That is exactly how I prefer to use iTunes also. Anyone worked out what that iCloud button does yet? On 2 Dec 2012, at 03:38, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The one view I always liked in prior versions of iTunes was the table view > showing all the tracks of an album and the detail columns that go with them. > I discovered that if I choose the Songs view instead of Album or Artist, I > not only get the table list view back but I can also get the column view back > as well. And while interacting with the music table, I can use VO-J to > toggle around between the player, Music Browser and the Music table. That > never worked properly for me in older iTunes versions. The new grid views > seem strange to me but there are so many different ways to configure this > thing, it's pleasant news to be able to get a view that can just about please > everyone. > > Right now, I'm using the Songs view with Sidebar turned off but status line > turned on. Plus I have the column view enabled. This is really working good > for me. > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:37 AM, KJSC radio <kjsc.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey all, while it may seem different in iTunes, Like many people have said, >> the few options are the way to go if you want iTunes to look and feel mostly >> like normal again. Yeah while it seems like apple made iTunes complex this >> time around, their are 2 choices you can make… For example, you can choose >> to live with the new interface which I have decided to do for a bit or you >> can choose to see if there are ways to make iTunes appear normal again… >> Just thoughtI would bring that up… I would like to say though that I love >> the up ned feature!!! I find this useful especially, when I'm doing enter >> net radio broadcasting with nice cast on my station and if someone requests >> a song that I have in my library, I could just go into the songs view, >> search for the song, find it and VO shift M on that and choose add to next >> up!!! I love that because I would just make it crossfade to the next song >> just by doing that… well, have a good day all. >> On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You're exactly right John. I am ashamed of myself for the prior comments I >>> made, and I humbly ask that you all please accept my apology. I acted like >>> a jerk! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you kindly, >>> >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >>> Founder of CLG Productions >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion! >>> >>> >>> If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a >>> source list visible. You then can use control-option-j to jump from the >>> source list to other areas and back. You can also use the VoiceOver web >>> navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab. >>> >>> My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to >>> conclusions. It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" >>> in the least. Be patient and explore and tinker. We all have to learn it >>> and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another. >>> >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>> Twitter, @macfortheblind >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what >>>> in the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking! Maybe I am just not very >>>> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing. >>>> >>>> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler? OK, >>>> how do you figure that? You're entitled certainly to you all's own >>>> opinions, but lookat. Let me give my! point a vew. >>>> >>>> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone. Granted it's in a >>>> popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in >>>> the darn middle of the screen it seems. This means without the item >>>> chooser, it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button. I can't >>>> even jump over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right >>>> arrow. If I do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to >>>> the source popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would >>>> take me too low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the >>>> top upper most column of the screen, so... there went that! idea. Second >>>> of all, at least that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on >>>> this assumption, and dear God I hope that I am, there is no longer a list >>>> view. It's totally grid based now. Not that this is really per sey an >>>> issue, but it does make navigating a little bit more confusing, I'll sure >>>> as heck tell you that! >>>> >>>> OK, let's talk about something that for a change I do! actually like. I >>>> love the fact that they have given us the option of sorting our music by >>>> songs, artist, playlist, genre, or even album just by hitting vo+space on >>>> whichever button near the top of the screen. In that sense, I think that >>>> was an excellent idea. No, I'm not being sarcastic at all! I mean it! >>>> That really was pretty cool. The only issue is, say you go under albums. >>>> Now you go to the bottom of the screen and interact with the grid. I'm >>>> finding that pressing vo+down arrow after doing so is only reading the >>>> first 13 or so things in the list. Past this point, it insists to only >>>> say row 14, row 15, row 16, etc. it won't read the album. Not only this, >>>> but with the ones it does read, it's only telling me the album title, and >>>> not the artist along with it, so I have no way necessarily of knowing who >>>> the album is by, unless I'm already familiar with the disc. Fortunately, >>>> I know my music quite well, so thus, I usually can tell who the disc is >>>> by, but that could change down the road. >>>> >>>> Here's something else really gross in my view. I did a search while in >>>> album view sorting for "Testify to Love." Once I did this, I noticed as I >>>> typed, it made the most God! aweful! sound I've ever heard from my macbook >>>> speakers. Scared the buh Jesus! outta me! Anyway, rellavant as that is, >>>> LOL! I then vo+right arrowed and found that it showed the results. I >>>> found Testify to Love by Avalon from the A Maize of Grace album. So, I >>>> thought ok, bingo! I hit vo+space on it. Ding? Ding ding? What the >>>> heck! Finally I tried to stop interacting. Turns out, that stupid popup >>>> that came up apparently was being interacted with. After I stopped, I was >>>> able to access the grid, but all I saw was a grid of all the albums I had >>>> by Avalon. Vo+Space on them doesn't seem to be doing anything more so than >>>> bringing up the album details screen. Once in that screen, I saw where it >>>> said songs, then it said 1. Testify to Love, and that was the only song >>>> showing. I presume this is because that is the track that I searched for, >>>> so it's not gonna populate the whole album. OK, fine, whatever. That >>>> makes sense I guess, whatever. I hit vo+space on that. Again, let's hear >>>> the nice ding dong merrily on high, the mackin bells are dingging. What >>>> the birdy butt sky, I can't do a darn thing thing. OK, enough with my >>>> smartass comments. You get the point though. >>>> >>>> Here's something else. Each device you have connected like an IPhone, or >>>> an IPad, etc. apparently appears at the top of the screen, again, the very >>>> top row, so forget vo+up or down to quickly get there. You gotta move >>>> about 7 or so times to the right from the top left corner, so there again >>>> went your really quick navigation. OK, fine, Voiceover hotspots to the >>>> rescue, yeah, sure thing, but, that's ludicrus to have to do that just to >>>> make very very vital points of the app easier to quickly access. I mean, >>>> come? On! Give, me, a break! Before you flame me, and say, Chris? your >>>> attitude is totally! uncalled for, let me just say this. For a new >>>> Voiceover user, not that I am one, but let's only just for a moment say >>>> that I were, this interface would be ridiculously! confusing! Is it >>>> accessible? Yes. Extremely so, but just because it's accessible doesn't >>>> mean it's clean. Frankly, this is probably the most disgusting interface >>>> of any! Apple based app with the exception of IPhoto that I ever have seen >>>> in my life! And before you say it, oh? baby? have I ever! contacted Apple >>>> Accessibility regarding this. I was very polite, don't worry, but I did >>>> tell them up front, between them over charging me for my last ITunes >>>> purchase which by the way, they are refusing to refund, then other things >>>> I won't go into here on list, plus then, now this? I mean God! Bless! >>>> >>>> Oh, here's one more thing, that popup that came up that I was >>>> automatically interacting with when I did the search for Testify to love? >>>> I saw a button in there for adding the track to up next. OK, based on the >>>> thread already up here, I know now what that is, and it actually honestly >>>> sounds really really awesome. It'll be great to queue things up like that >>>> with crossfading enabled when I use Nicecast to do my internet broadcasts, >>>> but here's the thing. I hit vo+space on that, and I guess it added it, >>>> but then I went back up and hit play. Nothing played though what so ever. >>>> >>>> Frankly? I think I'm just gonna quit using ITunes and go v l c. This is >>>> ridiculous! If I need music, apps, etc. I'll just use my i o s devices. >>>> I'm sorry, but this is down right yuck in my book. >>>> >>>> Before you say anything, let me say this final comment then I'll be done, >>>> I swear. Most of you, probably not all, but a ton of you probably are >>>> gonna write me back either on list or off, most likely on, and try >>>> imbarrassing the heck outta me either purposefully or not, by saying my >>>> attitude is totally unacceptable, and that more so my choice of slang is >>>> only more to show my ignorance. Allow me to say this. I do all my work >>>> business wize with the help of I O S and my copy of ITunes. Whether that >>>> is promoting my debut single in ITunes by playing it for people I meet on >>>> my phone, or it's me using my phone as a calendar/roledex, or it's me >>>> using apps like LookTel or whatever, to simplify my independence. The >>>> bottom line is: ITunes for me is a big! big! deal. To not have good >>>> access to it is extremely! extremely! irritating. I never said I can't, >>>> nor will, get the hang eventually of the new version, and frankly, like it >>>> or not, I really don't have much of a choice in the matter. I understand >>>> that. So, I'll apologize firstly and foremost in advance to anyone whom >>>> this e-mail may offend with my wordage, or verbiage there of, but >>>> understand that when you have an app that works so fantasticly, then >>>> companies think that they have to implement eye candy and totally middle >>>> F*** the interface, that makes me extremely! angry. If it's not broken, >>>> then God, darnit? don't fixit! I dono why for so many companies, that's >>>> so hard to understand. >>>> >>>> OK, enough sauga. I'm off to learn this new damned thing. Anyone wanna >>>> gamble with me if I figure it out or not? LOL! Just kidding. Hey! 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