Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, What is Rumola and how do you get to it?
/Krister
2 dec 2012 kl. 02:04 skrev Jessica Moss :

> It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert 
> sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got to 
> the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Rumola
>> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Mauricio Almeida]

hello there,

you have to go to
http://skipinput.com
there, they will let you try the service a few times with some free credits 
after you follow the instructions, then if you like it you pay a very small fee 
for extra credits.

enjoy and let m know if you need extra help

Mauricio
On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi, What is Rumola and how do you get to it?
> /Krister
> 2 dec 2012 kl. 02:04 skrev Jessica Moss :
> 
>> It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert 
>> sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got to 
>> the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>> Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Rumola
>>> 
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Re: Selecting contiguous items

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Teresa. 
Thanks for your help on this. I finally figured out that I could get it to work 
only if I went into list view with command 2. I usually keep mine in column 
view in Finder, and I am finding it doesn't work very well at all in column 
view. I had done the interacting before, but had not gotten into list view. You 
gave me the hint I needed. 

Regards, 
Gigi

On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Gigi,
> 
> This process works best in finder or in a web list box. Here's a seemingly 
> obvious question: are you interacting with the list box or folder list or 
> what-have-you *before you press command-VO-space the first time? This is the 
> only step in the process I can think of that's missing.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, sometimes when I am trying to select items noncontinuously I run into 
>> this really frustrating issue. I press VO command space and the thing gets 
>> unselected. Then I press it again and it reselects it like you said. 
>> However, once I try to press VO down arrow, I can't go to the next item so 
>> that I can press VO command space again or go down to the next one. So, I 
>> never get down the list. The manual says to turn cursor tracking off, but 
>> that didn't work either. I am not sure this makes sense, but doing this 
>> particular procedure has driven me crazy. IO got it to work once, but I 
>> can't get it to work every time. So what am I doing wrong here? 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> To add a couple mor important notes here, When pressing VO-Command-Space on 
>>> the first item selection, it will actually unselect it so press same keys a 
>>> second time and then you will hear VO tell you that it was added to the 
>>> selection.  Then when moving up or down the list to find something else, be 
>>> sure and use the VO-Arrow keys; otherwise, you will lose the accumulated 
>>> selections.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>>> 
 you need to interact with the list or column.
 then press control+option+comand space to select.
 Then move to the next and continue.
 
 On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
> Thanks, what if I wish to select every second item? How would I do that?
> Thanks again.
> Max.
> On 29/11/2012, at 9:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Simply hold down the shift key while arrowing up or down and everything 
>> will be selected.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-11-28, at 3:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all, I know I have seen this asked before but I don't remember 
>>> the answer.
>>> How do I select contiguous items? 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max.
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Hi the only problem i found with those is the chord is way too short lol I'm 
using a usb headset here with a mini and i'[ts working well 
regards
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On 02/12/2012, at 12:18 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi
> The Apple ear pods and older ear buds contain a mic and this works perfectly 
> on the Mac. I just plug the headset into my earphone jack, and the mic 
> automatically gets used by Skype or Facetime. If you're not bothered about 
> quality then these ear pods might do the trick for you.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 1/12/2012, at 6:36 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
>> Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when chatting 
>> on the Skype.
>> But sounds it's not that simple to do!
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Re: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Alex Hall]

Yes it does, but be careful. There are two types of DVI, type d and type i. It 
seems a lot of cables are one type, while that adapter is the other type. I 
don't remember which is which, so if you plan to use DVI make sure you look it 
up and have a matching cable.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Angelo"  wrote:

> It does come with a HDMI to DVI converter.
> hth
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: video connections for new 2012 mac mini
> 
> Only HDMI on the one I have, oh and thunder bolt of course.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:10 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: video connections for new 2012 mac mini
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for
> video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.
> 
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Re: iTunes Match

[Alex Hall]

You can, especially if you have an iPod and want to listen somewhere you don't 
have wifi. The big thing with Match is that it upgrades all your songs to the 
highest-quality version it can, and it makes them available on all your devices 
with no syncing necessary. Nothing says you still can't sync to have local 
copies stored, but you can also download artists or albums (but not individual 
songs) through the service right to your device.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Oh, ok.
> So if you use itunes match you don't put music on your device? 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Let me correct a few things. If you're running iOS 6 or later, the songs
>> aren't downloaded, but streamed. However, there's currently no way to
>> download individual tracks, only albums or playlists.
>> Second, the limit for non-iTunes store tracks is 25000, which can't be
>> changed.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:54 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iTunes Match
>> 
>> Stacy,
>> 
>> Essentially, iTunes Match allows you to upload your music to the cloud and
>> have access to it via the cloud.
>> 
>> When you decide to listen to a song, it's downloaded to your device and
>> played.
>> 
>> The match part of it is that when you upload your lib, iTunes Match will
>> find the best recording of that particular song and artist and give you
>> access to it.
>> 
>> It's an annual subscription, and I think the first $24.99 covers 25000
>> songs.
>> 
>> Look here for more information.
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/itunes/itunes-match/
>> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being solved.  
There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember how we did it.

Mauricio? lol.
God Bless! Maria from australia
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On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert 
> sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got to 
> the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Rumola
>> 
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activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)

[Alex Hall]

The problem I found with activitiies is that they cause app switching to take a 
relatively long time. For instance, I used to have an activity that would 
enable quicknav whenever I entered an application that uses html, like Safari 
or the App Store. However, I quickly found that when I switched to or away from 
any of those apps, it took a second or two, instead of being immediate. I soon 
discovered that, for me, the delay was more frustrating than manually enabling 
quicknav when I want it, so I removed the activities. Maybe I did something 
wrong, though. If you have a way to use activities that are tied to apps with 
no delay, I'd be very interested. Any help I can get with hotspots would be 
welcomed as well, as I never really understood them and I hear others say they 
disappear and aren't worth it.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

> Hey, if you still need help with this let me know off list, considerring... 
> well... you know... what I said earlier...
>  
> I'd be happy to help you if so.
>  Otherwise you can check my podcast at:
>  
> http://clgproductions.podhoster.com
>  
> where I will be later posting a tutorial on using activities, how to set them 
> up, and also how to use them in combination with hotspots.  You kind a lucked 
> out on this freeby as I actually ironically was going to make a podcast 
> anyway about this, before you even presented the initial question.
>  
> Anyway, past that if you need more direct interactive help, my e-mail is:
>  
> clgillan...@gmail.com
>  
> and I'll be happy to work with you if needed.  I'd suspect the podcast to be 
> available probably within the next couple of days.  I need to do some 
> editting in ProTools with it, but for what it's worth, it shouldn't be that 
> much longer.  Also, if you go to that site now, don't be alarmed that there 
> is no posting there right now.  I've not started yet, so this probably will 
> be my first eppisode.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
>  
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message -
> From: Christina C.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: easy way to use iMessage on mac
> 
> Oh Thanks so much. Christopher, what in the world is a "message activity?" 
> What is an activity? I know nothing of this? Where can I learn about this? 
> Colin, I like that idea and I will experiment with that. I will try that 
> shortly by getting hubby to chat with me via iMessage. :)
> 
> 
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
> 
> 
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Re: Zello Applevis Passowrd

[Alex Hall]

It is zellovis, with no caps or spaces. That's zello, like the app, then vis, 
like the second part of AppleVis.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have tried recently connected to the Apple Vis group via Zello.
> However, it is requesting I input a password. Does anyone know how I would 
> obtain this, or who I would contact?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Hi will this only work with a built in camera?  would it work if i got a cheap 
usb web cam?


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On 01/12/2012, at 12:07 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I 
> have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
> do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature will 
> become available on Idevices in a future
> software update.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a 
> future version of the software, though.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or just 
> the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
> feature. Thanks for sharing!
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> The title says it all.
>   I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in 
> both may find this helpful.
>   There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem 
> gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
> any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
>   Check out a little more here.
> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

[Alex Hall]

I hear it works on any camera the computer can use, so a webcam should do fine. 
I can't confirm this, though, so you may want to google it to be sure before 
spending money.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  wrote:

> Hi will this only work with a built in camera?  would it work if i got a 
> cheap usb web cam?
> 
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/12/2012, at 12:07 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I 
>> have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
>> do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature 
>> will become available on Idevices in a future
>> software update.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>> 
>> Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a 
>> future version of the software, though.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>> 
>> Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or 
>> just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
>> feature. Thanks for sharing!
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>> 
>> The title says it all.
>>  I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in 
>> both may find this helpful.
>>  There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem 
>> gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
>> any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
>>  Check out a little more here.
>> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

yep i will.  if anyone tries this in the meatime would you plese report to the 
list?

thanks 
Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

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On 02/12/2012, at 11:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I hear it works on any camera the computer can use, so a webcam should do 
> fine. I can't confirm this, though, so you may want to google it to be sure 
> before spending money.
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi will this only work with a built in camera?  would it work if i got a 
>> cheap usb web cam?
>> 
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/12/2012, at 12:07 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. 
>>> I have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
>>> do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature 
>>> will become available on Idevices in a future
>>> software update.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a 
>>> future version of the software, though.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>>> 
>>> Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or 
>>> just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
>>> feature. Thanks for sharing!
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>>> 
>>> The title says it all.
>>> I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in 
>>> both may find this helpful.
>>> There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem 
>>> gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
>>> any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
>>> Check out a little more here.
>>> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Ricardo Walker]

Ah!  Ok.  Thank you all for this info.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yes it does, but be careful. There are two types of DVI, type d and type i. 
> It seems a lot of cables are one type, while that adapter is the other type. 
> I don't remember which is which, so if you plan to use DVI make sure you look 
> it up and have a matching cable.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Angelo"  wrote:
> 
>> It does come with a HDMI to DVI converter.
>> hth
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton.A.M
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: video connections for new 2012 mac mini
>> 
>> Only HDMI on the one I have, oh and thunder bolt of course.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:10 PM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: video connections for new 2012 mac mini
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for
>> video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi
I am running Windows 8 Pro with latest build of NVDA on my Mac Pro in a vm 
fusion 5. It does teh job, but is pretty slow at times and hangs once in a 
while. Specs of my Mac are Intel Xeon 2.8ghz, 8gb ram and an Intel 520 series 
240gb ssd. 
Although nvda most importantly is free and doable I rather work on Windows 7 
and Jaws on my bootcamp side of thins. I just installed the trial version of 
Jaws 14 and will be finding out how that works. Problem is when it dows work 
better I still wont be buying it, cause I have to upgrade from my version 11 to 
version 12 and 13 first to get 14. Ridiculous to say the least.
regards,
Ronald


Op 1 dec. 2012, om 22:47 heeft Maxwell Ivey  het volgende 
geschreven:

> hello; now that's an interesting approach buying a computer like a car 
> picking one that has to last you at least five years.  i think because of the 
> fact that so many of us blind people are on budgets and have to pay for this 
> stuff ourselves that we far too often go for too little computer thinking 
> more about this month or year than what would be best long term.  i know i 
> did when i bought my macbook pro this spring.  i should have went with an SSD 
> drive.  I should have went with more ram.  at the very least i should have 
> went for the 700 GB hard drive.  have fun with your computer. let me know how 
> windows 8 and NVDA work out.  I've been thinking about running windows on 
> mine for a while now. take care, max 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.
>> 
>> Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the 
>> third time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is 
>> concerned.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Kawal,
>>> Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are 
>>> goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for 
>>> example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why 
>>> doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable 
>>> prices now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering 
>>> an iMac too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at 
>>> all. I now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new 
>>> design, so I will be waiting for that at least.
>>> In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
>>> bestD
>>> Ronald
>>>  
>>> Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
 Hello All.
 
 For those of you are interested, read on.
 
 Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
 world hasn't ended before then.
 
 The information is listed below.
 
> 27-inch iMac
> £2,950.84
> 1
> £2,950.84
> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
> Part Number: Z0MS
> With the following configuration:
> •
> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
> •
> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
> •
> 768GB Flash Storage
> •
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
> •
> Magic Trackpad
> •
> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
> •
> Pages
> •
> Numbers
> •
> Keynote
> •
> Accessory Kit
> 
> 
> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
> thank for helping me to this decision.
> 
> 
> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 
> 24 days early,
> 
> 
> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want 
> to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
> 
> 
> Kawal.
 
 
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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Ricardo Walker]

When you tried to perform the triple press of home, did your mother, sister, or 
a person at the place where they bought there device already set it up?  If so, 
this is probably why Voiceover didn't come on when you tried triple pressing 
the home button.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I hope it does work then. My mom got an iPhone5, and my friend and sister 
> both got the 4s, and triple click home did nothing on any of them. Yes, it is 
> supposed to be enabled by default, but experience has shown me that it is not 
> always actually done that way.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks dave,
>> I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:
>> 
>>> Stacy,
>>> 
>>> Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
>>> 
>>> It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
>>> 
>>> When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
>>> 
>>> Dave
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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Dave]

Correct.

If the phone is configured as a standard device that doesn't use VO, then 
Triple click home is not configured by default.


The triple click has to be the first thing you do on the device after the 
screen comes up.


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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hello,

I think this is due to a miss understanding of How, why, and when 
enabling/disabling Voiceover becomes the default action when triple press of 
home is used.  For example, you said your friend does not use voiceover.  This 
means, they did not use Voiceover to set up their iPad.  If this indeed the 
case, they would have to manually go into accessibility settings and enable 
Voiceover in triple press of home.  Since they are not a VO user, this probably 
was never done.  They just turned on VO for you, and handed you the iPad as is. 
 But, if they were a VO user, and in the initial setup they triple pressed 
home, Voiceover would have came on.  And, it would have automatically been set 
as the default action when triple press of home was used.  

Many people have there devices setup in stores by sighted people.  When this is 
done, Someone will have to turn on Voiceover for you or, you enable Voiceover 
with iTunes on your computer.  A triple press of home will not work.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I actually noticed that myself, so glad I'm not alone.  I just found out a 
> friend. Of mine has an IPad which she's still learning to use, and doesn't 
> use VoiceOver.  I've never used an IPad before so got frustrated with it 
> quickly, especialy when I somehow turned the speech off and triple clicking 
> the home button didn't fix anything.
> 
> Sent from" my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I hope it does work then. My mom got an iPhone5, and my friend and sister 
>> both got the 4s, and triple click home did nothing on any of them. Yes, it 
>> is supposed to be enabled by default, but experience has shown me that it is 
>> not always actually done that way.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks dave,
>>> I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:
>>> 
 Stacy,
 
 Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
 
 It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
 
 When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
 
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helping a blind friend get technology

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi y'all
I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close to 
it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have agreed 
we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston where she 
lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because she can't get 
training because of you know why and has limited computer skills now. Money is 
an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for her for what she can do. 

If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training and 
go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this for 
VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we can get 
someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some extra 
effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac Mini and 
the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a situation 
like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on her blind 
friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think this lady can 
take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the iPhone because I 
don't think she could keep up, given her current computer knowledge. This lady 
is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 21st century because she 
is seeing a need for email. 

Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 

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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

[Daniel Miller]

Also, I believe it's only available in certain countries.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

 

yep i will.  if anyone tries this in the meatime would you plese report to
the list?

 

thanks 

Maria Chapman

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On 02/12/2012, at 11:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:





I hear it works on any camera the computer can use, so a webcam should do
fine. I can't confirm this, though, so you may want to google it to be sure
before spending money.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman 
wrote:





Hi will this only work with a built in camera?  would it work if i got a
cheap usb web cam?

 

 

God Bless! Maria from australia

 Newbie mac user.

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will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   

skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 

 

 

 

 

 

 





 

On 01/12/2012, at 12:07 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:





Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I
have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature
will become available on Idevices in a future
software update.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  ] On
Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a
future version of the software, though.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  ] On
Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or
just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
feature. Thanks for sharing!
Missy

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  ] On
Behalf Of Mike M
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties
in both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to
redeem gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Oh that' be right lol 
regards
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On 03/12/2012, at 12:05 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Also, I believe it’s only available in certain countries.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
>  
> yep i will.  if anyone tries this in the meatime would you plese report to 
> the list?
>  
> thanks 
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
>  
> On 02/12/2012, at 11:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> I hear it works on any camera the computer can use, so a webcam should do 
> fine. I can't confirm this, though, so you may want to google it to be sure 
> before spending money.
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi will this only work with a built in camera?  would it work if i got a 
> cheap usb web cam?
>  
>  
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On 01/12/2012, at 12:07 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I 
> have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
> do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature will 
> become available on Idevices in a future
> software update.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a 
> future version of the software, though.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or just 
> the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
> feature. Thanks for sharing!
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> The title says it all.
> I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties 
> in both may find this helpful.
> There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to 
> redeem gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
> any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
> Check out a little more here.
> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mike
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Re: Radio App for Mac

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Hi i have the same question I don't think there is but would love to be 
corrected if i'm wrong.  there is www.tunein.com
this is pretty good.

hope this helps.

 
God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
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will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 









On 29/11/2012, at 8:24 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> do you know of a good usable online radio app for the Mac? I want to listen 
> to a lot of radio station which are not listed in iTunes. It's also not 
> possible to add them to iTunes as a Stream. Actually I used Mini Radio but to 
> me it seems not to be the best solution. Do you know of an easy to use online 
> radio app that is accessible with VO?
> 
> Thanks and 
> all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Stacey Robinson]

That helps so much.
Thanks,
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Yes. When you check the Compilation checkbox when importing a CD the iTunes 
> creates the folder with the name of the compilation instead of the artist. It 
> shows up in your Media folder under Compilations.
> 
> For example, your Hits of the 80s compilation might contain Men at Work, 
> Sade, toto and Banana Rama, but when compilation is checked, the folder "Hits 
> of the 80s" is created under Compilations.
> 
> As an aside, I've rarely needed to manage media in the Finder unless I'm 
> copying songs to a USB key for work.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Kevin
> 
> On 2012-12-01, at 10:12 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it was a soundtrack from a musical. I didn't look to see if the box was 
>> checked.
>> Would that change how it imports things?
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on 
>>> the disc when you imported?
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version 
 of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song 
 according to artist in folders of their own.
 With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this 
 a bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
 I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
 Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
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Re: Radio App for Mac

[Jessica Moss]

Ok may be a little Late coming in on this one but has anyone had any luck with 
slacker?  I can use it on my IPhone perfectly but the player on the Mac seems 
to be pretty inaccessible.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  wrote:

> Hi i have the same question I don't think there is but would love to be 
> corrected if i'm wrong.  there is www.tunein.com
> this is pretty good.
> 
> hope this helps.
> 
>  
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/11/2012, at 8:24 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> do you know of a good usable online radio app for the Mac? I want to listen 
>> to a lot of radio station which are not listed in iTunes. It's also not 
>> possible to add them to iTunes as a Stream. Actually I used Mini Radio but 
>> to me it seems not to be the best solution. Do you know of an easy to use 
>> online radio app that is accessible with VO?
>> 
>> Thanks and 
>> all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Jessica Moss]

It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  wrote:

> HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being solved.  
> There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember how we did it.
> 
> Mauricio? lol.
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert 
>> sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got to 
>> the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Rumola
>>> 
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Re: Radio App for Mac

[erik burggraaf]

I've tried a few mac radio players.  They are all pretty useless from what I've 
seen.

Best,

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On 2012-12-02, at 9:47 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Ok may be a little Late coming in on this one but has anyone had any luck 
> with slacker?  I can use it on my IPhone perfectly but the player on the Mac 
> seems to be pretty inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi i have the same question I don't think there is but would love to be 
>> corrected if i'm wrong.  there is www.tunein.com
>> this is pretty good.
>> 
>> hope this helps.
>> 
>>  
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/11/2012, at 8:24 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> do you know of a good usable online radio app for the Mac? I want to listen 
>>> to a lot of radio station which are not listed in iTunes. It's also not 
>>> possible to add them to iTunes as a Stream. Actually I used Mini Radio but 
>>> to me it seems not to be the best solution. Do you know of an easy to use 
>>> online radio app that is accessible with VO?
>>> 
>>> Thanks and 
>>> all the best
>>> Jürgen
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Re: activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)

[Mark Baxter]

The lag when switching apps only gets worse if you choose a different voice, 
and it's the one single drawback to Activities, which is otherwise an extremely 
powerful way to use VO.  I have, now, two activities; the normal one, which I 
use for everything except messaging clients.  I use AIM instead of Messages, as 
I was having problems getting messages to read, and only use AIM and SKype 
regularly--who needs more than two IM clients? sheesh.  So, for these two apps, 
I use Alex, who is slightly louder than Fred for some reason.  I slow him down 
a bit, as Fred can speak very quickly and I can still understand him, but other 
voices this is not so much true.  I turn off all the elements of cursor 
tracking (There is no way to just turn cursor tracking off, except with a 
manual keystroke, but you *CAN* go through and uncheck all the boxes that say 
"VoiceOver cursor follows …" whatever, same beastie in the end..  Then, I park 
my message client's VO cursors in the HTML content window (leaving the 
insertion pointer in the edit boxes).  It sounds complicated but once it's all 
set up it's just a few keystrokes.

This is just one way to use Activities.  I've written to 
accessibil...@apple.com to suggest at least one or two others; activities which 
could come "preset," with VO, but which might really help when using a new app 
for the first time or whatever.  That lag, though, I think is just a processor 
hard limit, and will be better or worse depending on how much RAM you have.

Don't let this lag dissuade you from using Activities to customize VO and make 
it even more flexible than it already is.,


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 • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Mark Baxter]

GIGI:

Not to shamelessly promote and use the list for ad space, but I work for one 
organization, and am planning to set up my own similar organization soon, which 
trains blind persons on Mac and IOS devices.  Check out
www.blindaccesstraining.com
and see if one of our trainers may be able to help.


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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Jessica Moss]

Is there any way to keep them from constantly resurfacing every time I delete 
them then relaunch mail?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to see 
> given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the other 
> "folders" are really just messages with that label.
> 
> To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move them 
> to the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move to Trash 
> when a Delete key is pressed.
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
>> reason all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there 
>> every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete 
>> it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix 
>> this?
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RE: activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)

[Kliphton . A . M]

Even before I got my SSD, I didn't experience lag in voices when I had
different voices set up for different activities.  AS for using iMessage,
just set up a commander to go to the beginning and, and then just inter act
with the HTML section when reading and replying to messages, works like a
charm for me!

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)

The lag when switching apps only gets worse if you choose a different voice,
and it's the one single drawback to Activities, which is otherwise an
extremely powerful way to use VO.  I have, now, two activities; the normal
one, which I use for everything except messaging clients.  I use AIM instead
of Messages, as I was having problems getting messages to read, and only use
AIM and SKype regularly--who needs more than two IM clients? sheesh.  So,
for these two apps, I use Alex, who is slightly louder than Fred for some
reason.  I slow him down a bit, as Fred can speak very quickly and I can
still understand him, but other voices this is not so much true.  I turn off
all the elements of cursor tracking (There is no way to just turn cursor
tracking off, except with a manual keystroke, but you *CAN* go through and
uncheck all the boxes that say "VoiceOver cursor follows ." whatever, same
beastie in the end..  Then, I park my message client's VO cursors in the
HTML content window (leaving the insertion pointer in the edit boxes).  It
sounds complicated but once it's all set up it's just a few keystrokes.

This is just one way to use Activities.  I've written to
accessibil...@apple.com to suggest at least one or two others; activities
which could come "preset," with VO, but which might really help when using a
new app for the first time or whatever.  That lag, though, I think is just a
processor hard limit, and will be better or worse depending on how much RAM
you have.

Don't let this lag dissuade you from using Activities to customize VO and
make it even more flexible than it already is.,


 . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
 . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: iCloud question

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

The applications will be waiting for you in the Application Store.  Just login 
and switch over to "Updates" tab.  Under the Updates tab is a purchased tab.  I 
also once listened to a podcast describing how to use iTunes to move 
applications to the new IOS device.  It could be that just plugging your iPad 
mini into your computer while iTunes is running will be sufficient and it will 
ask you if you want to transfer all your applications to the new system.

Best of luck!

Jonathan

 
On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Hi all,
> When iCloud first came out, I set up an account before I ever had my mac 
> computer running snowleopard.
> Today, I backed up
> my phone to this iCloud account.
> I know I can't use iCloud with sl but I will be getting an iPad mini for 
> Christmas. How can I get the apps and things that are on my phone onto the 
> iPad using iCloud?
> Thanks,
> Stacey
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Steve Holmes]

Webvism is a firefox plug-in so it will work with any platform that firefox 
runs on.  I have used it on both Windows and Linux personally and I have read 
here where Mac users have done it with the Mac version of firefox.  Wonder how 
hard it would be to write a safari plugin for webvism.

Oh, while I'm here, it does seem conceptually unfair that blind people need to 
pay extra to solve a CAPTCHA when their sighted counterparts pay nothing.  But 
then like in Brandon's case, he has to cover expenses to deliver his service.  
We nearly lost webvism earlier this year presumably when the domain expired or 
something.  I would gladly support webvism if I could get a better handle on 
who just actually owns the service.  I don't like to give money to some unknown 
entity that might disappear in a moment's notice.

Also, people defended the pricing models used by companies like Freedom 
Scientific or Humanware.  Well, that's the problem with being blindness 
specific.  Their prices are way over the top! Apple includes VoiceOver in all 
machines and I personally doubt the price increased by much at all to include 
this feature.  Macs have always been more expensive than others so it was 
probablyh easier to add extra a11y stuff with a minimal increase in price which 
was shared across the whole product line and all customers.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being solved. 
>>  There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember how we did it.
>> 
>> Mauricio? lol.
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert 
>>> sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got 
>>> to the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
 
 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
> Rumola
 
 
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More concerning the new album details RE: itunes 11 is out

[Marcia Yale]

Adding to this thread--I have the same issue and also the slight annoyance
of hearing "album track" spoken by VoiceOver every time the song changes.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over to the
list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press VO-Space, and
VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO over to where it says
Album tracks. I interact again.  There's obviously a grid there, but all I
hear is "Blank, Text".
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
> same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
>> something if you'd like?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
 will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
 then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album 
 tracks
>> grid.
 Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
 the interface makes a lot of sense.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but 
 I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> There's an album track grid.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
> Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Hi,
> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, 
> i do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, 
> but i want
 to know this.
> /Krister
> 
> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
> 
>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
 buttons.
> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>> Original message:
>>> You can switch to list view.
>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
 is a way
> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
> way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long
> list.
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
 
> wrote:
>> 
> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck.

Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Marc Sutton]

When and where does that compilation checkbox occur? When I import cd's i just 
get a dialog asking whether or not i want to do so.
Marc

On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:42 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> That helps so much.
> Thanks,
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Yes. When you check the Compilation checkbox when importing a CD the iTunes 
>> creates the folder with the name of the compilation instead of the artist. 
>> It shows up in your Media folder under Compilations.
>> 
>> For example, your Hits of the 80s compilation might contain Men at Work, 
>> Sade, toto and Banana Rama, but when compilation is checked, the folder 
>> "Hits of the 80s" is created under Compilations.
>> 
>> As an aside, I've rarely needed to manage media in the Finder unless I'm 
>> copying songs to a USB key for work.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Kevin
>> 
>> On 2012-12-01, at 10:12 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it was a soundtrack from a musical. I didn't look to see if the box 
>>> was checked.
>>> Would that change how it imports things?
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>> 
 Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on 
 the disc when you imported?
 
 Kevin
 
 On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest 
> version of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song 
> according to artist in folders of their own.
> With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this 
> a bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
> I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
> Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
> Thanks,
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Re: iCloud question

[Stacey Robinson]

I'm really looking forward to it.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> The applications will be waiting for you in the Application Store.  Just 
> login and switch over to "Updates" tab.  Under the Updates tab is a purchased 
> tab.  I also once listened to a podcast describing how to use iTunes to move 
> applications to the new IOS device.  It could be that just plugging your iPad 
> mini into your computer while iTunes is running will be sufficient and it 
> will ask you if you want to transfer all your applications to the new system.
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> When iCloud first came out, I set up an account before I ever had my mac 
>> computer running snowleopard.
>> Today, I backed up
>> my phone to this iCloud account.
>> I know I can't use iCloud with sl but I will be getting an iPad mini for 
>> Christmas. How can I get the apps and things that are on my phone onto the 
>> iPad using iCloud?
>> Thanks,
>> Stacey
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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Steve Holmes]

Boy, this is hard to explain off the top of my head but you need to set Mail to 
move deleted messages to the Trash folder used by Gmail and not by Mail on your 
local machine.  Let me find a link to a well-written article on how to set up 
Mail with IMAP and specifically Gmail.  It goes into linking the trash and spam 
folders in Apple mail with those used by gmail.  Once mail goes into the 
[Gmail]/Trash, those messages should be gone from the All Mail folder.  Try 
this link below.

http://tidbits.com/article/10253
Look for a level 2 header to start reading the relevant part.  HTH.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> Is there any way to keep them from constantly resurfacing every time I delete 
> them then relaunch mail?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to see 
>> given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the other 
>> "folders" are really just messages with that label.
>> 
>> To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move them 
>> to the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move to Trash 
>> when a Delete key is pressed.
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
>>> reason all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there 
>>> every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete 
>>> it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix 
>>> this?
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Scott Davert]

Chris:
I don't think it's fare to criticize Brandon, it's not like he is the
one demanding that you solve catpchas for creating accounts and
whatever other things you need to do to be productive. He's offering
the solution to a problem that currently has no other solution for the
Mac. If you can develop one for free that provides access to captchas,
I'm sure people will migrate to it if it's as usable. Or, you could
run boot camp on your mac, install firefox and webvisum, and off you
go.
I think you're jumping way ahead of yourself here, and your response
of not offering to help others just because they disagree with you is
quite childish. If you're going to respectfully agree to disagree,
such an action would certainly not be consistent with that.

Scott

On 12/2/12, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> Webvism is a firefox plug-in so it will work with any platform that firefox
> runs on.  I have used it on both Windows and Linux personally and I have
> read here where Mac users have done it with the Mac version of firefox.
> Wonder how hard it would be to write a safari plugin for webvism.
>
> Oh, while I'm here, it does seem conceptually unfair that blind people need
> to pay extra to solve a CAPTCHA when their sighted counterparts pay nothing.
>  But then like in Brandon's case, he has to cover expenses to deliver his
> service.  We nearly lost webvism earlier this year presumably when the
> domain expired or something.  I would gladly support webvism if I could get
> a better handle on who just actually owns the service.  I don't like to give
> money to some unknown entity that might disappear in a moment's notice.
>
> Also, people defended the pricing models used by companies like Freedom
> Scientific or Humanware.  Well, that's the problem with being blindness
> specific.  Their prices are way over the top! Apple includes VoiceOver in
> all machines and I personally doubt the price increased by much at all to
> include this feature.  Macs have always been more expensive than others so
> it was probablyh easier to add extra a11y stuff with a minimal increase in
> price which was shared across the whole product line and all customers.
>
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>
>> It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being
>>> solved.  There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember how we
>>> did it.
>>>
>>> Mauricio? lol.
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an
 alert sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so
 when I got to the field where the captcha had to be solved the field was
 empty.didn't!

 Sent from my iPhone

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> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>  wrote:
>
>> Rumola
>
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Re: iCloud question

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,  Running sl here and icloud only works with lion or higher.  If you have an 
email  like me or iclould.com it should work fine though.

Matthew


On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I don't know about Snow Leopard since I started my Mac journey at the Lion 
> part of the road. I'm sure google has plenty to say on the subject, however. 
> As for music, iCloud wil not handle that at all unless you pay for the iTunes 
> Match service. Without that, you are left with using iTunes to sync with all 
> your iOS devices, which isn't too bad once you get things set up to owrk over 
> wifi.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Alex,
>> Am I correct that I cannot access anything with my white macbook running 
>> snowleopard?
>> Also, if there's music on my iPhone, does it get backed up to the cloud as 
>> well?
>> I'm sure I'll have more questions later.
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> No problem. Let us know if you have questions or problems when you actually 
>>> go through the process. I think you'll really like it though: anything you 
>>> do to synced data on your iPad will be done on your iPhone and vice versa, 
>>> even Safari pages, or so I hear. The only thing to keep in mind is that 
>>> some apps are designed only for the iPad, so if you buy an iPad app, you 
>>> cannot then download it on the iPhone. The reverse is not true - you can 
>>> run iPhone apps on the iPad - so keep that in mind as you are looking at 
>>> apps.
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
 Alex,
 Thanks so much.
 
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Your contacts, calendars, notes, and other content will appear once you 
> sign into the account on your iPad. Apps are different: you have to open 
> the app store, tap updates, then tap purchased apps and download the ones 
> you want. Note that contacts and the rest are configureable in settings, 
> so if you don't see content showing up, go to iCloud settings and be sure 
> that all the categories you want are checked.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> When iCloud first came out, I set up an account before I ever had my mac 
>> computer running snowleopard.
>> Today, I backed up
>> my phone to this iCloud account.
>> I know I can't use iCloud with sl but I will be getting an iPad mini for 
>> Christmas. How can I get the apps and things that are on my phone onto 
>> the iPad using iCloud?
>> Thanks,
>> Stacey
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Frank Tom]

Also, try picking up a used Mac for her.  Small Dog Electronics in Burlington 
Vermont offers discounted used Macs, but I would search locally, first.  If she 
has any usable vision and portability is not an issue, try an IMac instead. 
good luck.
Tom
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On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi y'all
> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
> her for what she can do. 
> 
> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training and 
> go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this for 
> VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we can 
> get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some extra 
> effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac Mini and 
> the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a situation 
> like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on her blind 
> friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think this lady 
> can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the iPhone 
> because I don't think she could keep up, given her current computer 
> knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 
> 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
> 
> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi
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RE: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Yolanda]

Well said.


"If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid
to pick
one of those pieces up and begin again." -Flavia Weedn


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

Chris:
I don't think it's fare to criticize Brandon, it's not like he is the one
demanding that you solve catpchas for creating accounts and whatever other
things you need to do to be productive. He's offering the solution to a
problem that currently has no other solution for the Mac. If you can develop
one for free that provides access to captchas, I'm sure people will migrate
to it if it's as usable. Or, you could run boot camp on your mac, install
firefox and webvisum, and off you go.
I think you're jumping way ahead of yourself here, and your response of not
offering to help others just because they disagree with you is quite
childish. If you're going to respectfully agree to disagree, such an action
would certainly not be consistent with that.

Scott

On 12/2/12, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> Webvism is a firefox plug-in so it will work with any platform that 
> firefox runs on.  I have used it on both Windows and Linux personally 
> and I have read here where Mac users have done it with the Mac version of
firefox.
> Wonder how hard it would be to write a safari plugin for webvism.
>
> Oh, while I'm here, it does seem conceptually unfair that blind people 
> need to pay extra to solve a CAPTCHA when their sighted counterparts pay
nothing.
>  But then like in Brandon's case, he has to cover expenses to deliver 
> his service.  We nearly lost webvism earlier this year presumably when 
> the domain expired or something.  I would gladly support webvism if I 
> could get a better handle on who just actually owns the service.  I 
> don't like to give money to some unknown entity that might disappear in a
moment's notice.
>
> Also, people defended the pricing models used by companies like 
> Freedom Scientific or Humanware.  Well, that's the problem with being 
> blindness specific.  Their prices are way over the top! Apple includes 
> VoiceOver in all machines and I personally doubt the price increased 
> by much at all to include this feature.  Macs have always been more 
> expensive than others so it was probablyh easier to add extra a11y 
> stuff with a minimal increase in price which was shared across the whole
product line and all customers.
>
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:
>
>> It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being 
>>> solved.  There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember 
>>> how we did it.
>>>
>>> Mauricio? lol.
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an 
 alert sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't 
 so when I got to the field where the captcha had to be solved the 
 field was empty.didn't!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman 
  wrote:

> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
>
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
>
>> Rumola
>
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Clicking

[Craig J Dunlop]

A friend of mine has a situation on their Mac I have not seen before. In Safari 
when on a secure edit field it continually makes a clicking sound even when not 
typing. Is there a way to diss able this clicking notification?


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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Alex Hall]

This makes sense, and explains why the devices I have seen don't have triple 
click home set up. They are phones, so the people in the cell carrier store set 
things up for the users. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind when and if I get my 
iPhone5.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I think this is due to a miss understanding of How, why, and when 
> enabling/disabling Voiceover becomes the default action when triple press of 
> home is used.  For example, you said your friend does not use voiceover.  
> This means, they did not use Voiceover to set up their iPad.  If this indeed 
> the case, they would have to manually go into accessibility settings and 
> enable Voiceover in triple press of home.  Since they are not a VO user, this 
> probably was never done.  They just turned on VO for you, and handed you the 
> iPad as is.  But, if they were a VO user, and in the initial setup they 
> triple pressed home, Voiceover would have came on.  And, it would have 
> automatically been set as the default action when triple press of home was 
> used.  
> 
> Many people have there devices setup in stores by sighted people.  When this 
> is done, Someone will have to turn on Voiceover for you or, you enable 
> Voiceover with iTunes on your computer.  A triple press of home will not work.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> I actually noticed that myself, so glad I'm not alone.  I just found out a 
>> friend. Of mine has an IPad which she's still learning to use, and doesn't 
>> use VoiceOver.  I've never used an IPad before so got frustrated with it 
>> quickly, especialy when I somehow turned the speech off and triple clicking 
>> the home button didn't fix anything.
>> 
>> Sent from" my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I hope it does work then. My mom got an iPhone5, and my friend and sister 
>>> both got the 4s, and triple click home did nothing on any of them. Yes, it 
>>> is supposed to be enabled by default, but experience has shown me that it 
>>> is not always actually done that way.
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks dave,
 I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:
 
> Stacy,
> 
> Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
> 
> It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
> 
> When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
> 
> Dave
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Re: activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)

[Alex Hall]

The activity I had did not change voices at all, it just enabled quicknav for 
certain apps. Even so, there was quite a lag, enough that I got tired of 
dealing with it and never used activities again. It's easy to say "don't let 
the lag stop you", but when you're used to quick operation and then have to 
wait every time you switch into or out of apps, it quickly gets to be 
frustrating.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Kliphton.A.M  wrote:

> Even before I got my SSD, I didn't experience lag in voices when I had
> different voices set up for different activities.  AS for using iMessage,
> just set up a commander to go to the beginning and, and then just inter act
> with the HTML section when reading and replying to messages, works like a
> charm for me!
> 
> Kliphton Senior
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> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: activities (was easy way to use iMessage on mac)
> 
> The lag when switching apps only gets worse if you choose a different voice,
> and it's the one single drawback to Activities, which is otherwise an
> extremely powerful way to use VO.  I have, now, two activities; the normal
> one, which I use for everything except messaging clients.  I use AIM instead
> of Messages, as I was having problems getting messages to read, and only use
> AIM and SKype regularly--who needs more than two IM clients? sheesh.  So,
> for these two apps, I use Alex, who is slightly louder than Fred for some
> reason.  I slow him down a bit, as Fred can speak very quickly and I can
> still understand him, but other voices this is not so much true.  I turn off
> all the elements of cursor tracking (There is no way to just turn cursor
> tracking off, except with a manual keystroke, but you *CAN* go through and
> uncheck all the boxes that say "VoiceOver cursor follows ." whatever, same
> beastie in the end..  Then, I park my message client's VO cursors in the
> HTML content window (leaving the insertion pointer in the edit boxes).  It
> sounds complicated but once it's all set up it's just a few keystrokes.
> 
> This is just one way to use Activities.  I've written to
> accessibil...@apple.com to suggest at least one or two others; activities
> which could come "preset," with VO, but which might really help when using a
> new app for the first time or whatever.  That lag, though, I think is just a
> processor hard limit, and will be better or worse depending on how much RAM
> you have.
> 
> Don't let this lag dissuade you from using Activities to customize VO and
> make it even more flexible than it already is.,
> 
> 
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Re: iCloud question

[Stacey Robinson]

Matthew,
I have an iCloud  dot com address.
When I got my macbook, it was a referbished machine and I've just stayed with 
SL. 
On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:29 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:

> Hi,  Running sl here and icloud only works with lion or higher.  If you have 
> an email  like me or iclould.com it should work fine though.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> I don't know about Snow Leopard since I started my Mac journey at the Lion 
>> part of the road. I'm sure google has plenty to say on the subject, however. 
>> As for music, iCloud wil not handle that at all unless you pay for the 
>> iTunes Match service. Without that, you are left with using iTunes to sync 
>> with all your iOS devices, which isn't too bad once you get things set up to 
>> owrk over wifi.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> Am I correct that I cannot access anything with my white macbook running 
>>> snowleopard?
>>> Also, if there's music on my iPhone, does it get backed up to the cloud as 
>>> well?
>>> I'm sure I'll have more questions later.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 No problem. Let us know if you have questions or problems when you 
 actually go through the process. I think you'll really like it though: 
 anything you do to synced data on your iPad will be done on your iPhone 
 and vice versa, even Safari pages, or so I hear. The only thing to keep in 
 mind is that some apps are designed only for the iPad, so if you buy an 
 iPad app, you cannot then download it on the iPhone. The reverse is not 
 true - you can run iPhone apps on the iPad - so keep that in mind as you 
 are looking at apps.
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
> Alex,
> Thanks so much.
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Your contacts, calendars, notes, and other content will appear once you 
>> sign into the account on your iPad. Apps are different: you have to open 
>> the app store, tap updates, then tap purchased apps and download the 
>> ones you want. Note that contacts and the rest are configureable in 
>> settings, so if you don't see content showing up, go to iCloud settings 
>> and be sure that all the categories you want are checked.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> When iCloud first came out, I set up an account before I ever had my 
>>> mac computer running snowleopard.
>>> Today, I backed up
>>> my phone to this iCloud account.
>>> I know I can't use iCloud with sl but I will be getting an iPad mini 
>>> for Christmas. How can I get the apps and things that are on my phone 
>>> onto the iPad using iCloud?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Alex Hall]

Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as well 
in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm looking at 
you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a mac list, and I'm 
not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a reasonably good Windows 
laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, and where money is an 
issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi y'all
> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
> her for what she can do. 
> 
> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training and 
> go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this for 
> VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we can 
> get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some extra 
> effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac Mini and 
> the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a situation 
> like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on her blind 
> friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think this lady 
> can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the iPhone 
> because I don't think she could keep up, given her current computer 
> knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 
> 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
> 
> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Mauricio Almeida]

well, let me tell you a few things here:
1: windows are n to as safe as macs are, which adds trouble for the novice user.
2: windows computers are much less stable than the macs.
3: nvda isn't something she will be able to get support for,unless she enters a 
list, which already involves some learning within itself, whereas voice over's 
support is already with the mac.
4: why would someone start utilizing technology with something as not inclusive 
as windows if she could use a mc and be able to use every mac in the world 
after that with no additional work?

most times, you will find the money spent pays off.

mauricio
On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a mac 
> list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a reasonably 
> good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, and where 
> money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi y'all
>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>> her for what she can do. 
>> 
>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some 
>> extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac 
>> Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a 
>> situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on 
>> her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think 
>> this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the 
>> iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her current computer 
>> knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 
>> 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
>> 
>> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi
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Managing Bookmarks in Safari

[Steve Holmes]

Does anyone know how to get into the list of bookmarks to manage them? Like I 
want to remove some old ones I no longer need.  I can get into the regular 
bookmarks menu and see all the stuff I have previously added and launch them 
and all.  But when I choose the option to show all bookmarks, the only thing I 
see so far is a table with a couple options like Bookmarks Bar and Bookmarks 
menu.  When I choose either of these by interacting with and arrowing to it, I 
then uninteract with the table and just plain look around the browser controls. 
 I see no list of bookmarks anywhere. What might I be missing here? The basic 
question is how can one remove unwanted bookmarks in Safari?

Any ideas?

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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Alex Hall]

I see what you're saying. Still, macs can now get viruses, so you'll need to 
protect against that whichever way you go. Yes, macs are more stable, but when 
things go wrong you have to know what you're doing to get them back. For 
instance, I'll sometimes hit reply in mail and get "mail busy", followed by 
"mail ready". I finally figured out I have to cmd-accent twice to get to the 
reply window, because vo won't focus on it by default if mail is busy and 
cmd-tabbing fails to reset focus. Things like that which I've seen throw off 
new users are what I'm talking about. Again, I'm not in favor of windows in 
general, but where money is tight in this situation...
On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Mauricio Almeida  
wrote:

> well, let me tell you a few things here:
> 1: windows are n to as safe as macs are, which adds trouble for the novice 
> user.
> 2: windows computers are much less stable than the macs.
> 3: nvda isn't something she will be able to get support for,unless she enters 
> a list, which already involves some learning within itself, whereas voice 
> over's support is already with the mac.
> 4: why would someone start utilizing technology with something as not 
> inclusive as windows if she could use a mc and be able to use every mac in 
> the world after that with no additional work?
> 
> most times, you will find the money spent pays off.
> 
> mauricio
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
>> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
>> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
>> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a mac 
>> list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a reasonably 
>> good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, and where 
>> money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi y'all
>>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>>> her for what she can do. 
>>> 
>>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some 
>>> extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac 
>>> Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a 
>>> situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely 
>>> on her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't 
>>> think this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices 
>>> like the iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her current 
>>> computer knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move 
>>> into the 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi
>>> 
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Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brian Fischler]

Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks

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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brandon Olivares]

Have you tried checking Activity Monitor to see if any processes are hogging 
the emory or CPU? Sometimes when this starts happening for me, I shut down a 
few of the programs that seem to be taking the most memory.

Regards,
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On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Brandon, no I have not checked the activity monitor. How do I do
that, and is there any activity you shouldn't shutdown. I remember
when I was on a PC I would have to check the processes but there
weren't certain ones you weren't supposed to shut down. Thanks

On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks

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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brandon Olivares]

My general rule is that if I don't know what it is, I don't touch it. If it 
really concerns me, I'll Google it to see what the process is for.

But usually I just shut down the ones that are tied to actual open applications.

Regards,
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On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Brandon, no I have not checked the activity monitor. How do I do
> that, and is there any activity you shouldn't shutdown. I remember
> when I was on a PC I would have to check the processes but there
> weren't certain ones you weren't supposed to shut down. Thanks
> 
> On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
>> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
>> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
>> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
>> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
>> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
>> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
>> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
>> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brian Fischler]

Gotcha, and not to sound like an idiot, but where do you find the
activity list on a mac? Thanks

On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks

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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brandon Olivares]

You can find Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder. In the Finder, press 
command+shift+U.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Gotcha, and not to sound like an idiot, but where do you find the
> activity list on a mac? Thanks
> 
> On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
>> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
>> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
>> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
>> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
>> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
>> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
>> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
>> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi Brian,
It's under utilities. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Gotcha, and not to sound like an idiot, but where do you find the
> activity list on a mac? Thanks
> 
> On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
>> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
>> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
>> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
>> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
>> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
>> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
>> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
>> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; have you checked the free space on your hard drive? sometimes that can 
cause this. take care, max 
On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Anne Robertson]

Another suggestion is to check how many windows are open in the various 
applications that are running. On the Mac, closing all windows does not close 
an application, so make sure that you quit applications that are not in use.

After that, there's the good old Repair Permissions, and from time to time, the 
reinitialisation of the PRAM.

I hardly ever get the Busy problem.

Cheers,

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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brian Fischler]

Just wanted to say thanks so much for all of the great suggestions. As
soon as I am done yelling at my fantasy football team for not doing
anything, I am going to start looking into all of this. Thanks again.

On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks

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Re: Managing Bookmarks in Safari

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,
This is what I do.
1. push command+option+b
2. then go two times left to the table
3. interact with the table
4. choose the folder where your bookmarks are stored and hit vo+j
5. now you are in the bookmarks list and can just use delete to remove one or 
space to activate one.
good luck,
Ronald
Op 2 dec. 2012, om 18:17 heeft Steve Holmes  het 
volgende geschreven:

> Does anyone know how to get into the list of bookmarks to manage them? Like I 
> want to remove some old ones I no longer need.  I can get into the regular 
> bookmarks menu and see all the stuff I have previously added and launch them 
> and all.  But when I choose the option to show all bookmarks, the only thing 
> I see so far is a table with a couple options like Bookmarks Bar and 
> Bookmarks menu.  When I choose either of these by interacting with and 
> arrowing to it, I then uninteract with the table and just plain look around 
> the browser controls.  I see no list of bookmarks anywhere. What might I be 
> missing here? The basic question is how can one remove unwanted bookmarks in 
> Safari?
> 
> Any ideas?
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Re: Managing Bookmarks in Safari

[Steve Holmes]

When I first started out on this venture, there was only one table showing to 
VoiceOver - the one with bookmarks bar and bookmarks menu and History.  I then 
came across a podcast episode from earlier this year explaining that the 
horizontal scrollbar needed to be expanded.  She said it should go to 100% but 
I could only move that one position; the original position indicated that it 
was collapsed; if I moved it more than one position, Safari would lock up and 
go into an infinite busy condition.  Once I moved it just one click after 
restarting Safari, VO said 0 percent but then after that I was able to find the 
second table which has all my bookmarks in it.  So if bugs notwithstanding or 
whatever, I can now manage the bookmarks the way I would like.  I think the big 
deal here is adjusting the horizontal scrollbar so both tables can be exposed 
to VoiceOver.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:

> Hi,
> This is what I do.
> 1. push command+option+b
> 2. then go two times left to the table
> 3. interact with the table
> 4. choose the folder where your bookmarks are stored and hit vo+j
> 5. now you are in the bookmarks list and can just use delete to remove one or 
> space to activate one.
> good luck,
> Ronald
> Op 2 dec. 2012, om 18:17 heeft Steve Holmes  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Does anyone know how to get into the list of bookmarks to manage them? Like 
>> I want to remove some old ones I no longer need.  I can get into the regular 
>> bookmarks menu and see all the stuff I have previously added and launch them 
>> and all.  But when I choose the option to show all bookmarks, the only thing 
>> I see so far is a table with a couple options like Bookmarks Bar and 
>> Bookmarks menu.  When I choose either of these by interacting with and 
>> arrowing to it, I then uninteract with the table and just plain look around 
>> the browser controls.  I see no list of bookmarks anywhere. What might I be 
>> missing here? The basic question is how can one remove unwanted bookmarks in 
>> Safari?
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
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Re: Clicking

[Scott Rumery]

I have had this happen a few times and I have not been able to get it to stop.  
I just enter in my password and hit Return and as long as my password is 
correct, all is right with the world again.

Scott Rumery
 
On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Craig J Dunlop  wrote:

> A friend of mine has a situation on their Mac I have not seen before. In 
> Safari when on a secure edit field it continually makes a clicking sound even 
> when not typing. Is there a way to diss able this clicking notification?
> 
> 
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Re: Managing Bookmarks in Safari

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,
Okay, I am happy you got it to work now. I noticed the second table which is 
after giving command+option+b on the right from where you land. This table 
gives direct access to the bookmarks without having to choose a folder and jump 
to it.
So I learned something tonight too:)
best,
Ronald

Op 2 dec. 2012, om 21:28 heeft Steve Holmes  het 
volgende geschreven:

> When I first started out on this venture, there was only one table showing to 
> VoiceOver - the one with bookmarks bar and bookmarks menu and History.  I 
> then came across a podcast episode from earlier this year explaining that the 
> horizontal scrollbar needed to be expanded.  She said it should go to 100% 
> but I could only move that one position; the original position indicated that 
> it was collapsed; if I moved it more than one position, Safari would lock up 
> and go into an infinite busy condition.  Once I moved it just one click after 
> restarting Safari, VO said 0 percent but then after that I was able to find 
> the second table which has all my bookmarks in it.  So if bugs 
> notwithstanding or whatever, I can now manage the bookmarks the way I would 
> like.  I think the big deal here is adjusting the horizontal scrollbar so 
> both tables can be exposed to VoiceOver.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> This is what I do.
>> 1. push command+option+b
>> 2. then go two times left to the table
>> 3. interact with the table
>> 4. choose the folder where your bookmarks are stored and hit vo+j
>> 5. now you are in the bookmarks list and can just use delete to remove one 
>> or space to activate one.
>> good luck,
>> Ronald
>> Op 2 dec. 2012, om 18:17 heeft Steve Holmes  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know how to get into the list of bookmarks to manage them? Like 
>>> I want to remove some old ones I no longer need.  I can get into the 
>>> regular bookmarks menu and see all the stuff I have previously added and 
>>> launch them and all.  But when I choose the option to show all bookmarks, 
>>> the only thing I see so far is a table with a couple options like Bookmarks 
>>> Bar and Bookmarks menu.  When I choose either of these by interacting with 
>>> and arrowing to it, I then uninteract with the table and just plain look 
>>> around the browser controls.  I see no list of bookmarks anywhere. What 
>>> might I be missing here? The basic question is how can one remove unwanted 
>>> bookmarks in Safari?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm only disagreeing to help without payment, as maybe Brandon's right.  You 
gotta make a living somehow, and it's obvious that nothing I post here 
really ever is greatfully appreciated.  Everything I say, you all disagree 
with.  I could say the sky's blue, and you all'd say it's purple, yellow, 
and brown polcodotted, so, why should I waiste my time?  You want help, you 
know what to do.  Your e-mail isn't changing my decision, so quit trying!


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Davert" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.



Chris:
I don't think it's fare to criticize Brandon, it's not like he is the
one demanding that you solve catpchas for creating accounts and
whatever other things you need to do to be productive. He's offering
the solution to a problem that currently has no other solution for the
Mac. If you can develop one for free that provides access to captchas,
I'm sure people will migrate to it if it's as usable. Or, you could
run boot camp on your mac, install firefox and webvisum, and off you
go.
I think you're jumping way ahead of yourself here, and your response
of not offering to help others just because they disagree with you is
quite childish. If you're going to respectfully agree to disagree,
such an action would certainly not be consistent with that.

Scott

On 12/2/12, Steve Holmes  wrote:
Webvism is a firefox plug-in so it will work with any platform that 
firefox

runs on.  I have used it on both Windows and Linux personally and I have
read here where Mac users have done it with the Mac version of firefox.
Wonder how hard it would be to write a safari plugin for webvism.

Oh, while I'm here, it does seem conceptually unfair that blind people 
need
to pay extra to solve a CAPTCHA when their sighted counterparts pay 
nothing.

 But then like in Brandon's case, he has to cover expenses to deliver his
service.  We nearly lost webvism earlier this year presumably when the
domain expired or something.  I would gladly support webvism if I could 
get
a better handle on who just actually owns the service.  I don't like to 
give

money to some unknown entity that might disappear in a moment's notice.

Also, people defended the pricing models used by companies like Freedom
Scientific or Humanware.  Well, that's the problem with being blindness
specific.  Their prices are way over the top! Apple includes VoiceOver in
all machines and I personally doubt the price increased by much at all to
include this feature.  Macs have always been more expensive than others 
so
it was probablyh easier to add extra a11y stuff with a minimal increase 
in

price which was shared across the whole product line and all customers.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:



It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman 


wrote:


HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being
solved.  There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember how 
we

did it.

Mauricio? lol.
God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl









On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:


It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an
alert sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so
when I got to the field where the captcha had to be solved the field 
was

empty.didn't!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman
 wrote:


HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?

God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl









On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:


Rumola



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another problem in iTunes 11

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I had some books from Audible.com that I want to remove from both my computer 
and my mobile devices.  When I go into iTunes and try to delete them, I am 
unable to do so.  I select books in the pop-up, then Audio books.  I can see 
the list of books OK, but when I try to delete them, the first time, it looks 
like I actually am going to delete it, i.e. get the usual prompts.  But then 
after that,I just hear a thunk when I press either the backspace or 
command-backspace.  Can anyone confirm this before I write again to 
accessibility?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!

[Chris Moore]

That is exactly how I prefer to use iTunes also.  Anyone worked out what that 
iCloud button does yet?
On 2 Dec 2012, at 03:38, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> The one view I always liked in prior versions of iTunes was the table view 
> showing all the tracks of an album and the detail columns that go with them.  
> I discovered that if I choose the Songs view instead of Album or Artist, I 
> not only get the table list view back but I can also get the column view back 
> as well.  And while interacting with the music table, I can use VO-J to 
> toggle around between the player, Music Browser and the Music table.  That 
> never worked properly for me in older iTunes versions.  The new grid views 
> seem strange to me but there are so many different ways to configure this 
> thing, it's pleasant news to be able to get a view that can just about please 
> everyone.
> 
> Right now, I'm using the Songs view with Sidebar turned off but status line 
> turned on.  Plus I have the column view enabled.  This is really working good 
> for me.
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:37 AM, KJSC radio  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all, while it may seem different in iTunes, Like many people have said, 
>> the few options are the way to go if you want iTunes to look and feel mostly 
>> like normal again. Yeah while it seems like apple made iTunes complex this 
>> time around, their are 2 choices you can make… For example, you can choose 
>> to live with the new interface which I have decided to do for a bit or you 
>> can choose to see if there are ways to make iTunes appear normal  again… 
>> Just thoughtI would bring that up… I would like to say though that I love 
>> the up ned feature!!! I find this useful especially, when I'm doing enter 
>> net radio broadcasting with nice cast on my station and if someone requests 
>> a song that I have in my library, I could just go into the songs view, 
>> search for the song, find it and VO shift M on that and choose add to next 
>> up!!! I love that because I would just make it crossfade to the next song 
>> just by doing that… well, have a good day all.
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> You're exactly right John.  I am ashamed of myself for the prior comments I 
>>> made, and I humbly ask that you all please accept my apology.  I acted like 
>>> a jerk!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you kindly,
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a 
>>> source list visible.  You then can use control-option-j to jump from the 
>>> source list to other areas and back.  You can also use the VoiceOver web 
>>> navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab.
>>> 
>>>  My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to 
>>> conclusions.  It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" 
>>> in the least.  Be patient and explore and tinker.  We all have to learn it 
>>> and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> Twitter, @macfortheblind
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what 
 in the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking!  Maybe I am just not very 
 patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing.
 
 First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler?  OK, 
 how do you figure that?  You're entitled certainly to you all's own 
 opinions, but lookat.  Let me give my! point a vew.
 
 First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone.  Granted it's in a 
 popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in 
 the darn middle of the screen it seems.  This means without the item 
 chooser, it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button.  I can't 
 even jump over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right 
 arrow.  If I do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to 
 the source popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would 
 take me too low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the 
 top upper most column of the screen, so... there went that! idea.  Second 
 of all, at least that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on 
 this assumptio

gmail labels won't sik with apple mail

[Kliphton]

I quit using gmail for a while, but went back to using it today.  When I put
my info in, the only label it is showing is my in box, and trash.  It won't
show none of the lables I created on the web to sort my messages.  Did I
miss a step, what to do to fix this?  Thanks.

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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
Suggest that, if possible, that the lady visit both the Apple store and 
somebody with a modified Windows machine and get a feel for which would be best.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 02/12/2012, at 9:20, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I see what you're saying. Still, macs can now get viruses, so you'll need to 
> protect against that whichever way you go. Yes, macs are more stable, but 
> when things go wrong you have to know what you're doing to get them back. For 
> instance, I'll sometimes hit reply in mail and get "mail busy", followed by 
> "mail ready". I finally figured out I have to cmd-accent twice to get to the 
> reply window, because vo won't focus on it by default if mail is busy and 
> cmd-tabbing fails to reset focus. Things like that which I've seen throw off 
> new users are what I'm talking about. Again, I'm not in favor of windows in 
> general, but where money is tight in this situation...
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Mauricio Almeida  
> wrote:
> 
>> well, let me tell you a few things here:
>> 1: windows are n to as safe as macs are, which adds trouble for the novice 
>> user.
>> 2: windows computers are much less stable than the macs.
>> 3: nvda isn't something she will be able to get support for,unless she 
>> enters a list, which already involves some learning within itself, whereas 
>> voice over's support is already with the mac.
>> 4: why would someone start utilizing technology with something as not 
>> inclusive as windows if she could use a mc and be able to use every mac in 
>> the world after that with no additional work?
>> 
>> most times, you will find the money spent pays off.
>> 
>> mauricio
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
>>> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
>>> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
>>> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a 
>>> mac list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a 
>>> reasonably good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, 
>>> and where money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
>>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi y'all
 I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least 
 close to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and 
 I have agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to 
 Houston where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an 
 iPad because she can't get training because of you know why and has 
 limited computer skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need 
 to get the best for her for what she can do. 
 
 If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
 and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
 for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager 
 we can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take 
 some extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the 
 Mac Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best 
 for a situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to 
 rely on her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I 
 don't think this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS 
 devices like the iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her 
 current computer knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided 
 to move into the 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
 
 Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Brian Fischler]

Ok doesn't seem to be anything running that shouldn't been trying to
find out how full my hard drive is and can't believe I can't find
this. Where is it listed? also does anyone else have this problem.
When in the finder sidebar, I try to arrow down through the side bar,
and every time I get to air drop it boots me out of the side bar,
quite annoying anyway around this? I am vieing everything in list
mode. Thanks

On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks

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RE: Clicking

[Angelo]

Hello, I am a new mac user, and new to the list here, I have seen this same
issue, I thought it was normal smile, I seen this while attempting to set
up skype also,, and by the way that is difficult to do on the mac
Angelo

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Clicking

A friend of mine has a situation on their Mac I have not seen before. In
Safari when on a secure edit field it continually makes a clicking sound
even when not typing. Is there a way to diss able this clicking
notification?


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Re: Fed up with everything being busy busy busy

[Chris Bruinenberg]

You can check the hard drive space under about this mac under the menubar.
I don't have the sidebar issues.
I'm sorry.
Maybe a clean install should help.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Ok doesn't seem to be anything running that shouldn't been trying to
> find out how full my hard drive is and can't believe I can't find
> this. Where is it listed? also does anyone else have this problem.
> When in the finder sidebar, I try to arrow down through the side bar,
> and every time I get to air drop it boots me out of the side bar,
> quite annoying anyway around this? I am vieing everything in list
> mode. Thanks
> 
> On Dec 2, 2:02 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to this. In the past week
>> every program I run is constantly busy busy busy almost making my mac
>> unusable. I am using an Imac 2010 running the latest mountain lion
>> operating system. It used to be that I just dealt with busy in safari.
>> Now Itunes, mail, news rack, andpages, and numbers are all having busy
>> busy problems. Do I need to reinstall Mt. Lion? Does anyone know if
>> this will correct the problem? I have tried restarting and shutting
>> everything down, but it still doesn't fix the busy busy problems. If
>> anyone has a step by step clean install, please share the link. Thanks
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Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some reason 
all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there every time 
I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete it multiple 
times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix this?

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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok thanx, will look into that; had no idea it could get that complicated lol.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Boy, this is hard to explain off the top of my head but you need to set Mail 
> to move deleted messages to the Trash folder used by Gmail and not by Mail on 
> your local machine.  Let me find a link to a well-written article on how to 
> set up Mail with IMAP and specifically Gmail.  It goes into linking the trash 
> and spam folders in Apple mail with those used by gmail.  Once mail goes into 
> the [Gmail]/Trash, those messages should be gone from the All Mail folder.  
> Try this link below.
> 
> http://tidbits.com/article/10253
> Look for a level 2 header to start reading the relevant part.  HTH.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way to keep them from constantly resurfacing every time I 
>> delete them then relaunch mail?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to 
>>> see given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the 
>>> other "folders" are really just messages with that label.
>>> 
>>> To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move 
>>> them to the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move to 
>>> Trash when a Delete key is pressed.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
 reason all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads 
 there every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I 
 delete it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way 
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Re: Clicking

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there maybe someone might correct me but I do not think you can do anything 
about a secure field clicking all the time!
I think it might be the way it was set up so contacting the company of that 
site and tell them what is happening might be the way to go!
Unless I've got it wrong!
Also another problem you might find is where you get no clicks or maybe 1 and 
not the next 2 but then the4th or other versions of that !
So if I come across one like that I put in the whole password ignoring weather 
there is a click or not!
And hope I put it in right!

Colin

On 3 Dec 2012, at 00:03, Angelo  wrote:

> Hello, I am a new mac user, and new to the list here, I have seen this same
> issue, I thought it was normal smile, I seen this while attempting to set
> up skype also,, and by the way that is difficult to do on the mac
> Angelo
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig J Dunlop
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Clicking
> 
> A friend of mine has a situation on their Mac I have not seen before. In
> Safari when on a secure edit field it continually makes a clicking sound
> even when not typing. Is there a way to diss able this clicking
> notification?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Red.Falcon]

Hi I would just like to tell anyone interested that you can use the reader on 
this article Command+shift+R
hth Colin

On 2 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> Boy, this is hard to explain off the top of my head but you need to set Mail 
> to move deleted messages to the Trash folder used by Gmail and not by Mail on 
> your local machine.  Let me find a link to a well-written article on how to 
> set up Mail with IMAP and specifically Gmail.  It goes into linking the trash 
> and spam folders in Apple mail with those used by gmail.  Once mail goes into 
> the [Gmail]/Trash, those messages should be gone from the All Mail folder.  
> Try this link below.
> 
> http://tidbits.com/article/10253
> Look for a level 2 header to start reading the relevant part.  HTH.
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way to keep them from constantly resurfacing every time I 
>> delete them then relaunch mail?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to 
>>> see given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the 
>>> other "folders" are really just messages with that label.
>>> 
>>> To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move 
>>> them to the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move to 
>>> Trash when a Delete key is pressed.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
 reason all my mail seems to be collecting here, and always redownloads 
 there every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I 
 delete it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way 
 to fix this?
 
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Nook I O S app is partially broken, but not for long.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Heyh everyone.

I just wanted to throw in a word to say, if you, like me have an IPad of any 
generation, be it first, second, third or fourth, or for that mind, even a 
mini, beware that Barns and Noble just informed me that they indeed are 
having server network issues.  I don't quite know the back end ins and outs 
of the problem, but apparently, there is something in the i o s 6.0.1 code 
of the firmware O S which is not allowing IPads of any sort to correctly 
connect to the system.  This means, if you try signing in, on the IPad, it's 
probably at this point in time not going to work.  Most likely you're 
probably going to get an error that states either that you need to be sure 
you have internet activity, or, it will say something about the connection 
either being lost, or timing out.  Those are the main generic three error 
messages that I'm consistently seeing, and I can't give you a situation of 
when specifically x y or zed will appear.  They seem to randomly go between 
the three.


The bottom line is, I have spoken to technical support, which can be reached 
by calling


1-800-the-book

which is:

1-800-843-2665

for those of you who need it translated.  Then choose option 2 from the main 
menu, and then once again, choose option 2 again a second time.


The first lady I spoke with hardly spoke english, and honestly didn't seem 
helpful in the least.  In fact, she kept insisting the issue was on my end, 
and that I didn't know how to correctly reset my home LAN network.  When I 
in total disgust told her I was a certified network administrator with quite 
an extensive amount of network training, she immediately disconnected her 
line, and transferred me to level 2 management support.  The gentlemen there 
was extremely! nice, and was very very professional, and really did seem to 
completely understand the situation.  He told me that he and all others in 
teer2 were totally aware of the problem, and have been getting calls left 
and right.  He said that engineering has been made aware of the bug, and 
they are dilligently looking into it.  He said last that he heard, the 
engineers found the problem, and now're just in the process of getting it 
fixed.  He said to keep an eye on the ITunes app store, as there should be 
an update coming down the line in the next week or two, if not sooner, 
that'll address this very problem, and should hopefully resolve things.  He 
advised in the ming time, just keep using it on my IPhone or IPod if I have 
one, which of corse I don't, but anyway... I do have an IPhone, so, yeah... 
and btw, he's correct.  It works fabulously! on the IPhone.  Oh my heavens! 
does it work wonderfully!  I gave him a lot of very good compliments 
regarding that note.  He did note my account, and did send my report as well 
up to engineering.  He also gave me a case reference number, and told me if 
I've not heard back from them via e-mail within about 2 weeks max, give them 
a call back again with that number, and follow up, and by then, they should 
have a more accurate E T A.


I told him thank you, that this is exactly! the type tech support I enjoy 
receiving, as it's very assuring to know that the issue indeed is not only 
being taken seriously, but is known, and is being investigated, and more so 
than anything, is getting fixed slowly but surely.  I really think B&N 
really! deserves a pat on the back.  I mean, ok, guys, lookat: they didn't 
push for accessibility for the longest time.  OK, I'll give you that, but 
the bottom line is, we went from an I O S app that literally saw nothing, 
and I, mean, nothing! no buttons, no text area, nothing! to all a sudden, 
now this!  The only thing I can't seem to do is add my own annotation notes 
in the margins, and that, I also told the teer 2 guy about, and again, he 
said they were aware of that as well not working with Voiceover.  He assured 
me, that the highest priority is getting the IPad issue fixed, but once that 
is done, the next thing he said down the line as faras accessibility is 
gonna be to try finding a way to make that feature work for us.  I really! 
think we need to call tech support, and really just give them a lot of 
thanks and gratitude.  I told him, compared to what we did have, this is 
absolutely fantastic, and to keep up the good work!  We  ended with him 
saying that this is why people like him come into work each day, is because 
they love hearing when they make a customer as myself happy.  Talk about 
good customer relations service, in my view!


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions 


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iTunes again

[Agent086b]

Hello all, sorry for another iTunes question. When going through my albums in 
the previous iTunes I could press enter on an album to go through the tracks. 
This does not appear to work in the latest version. How do I see the tracks now?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Re: iCloud question

[Chris Blouch]

I think it does treat tracks purchased from the iTunes store much like 
apps in that you can go to "purchased" and then find the radio button 
that says "not on this computer" and download those purchased tracks to 
another device. Since I mostly rip CDs that doesn't help me much but the 
few tracks I did purchase from iTunes have now floated around to all the 
devices I have connected to my iTunes account.


CB

On 12/1/12 3:04 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

I don't know about Snow Leopard since I started my Mac journey at the Lion part 
of the road. I'm sure google has plenty to say on the subject, however. As for 
music, iCloud wil not handle that at all unless you pay for the iTunes Match 
service. Without that, you are left with using iTunes to sync with all your iOS 
devices, which isn't too bad once you get things set up to owrk over wifi.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:


Alex,
Am I correct that I cannot access anything with my white macbook running 
snowleopard?
Also, if there's music on my iPhone, does it get backed up to the cloud as well?
I'm sure I'll have more questions later.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


No problem. Let us know if you have questions or problems when you actually go 
through the process. I think you'll really like it though: anything you do to 
synced data on your iPad will be done on your iPhone and vice versa, even 
Safari pages, or so I hear. The only thing to keep in mind is that some apps 
are designed only for the iPad, so if you buy an iPad app, you cannot then 
download it on the iPhone. The reverse is not true - you can run iPhone apps on 
the iPad - so keep that in mind as you are looking at apps.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:


Alex,
Thanks so much.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


Your contacts, calendars, notes, and other content will appear once you sign 
into the account on your iPad. Apps are different: you have to open the app 
store, tap updates, then tap purchased apps and download the ones you want. 
Note that contacts and the rest are configureable in settings, so if you don't 
see content showing up, go to iCloud settings and be sure that all the 
categories you want are checked.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:


Hi all,
When iCloud first came out, I set up an account before I ever had my mac 
computer running snowleopard.
Today, I backed up
my phone to this iCloud account.
I know I can't use iCloud with sl but I will be getting an iPad mini for 
Christmas. How can I get the apps and things that are on my phone onto the iPad 
using iCloud?
Thanks,
Stacey

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removing old mailboxes that don't exist?

[Kliphton]

Okay, I use gmail most of the time, but decided to give outlook.com a
chance.  There were things I couldn't do with outlook.com, that gmail would
let me do, so I came back.  ONly thing is, I created some new labels, aka
folders, and the old ones are still in my favorites bar and they are dimmed,
how do I get rid of them?  I don't need them, and the no longer exist.
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Re: iTunes again

[Mark Baxter]

This brings up another point I don't quite get.  The only way to see those 
tracks now appears ti be to interact with a table, interact with an album 
group, then interact with an album grid.  I CANNOT get the column grouser to 
un-dim, and as it is, this way's just clunky


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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I'm not familiar with the screen reader  you're talking about, which brings up 
the question. Who's going to help her learn a Windows screen reader that most 
blind people don't have? I mean quick, if she doesn't know someone who has this 
screen reader, I think she stuck. The other question I have is, is not a Mac 
mini cheaper than $1000? I haven't talk to her much about this yet, but for 
what she wants, there is a good chance that she could use the iPad And a 
keyboard.
I have another blind friend who decided to continue with a Windows computer. 
She had learned Johnice and windows at work, and when she retired she didn't 
want to change it. However, even though she had used the computer at work, she 
is pretty shaky when it comes to problems with her computer. This means that 
her computer guru brother has had to help her almost immediately with this 
computer, And they live in different states. I mention this because I see some 
blind people needing a great deal of support in order to maintain their 
computers, and not all of them have that support.
This lady that when you're talking about, as far as I know, is on her own. I 
live in one city, she lives in another. This means I can't volunteer to help 
her. Since I used Windows for a number of years before getting him back, I 
could do it if we lived near each other.
I think a lot of us are forgetting here that what some of us on this list could 
do quite fine, others who don't have our experience would find very frustrating 
and not workable. This lady needs the keep it simple system. She's very smart, 
but I don't think she would be motivated to learn anything that took extreme 
amounts of time And effort. If she gets a cheaper Windows computer and she gets 
a cheaper screen reader, I think she  will have to teach herself.


I appreciate any and all opinions on the subject. I asked for them, and I 
welcome them.
Regards
Gigi Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a mac 
> list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a reasonably 
> good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, and where 
> money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi y'all
>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>> her for what she can do. 
>> 
>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some 
>> extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac 
>> Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a 
>> situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on 
>> her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think 
>> this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the 
>> iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her current computer 
>> knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 
>> 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
>> 
>> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Yes, I did mention the possibility of getting a used Mac for her. She was 
receptive to the idea. I will keep this information that you sent on hand so 
that we can look into it when she's ready. Thanks for your help on that too.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Frank Tom  wrote:

> Also, try picking up a used Mac for her.  Small Dog Electronics in Burlington 
> Vermont offers discounted used Macs, but I would search locally, first.  If 
> she has any usable vision and portability is not an issue, try an IMac 
> instead. 
> good luck.
> Tom
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi y'all
>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>> her for what she can do. 
>> 
>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some 
>> extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac 
>> Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a 
>> situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely on 
>> her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't think 
>> this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices like the 
>> iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her current computer 
>> knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move into the 
>> 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
>> 
>> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi
>> 
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks Mark. I'll let her know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:

> GIGI:
> 
> Not to shamelessly promote and use the list for ad space, but I work for one 
> organization, and am planning to set up my own similar organization soon, 
> which trains blind persons on Mac and IOS devices.  Check out
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> and see if one of our trainers may be able to help.
> 
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Matt Dierckens]

I am very excited to go home for Christmas. I miss my family very much.
I wish I could see you soon.
Matt
Sent from my mac
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On 2012-12-02, at 8:42 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> Yes, I did mention the possibility of getting a used Mac for her. She was 
> receptive to the idea. I will keep this information that you sent on hand so 
> that we can look into it when she's ready. Thanks for your help on that too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Frank Tom  wrote:
> 
>> Also, try picking up a used Mac for her.  Small Dog Electronics in 
>> Burlington Vermont offers discounted used Macs, but I would search locally, 
>> first.  If she has any usable vision and portability is not an issue, try an 
>> IMac instead. 
>> good luck.
>> Tom
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi y'all
>>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>>> her for what she can do. 
>>> 
>>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take some 
>>> extra effort and would consider it fun. Of the two Mac computers, the Mac 
>>> Mini and the MacBook Air, which one would you guys consider the best for a 
>>> situation like hers? If she gets an iPad, she would probably need to rely 
>>> on her blind friends who have iPhones and/or iPads to help her. I don't 
>>> think this lady can take the group classes Apple offers for IOS devices 
>>> like the iPhone because I don't think she could keep up, given her current 
>>> computer knowledge. This lady is in her seventies and has decided to move 
>>> into the 21st century because she is seeing a need for email. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks guys for your opinions on this. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi
>>> 
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Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Alex Hall]

Yes, the mini starts at $600 I believe, but you then need the monitor and 
possibly an adapter or cable, depending on the monitor you choose. You also 
need a keyboard and, if she wants one, some kind of trackpad for gestures. So, 
assume the standard apple keyboard at $40 (for the wired one), a cheap monitor 
for $100, and the $60 trackpad and we've just gone up to $800. Especially if 
she will be getting training, you may want to stick with a mobile computer so 
she can take it around to different places. An iPad works, but it's hard to say 
that she will be happy with it once she starts to see what it can't do, such as 
play CDs or offer different voices. I love iPads and other iOS devices, I've 
just not heard good things about using them as computer replacements.

The screen reader is NVDA (nvda-project.org), and it is free and open-source. 
You're right, there is no support for it since it is, well free, but I'm sure 
you can find people who can teach it. It is becoming more popular, so access 
tech specialists should know it. The speech is hard to get used to, but you 
will eventually. Still, it's no Alex or Serena but again the money problem. 
I'd like to stress once more that I would personally pick a mac every time, and 
I only bring up windows to point out that the cost difference may outweigh the 
benefits of the mac in this one case. If you can get around money, then the mac 
is the better choice.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> I'm not familiar with the screen reader  you're talking about, which brings 
> up the question. Who's going to help her learn a Windows screen reader that 
> most blind people don't have? I mean quick, if she doesn't know someone who 
> has this screen reader, I think she stuck. The other question I have is, is 
> not a Mac mini cheaper than $1000? I haven't talk to her much about this yet, 
> but for what she wants, there is a good chance that she could use the iPad 
> And a keyboard.
> I have another blind friend who decided to continue with a Windows computer. 
> She had learned Johnice and windows at work, and when she retired she didn't 
> want to change it. However, even though she had used the computer at work, 
> she is pretty shaky when it comes to problems with her computer. This means 
> that her computer guru brother has had to help her almost immediately with 
> this computer, And they live in different states. I mention this because I 
> see some blind people needing a great deal of support in order to maintain 
> their computers, and not all of them have that support.
> This lady that when you're talking about, as far as I know, is on her own. I 
> live in one city, she lives in another. This means I can't volunteer to help 
> her. Since I used Windows for a number of years before getting him back, I 
> could do it if we lived near each other.
> I think a lot of us are forgetting here that what some of us on this list 
> could do quite fine, others who don't have our experience would find very 
> frustrating and not workable. This lady needs the keep it simple system. 
> She's very smart, but I don't think she would be motivated to learn anything 
> that took extreme amounts of time And effort. If she gets a cheaper Windows 
> computer and she gets a cheaper screen reader, I think she  will have to 
> teach herself.
> 
> 
> I appreciate any and all opinions on the subject. I asked for them, and I 
> welcome them.
> Regards
> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
>> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
>> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
>> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a mac 
>> list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a reasonably 
>> good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, and where 
>> money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi y'all
>>> I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close 
>>> to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have 
>>> agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston 
>>> where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an iPad because 
>>> she can't get training because of you know why and has limited computer 
>>> skills now. Money is an issue for this lady, so we need to get the best for 
>>> her for what she can do. 
>>> 
>>> If she gets a Mac of any variety, she can sign up for one to one training 
>>> and go there once a week if needed. I know there are some issues with this 
>>> for VoiceOver users, but I think if we have a nice talk with the manager we 
>>> can get someone who is willing to work with her who is willing to take som

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

[Eugenia Firth]

Thanks there
Well, I guess it boils down to the MacBook air or the Mac mini, if she's 
getting a Mac. She didn't have a heart attack when I told her how much I paid 
for my MacBook Pro, and she's planning on setting up her money for the next 
seven months or so. Anyway, thanks for all the help guys.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yes, the mini starts at $600 I believe, but you then need the monitor and 
> possibly an adapter or cable, depending on the monitor you choose. You also 
> need a keyboard and, if she wants one, some kind of trackpad for gestures. 
> So, assume the standard apple keyboard at $40 (for the wired one), a cheap 
> monitor for $100, and the $60 trackpad and we've just gone up to $800. 
> Especially if she will be getting training, you may want to stick with a 
> mobile computer so she can take it around to different places. An iPad works, 
> but it's hard to say that she will be happy with it once she starts to see 
> what it can't do, such as play CDs or offer different voices. I love iPads 
> and other iOS devices, I've just not heard good things about using them as 
> computer replacements.
> 
> The screen reader is NVDA (nvda-project.org), and it is free and open-source. 
> You're right, there is no support for it since it is, well free, but I'm sure 
> you can find people who can teach it. It is becoming more popular, so access 
> tech specialists should know it. The speech is hard to get used to, but you 
> will eventually. Still, it's no Alex or Serena but again the money 
> problem. I'd like to stress once more that I would personally pick a mac 
> every time, and I only bring up windows to point out that the cost difference 
> may outweigh the benefits of the mac in this one case. If you can get around 
> money, then the mac is the better choice.
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there
>> I'm not familiar with the screen reader  you're talking about, which brings 
>> up the question. Who's going to help her learn a Windows screen reader that 
>> most blind people don't have? I mean quick, if she doesn't know someone who 
>> has this screen reader, I think she stuck. The other question I have is, is 
>> not a Mac mini cheaper than $1000? I haven't talk to her much about this 
>> yet, but for what she wants, there is a good chance that she could use the 
>> iPad And a keyboard.
>> I have another blind friend who decided to continue with a Windows computer. 
>> She had learned Johnice and windows at work, and when she retired she didn't 
>> want to change it. However, even though she had used the computer at work, 
>> she is pretty shaky when it comes to problems with her computer. This means 
>> that her computer guru brother has had to help her almost immediately with 
>> this computer, And they live in different states. I mention this because I 
>> see some blind people needing a great deal of support in order to maintain 
>> their computers, and not all of them have that support.
>> This lady that when you're talking about, as far as I know, is on her own. I 
>> live in one city, she lives in another. This means I can't volunteer to help 
>> her. Since I used Windows for a number of years before getting him back, I 
>> could do it if we lived near each other.
>> I think a lot of us are forgetting here that what some of us on this list 
>> could do quite fine, others who don't have our experience would find very 
>> frustrating and not workable. This lady needs the keep it simple system. 
>> She's very smart, but I don't think she would be motivated to learn anything 
>> that took extreme amounts of time And effort. If she gets a cheaper Windows 
>> computer and she gets a cheaper screen reader, I think she  will have to 
>> teach herself.
>> 
>> 
>> I appreciate any and all opinions on the subject. I asked for them, and I 
>> welcome them.
>> Regards
>> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. 
>>> Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as 
>>> well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm 
>>> looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a 
>>> mac list, and I'm not saying the mac is bad, but when you can get a 
>>> reasonably good Windows laptop for $300, or the basic mac laptop for $1000, 
>>> and where money is an issue... well, you see where I'm coming from I hope.
>>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi y'all
 I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least 
 close to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and 
 I have agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to 
 Houston where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an 
 iPad because she can't get training because of

Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Steve Holmes]

I hope the macvisionaries list isn't sending duplicates again.  I saw this 
message earlier today, replied to it and deleted the same.  Wonder why it is 
back.

On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
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> Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
> reason all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there 
> every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete 
> it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix 
> this?
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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Steve Holmes]

It might seem complicated at first and I spent a better part of a weekend 
setting this all up but now Mail works beautifully for me now.  I just hope I 
can remember what to do if I ever have to do a fresh install or something in 
the future.

On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Hi I would just like to tell anyone interested that you can use the reader on 
> this article Command+shift+R
> hth Colin
> 
> On 2 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> Boy, this is hard to explain off the top of my head but you need to set Mail 
>> to move deleted messages to the Trash folder used by Gmail and not by Mail 
>> on your local machine.  Let me find a link to a well-written article on how 
>> to set up Mail with IMAP and specifically Gmail.  It goes into linking the 
>> trash and spam folders in Apple mail with those used by gmail.  Once mail 
>> goes into the [Gmail]/Trash, those messages should be gone from the All Mail 
>> folder.  Try this link below.
>> 
>> http://tidbits.com/article/10253
>> Look for a level 2 header to start reading the relevant part.  HTH.
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there any way to keep them from constantly resurfacing every time I 
>>> delete them then relaunch mail?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>>> 
 That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to 
 see given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the 
 other "folders" are really just messages with that label.
 
 To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move 
 them to the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move 
 to Trash when a Delete key is pressed.
 
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> reason all my mail seems to be collecting here, and always redownloads 
> there every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense 
> I delete it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any 
> way to fix this?
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