting iTunes to download all 
> your app purchases, and maintaining copies of your media on your Mac is also 
> a very good idea.  Extend that further to have a good backup routine for your 
> Mac and you should never lose anything.
> 
> Two more things that I do to ensure I don’t lose anything, is to occasionally 
> do an iDevice backup through iTunes on my Mac, and make sure that my iDevice 
> and Mac are synced often. The latter just ensures that those apps that may no 
> longer be available through the iTunes Store, can still be brought back to my 
> iDevice through iTunes. .  When you do a restore through iCloud, this dialog 
> often appears telling you exactly that. Some apps weren’t able to be 
> downloaded from the iTunes Store, connect your iDevice to your Mac and 
> retrieve those apps from iTunes.  Add iTunes Match to the mix, and you can 
> actually get all of the music downloaded over the air as well.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:50, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting. While I do have a good number of apps I think the bulk of my 
>> iPhone content is media. While it's great that iCloud backs up pointers to 
>> media stored on my computer, that means the iCloud backup isn't really a 
>> full backup. If something goes kerfluey on my laptop the copies on my phone 
>> are the only ones. Or is the assumption that my generated content from the 
>> phone is being synced to icloud and then that is synced to my laptop?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 12/14/14, 10:33 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually Chris, this is a common misconception.  When your iDevice is 
>>> backed up to iCloud, the entire device is not necessarily backed up.  That 
>>> is, the OS and pre-installed apps are grabbed from Apple, only markers and 
>>> setup info is stored for your apps as they are downloaded after the fact, 
>>> and the same is so for your music.  The actual music is not stored in the 
>>> iCloud backup, just a database of the songs, playlists and such that you 
>>> can restore either from iTunes Match or your computer.  Thus, it is 
>>> feasible to keep multiple backups of multiple iDevices in iCloud 
>>> simultaneously.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 20:25, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 The downside of iCloud backups is (I suspect) most folks have the free 5GB 
 of storage while most phones have a lot more than this to backup. I 
 imagine very few people can use iCloud backup without either paying for 
 more storage or stripping down what gets backed up to a bare minimum.
 
 CB
 
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> Hi,
> 
> Regarding iPhone backups.  The process is as follows. If you have your 
> iDevice set to use iCloud Backups, then it will automatically backup to 
> iCloud when your iDevice is plugged in to power and connected to WiFi. 
> this is regardless of whether you have Mavericks, Yosemite, Windows or 
> even a computer for that matter. You can manually tell it to backup to 
> iCloud from within the iCloud area of Settings on your iDevice.  If you 
> have enabled iTunes WiFi Sync, then your iDevices will sync

Re: regarding current

[Krister Ekstrom]

According to the description on their web site, you should be able to have 
Current in the background and be notified when something of importance happens, 
but all i see is the hide feature that’s in the OS and that doesn’t hide the 
app entirely. Wondering if there’s a way of doing like what you can do in Menu 
tab and sorta hide the app completely? You can’t quit the app because then it 
even disappears from the menu extensions. Anyone who has a clue about this?
/Krister

> 15 dec 2014 kl. 19:44 skrev christopher hallsworth :
> 
> They do, however MenuTab for Facebook is ad-sponsored.
>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 17:47, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the differences between Current VS. MenuTab? Seems like they both 
>> use the same web interface and thus, by habit I open Safari and go to FB 
>> that way.
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I figured it out. As it turns out, current and me u tab do not get along at 
>>> all so I had to quit menu tab and current was fine after that. I guess that 
>>> makes sense.
>>> Also, when sorting news feed, I select most recent but cannot seem to get 
>>> out of that menu. Hitting return seems to do nothing. Have you figured out 
>>> how to do this?
>>> Thanks
 On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliph  wrote:
 
 I have no idea what might be going on with yours.  I just loged in, and I 
 am having no issues.On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Faisal ali 
  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> so I purchased current but having problems with it. When I try loading 
> the app, the application stays busy. I’ve had it sitting for a few 
> minutes and the app continues to be busy. What am I doing wrong here?
> Thanks
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Re: issue with mail

[Alex Hall]

I don't know why it happens, no. Oddly, I found it to happen a lot under 
Mavericks, and far less in Yosemite.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Ahh, that seems to have fixed it. Thank you. Any ideas why this happens? 
> would this be a VO issue? I don’t ever recall this happening under Mavericks.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> The fix that works for me is to simply turn VO off, hit right arrow a couple 
>> times while on the conversation, then turn VO back on. This should expand 
>> the conversation and return everything to normal.
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Faisal ali >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this os not my day today when it comes to technology. I’m having trouble 
>>> expanding and collapsing conversation threads in mail. I have it set to 
>>> sort by conversation but when ever I hit right arrow to expand a 
>>> conversation, nothing seems to happen. However, when I hit the left arrow, 
>>> voiceover announces collapsed even though this is not reflected using the 
>>> arrow keys. Can anyone shed some light on this?
>>> Thanks
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you are currently on a zip file

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi guys I had safari, notes, shrook open, got tired of messing around with
trying to copy paste things and decided to close all.  And now voiceover
says you are currently on a zip file, when I press escape nothing happends,
command q does nothing how do I get out of this thing?  By the way the zip
file is a voiceover audio file wich I would also like to know how to delete?
Please help if you can?? Thanks zoe

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Re: you are currently on a zip file

[John Panarese]

   I'm assuming you are on the desktop.  That's probably a VoiceOver audio log 
file.  Just command-backspace on it to delete it.  You can open apps from the 
Dock or open a Finder window from there with command-n.


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> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
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> Hi guys I had safari, notes, shrook open, got tired of messing around with 
> trying to copy paste things and decided to close all.  And now voiceover says 
> you are currently on a zip file, when I press escape nothing happends, 
> command q does nothing how do I get out of this thing?  By the way the zip 
> file is a voiceover audio file wich I would also like to know how to delete?  
> Please help if you can?? Thanks zoe
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Request for resources

[Bobby Druesedow]

Hello:

I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I have 
always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if there are 
any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn how to best work 
with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a challenge for me so 
far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
In line

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RE: you are currently on a zip file

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Yes that’s exactly what it is, I am clicking command backspace and a here a 
ding.  Is the backspace key the last one on the keyboard under the top row of 
keys?  When I hit keyboard help it tells me that key is called delete, so if 
I'm hitting the correct keys why is it dinging?

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   I'm assuming you are on the desktop.  That's probably a VoiceOver audio log 
file.  Just command-backspace on it to delete it.  You can open apps from the 
Dock or open a Finder window from there with command-n.


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> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
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> Hi guys I had safari, notes, shrook open, got tired of messing around with 
> trying to copy paste things and decided to close all.  And now voiceover says 
> you are currently on a zip file, when I press escape nothing happends, 
> command q does nothing how do I get out of this thing?  By the way the zip 
> file is a voiceover audio file wich I would also like to know how to delete?  
> Please help if you can?? Thanks zoe
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Re: Request for resources

[Alex Hall]

Have you visited www.applevis.com yet? They have a page specifically for those 
new to the Mac, with podcasts and written articles on everything from VoiceOver 
basics to using Finder to Safari and more.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
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> Hello:
> 
> I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I have 
> always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if there are 
> any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn how to best 
> work with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a challenge for 
> me so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> In line
> 
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actually now everything is dinging

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Ok guys now I'm in trouble no matter what keys I click no matter if I flick
on the trackpad all I hear is a ding and nothing else, when I say nothing
else I don't mean voiceover is not speaking I mean I hit vo d and instead of
hearing doc safari for example I hear just a ding what's going on now?

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Re: Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Phil Halton]

Daniela, this is how I scan documents using AFP.
1, in the “new task” screen, I select my scanner from the source table.
2, I check the “go right” checkbox to the left of the source table. That brings 
up a scroll area to the right of the source table which   contains buttons for  
all the document types that I can scan to.
3, in the scroll area , I interact and click the button for .rtf format 
document (just my personal choice, you can select any doc type you want.)
4, this brings up a “import” window, and my scanner makes an initial pass over 
the document. 
in this window there all kinds of settings that will affect your scan results. 
probably the most important is the color depth setting. press the color depth 
button and set it to “gray scale” it’s the optimum setting for OCR. Also 
suggested is setting the resolution to 300DPI. the other settings are 
self-explanatory, set them as you wish for best results.
5, at the far right/bottom of the window are the “scan” and “finish import” 
buttons. With the document on the scanner, press “scan” for each page of the 
document. Note: you can set 
AFP to automatically scan after a pause allowing you to change pages on the 
scanner, but unless you’re scanning a big doc, I find it best to manually scan 
each page.
6, when done scanning pages, I press the “finish import” button and AFP OCR’s 
the scanned pages, and then brings up a “save” dialog. I use the default 
filename of untitled and press export. I then get a dialog asking if I want to 
replace the previous Untitled document. I press the “replace” button and 
textedit opens with my scan results. I can then do what I like with the results 
and close textedit when done.
7, returning to AFP, I find myself in the “untitled” window which contains 
tools for selecting areas on the scanned doc, and a lot of stuff I don’t bother 
trying to use as it is mostly useful for sighted people. They can draw borders 
around tables and other areas for additional scanning etc.
8, Now here’s where you want to set AFP to automatically export the scanned 
results to textedit or some other viewing program. Unfortunately, I can’t seem 
to find any setting for automatic export either. However, you can simply press 
Command + S to start the export process manually. If I’m not mistaken, auto 
export/save is not an actual setting from within AFP, but is done somehow in OS 
X, telling it to automatically open AFP’s scan results in textedit. I’m going 
to look into this because it really bothers me not to know.
I hope this has been somewhat helpful.

 


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Re: actually now everything is dinging

[David Griffith]

In these circumstances it is worth checking Window Chooser to make sure that 
there is not an alert window somewhere which is demanding your attention.
Unfortunatley not every window announces itself when it opens on the Mac.
Hit VO F2 twice to bring Window Chooser  up.
Alternatively you may just have an application that has crashed. This happens 
far less on the mac than on Windows but this does happen. Try hitting command 
option escape and then in the force quit window which comes up interact with 
the table of open applications and  see if any 
are not responding. If any app is causing a problem you can force it to quit 
from this window.

David Griffith  
> On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:09, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Ok guys now I’m in trouble no matter what keys I click no matter if I flick 
> on the trackpad all I hear is a ding and nothing else, when I say nothing 
> else I don’t mean voiceover is not speaking I mean I hit vo d and instead of 
> hearing doc safari for example I hear just a ding what’s going on now?
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Re: Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Phil Halton]

daniela,
I think I have found the procedure for getting AFP to automatically open the 
scanned pages in textedit.
You must select “scan to rtf” in step #3. Then, when you press the “finish 
import” button in step#6, AFP will automatically bring up the save dialog where 
you export the scanned doc to an RTF document using the default title of 
Untitled for a filename. Make sure the box for Open saved results after export 
is checked, and since all rtf docs open with textedit by default in OS X, 
textedit will open with your scanned pages.

Good Luck and let us know how it works.
 
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Daniela, this is how I scan documents using AFP.
> 1, in the “new task” screen, I select my scanner from the source table.
> 2, I check the “go right” checkbox to the left of the source table. That 
> brings up a scroll area to the right of the source table which   contains 
> buttons for  all the document types that I can scan to.
> 3, in the scroll area , I interact and click the button for .rtf format 
> document (just my personal choice, you can select any doc type you want.)
> 4, this brings up a “import” window, and my scanner makes an initial pass 
> over the document. 
> in this window there all kinds of settings that will affect your scan 
> results. probably the most important is the color depth setting. press the 
> color depth button and set it to “gray scale” it’s the optimum setting for 
> OCR. Also suggested is setting the resolution to 300DPI. the other settings 
> are self-explanatory, set them as you wish for best results.
> 5, at the far right/bottom of the window are the “scan” and “finish import” 
> buttons. With the document on the scanner, press “scan” for each page of the 
> document. Note: you can set 
> AFP to automatically scan after a pause allowing you to change pages on the 
> scanner, but unless you’re scanning a big doc, I find it best to manually 
> scan each page.
> 6, when done scanning pages, I press the “finish import” button and AFP OCR’s 
> the scanned pages, and then brings up a “save” dialog. I use the default 
> filename of untitled and press export. I then get a dialog asking if I want 
> to replace the previous Untitled document. I press the “replace” button and 
> textedit opens with my scan results. I can then do what I like with the 
> results and close textedit when done.
> 7, returning to AFP, I find myself in the “untitled” window which contains 
> tools for selecting areas on the scanned doc, and a lot of stuff I don’t 
> bother trying to use as it is mostly useful for sighted people. They can draw 
> borders around tables and other areas for additional scanning etc.
> 8, Now here’s where you want to set AFP to automatically export the scanned 
> results to textedit or some other viewing program. Unfortunately, I can’t 
> seem to find any setting for automatic export either. However, you can simply 
> press Command + S to start the export process manually. If I’m not mistaken, 
> auto export/save is not an actual setting from within AFP, but is done 
> somehow in OS X, telling it to automatically open AFP’s scan results in 
> textedit. I’m going to look into this because it really bothers me not to 
> know.
> I hope this has been somewhat helpful.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: you are currently on a zip file

[John Panarese]

   If it's a laptop, it's the second key down on the right side, a big thick 
key.  Try doing command-tab and making sure the focus is on that file before 
you delete it.  


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Yes that’s exactly what it is, I am clicking command backspace and a here a 
> ding.  Is the backspace key the last one on the keyboard under the top row of 
> keys?  When I hit keyboard help it tells me that key is called delete, so if 
> I'm hitting the correct keys why is it dinging?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: December-15-14 3:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: you are currently on a zip file
> 
>   I'm assuming you are on the desktop.  That's probably a VoiceOver audio log 
> file.  Just command-backspace on it to delete it.  You can open apps from the 
> Dock or open a Finder window from there with command-n.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> Lion
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> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys I had safari, notes, shrook open, got tired of messing around with 
>> trying to copy paste things and decided to close all.  And now voiceover 
>> says you are currently on a zip file, when I press escape nothing happends, 
>> command q does nothing how do I get out of this thing?  By the way the zip 
>> file is a voiceover audio file wich I would also like to know how to delete? 
>>  Please help if you can?? Thanks zoe
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free word processor apps

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2014/01/16/10-best-word-processing-apps-mac/

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Re: Results for Abbyy Fine reader pro?

[Joseph]

Hello,
That also works for txt files as well.

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> daniela,
> I think I have found the procedure for getting AFP to automatically open the 
> scanned pages in textedit.
> You must select “scan to rtf” in step #3. Then, when you press the “finish 
> import” button in step#6, AFP will automatically bring up the save dialog 
> where you export the scanned doc to an RTF document using the default title 
> of Untitled for a filename. Make sure the box for Open saved results after 
> export is checked, and since all rtf docs open with textedit by default in OS 
> X, textedit will open with your scanned pages.
> 
> Good Luck and let us know how it works.
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Daniela, this is how I scan documents using AFP.
>> 1, in the “new task” screen, I select my scanner from the source table.
>> 2, I check the “go right” checkbox to the left of the source table. That 
>> brings up a scroll area to the right of the source table which   contains 
>> buttons for  all the document types that I can scan to.
>> 3, in the scroll area , I interact and click the button for .rtf format 
>> document (just my personal choice, you can select any doc type you want.)
>> 4, this brings up a “import” window, and my scanner makes an initial pass 
>> over the document. 
>> in this window there all kinds of settings that will affect your scan 
>> results. probably the most important is the color depth setting. press the 
>> color depth button and set it to “gray scale” it’s the optimum setting for 
>> OCR. Also suggested is setting the resolution to 300DPI. the other settings 
>> are self-explanatory, set them as you wish for best results.
>> 5, at the far right/bottom of the window are the “scan” and “finish import” 
>> buttons. With the document on the scanner, press “scan” for each page of the 
>> document. Note: you can set 
>> AFP to automatically scan after a pause allowing you to change pages on the 
>> scanner, but unless you’re scanning a big doc, I find it best to manually 
>> scan each page.
>> 6, when done scanning pages, I press the “finish import” button and AFP 
>> OCR’s the scanned pages, and then brings up a “save” dialog. I use the 
>> default filename of untitled and press export. I then get a dialog asking if 
>> I want to replace the previous Untitled document. I press the “replace” 
>> button and textedit opens with my scan results. I can then do what I like 
>> with the results and close textedit when done.
>> 7, returning to AFP, I find myself in the “untitled” window which contains 
>> tools for selecting areas on the scanned doc, and a lot of stuff I don’t 
>> bother trying to use as it is mostly useful for sighted people. They can 
>> draw borders around tables and other areas for additional scanning etc.
>> 8, Now here’s where you want to set AFP to automatically export the scanned 
>> results to textedit or some other viewing program. Unfortunately, I can’t 
>> seem to find any setting for automatic export either. However, you can 
>> simply press Command + S to start the export process manually. If I’m not 
>> mistaken, auto export/save is not an actual setting from within AFP, but is 
>> done somehow in OS X, telling it to automatically open AFP’s scan results in 
>> textedit. I’m going to look into this because it really bothers me not to 
>> know.
>> I hope this has been somewhat helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: you are currently on a zip file

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You may also like to try cmd-tab to move between open applications and/or 
VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser menu to see what windows are available.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 13:46, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys I had safari, notes, shrook open, got tired of messing around with 
> trying to copy paste things and decided to close all.  And now voiceover says 
> you are currently on a zip file, when I press escape nothing happends, 
> command q does nothing how do I get out of this thing?  By the way the zip 
> file is a voiceover audio file wich I would also like to know how to delete?  
> Please help if you can?? Thanks zoe
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Re: selecting text from one particular point to end

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Another possibility is to set up a smart folder. 

You can set up a smart folder that has the rules folder: retail Age > 2 weeks 
ago.

Then you would be able to just select all and delete every once in a while. I 
certainly do this for the MacVisionaries since otherwise my system gets slow 
syncing all the messages I will never have a chance to read.
MacVisionaiies 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Dec 11, 2014, at 20:36, John Sanfilippo  wrote:

> Try shift plus option plus down arrow, then delete.
>  
> JS
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Christina C.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:11 PM
> Subject: selecting text from one particular point to end
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> How do I select from one row of messages in mail all the way to the last row? 
> In mail, I have a folder/label called bacon and that is where all my mail 
> from retailers go. I periodically go clean out that folder. I pick a date a 
> few weeks from today and then start deleting from there. The problem is that 
> I will sometimes have over a thousand emails. I want to be able to select the 
> rows from a particular date all the way to the end. I know that holding shift 
> will select the rows and I know that fn plus right arrow will take the VO 
> curser all the way to the very last column in the very last row. However, I 
> cannot figure out how to put the two together to select the text all the way 
> to the end/last row.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Christina
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Re: vmware fusion eating the caps lock key

[Phil Halton]

In vmware preferences reached by pressing command + comma, select Keyboard and 
mouse from the toolbar, then select the key remappings tab.
Press “add” to create a new key remap. in the first combo box press the accent 
key, then vo right arrow over to the next combo box.
Here’s where it gets a little tricky, and you might need a sighted person to 
work the mouse.
press VO space to open the combo box and arrow down to caps lock.
You need to mouse click the text of caps lock, but unfortunately, Mouse routing 
is not too accurate in the combo box and sometimes it works and sometimes it 
doesn’t. When I route the mouse the vo cursor, and then try to read what’s 
under the mouse, I get a ding sound and clicking the mouse actually opens the 
Apple menu instead of clicking the word caps lock in the combo box.
If you can get the mouse to click the combo box choice, then uninteract with 
the combo box and verify your choices, then ppress “okay” to complete the key 
remapping.
If you have problems getting the mouse to click the combo box as I do, get 
someone with sight to mouse click the word “caps lock” and that should select 
it. now uninteract and press “okay after verifying the choices.
Make sure “enable key mappings” is checked and you are done.
Now, in your windows or whatever OS, when you press the accent key, VMWare 
should present a caps lock to the VM’s OS instead.

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you please explain how to remap the keys using the within fusion option?
> 
> I want to remap the accent key to be the caps lock key.. I tried this, but 
> somehow managed to screw up and it didn’t work..
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 3:07 AM, Kliph  wrote:
>> 
>> YOu gotta use sharp keys, or remap the keys within fusion settings.
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:19 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to free up the caps lock key os that i can use the apple keyboard in 
>>> the vm rather then juggling 2 keyboards…. Does anyone know why and how to 
>>> free up the caps lock key so that vmware fusion will stop  interrupting the 
>>> keypress
>>> 
>>> 
>>> deedra waters
>>> dee...@the-brannons.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: headphone balance drifts from the center in mac os10 yosemite how can i stop this from happening? kind regards trey.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This is a feature that I had forgotten about. It  lets you know where on the 
Macintosh screen the VoiceOVer cursor is currently located. This can be turned 
off in VoiceOver Utility under the Sounds area there is a checkbox called 
Enable Positional audio 

Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Dec 11, 2014, at 16:52, Trahern Culver  wrote:

> Hi all, recently I have notest that in the latest version of mac os10 
> Yosemite when using head phones the balance of sound drifts towards the rite 
> or left. I have been going to systems prefs and correcting this manually but 
> how can I stop it from happening in the first place? 
> 
> Your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trey.
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Re: Request for resources

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
It is not an easy switch for blind users, and it took me about two weeks to get 
used to my computer. But then, I have been using computers for years. I was 
using computers long before they really had people to do any training with 
them. So good luck to you on learning your new systemThe thing I had the 
hardest trouble with was file management. Once I learned that one, I was good.
Gigi

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> On Dec 15, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I have 
> always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if there are 
> any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn how to best 
> work with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a challenge for 
> me so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> In line
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Not able to access window chooser

[Bobby Druesedow]

Hello:

When I hit the VO  keys and F2 to access window chooser, I hear a percentage of 
brightness. Nothing happens when I do this except for brightness 38% or 
whatever percentage it is set on. Is there something I am doing wrong or a 
setting that I do not have correctly set? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: vmware fusion eating the caps lock key

[Phil Halton]

Okay, a follow up to my previous instructions. At the point where you need to 
mouse click the word caps lock in the combo box, There are two things you can 
do to get past this little glitchy part.
First, instead of routing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO command F5, I have 
found here as in other programs that setting the mouse to follow the vo cursor 
in VO settings works better than trying to route the cursors in the app .
So, before attempting the remap, open VO settings with VO f8, and under 
navigation, set “mouse to follow VoiceOver cursor”.
Now go ahead and do the remap, and when you arrow down to caps lock in the 
combo box, just click the mouse either with the trackpad or vo shift spacebar, 
and then uninteract once or twice to get out of the combo box. I just tried 
this several times and it worked consistently for me.

the other way is to also set VO to announce what is under the mouse in the 
announcements tab of the verbosity settings of VO settings. Do this in addition 
to having the mouse track the VO cursor.
Then, in the remap combo box, press VO Space on the combo box to open it up and 
insert will be at the top of the list. Slowly draw your finger down the 
trackpad and VO will announce each key in the list as you go. When you hear 
“caps lock” about the fifth key in the list, stop and click the mouse.
Now exit the combo box by uninteresting a few times and verify the selections.

Again, I tested these two methods out and they worked consistently for me.
I am using VMWare V7, but it should work for V6 or V5 too. (I remember doing 
this same procedure back when I was using V5).

good luck

  
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> In vmware preferences reached by pressing command + comma, select Keyboard 
> and mouse from the toolbar, then select the key remappings tab.
> Press “add” to create a new key remap. in the first combo box press the 
> accent key, then vo right arrow over to the next combo box.
> Here’s where it gets a little tricky, and you might need a sighted person to 
> work the mouse.
> press VO space to open the combo box and arrow down to caps lock.
> You need to mouse click the text of caps lock, but unfortunately, Mouse 
> routing is not too accurate in the combo box and sometimes it works and 
> sometimes it doesn’t. When I route the mouse the vo cursor, and then try to 
> read what’s under the mouse, I get a ding sound and clicking the mouse 
> actually opens the Apple menu instead of clicking the word caps lock in the 
> combo box.
> If you can get the mouse to click the combo box choice, then uninteract with 
> the combo box and verify your choices, then ppress “okay” to complete the key 
> remapping.
> If you have problems getting the mouse to click the combo box as I do, get 
> someone with sight to mouse click the word “caps lock” and that should select 
> it. now uninteract and press “okay after verifying the choices.
> Make sure “enable key mappings” is checked and you are done.
> Now, in your windows or whatever OS, when you press the accent key, VMWare 
> should present a caps lock to the VM’s OS instead.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you please explain how to remap the keys using the within fusion option?
>> 
>> I want to remap the accent key to be the caps lock key.. I tried this, but 
>> somehow managed to screw up and it didn’t work..
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 3:07 AM, Kliph  wrote:
>>> 
>>> YOu gotta use sharp keys, or remap the keys within fusion settings.
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:19 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
 
 I need to free up the caps lock key os that i can use the apple keyboard 
 in the vm rather then juggling 2 keyboards…. Does anyone know why and how 
 to free up the caps lock key so that vmware fusion will stop  interrupting 
 the keypress
 
 
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 dee...@the-brannons.com
 
 
 
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Re: Not able to access window chooser

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
you are not hitting VO f2 then. the VO keys are option command held down 
together. I believe you are hitting the function key by mistake.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> When I hit the VO  keys and F2 to access window chooser, I hear a percentage 
> of brightness. Nothing happens when I do this except for brightness 38% or 
> whatever percentage it is set on. Is there something I am doing wrong or a 
> setting that I do not have correctly set? Any help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
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Re: Not able to access window chooser

[Phil Halton]

If you have not set your  FKeys to act as software function keys in system 
preferences, then you’ll also need to hold down the function key along with the 
F2 and VO keys.
This is done in system preferences/Keyboard/keyboard tab. Arrow right to the 
button that says “use all f1, f2 etc keys as standard function keys” and check 
it. Now, The FKeys will act as software function keys, and you must add the 
function key to the FKey in order to perform the associated hardware function 
(brightness volume etc).

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> you are not hitting VO f2 then. the VO keys are option command held down 
> together. I believe you are hitting the function key by mistake.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> When I hit the VO  keys and F2 to access window chooser, I hear a percentage 
>> of brightness. Nothing happens when I do this except for brightness 38% or 
>> whatever percentage it is set on. Is there something I am doing wrong or a 
>> setting that I do not have correctly set? Any help would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> 
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Trouble with tab key and appearing to lose focus

[Bobby Druesedow]

Hello:

This will be the last question I asked today. I think everyone for their quick 
responses and being patient with my learning curve.

It seems that I can navigate okay using the tav key sometime and then I lose 
the tav key functionality. This seems to happen the most when I am trying to 
navigate through text messages or in email. For I wow, I am able to type in the 
text fields and then it seems that I may be hitting a wrong key combination 
which loses focus on the text field and the keyboard will no longer type. 
Without the tav I can't seem to get the cursor back where I need it in order to 
type. When I do hear text field the cursor doesn't seem to be there and when I 
try to type nothing is entered. Any help with this one would be greatly 
appreciated. Thanks.


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scanning software for the mack

[becky sabo]

Hi all,
I was wondering if there is a accessible scanning software like open book or 
kurzweil for the mack ?  If so where do I fine that app or software ?  Any help 
would be great.
Sincerely 
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Re: Trouble with tab key and appearing to lose focus

[Faisal ali]

Hi,
I assume you mean the Tab key? you wrote Tav but think that might've been a 
dictation error.
Its a little difficult to diagnose your issue as there sin’t much information 
to work with but I should probably mention that the tab key by default will 
interact with tables and other intractable areas. I’m not sure if this is your 
issue or not but its certainly worth mentioning.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> This will be the last question I asked today. I think everyone for their 
> quick responses and being patient with my learning curve.
> 
> It seems that I can navigate okay using the tav key sometime and then I lose 
> the tav key functionality. This seems to happen the most when I am trying to 
> navigate through text messages or in email. For I wow, I am able to type in 
> the text fields and then it seems that I may be hitting a wrong key 
> combination which loses focus on the text field and the keyboard will no 
> longer type. Without the tav I can't seem to get the cursor back where I need 
> it in order to type. When I do hear text field the cursor doesn't seem to be 
> there and when I try to type nothing is entered. Any help with this one would 
> be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 
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RE: actually now everything is dinging

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi david, vo f2 did nothing so I tried the command option escape, the 2 items 
in the table were shrook and finder.  I selected shrook and it gave me a force 
quit and I did it.  Still the same thing no matter what key I clicked I would 
hear a ding, so I went back and now selected finder but for finder it only gave 
me cancel and relaunch I chose relaunch.  It didn’t solve the problem.  My 
husband came home and using the mouse he was able to click on the apple menu on 
the left hand corner and we chose restart.but still the dings I can’t use any 
command on the keyboard.  What do I do now?  
 
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Subject: Re: actually now everything is dinging
 
In these circumstances it is worth checking Window Chooser to make sure that 
there is not an alert window somewhere which is demanding your attention.
Unfortunatley not every window announces itself when it opens on the Mac.
Hit VO F2 twice to bring Window Chooser  up.
Alternatively you may just have an application that has crashed. This happens 
far less on the mac than on Windows but this does happen. Try hitting command 
option escape and then in the force quit window which comes up interact with 
the table of open applications and  see if any 
are not responding. If any app is causing a problem you can force it to quit 
from this window.
 
David Griffith  
On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:09, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
 
Ok guys now I’m in trouble no matter what keys I click no matter if I flick on 
the trackpad all I hear is a ding and nothing else, when I say nothing else I 
don’t mean voiceover is not speaking I mean I hit vo d and instead of hearing 
doc safari for example I hear just a ding what’s going on now?
 
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Re: actually now everything is dinging

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In the future, when using the Force Quit dialog, don’t do anything with the 
Finder, it will likely just get you into an unwanted problem.  For now, to get 
you back up and running, press and hold down the power button for about 10 
seconds.  This will force shutdown your Mac.  Wait 10 to 20 seconds then press 
the power button normally to turn your Mac back on.  Everything should be back 
to normal again.  Wasn’t really following this thread, so, I’m not sure what 
caused your issue, but this is very uncharacteristic.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 20:10, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi david, vo f2 did nothing so I tried the command option escape, the 2 items 
> in the table were shrook and finder.  I selected shrook and it gave me a 
> force quit and I did it.  Still the same thing no matter what key I clicked I 
> would hear a ding, so I went back and now selected finder but for finder it 
> only gave me cancel and relaunchI chose relaunch.  It didn’t solve the 
> problem.  My husband came home and using the mouse he was able to click on 
> the apple menu on the left hand corner and we chose restart.but still the 
> dings I can’t use any command on the keyboard.  What do I do now?  
>  
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>  
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> ] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: December-15-14 4:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: actually now everything is dinging
>  
> In these circumstances it is worth checking Window Chooser to make sure that 
> there is not an alert window somewhere which is demanding your attention.
> Unfortunatley not every window announces itself when it opens on the Mac.
> Hit VO F2 twice to bring Window Chooser  up.
> Alternatively you may just have an application that has crashed. This happens 
> far less on the mac than on Windows but this does happen. Try hitting command 
> option escape and then in the force quit window which comes up interact with 
> the table of open applications and  see if 
> any are not responding. If any app is causing a problem you can force it to 
> quit from this window.
>  
> David Griffith  
>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 21:09, Zoe Fiogkos > > wrote:
>>  
>> Ok guys now I’m in trouble no matter what keys I click no matter if I flick 
>> on the trackpad all I hear is a ding and nothing else, when I say nothing 
>> else I don’t mean voiceover is not speaking I mean I hit vo d and instead of 
>> hearing doc safari for example I hear just a ding what’s going on now?
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Re: Request for resources

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I’m enjoying the voiceover book in the iBooks store. It’s free.
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Have you visited www.applevis.com  yet? They have a 
> page specifically for those new to the Mac, with podcasts and written 
> articles on everything from VoiceOver basics to using Finder to Safari and 
> more.
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Bobby Druesedow > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I have recently switched to using a MacBook Pro running Yosemite OS X. I 
>> have always used windows in the past with jaws. I would like to know if 
>> there are any good podcast or written resources that I can use to learn how 
>> to best work with this newoperating system. It seems to be a bit of a 
>> challenge for me so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> In line
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putting captions on photos

[Jean]

Hello All:

I want to put captions and titles on photos, maps and/or other files that are 
currently in jpg format.  What is the best way to do this?  I thought about 
doing it in keynote then exporting them as pdf although I really want them to 
end up as jpg files.  What other ways are there to do this?

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