Re: first possible bug in ML

[Shen]

Hi Donna,
OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard drive 
right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an encrypted 
hard drive.
OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you after 
installing Mount Lion.
I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install versus 
upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still brainstorming for you.
I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to the 
Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the function 
key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing that.


On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Shen,
> 
> When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the volume 
> keys.
> 
> The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
> "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, and 
> then end up in another window that says something like "System Core UI has no 
> Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  It's all very 
> odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I have no issues, 
> i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
>> things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
>> experienced.
>> Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
>> Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
>> screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
>> Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
>> press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
>> wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
>> should hear speech.
>> I know this is a pain in the butt.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hi Matthew,
>>> 
>>> Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
>>> Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna.
 I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I guess
 it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
 I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and I'll
 report back on any feedback I get.
 
 On 2012-07-27, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I've waited a good couple of minutes.  Also, when I interact and enter my
> password, I am able to log in.  And I have done what you suggested.
> Still not getting VO at login.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Shen  wrote:
> 
>> How long are you waiting before realizing VoiceOver is not coming on? Is
>> it possible the system is still booting up?
>> Also, just for giggles, unchecked the checkbox for starting VoiceOver at
>> the login screen. Close the Preferences, open it again and check the box
>> again.
>> I would do a complete shut down, then startup.
>> Hope that will help.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes it is checked.  I've now set my Mac to log in automatically, but I
>>> hope that isn't the only long-term solution.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Are you sure that you have voiceover in your login items system prefs
 paine under users set to read at the log on screen?  What if you hit
 command+F5 to turn it on manually?
 
 If that doesn't work, try fn+Command+F5, provided you have an fn key.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:33 PM
 Subject: first possible bug in ML
 
 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, I think I've found my first bug with ML.  I no longer have
> speech during the log-in process.  To test this, shut down your Mac
> and reboot. You can still log in, but you will have no speech while
> you are doing it. Can anyone confirm?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: clean install?

[Anne Robertson]

On 28 Jul 2012, at 08:55, Shen wrote:

> Wonder if those who are strong believers of a clean install are all x Windows 
> users. Hahaha!!!

No way! I've never been a Windows user. I've been a Mac user for 16 years and I 
strongly recommend a clean install. Problems can be carried over from one OS to 
the next, so it's a good time to clean things up.

Lion was the first OS that could be installed on top of the previous one, and 
I've seen so many people with problems from doing that.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: Busy, busy everywhere

[Chris Meredith]

I tend to run into it primarily in Xcode, fact that I have a ate 2011 MacBook 
Pro with 8 GB of memory notwithstanding.
Thing is, if, as reported previously, the lag goes away when one removes 
VoiceOver from the equation and uses a working monitor, might the problem be 
with the way that VoiceOver is interacting with applications?
On Jul 27, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> I don't get any busys at all, except every so often in iTunes when I go to
> the store. Then again, I am running a 2012 Macbook Air with 8GB of ram.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Busy, busy everywhere
> 
> Same here. I don't think I've had any busys at all,  and startup is a lot
> faster. I'm very, very glad I got Mountain Lion!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisette Wesseling
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Busy, busy everywhere
> 
> Hi Alex
> I would actually say the opposite. There is less busy busy on my 2011
> MacBook pro with 4 gb ram than in Lion. Start up is definitely faster and I
> think VO is a bit snappier.
> Lisette
> 
> On 28/07/2012, at 4:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone else noticed this? I went through enough of that constant 
>> busy stuff before I got a working monitor. If 10.8 causes those 
>> problems, I don't think I'll be upgrading until they're fixed.
>> 
>> On 7/27/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I suggest repairing permissions in disk utilities.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Christine Grassman 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Since installing ML, I am noticing a huge increase in "busy"
 messages in Mail, Safari, Finder -- everywhere. Exceedingly 
 annoying. Sometimes, toggling VO off and on helps, but often not.
 Also, I've noticed that whenever I have to use VO space for 
 anything, it almost always requires a second or third press. Thoughts?
> Experiences?
 Work-arounds? TIA.
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Re: Can any Macbook User Confirm this?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all, sorry for the late post. Chris, my Macbook is a white Macbook with 4 
gigs of ram, and 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 duo. I don't know what else to be 
specific about.

Shawn
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Re: notification center

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Chris, in the last postings of this thread, you said that you remembered there 
being a way to set Growl up to work with Notification Center. I looked in 
system prefs under Notifications and saw no such setting. Also, in my list of 
applications in Growl preferences, Notification Center isn't there. How did you 
configure Growl to work with Notification Center?

Shawn
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RE: notification center

[Missy Hoppe]

Yes, I'm curious about this as well. After a bit of experimentation and a few 
visits to activity monitor, I've noticed that
Growl is no longer running at start-up, even if I manually add it. Growl 
Saphari and Growl Tunes are listed in start-up, but
not growl itself. I had to disable hardware growler for the time being, because 
if I let it run at startup, I get stuck in
this window that says hardware growler has no windows. Since I love it that 
Mountain Lion starts me off on the desktop like
Snowy Kitty did, I'm trying not to run anything at startup that might interfere 
with that.
Anyway, I'm guessing that all of these issues might be part of a bug that is 
fixed when new growl is released, but at the
moment, it seems that growl and notification center don't want to coexist, at 
least not by default. If I open my apps folder
and run growl manually, then it seems to work, but it refuses to run at startup 
even when I tell it to, and a lot of its
general options are either greyed out or missing entirely. Again, I suspect a 
lot will be fixed when Growl 2.0 is released.
So, it's just a matter of waiting and seeing what happens. I set up growl from 
within notification center, but that doesn't
help either. In fact, I'm wondering if that might be part of the problem that's 
preventing growl from running at start-up.
It's a puzzler for sure!
Missy

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notification center


Chris, in the last postings of this thread, you said that you remembered there 
being a way to set Growl up to work with
Notification Center. I looked in system prefs under Notifications and saw no 
such setting. Also, in my list of applications
in Growl preferences, Notification Center isn't there. How did you configure 
Growl to work with Notification Center? 

Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book


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Re: notification center

[Ricardo Walker]

Interesting,

I'm using the old version of growl and, it runs side by side with notification 
center and, its button is in system preferences still.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:34 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Yes, I'm curious about this as well. After a bit of experimentation and a few 
> visits to activity monitor, I've noticed that
> Growl is no longer running at start-up, even if I manually add it. Growl 
> Saphari and Growl Tunes are listed in start-up, but
> not growl itself. I had to disable hardware growler for the time being, 
> because if I let it run at startup, I get stuck in
> this window that says hardware growler has no windows. Since I love it that 
> Mountain Lion starts me off on the desktop like
> Snowy Kitty did, I'm trying not to run anything at startup that might 
> interfere with that.
> Anyway, I'm guessing that all of these issues might be part of a bug that is 
> fixed when new growl is released, but at the
> moment, it seems that growl and notification center don't want to coexist, at 
> least not by default. If I open my apps folder
> and run growl manually, then it seems to work, but it refuses to run at 
> startup even when I tell it to, and a lot of its
> general options are either greyed out or missing entirely. Again, I suspect a 
> lot will be fixed when Growl 2.0 is released.
> So, it's just a matter of waiting and seeing what happens. I set up growl 
> from within notification center, but that doesn't
> help either. In fact, I'm wondering if that might be part of the problem 
> that's preventing growl from running at start-up.
> It's a puzzler for sure!
> Missy
> 
>  _  
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: notification center
> 
> 
> Chris, in the last postings of this thread, you said that you remembered 
> there being a way to set Growl up to work with
> Notification Center. I looked in system prefs under Notifications and saw no 
> such setting. Also, in my list of applications
> in Growl preferences, Notification Center isn't there. How did you configure 
> Growl to work with Notification Center? 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my white Mac Book
> 
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Re: clean install?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I don't think so.  I know for a fact you could install snow leopard over 
leopard.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:22 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 08:55, Shen wrote:
> 
>> Wonder if those who are strong believers of a clean install are all x 
>> Windows users. Hahaha!!!
> 
> No way! I've never been a Windows user. I've been a Mac user for 16 years and 
> I strongly recommend a clean install. Problems can be carried over from one 
> OS to the next, so it's a good time to clean things up.
> 
> Lion was the first OS that could be installed on top of the previous one, and 
> I've seen so many people with problems from doing that.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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RE: notification center

[Missy Hoppe]

Hmm. That makes this even more puzzling. I'm running the new version of growl 
from the app store because somewhere along the
line, I thought I had to switch to that. I think I have the old version on a 
USB drive, though, and if it actually works with
ML, maybe I'll just go back to it.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notification center

Interesting,

I'm using the old version of growl and, it runs side by side with notification 
center and, its button is in system
preferences still.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:34 AM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:

> Yes, I'm curious about this as well. After a bit of experimentation
> and a few visits to activity monitor, I've noticed that Growl is no
> longer running at start-up, even if I manually add it. Growl Saphari
> and Growl Tunes are listed in start-up, but not growl itself. I had to
> disable hardware growler for the time being, because if I let it run at 
> startup, I get stuck in this window that says
hardware growler has no windows. Since I love it that Mountain Lion starts me 
off on the desktop like Snowy Kitty did, I'm
trying not to run anything at startup that might interfere with that.
> Anyway, I'm guessing that all of these issues might be part of a bug
> that is fixed when new growl is released, but at the moment, it seems
> that growl and notification center don't want to coexist, at least not
> by default. If I open my apps folder and run growl manually, then it seems to 
> work, but it refuses to run at startup even
when I tell it to, and a lot of its general options are either greyed out or 
missing entirely. Again, I suspect a lot will be
fixed when Growl 2.0 is released.
> So, it's just a matter of waiting and seeing what happens. I set up
> growl from within notification center, but that doesn't help either. In fact, 
> I'm wondering if that might be part of the
problem that's preventing growl from running at start-up.
> It's a puzzler for sure!
> Missy
>
>  _
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: notification center
>
>
> Chris, in the last postings of this thread, you said that you
> remembered there being a way to set Growl up to work with Notification
> Center. I looked in system prefs under Notifications and saw no such setting. 
> Also, in my list of applications in Growl
preferences, Notification Center isn't there. How did you configure Growl to 
work with Notification Center?
>
> Shawn
> Sent from my white Mac Book
>
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Re: Mountain Lion Installed, Question re I Message.

[chris hallsworth]

Only the iPhone allows you to send iMessages using a mobile number. The 
other devices will only allow you to send iMessages to an e-mail 
address.- Original Message - 
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:37 AM
Subject: Mountain Lion Installed, Question re I Message.


The subject line says it all but when I write an I message how do I find a 
mobile number as I can find person's e-mail. On the I phone it gives all 
fields but not so on the Mac. I am still playing with Mountain Lion.


Kawal.

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Re: first possible bug in ML

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Shen,

Thanks for trying so hard to help.  I don't have an encrypted hard drive, and 
no, I'm not pressing the FN key at all.  I may yet try a clean install, but 
since that's the only problem I'm having, I don't know if it's worth all that 
work. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:02 AM, Shen  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard 
> drive right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an 
> encrypted hard drive.
> OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you after 
> installing Mount Lion.
> I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install 
> versus upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still brainstorming 
> for you.
> I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to the 
> Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
> Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the 
> function key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing that.
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shen,
>> 
>> When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the volume 
>> keys.
>> 
>> The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
>> "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, and 
>> then end up in another window that says something like "System Core UI has 
>> no Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  It's all 
>> very odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I have no 
>> issues, i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at all.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
>>> things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
>>> experienced.
>>> Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
>>> Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
>>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
>>> screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
>>> Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
>>> press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
>>> wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
>>> should hear speech.
>>> I know this is a pain in the butt.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 Hi Matthew,
 
 Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
 Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
 wrote:
 
> Hi Donna.
> I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I guess
> it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
> I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and I'll
> report back on any feedback I get.
> 
> On 2012-07-27, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've waited a good couple of minutes.  Also, when I interact and enter my
>> password, I am able to log in.  And I have done what you suggested.
>> Still not getting VO at login.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Shen  wrote:
>> 
>>> How long are you waiting before realizing VoiceOver is not coming on? Is
>>> it possible the system is still booting up?
>>> Also, just for giggles, unchecked the checkbox for starting VoiceOver at
>>> the login screen. Close the Preferences, open it again and check the box
>>> again.
>>> I would do a complete shut down, then startup.
>>> Hope that will help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Yes it is checked.  I've now set my Mac to log in automatically, but I
 hope that isn't the only long-term solution.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
  wrote:
 
> Are you sure that you have voiceover in your login items system prefs
> paine under users set to read at the log on screen?  What if you hit
> command+F5 to turn it on manually?
> 
> If that doesn't work, try fn+Command+F5, provided you have an fn key.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:33 PM
> Subject: first possible bug in ML
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, I think I've found my first bug with ML.  I no longer have
>> speech during the log-in process.  To test this, shut down your Mac
>> and reboot. You can still log in, but you will have no speech while
>> you are doing it. Can anyone confirm?
>> Thanks,

Re: Non-English braille tables in Mountain Lion

[David Hole]

Hi.

I'm using the norwegian table, and nothing has changed to the better.

-David

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> I use the Spanish table, and have never found any issues with it under Lion; 
> I haven't yet tried it under Mountain Lion.  The general focus issues with 
> Braille displays, regardless of the language table are, I sincerely hope, 
> improved.
>
> Harry
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> I'd like to ask those of you who use non-English tables whether the problems 
>> reported under Lion have been fixed in Mountain lion?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Andrew
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Re: shortcut for muting speech

[Stacey Robinson]

Mark,
I got it. I found that in Keyboard commander. Once I hooked up my usb keyboard 
all went well.

On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> You can do this with Keyboard Commander; I know there's a "mute speech," 
> option in the Navigation submenu, I believe.  
> 
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Re: A question about iTunes syncing

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

if it is music or other media excluding audiobooks, you can easily redownload 
them from the iTunes store.  That being said, I would just backup and migrate 
that as well.  You can also just copy the entire iTunes folder to an external 
drive, then put it back on your hard drive later.

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On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> You'd better backup and get your music migrated. I am not sure about the 
> method you describe, but all of the articles I've read recommend that you 
> backup and then migrate. If you lose your iTunes library, I'm not sure how 
> you'd get yourp your purchases back.
> 
> Andrew
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 05:47, James Malone wrote:
> 
>> Hi there folks. I am about to download and install ML here on my
>> macbook, but I had a question. If an iTunes library gets erased, but
>> you still have all the stuff on your iPod, is it possible to make it
>> so that the stuff goes from your iPod to the iTunes library instead of
>> the other way round? Sure I can backup, that's no problem. Just
>> wondered if it could be done.
>> Cheers.
>> 
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Question about reading with a Braille display and VoiceOver

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
My SyncBraille 20 is up and running nicely with SL and I've created a nice 
shortcut for muting speech.
Now, if I mute my speech, how do I read email messages?
When I intereact with VOJ I'm not seeing all of the message.
Can any braille display users give me tips?
Thanks,

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Re: first possible bug in ML

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Donna,

have you tried repairing permissions since you've upgraded to mountain lion?  
I've just turned on manual login , and restarted my MBP.  VO started up right 
away and announced I was in a security edit field.  I will monitor this over 
the weekend to see if this problem pops up for me.  BTW, do you have your Mac 
set to display all user accounts or, do you need to enter that manually?

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Shen,
> 
> Thanks for trying so hard to help.  I don't have an encrypted hard drive, and 
> no, I'm not pressing the FN key at all.  I may yet try a clean install, but 
> since that's the only problem I'm having, I don't know if it's worth all that 
> work. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:02 AM, Shen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard 
>> drive right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an 
>> encrypted hard drive.
>> OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you after 
>> installing Mount Lion.
>> I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install 
>> versus upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still 
>> brainstorming for you.
>> I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to the 
>> Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
>> Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the 
>> function key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing 
>> that.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Shen,
>>> 
>>> When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the 
>>> volume keys.
>>> 
>>> The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
>>> "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, 
>>> and then end up in another window that says something like "System Core UI 
>>> has no Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  It's 
>>> all very odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I have no 
>>> issues, i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at all.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna,
 Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
 things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
 experienced.
 Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
 Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
 Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
 screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
 Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
 press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
 wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
 should hear speech.
 I know this is a pain in the butt.
 
 
 
 
 On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
> 
> Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
> Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I guess
>> it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
>> I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and 
>> I'll
>> report back on any feedback I get.
>> 
>> On 2012-07-27, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've waited a good couple of minutes.  Also, when I interact and enter 
>>> my
>>> password, I am able to log in.  And I have done what you suggested.
>>> Still not getting VO at login.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Shen  wrote:
>>> 
 How long are you waiting before realizing VoiceOver is not coming on? 
 Is
 it possible the system is still booting up?
 Also, just for giggles, unchecked the checkbox for starting VoiceOver 
 at
 the login screen. Close the Preferences, open it again and check the 
 box
 again.
 I would do a complete shut down, then startup.
 Hope that will help.
 
 
 On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Yes it is checked.  I've now set my Mac to log in automatically, but I
> hope that isn't the only long-term solution.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>  wrote:
> 
>> Are you sure that you have voiceover in your login items system prefs
>> paine under users set to read at the log on screen?  Wha

Re: A question about iTunes syncing

[Ricardo Walker]

I hesitate to say no but, its almost no. lol.  It theoretically can be done 
but, the conditions would have to be right and, you might need some 3rd party 
app or, possibly jailbreaking your device.  I hope I just didn't confuse the 
heck out of you. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:47 AM, James Malone  wrote:

> Hi there folks. I am about to download and install ML here on my
> macbook, but I had a question. If an iTunes library gets erased, but
> you still have all the stuff on your iPod, is it possible to make it
> so that the stuff goes from your iPod to the iTunes library instead of
> the other way round? Sure I can backup, that's no problem. Just
> wondered if it could be done.
> Cheers.
> 
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Re: where does mountain lion download to?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

it downloads to your applications folder.  But, after the downloads finishes, a 
dialog pops up asking you to press continue to start the installation process.

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On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:

> HI.  purchased mountain kitty and went out while it downloaded.  However when 
> i got home, i can't find it anywhere.  I thought maybe it didn't download so 
> I am currently redownloading it.  Where does ml download to?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
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> 
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Re: why can't Textedit serve as a replacement for MS Word?

[William Windels]

Hello all,
This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting  discussion and 
I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays.

What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of others 
without distroying the made lay-out.
The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't 
accessible at all, right?
Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks of ms 
office documents.

So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until???

Kind regards,
William Windels
Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee  
het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. 
> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html
> 
> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. 
> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, then 
> it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception of 
> sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what I'm about 
> to try to describe to you will probably be the most common situation. Another 
> note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from previous Mac OS versions then 
> I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be all that much different. 
> 
> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and try 
> it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably notice. 
> Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download Bean. Once 
> you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the download. Afther you've 
> done this quickly press Command option L this will open the download dialog 
> box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't happen i.e. the dialog box doesn't 
> come up, it has been in my experience that it has already downloaded. 
> However, if you catch the dialog then just wait for it to disappear and that 
> should of downloaded it too. 
> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find 
> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. 
> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it should 
> be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to it is to 
> issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your home 
> directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it with 
> command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. Open this 
> again with command O. there should be two times in there but what you want is 
> the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you haven't gotten your 
> file extensions enabled for you to reconize what extension your dealing with 
> but trust me its an .app extention. If you want I'll tell you about how to 
> enable that in another post but for now you want to copy this and place it in 
> the application's folder. Copy command is Command C. Now close all your 
> finder windows till you get to the desktop and to get to the application 
> folder its simply a command shift A keystroke now paste the app in with 
> command V and Bang! Its installed! The final thing you need to do is eject 
> the disc image from the desktop this can be done with command E. Now go back 
> to the application folder and open bean with Command O. A dialog box should 
> pop up but just hit ok or whatever it it says. I can't remember now but once 
> you dismiss that box, you will be in the bean application. Oh and to quit it, 
> that is Command Q once your done messing around getting a feel for the word 
> processor. 
> 
> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it 
> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a year 
> and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with programmes 
> than windows. That's just an opinion though.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Daniel
> 
> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote:
> 
>> Hello Johnny,
>> The right link is:
>> Download Bean
>> 
>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with the 
>> save as option.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Well I too went to rosie's page and I found an executable install link for 
>>> Bean.  I first did a cmd+enter on it and something happened, but I couldn't 
>>> tell you what.  Then I tried a VO+spacebar and got a file not found on this 
>>> server with a 404 error page. So lets face it. I think I need to come to 
>>> grips with myself and admit that I am in need of some serious downloading 
>>> help.  Wouldn't you say so? I really don't know if I actually downloaded 
>>> anything or not. you see, my so called State-paid instructor set my Macbook 
>>> up and never taught me anything. I remember finding a database program 
>>> recommended by this wonderful group, but he couldn't tell me how to get it 
>>> installed on my MBP. Anyway, please

Re: first possible bug in ML

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Ricardo,

Yeah, I tried repairing permissions yesterday, and it didn't solve the problem. 
 I do have my Mac set to display all user accounts. 

thanks, I'll look forward to hearing if you have any issues.  This truly is 
strange.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> have you tried repairing permissions since you've upgraded to mountain lion?  
> I've just turned on manual login , and restarted my MBP.  VO started up right 
> away and announced I was in a security edit field.  I will monitor this over 
> the weekend to see if this problem pops up for me.  BTW, do you have your Mac 
> set to display all user accounts or, do you need to enter that manually?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shen,
>> 
>> Thanks for trying so hard to help.  I don't have an encrypted hard drive, 
>> and no, I'm not pressing the FN key at all.  I may yet try a clean install, 
>> but since that's the only problem I'm having, I don't know if it's worth all 
>> that work. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:02 AM, Shen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard 
>>> drive right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an 
>>> encrypted hard drive.
>>> OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you after 
>>> installing Mount Lion.
>>> I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install 
>>> versus upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still 
>>> brainstorming for you.
>>> I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to the 
>>> Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
>>> Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the 
>>> function key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Shen,
 
 When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the 
 volume keys.
 
 The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
 "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, 
 and then end up in another window that says something like "System Core UI 
 has no Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  It's 
 all very odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I have no 
 issues, i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at all.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
 
> Hi Donna,
> Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
> things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
> experienced.
> Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
> Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
> Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
> screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
> Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
> press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
> wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
> should hear speech.
> I know this is a pain in the butt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> Hi Matthew,
>> 
>> Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
>> Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I 
>>> guess
>>> it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
>>> I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and 
>>> I'll
>>> report back on any feedback I get.
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-27, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I've waited a good couple of minutes.  Also, when I interact and enter 
 my
 password, I am able to log in.  And I have done what you suggested.
 Still not getting VO at login.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Shen  wrote:
 
> How long are you waiting before realizing VoiceOver is not coming on? 
> Is
> it possible the system is still booting up?
> Also, just for giggles, unchecked the checkbox for starting VoiceOver 
> at
> the login screen. Close the Preferences, open it again and check the 
> box
> again.
> I would do a complete shut down, then startup.
> Hope that will help.
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 

working with data detectors?

[Alex Hall]

Hiall,
I was reading an email to find a guy's phone number. I found it, and vo said 
"signature detected". I'd love it if the mac could automagically put the 
contact info into a new ocntact for me, but I don't know how to do it. How 
would I go about this, or any data detector, like an event or email detection? 
I am running Mountain Lion if that matters. Thanks.


Have a great day,
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Re: ML Mail

[Robert Carter]

Hi Laura Ann,

If you restart your computer, it will start working again.

Robert Carter
On Jul 27, 2012, at 5:52 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
 wrote:

> It worked yesterday with right arrow to expand in mail and left arrow to 
> collapse but  today I have to go to the menu and expand all or collapse all 
> to do this.
> How do I get it back to right and left arrow working to do this.
> 
> I have quick nav off.
> Laura Ann
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Re: why can't Textedit serve as a replacement for MS Word?

[Alex Hall]

The way I see it, you have one other choice: only use Mac! If you have a doc or 
docx file, will converting it to rtf, then saving it in that format, solve the 
problem? I suppose this isn't a surprise, though, as no two editors do things 
the same way, so compatibility in all aspects of formatting is probably never 
going to happen. I'm okay with moving away from a massively expensive and slow 
program like Office and using lower-cost one like Pages, or free ones like 
Textedit. Maybe we can help stop the monopoly Office has over anyone wanting to 
do wordprocessing...
On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:42, William Windels  wrote:

> Hello all,
> This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting  discussion 
> and I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays.
> 
> What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of 
> others without distroying the made lay-out.
> The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't 
> accessible at all, right?
> Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks of 
> ms office documents.
> 
> So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until???
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. 
>> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html
>> 
>> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. 
>> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, then 
>> it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception of 
>> sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what I'm 
>> about to try to describe to you will probably be the most common situation. 
>> Another note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from previous Mac OS 
>> versions then I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be all that much 
>> different. 
>> 
>> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and try 
>> it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably notice. 
>> Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download Bean. Once 
>> you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the download. Afther 
>> you've done this quickly press Command option L this will open the download 
>> dialog box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't happen i.e. the dialog box 
>> doesn't come up, it has been in my experience that it has already 
>> downloaded. However, if you catch the dialog then just wait for it to 
>> disappear and that should of downloaded it too. 
>> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find 
>> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. 
>> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it should 
>> be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to it is to 
>> issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your home 
>> directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it with 
>> command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. Open this 
>> again with command O. there should be two times in there but what you want 
>> is the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you haven't gotten your 
>> file extensions enabled for you to reconize what extension your dealing with 
>> but trust me its an .app extention. If you want I'll tell you about how to 
>> enable that in another post but for now you want to copy this and place it 
>> in the application's folder. Copy command is Command C. Now close all your 
>> finder windows till you get to the desktop and to get to the application 
>> folder its simply a command shift A keystroke now paste the app in with 
>> command V and Bang! Its installed! The final thing you need to do is eject 
>> the disc image from the desktop this can be done with command E. Now go back 
>> to the application folder and open bean with Command O. A dialog box should 
>> pop up but just hit ok or whatever it it says. I can't remember now but once 
>> you dismiss that box, you will be in the bean application. Oh and to quit 
>> it, that is Command Q once your done messing around getting a feel for the 
>> word processor. 
>> 
>> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it 
>> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a year 
>> and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with programmes 
>> than windows. That's just an opinion though.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Johnny,
>>> The right link is:
>>> Download Bean
>>> 
>>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with the 
>>> save as option.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> kind regards,
>>> William Windels
>>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
 Hi!
 
 Well I too w

Re: A question about iTunes syncing

[James Malone]

Ah ok, as I thought then. Thanks guys.

On 7/28/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> I hesitate to say no but, its almost no. lol.  It theoretically can be done
> but, the conditions would have to be right and, you might need some 3rd
> party app or, possibly jailbreaking your device.  I hope I just didn't
> confuse the heck out of you. :)
>
> Ricardo Walker
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> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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>
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:47 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>
>> Hi there folks. I am about to download and install ML here on my
>> macbook, but I had a question. If an iTunes library gets erased, but
>> you still have all the stuff on your iPod, is it possible to make it
>> so that the stuff goes from your iPod to the iTunes library instead of
>> the other way round? Sure I can backup, that's no problem. Just
>> wondered if it could be done.
>> Cheers.
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Re: first possible bug in ML

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

This is a pretty basic question but, I don't think I've seen it asked in this 
thread, have you tried turning up the volume?  Pressing f12 or, Function F12 
will raise the volume.  I notices that the headphone and internal speaker 
volumes are independent.  I guess it might be possible one or the other got 
turned down?  I know, its a wild shot but, stranger things have happened.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> Yeah, I tried repairing permissions yesterday, and it didn't solve the 
> problem.  I do have my Mac set to display all user accounts. 
> 
> thanks, I'll look forward to hearing if you have any issues.  This truly is 
> strange.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> have you tried repairing permissions since you've upgraded to mountain lion? 
>>  I've just turned on manual login , and restarted my MBP.  VO started up 
>> right away and announced I was in a security edit field.  I will monitor 
>> this over the weekend to see if this problem pops up for me.  BTW, do you 
>> have your Mac set to display all user accounts or, do you need to enter that 
>> manually?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Shen,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for trying so hard to help.  I don't have an encrypted hard drive, 
>>> and no, I'm not pressing the FN key at all.  I may yet try a clean install, 
>>> but since that's the only problem I'm having, I don't know if it's worth 
>>> all that work. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:02 AM, Shen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna,
 OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard 
 drive right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an 
 encrypted hard drive.
 OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you after 
 installing Mount Lion.
 I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install 
 versus upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still 
 brainstorming for you.
 I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to 
 the Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
 Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the 
 function key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing 
 that.
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hi Shen,
> 
> When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the 
> volume keys.
> 
> The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
> "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, 
> and then end up in another window that says something like "System Core 
> UI has no Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  
> It's all very odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I 
> have no issues, i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at 
> all.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
>> things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
>> experienced.
>> Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
>> Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
>> screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
>> Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
>> press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
>> wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
>> should hear speech.
>> I know this is a pain in the butt.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hi Matthew,
>>> 
>>> Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
>>> Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donna.
 I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I 
 guess
 it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
 I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and 
 I'll
 report back on any feedback I get.
 
 On 2012-07-27, at 9:28 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I've waited a good couple of minutes.  Also, when I interact and 
> enter my
> password, I am able to log in

Re: ML Mail

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I've also noticed just quitting mail, and opening it again will do the trick.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Robert Carter  wrote:

> Hi Laura Ann,
> 
> If you restart your computer, it will start working again.
> 
> Robert Carter
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 5:52 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> It worked yesterday with right arrow to expand in mail and left arrow to 
>> collapse but  today I have to go to the menu and expand all or collapse all 
>> to do this.
>> How do I get it back to right and left arrow working to do this.
>> 
>> I have quick nav off.
>> Laura Ann
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Re: Mountain Lion Installed, Question re I Message.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I sent an I message to a mobile using their phone when in I message on the Mac. 
 The steps I took to do it was as follows.

1.  Find the contact within I message.

2.  Press VO spacebar.  I then for experiment sake, did vo down arrow.  If you 
have the recepient's details filled in your contacts, you will see home tel, 
work tel, Messenger contact (which is not applicable) and their e-mail address. 
Just hit enter on what you want and you are ready to compose the Message and 
send.

I hope this is useful to those who wish to do this on their macs.

The only thing is how to delete a message from the Mac if you don't want to 
delete it from the I phone?

Kawal.

On 28 Jul 2012, at 11:00 AM, chris hallsworth  wrote:

> Only the iPhone allows you to send iMessages using a mobile number. The other 
> devices will only allow you to send iMessages to an e-mail address.- 
> Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: "macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:37 AM
> Subject: Mountain Lion Installed, Question re I Message.
> 
> 
>> The subject line says it all but when I write an I message how do I find a 
>> mobile number as I can find person's e-mail. On the I phone it gives all 
>> fields but not so on the Mac. I am still playing with Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: mountain Lion for non-English users

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
All the speech bugs that i wanted to be fixed in the Swedish Nuance/Realspeak 
voices are indeed fixed. The Swedish Oskar voice no longer clashes with the 
system voice making the system voice go silent. The strange announcing of 
characters when typing with typing echo set to characters are gone and so is 
the pitch bug, where the Realspeak voice suddenly would go either up or down in 
pitch for no apparent reason. Beware though that after installation of Mountain 
lion you have to go to "program update" and choose to update everything, and 
then you will get the voices you want.
I'm surpriced dictation isn't available in Dutch, since it's one of the "big" 
languages. What doesn't surprice me in the least though is that the dictation 
feature isn't available in Swedish, and probably never will be.
/Krister

25 jul 2012 kl. 22:12 skrev William Windels :

> Hello,
> I haven't still 10.8 because the update program of apple has problems but, I 
> can already write some toughts because of things I have heard of others:
> 
> For non-English users, 10.8 seems not so powerful and complete.
> I have heard that the speech bug  for the nuance voices isn't fixed since the 
> introduction a year ago ;)
> my address, william.wind...@gmail.com is spoken as willia.m@gmai.l
> 
> If this is really true, is this a joke that they don't fix this after a year?
> 
> Also,  the dictation function that is introduced in 10.8 covers only a few 
> languages and no dutch at the moment. I am courious when they will update 
> their languages.
> 
> I'll not completely negative about the new version until I have tested myself 
> for a while but I'll always critical about new versions since they fix bugs 
> very slow sometimes.
> 
> Any comments are appreciated,
> 
> kind regards,
> William Windels
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Re: working with data detectors?

[Henry D. Hollithron]

Good Day: 

Here is the relevant extract from chapter 7 of the VoiceOver Getting 
Started guide, which is the last option in the VoiceOver help menu. Of course, 
VoiceOver now appears to be more specific about which data has been detected, 
but I think the instructions still apply.

HTH:
Henry

Use data detectors in Mail messages
Mail can detect specific information or data in messages and make it easier for 
you to use the data. For example, Mail can recognize phone numbers and add them 
to Contacts, or recognize a date and time and create an event in Calendar.
In a message you’ve received, move the VoiceOver cursor over a phone number, 
email address, URL, street address, date, or time.
Mail outlines the data as a field with a pop-up menu, and VoiceOver speaks 
“data detector.”
To open a shortcut menu that contains commands for using the data, press 
VO-Shift-M.
For example, if the data detector is the URL of a website, you can choose Open 
URL from the shortcut menu.

On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:51, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hiall,
> I was reading an email to find a guy's phone number. I found it, and vo said 
> "signature detected". I'd love it if the mac could automagically put the 
> contact info into a new ocntact for me, but I don't know how to do it. How 
> would I go about this, or any data detector, like an event or email 
> detection? I am running Mountain Lion if that matters. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
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Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Jesus Garcia]

Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. First
I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting for me to
click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a installation disc
from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB thumb drive or must I
use a DVD? Thanks 
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userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[William Windels]

Hello,
I am searching but can't find a userguide for voiceover in 10.8.

The command vo+? gives a old and litle startersguid but not a usersguide.

With google, I can't find it also after a first look.
Any help would be appreciated,

kind regards,
William Windels 

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RE: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

That's what you need, is the VoiceOver quickstart. To my knowledge, there
isn't nor has there ever been a complete user guide for the mac with Vo
published by apple.

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Hello,
I am searching but can't find a userguide for voiceover in 10.8.

The command vo+? gives a old and litle startersguid but not a usersguide.

With google, I can't find it also after a first look.
Any help would be appreciated,

kind regards,
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Using Web Spots in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I have noticed since installing Mountain Lion all of my webspots are reversed 
meaning to jump down the page I am having to click VO shift left bracket to go 
right on the page and VO Shift right bracket to now go up the page. This is 
quite annoying as I have grown quite accustomed to the way everything was 
setup. Does anyone know if this is a setting that can be changed. I recall when 
Lion was introduced that I had to change the scrolling of the mouse as it was 
reversed to scroll down a page from what we were traditionally used to.

also what is the best way to navigate this group as it takes me forever to get 
through the email digest, and to go to the web page still seems pretty 
inaccessible as sometimes I can find the content using auto web spots in the 
rotor and other times there is nothing there. Thanks

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RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not install it.
Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts into ML.
Yes, you can use a 32GB drive.


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Subject: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. First
I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting for me to
click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a installation disc
from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB thumb drive or must I
use a DVD? Thanks Jesus Garcia

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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Have you tried the VO H help menu? 

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RE: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Daniel Miller]

That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
as that's comprehensive enough.


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Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

Have you tried the VO H help menu? 

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Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I tried my XP machine under Vmware, and i didn't see any problems for what i'm 
using it for. I also have a virtual Windows 7 machine but haven't tested it. 
What is the problem i should be looking for?
/Krister

25 jul 2012 kl. 20:27 skrev Eric Caron :

> Hi listers,
> 
>   Anyone who has upgraded to Mountain Lyon and who had a VM Fusion 
> installation, please let us know if the machine is still working nicely under 
> Mountain Lyon.  I'm especially interested in those with a JAWS VM as I had 
> authorization problems in the past.
> 
> Thanks for any reports.
> Eric Caron 
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Re: clean install?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You are correct with respect to problems being carried over from one version to 
another.  Depending on the problem, some are eliminated due to the newer 
components installed and some continue or are exacerbated.  So, it is, in many 
cases, an individual machine and personal experience that will determine which 
process to proceed with.

With respect to the upgrade of one OS to another as in Panther to Tiger, or 
Lion to Mountain Lion, the upgrade process has been around as long as I can 
remember.  I performed upgrade installs back in the OS 7, 8, 9 days and also 
used the upgrade process for my upgrade from Panther to Tiger when VO was first 
introduced.
Maybe I shouldn't have opened this can of worms.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-07-28, at 1:22 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 08:55, Shen wrote:
> 
>> Wonder if those who are strong believers of a clean install are all x 
>> Windows users. Hahaha!!!
> 
> No way! I've never been a Windows user. I've been a Mac user for 16 years and 
> I strongly recommend a clean install. Problems can be carried over from one 
> OS to the next, so it's a good time to clean things up.
> 
> Lion was the first OS that could be installed on top of the previous one, and 
> I've seen so many people with problems from doing that.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I'm successfully using my Alva Bc640 in bluetooth mode, and i've also used it 
successfully in Usb mode.
/Krister

26 jul 2012 kl. 08:34 skrev Johanna Herranen :

> Hi folks,
> I'm successfully using Baum VarioConnect 32 here with Mountain Lion. It's 
> connected via USB, but I could try Bluetooth too - out of curiosity. Speaking 
> of Braille suppor though, I wish one day they would fix all the issues with 
> International braille tables. 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, but wait a minute.
>> 
>> Can we be absolutely sure it's indeed braille display support in a whole 
>> that is messed up?  Sounds like you're using a bluetooth display.  Could it 
>> be that the issue only lies with BT displays, and not with regular connected 
>> u s b's?
>> 
>> I'll have my best friend tonight, if I get ahold of him try it with his PM 
>> 40 display.  It's not from the Omni, mind you, it's just the original 
>> display, but I know for a definite it worked in Lion, as he just left here 
>> from out of town about two days ago, and had the thing with him down here, 
>> and it was working great on LIon at that time, so who knows about M L 
>> though.  I hope it works, as if not, that'll be a deal breaker for him, 
>> seeing that he's an interpretor/translator.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:06 AM
>> Subject: Braille Support Broken in Mountain Lion!
>> 
>> 
>> I just tried to use my RefreshaBraille 18 display this evening and it 
>> doesn't work here anymore.  First off, I had previously defined it under 
>> Lion and successfully used it several times.  Tonight after the ML install, 
>> it would never connect.  So then I removed the device from the bluetooth 
>> list in the Braille device section of VO.  Then when I tried to pair it back 
>> up, I kept getting an error that VO couldn't load a device driver for this 
>> device.  Has anyone else had success getting any braille displays to work 
>> under Mountain Lion?
>> 
>> I will probably give Apple a call about this.  I sure hope they didn't break 
>> support like they did with the Hims devices on IOS.  BTW, I never got 
>> prompted to enter any pairing codes and I usually do when hooking up the 
>> Refreshabraille display.
>> 
>> Any ideas here?
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Re: clean install?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Tim,
yes, you're right. I'd forgotten about the Upgrade option. The difference now 
is that the upgrade is the default action and a clean install requires more 
effort.

I come from a systems programming background, so I always did a clean install, 
just as I've always done a complete backup of my system before installing a new 
OS.

Cheers,

Anne (a senior citizen with lapses of memory!)

On 28 Jul 2012, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You are correct with respect to problems being carried over from one version 
> to another.  Depending on the problem, some are eliminated due to the newer 
> components installed and some continue or are exacerbated.  So, it is, in 
> many cases, an individual machine and personal experience that will determine 
> which process to proceed with.
> 
> With respect to the upgrade of one OS to another as in Panther to Tiger, or 
> Lion to Mountain Lion, the upgrade process has been around as long as I can 
> remember.  I performed upgrade installs back in the OS 7, 8, 9 days and also 
> used the upgrade process for my upgrade from Panther to Tiger when VO was 
> first introduced.
> Maybe I shouldn't have opened this can of worms.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[William Windels]

Hello all,
the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about voiceover  
and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with the mac.

ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
voiceover in 10.6.
That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!

Kind regards,
William Windels

http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
volgende geschreven:

> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
> as that's comprehensive enough.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
> Baxter
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
> 
> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
> 
> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Removing mailboxes from your favourites group

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Lisette,

You can drag the mailboxes back to the list.. I use whatever method I can, 
whether it's the VO-command-space method or the VO-comma, period, less and 
greater methods, or the trackpad. These are simply shortcuts to the actual 
mailboxes.

HtH,
Teresa

On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi folks
> Thanks to all for answering the questions' we've all had. I've learned so 
> much over the last few days thanks to all the keystrokes and detailed 
> instructions. I learned how to drag and drop things into my favourites bar, 
> but how do you remove things from there. I've got 7 mailboxes there now and 
> need to remove some.
> I think Ricardo did a podcast on this but the steps there don't work for me. 
> Maybe this has changed in ML.
> If anybody has some ideas I'd be grateful.
> 
> Cheers
> Lisette
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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Les Kriegler]

I don't think the User Guide is out yet.  I asked an Apple rep about this very 
thing, and he stated that it wold be about a month before the actual Mt. Lion 
User Guide will be released.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:46 AM, William Windels  wrote:

> Hello all,
> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about voiceover 
>  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with the mac.
> 
> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
> voiceover in 10.6.
> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
>> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
>> as that's comprehensive enough.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>> Baxter
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>> 
>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>> 
>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: first possible bug in ML

[Donna Goodin]

Yep, that was the first thing I tried.  Never hurts to ask, though. :)
Donna
On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is a pretty basic question but, I don't think I've seen it asked in this 
> thread, have you tried turning up the volume?  Pressing f12 or, Function F12 
> will raise the volume.  I notices that the headphone and internal speaker 
> volumes are independent.  I guess it might be possible one or the other got 
> turned down?  I know, its a wild shot but, stranger things have happened.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> 
>> Yeah, I tried repairing permissions yesterday, and it didn't solve the 
>> problem.  I do have my Mac set to display all user accounts. 
>> 
>> thanks, I'll look forward to hearing if you have any issues.  This truly is 
>> strange.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> have you tried repairing permissions since you've upgraded to mountain 
>>> lion?  I've just turned on manual login , and restarted my MBP.  VO started 
>>> up right away and announced I was in a security edit field.  I will monitor 
>>> this over the weekend to see if this problem pops up for me.  BTW, do you 
>>> have your Mac set to display all user accounts or, do you need to enter 
>>> that manually?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Shen,
 
 Thanks for trying so hard to help.  I don't have an encrypted hard drive, 
 and no, I'm not pressing the FN key at all.  I may yet try a clean 
 install, but since that's the only problem I'm having, I don't know if 
 it's worth all that work. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:02 AM, Shen  wrote:
 
> Hi Donna,
> OK, just so we cover all possibilities. You don't have an encrypted hard 
> drive right? Because VoiceOver does not speak at the login screen with an 
> encrypted hard drive.
> OK, let's assume you don't have that since this just happened to you 
> after installing Mount Lion.
> I posted an email a few moments ago about the merits of a clean install 
> versus upgrade. I am out of ideas at the moment, but I am still 
> brainstorming for you.
> I think your next step is probably taking the machine in and show it to 
> the Genius Bar. I assume it is a laptop.
> Also, since you mentioned Dictation, I found out that by pressing the 
> function key twice, you enable Dictation. So hopefully you are not doing 
> that.
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shen,
>> 
>> When I'm logging in, no key presses work, not Command F5, and not the 
>> volume keys.
>> 
>> The other thing that's weird is when I get logged in, VO first says 
>> "Dictation IM has no windows".  I squirm around until I get out of that, 
>> and then end up in another window that says something like "System Core 
>> UI has no Windows."  More squirming till I eventually get out of that.  
>> It's all very odd.  And if I set login prefs to log in automatically, I 
>> have no issues, i.e. the Dictation And Core UI windows don't appear at 
>> all.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Shen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Not sure why this is happening to you. Then again, I have strange
>>> things happen to my VoiceOver as well that I'm sure no one has
>>> experienced.
>>> Please do let me know what happens if you decide to call Apple
>>> Accessibility or bring your machine into the Genius Bar.
>>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried pressing Command-F5 at the login
>>> screen to see if VoiceOver starts or not?
>>> Let's say, that VoiceOver is running, but just isn't speaking. If you
>>> press Command-F5, that will then turn it off. Assuming nothing else is
>>> wrong, if you press Command-F5 again, it should come back on and you
>>> should hear speech.
>>> I know this is a pain in the butt.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/27/12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 Hi Matthew,
 
 Well, glad I'm not the only one experiencing this.  I wrote to Apple
 Accessibility also, so I'll let you know if I hear anything.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Matthew Campbell 
 
 wrote:
 
> Hi Donna.
> I to am seeing this. In my case, it seems to work every so often. I 
> guess
> it needs to be in the right mood to work properly. *Smile*.
> I'm going to send a message to apple accessibility about this one and 
> I'll
> repo

RE: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Daniel Miller]

Hello,

Yes, the guide is out, I just went to it on my mac. That link William gave
is the SL version, but accessing the getting started guide under ML gives
you the ML version of that same guide.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

I don't think the User Guide is out yet.  I asked an Apple rep about this
very thing, and he stated that it wold be about a month before the actual
Mt. Lion User Guide will be released.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:46 AM, William Windels 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about
voiceover  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with
the mac.
> 
> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for
voiceover in 10.6.
> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het
volgende geschreven:
> 
>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He 
>> wants a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never 
>> been, seeing as that's comprehensive enough.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark 
>> BurningHawk Baxter
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>> 
>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>> 
>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Question about reading with a Braille display and VoiceOver

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Stacey,

I'm not familiar with your Braille display. You might try checking out your 
list of commands in VO utility's Braille section. You can also turn on keyboard 
help and press Braille keys to hear a description of what they do. You are 
looking for pan-left and pan-right keys.

HtH
Teresa

On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Hi all,
> My SyncBraille 20 is up and running nicely with SL and I've created a nice 
> shortcut for muting speech.
> Now, if I mute my speech, how do I read email messages?
> When I intereact with VOJ I'm not seeing all of the message.
> Can any braille display users give me tips?
> Thanks,
> 
> Stacey Robinson
> stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> 
> 
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Re: ML Mail

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

Thanks Robert,
I did and it is.


Laura Ann

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Re: clean install?

[Teresa Cochran]

It turns out that the joke is on me, anyway. The original problem that caused 
me to do two reinstalls is back again, namely, sys diagnose files randomly 
opening up finder windows. However, VO is much more responsive after my clean 
install this time. I'm not sure which I'll do with the next upgrade.

Teresa

On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Shen  wrote:

> Wonder if those who are strong believers of a clean install are all x Windows 
> users. Hahaha!!!
> Keep in mind that the Mac OS X is a very large and complex operating 
> software. As you can see in the App Store download, it is over 4.3 GB.
> In the history of software computing, nothing has worked 100 percent 
> perfectly with no bugs. Bugs are bound to happen.
> Isolated incidents are inevitable.
> Having said that, I will share my experience.
> I am guilty as charged of my own statement. I also thought that a clean 
> install will make my Mac run faster and more smoothly. I first installed Lion 
> as an upgrade over Snow Leopard. I had problems. Most of the bugs are small, 
> none are show-stoppers. So I decided to do a clean install. Yes, things 
> improved, but not in such a way that convinced me the clean install was the 
> solution. I come to believe now that Lion was just a buggy version.
> When Mountain Lion came out, I installed it as an upgrade over Lion. Boy was 
> it a huge difference over Lion. My startup time is much faster, and in just a 
> few days of using it, I've not had any problems. So essentially, Mountain 
> Lion made a better Mac out of my machine.
> I think it's an individual situation. If upgrading is not doing it for you, 
> perhaps a clean install will take care of it. But don't think of upgrades as 
> different from a clean install. Remember, if you think clean installs are 
> better, you must be a Windows user. Lol!
> Upgrade is just as good as a clean install. At the moment, I have no desire 
> to do a clean install of Mountain Lion.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Dan Roy  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Tim:
>> 
>> You've ben doing this for a long time.  You've also helped a lot of people 
>> on this list.  So, believe me, I respect and trust your judgement.
>> 
>> However, when I purchased Lion last year, I did do an upgrade installation.  
>> Believe me, I wanted to do that, also, a lot of knowledgeable people like 
>> yourself told me it was no problem.  However, something went wrong in my 
>> case!  voiceover didn't behave well at all, moving around on web pages by 
>> heading etc, just didn't work half the time.  I was having all kinds of 
>> problems like that.
>> 
>> So, I went back and did a clean install.  After that, I was much much 
>> happier.
>> 
>> So, when I got ml, I simply took the extra time and did the clean install 
>> and then used the migration wizard to retrieve all my data.  I didn't really 
>> even want to do that, because, it retrieved all my settings and preferences, 
>> so, really, this isn't a complete fresh install.  But, so far, it's working 
>> ok.
>> 
>> there are a few annoying things, but, it has nothing to do with performance, 
>> just new things voiceover says that I think we could do without
>> 
>> So, I guess it just boils down to whatever works for the individual person.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion of course but I'll pipe in here with a further comment.  I 
>>> do hear a lot of folks on this list speaking of using Clean Installs.  I'm 
>>> guessing that they may be coming from a Windows background where clean 
>>> installs seem to be needed more often due to corrupt files.  For the most 
>>> part though, in the MacOS, this is unnecessary unless you are experiencing 
>>> very erratic behavior.  99 times out of 100 I've been able to fix the issue 
>>> by repairing disk permissions or removing and reinstalling an offending 
>>> app.  People should do what they are most comfortable doing although I'm 
>>> one who doesn't care spending a huge amount of time fiddling with things 
>>> when I could be enjoying them instead.
>>> 
>>> Have a good one all.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-27, at 3:41 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I agree with you for the most part, Tim. However, after having my Mac Mini 
 for two years without doing a clean install, VO began muting itself 
 spontaneously, and a sys diagnose file began appearing without warning in 
 a finder window. I decided to use a clean install to clear these things 
 up. Believe me, I do think the upgrades are much, much easier, and I will 
 use them as long as my machine isn't acting up.
 
 Teresa
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, the clean install would be totally unnecessary.  I've done 
> 100s or even 1000s of upgrade installs in my career and have only 
> experienced one problem.  The upgrade process is te

Re: Question about reading with a Braille display and VoiceOver

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi Thersa,
Thanks so much for the suggestion. I found what I was looking for there.
If I have speech muted and I want to read through email messages, what would be 
the easist way to do this?

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, Stacey,
> 
> I'm not familiar with your Braille display. You might try checking out your 
> list of commands in VO utility's Braille section. You can also turn on 
> keyboard help and press Braille keys to hear a description of what they do. 
> You are looking for pan-left and pan-right keys.
> 
> HtH
> Teresa
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> My SyncBraille 20 is up and running nicely with SL and I've created a nice 
>> shortcut for muting speech.
>> Now, if I mute my speech, how do I read email messages?
>> When I intereact with VOJ I'm not seeing all of the message.
>> Can any braille display users give me tips?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stacey Robinson
>> stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[trahern culver]

hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

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Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[trahern culver]

hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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Re: Removing mailboxes from your favourites group

[William Windels]

Hello,
I am also interesting in this.
I have used a workaround for this by disabling the account that I want to 
remove from the favorites.
This works for me situation but isn't of course useful for everyone who want to 
remove a folder from the favorites in mail.

Kind regards,
william Windels
Op 28-jul.-2012, om 04:15 heeft Lisette Wesseling  
het volgende geschreven:

> Hi folks
> Thanks to all for answering the questions' we've all had. I've learned so 
> much over the last few days thanks to all the keystrokes and detailed 
> instructions. I learned how to drag and drop things into my favourites bar, 
> but how do you remove things from there. I've got 7 mailboxes there now and 
> need to remove some.
> I think Ricardo did a podcast on this but the steps there don't work for me. 
> Maybe this has changed in ML.
> If anybody has some ideas I'd be grateful.
> 
> Cheers
> Lisette
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RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Daniel Miller]

Install the latest version of dropbox.

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To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick
dropbox folder?

hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop box
folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop box sub menu
has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

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RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Jesus Garcia]

Great thanks I will first make a copy then do the installation. It seems
from the comments on this list that it would be best to do a completely
clean install. 

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Subject: RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Hi,

You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not install it.
Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts into ML.
Yes, you can use a 32GB drive.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesus Garcia
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Subject: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. First
I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting for me to
click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a installation disc
from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB thumb drive or must I
use a DVD? Thanks Jesus Garcia

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RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Daniel Miller]

Yes, I would also recommend doing that, as doing an upgrade can cause issues
that may not crop up for a while.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesus Garcia
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Subject: RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Great thanks I will first make a copy then do the installation. It seems
from the comments on this list that it would be best to do a completely
clean install. 

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Subject: RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Hi,

You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not install it.
Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts into ML.
Yes, you can use a 32GB drive.


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Subject: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. First
I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting for me to
click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a installation disc
from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB thumb drive or must I
use a DVD? Thanks Jesus Garcia

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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Esther]

Hi William,

I'm adapting a post made yesterday on the mac-access list to give you a link to 
the URL for the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8) 
that you want. I assume you would prefer a version in Dutch:
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/Dutch.lproj/index.html

For English speakers, the link to the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for 
Mountain Lion is:
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/index.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:46 AM, William Windels wrote:

> Hello all,
> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about voiceover 
>  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with the mac.
> 
> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
> voiceover in 10.6.
> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
>> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
>> as that's comprehensive enough.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>> Baxter
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>> 
>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>> 
>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up in 
Itunes.

Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes store.

What should I search under?
I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.
Laura Ann

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> Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, known 
> as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to cover this 
> brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase Crispin speaks 
> with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features in Mountain Lion. 
> David then demonstrates some of the new changes in accessibility that you 
> will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will bring you more demos of 
> Mountain Lion functions in the coming weeks as well.
>  
> This is an exciting show that you won't want to miss, especially if you are a 
> Mac user who is going to upgrade, or who has just upgraded, to Mountain Lion.
>  
> Main Menu can first be heard on Fridays at 9:00 pm Eastern time. It airs 
> throughout Saturday on ACB Radio Mainstream. 
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RE: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Daniel Miller]

It's not a podcast.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

 

When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up
in Itunes.

 

Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes
store.

 

What should I search under?

I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.

Laura Ann

 

On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Tanner wrote:





Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, known
as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to cover this
brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase Crispin speaks
with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features in Mountain Lion.
David then demonstrates some of the new changes in accessibility that you
will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will bring you more demos of
Mountain Lion functions in the coming weeks as well.

 

This is an exciting show that you won't want to miss, especially if you are
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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Esther,

The English link you provided took me to the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi William,
> 
> I'm adapting a post made yesterday on the mac-access list to give you a link 
> to the URL for the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Mountain Lion (OS X 
> 10.8) that you want. I assume you would prefer a version in Dutch:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/Dutch.lproj/index.html
> 
> For English speakers, the link to the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for 
> Mountain Lion is:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/index.html
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:46 AM, William Windels wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about 
>> voiceover  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with 
>> the mac.
>> 
>> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
>> voiceover in 10.6.
>> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
>> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
>>> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
>>> as that's comprehensive enough.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>>> Baxter
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>>> 
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Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

Their Web site says it is made available as one in itunes on their site.

Strange it isn't there since the site says it is made available.

Thanks,
Laura Ann

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> It’s not a podcast.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:36 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release
>  
> When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up 
> in Itunes.
>  
> Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes store.
>  
> What should I search under?
> I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.
> Laura Ann
>  
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Tanner wrote:
> 
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> Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, known 
> as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to cover this 
> brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase Crispin speaks 
> with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features in Mountain Lion. 
> David then demonstrates some of the new changes in accessibility that you 
> will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will bring you more demos of 
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>  
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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Les Kriegler]

I only see the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide.  Is that what you are referring 
to?  If not, then I cannot locate the Mountain Lion Getting Started Guide.  In 
the past, when the Users Guide for the Operating Systems came out, there would 
be 1 chapter dedicated to VoiceOver and the remainder would be related to the 
OS itself.  I think that's what we are looking for, and cannot locate.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Yes, the guide is out, I just went to it on my mac. That link William gave
> is the SL version, but accessing the getting started guide under ML gives
> you the ML version of that same guide.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
> 
> I don't think the User Guide is out yet.  I asked an Apple rep about this
> very thing, and he stated that it wold be about a month before the actual
> Mt. Lion User Guide will be released.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:46 AM, William Windels 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about
> voiceover  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with
> the mac.
>> 
>> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for
> voiceover in 10.6.
>> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
>> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het
> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He 
>>> wants a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never 
>>> been, seeing as that's comprehensive enough.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>> BurningHawk Baxter
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>>> 
>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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RE: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Krister. If you were running VM Fusion 4 prior to upgrading to
Mountain Lion everything works. If on the otherhand you had VM Fusion
version 3 then you must upgrade VM Fusion.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lyon and VM users please report in

Hi,
I tried my XP machine under Vmware, and i didn't see any problems for what
i'm using it for. I also have a virtual Windows 7 machine but haven't tested
it. What is the problem i should be looking for?
/Krister

25 jul 2012 kl. 20:27 skrev Eric Caron :

> Hi listers,
> 
>   Anyone who has upgraded to Mountain Lyon and who had a VM Fusion
installation, please let us know if the machine is still working nicely
under Mountain Lyon.  I'm especially interested in those with a JAWS VM as I
had authorization problems in the past.
> 
> Thanks for any reports.
> Eric Caron 
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RE: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Daniel Miller]

Yes, that's the link ester just posted in this thread as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

I only see the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide.  Is that what you are
referring to?  If not, then I cannot locate the Mountain Lion Getting
Started Guide.  In the past, when the Users Guide for the Operating Systems
came out, there would be 1 chapter dedicated to VoiceOver and the remainder
would be related to the OS itself.  I think that's what we are looking for,
and cannot locate.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Yes, the guide is out, I just went to it on my mac. That link William 
> gave is the SL version, but accessing the getting started guide under 
> ML gives you the ML version of that same guide.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
> 
> I don't think the User Guide is out yet.  I asked an Apple rep about 
> this very thing, and he stated that it wold be about a month before 
> the actual Mt. Lion User Guide will be released.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:46 AM, William Windels 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about
> voiceover  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years 
> with the mac.
>> 
>> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  
>> for
> voiceover in 10.6.
>> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
>> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  
>> het
> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. 
>>> He wants a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has 
>>> never been, seeing as that's comprehensive enough.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark 
>>> BurningHawk Baxter
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>>> 
>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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RE: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Daniel Miller]

Weird. I never thought it was.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

 

Their Web site says it is made available as one in itunes on their site.

 

Strange it isn't there since the site says it is made available.

 

Thanks,

Laura Ann

 

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:





It's not a podcast.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

 

When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up
in Itunes.

 

Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes
store.

 

What should I search under?

I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.

Laura Ann

 

On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Tanner wrote:






Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, known
as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to cover this
brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase Crispin speaks
with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features in Mountain Lion.
David then demonstrates some of the new changes in accessibility that you
will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will bring you more demos of
Mountain Lion functions in the coming weeks as well.

 

This is an exciting show that you won't want to miss, especially if you are
a Mac user who is going to upgrade, or who has just upgraded, to Mountain
Lion.

 

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throughout Saturday on ACB Radio Mainstream. 
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Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Laura ann,

I think it's probably not up yet; at least it wasn't earlier this morning when 
I checked.  The latest show I saw was for Friday, July 20.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
 wrote:

> Their Web site says it is made available as one in itunes on their site.
> 
> Strange it isn't there since the site says it is made available.
> 
> Thanks,
> Laura Ann
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> It’s not a podcast.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release
>>  
>> When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up 
>> in Itunes.
>>  
>> Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes store.
>>  
>> What should I search under?
>> I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.
>> Laura Ann
>>  
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Tanner wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, known 
>> as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to cover this 
>> brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase Crispin speaks 
>> with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features in Mountain Lion. 
>> David then demonstrates some of the new changes in accessibility that you 
>> will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will bring you more demos of 
>> Mountain Lion functions in the coming weeks as well.
>>  
>> This is an exciting show that you won't want to miss, especially if you are 
>> a Mac user who is going to upgrade, or who has just upgraded, to Mountain 
>> Lion.
>>  
>> Main Menu can first be heard on Fridays at 9:00 pm Eastern time. It airs 
>> throughout Saturday on ACB Radio Mainstream. 
>> http://www.acbradio.org/mainstream
>> It is also available in the iTunes store, in the iBlink Radio app for IOS 
>> and Android devices, and is available to Radio Reading Services around the 
>> world. 
>> 
>> Subscribe to the Main Menu podcast feed at:
>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php
>> 
>> Visit the Main Menu website at:
>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org
>>  
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>> http://www.twitter.com/mainmenu
>> 
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>>  
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>> www.twitter.com/mainmenu
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Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Nektarios Mallas]

That's true. It is not there yet.
However you can subscribe to main menu using Itunes.
1. Go to advanced, > subscribe to feed. 
2. In the URL edit field type. 
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php
3. click subscribe and you are done.

Nektarios.

On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

>   Hi Laura ann,
> 
> I think it's probably not up yet; at least it wasn't earlier this morning 
> when I checked.  The latest show I saw was for Friday, July 20.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Laura ann Grymes, LMT" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Their Web site says it is made available as one in itunes on their site.
>> 
>> Strange it isn't there since the site says it is made available.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Laura Ann
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s not a podcast.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release
>>>  
>>> When I search for ACB main menu radio or any combination its not showing up 
>>> in Itunes.
>>>  
>>> Would like to subscribe to the podcase but can't find it in the itunes 
>>> store.
>>>  
>>> What should I search under?
>>> I have also put the combo of words run together incase that would help.
>>> Laura Ann
>>>  
>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Tanner wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just hours ago, Apple released their new operating system, Mac OS10.8, 
>>> known as Mountain Lion. Main Menu is pleased to be one of the first to 
>>> cover this brand new operating system. On this week's Main Menu, Chase 
>>> Crispin speaks with David Woodbridge about many new and exciting features 
>>> in Mountain Lion. David then demonstrates some of the new changes in 
>>> accessibility that you will find when you upgrade to Mountain Lion. We will 
>>> bring you more demos of Mountain Lion functions in the coming weeks as well.
>>>  
>>> This is an exciting show that you won't want to miss, especially if you are 
>>> a Mac user who is going to upgrade, or who has just upgraded, to Mountain 
>>> Lion.
>>>  
>>> Main Menu can first be heard on Fridays at 9:00 pm Eastern time. It airs 
>>> throughout Saturday on ACB Radio Mainstream. 
>>> http://www.acbradio.org/mainstream
>>> It is also available in the iTunes store, in the iBlink Radio app for IOS 
>>> and Android devices, and is available to Radio Reading Services around the 
>>> world. 
>>> 
>>> Subscribe to the Main Menu podcast feed at:
>>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php
>>> 
>>> Visit the Main Menu website at:
>>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org
>>>  
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>>> http://www.twitter.com/mainmenu
>>> 
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> ___
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>>> annou...@acbradio.org
>>> http://acbradio.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
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>>> MainMenu 
>>> Technology from a blindness perspective!
>>> www.mainmenu.acbradio.org
>>> www.twitter.com/mainmenu
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Exceedingly frustrating problem trying to attach file to e-mail

[Christine Grassman]

OK, so I've got a few pdf's in my downloads folder, and I want to place them in 
Documents so that I can attach them. Going into preview with ML, I went into 
the file menu and tried Save, but it isn't giving me the ability to change the 
name and save them in documents.
So, I tried going to the sidebar when interacting with the tool bar, to attach, 
but each time I try to move over to "Today" for files which were open today, I 
get a "mail busy" and I get knocked into the headers fields. I have tried 
multiple times, and cannot get to "Today".
I tried searching for pdf" -- and it won't pull up the pdf's in the downloads 
folder.
In the list of places where I wish to select files, I do not see a choice for 
downloads folder.
I have tried selecting and copying the files from downloads into documents -- 
but it will not work. 
I am at my wit's end. Any ideas would be helpful; I have been trying to find a 
workaround for over an hour, and I am rather fed up. TIA.
Christine

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Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Christine Grassman]

Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M three 
times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to interact to get more 
information, it says "sync menu extra" and does nothing more. Is there some 
file or other I can read that will spell out these issues/changes for me. When 
I looked at some information about Ml, I saw nothing about this stuff.
G.
Christine

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Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will entirely 
go away.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:

> hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
> box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
> box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcome
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: mountain Lion for non-English users

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello.
Most of what you said is also true for The Greek language. Voice over now 
speaks like a native Greek speaker, smile!!! 
They also gave a new excellent female Greek voice. 
They also corrected some Braille issues with the language. 
Apple rocks!!!
Nektarios.

On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> All the speech bugs that i wanted to be fixed in the Swedish Nuance/Realspeak 
> voices are indeed fixed. The Swedish Oskar voice no longer clashes with the 
> system voice making the system voice go silent. The strange announcing of 
> characters when typing with typing echo set to characters are gone and so is 
> the pitch bug, where the Realspeak voice suddenly would go either up or down 
> in pitch for no apparent reason. Beware though that after installation of 
> Mountain lion you have to go to "program update" and choose to update 
> everything, and then you will get the voices you want.
> I'm surpriced dictation isn't available in Dutch, since it's one of the "big" 
> languages. What doesn't surprice me in the least though is that the dictation 
> feature isn't available in Swedish, and probably never will be.
> /Krister
> 
> 25 jul 2012 kl. 22:12 skrev William Windels :
> 
>> Hello,
>> I haven't still 10.8 because the update program of apple has problems but, I 
>> can already write some toughts because of things I have heard of others:
>> 
>> For non-English users, 10.8 seems not so powerful and complete.
>> I have heard that the speech bug  for the nuance voices isn't fixed since 
>> the introduction a year ago ;)
>> my address, william.wind...@gmail.com is spoken as willia.m@gmai.l
>> 
>> If this is really true, is this a joke that they don't fix this after a year?
>> 
>> Also,  the dictation function that is introduced in 10.8 covers only a few 
>> languages and no dutch at the moment. I am courious when they will update 
>> their languages.
>> 
>> I'll not completely negative about the new version until I have tested 
>> myself for a while but I'll always critical about new versions since they 
>> fix bugs very slow sometimes.
>> 
>> Any comments are appreciated,
>> 
>> kind regards,
>> William Windels
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RE: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

You can't do that anymore. The spotlight menu is now at the right of the
Extras menu, aka status menus.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M three
times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to interact to get
more information, it says "sync menu extra" and does nothing more. Is there
some file or other I can read that will spell out these issues/changes for
me. When I looked at some information about Ml, I saw nothing about this
stuff.
G.
Christine

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Re: notification center

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Missy, you are right in assuming that Growl not starting up at login is a bug. 
With me, it depends on how its mood is. Lol. But I read that they do plan on 
addressing this bug in a future update. HTH.

Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book

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Re: Exceedingly frustrating problem trying to attach file to e-mail

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Christine,

You have several options. The easiest one in my opinion is to find the files in 
downloads, copy them, and then either command-v to paste or command-option-v to 
move them right into the message body. Another method is to press 
command-shift-a to attach, and then, in the browse dialog, press 
command-shift-h to go to your home folder and find the downloads folder there.

HtH,
Teresa
On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Christine Grassman  
wrote:

> OK, so I've got a few pdf's in my downloads folder, and I want to place them 
> in Documents so that I can attach them. Going into preview with ML, I went 
> into the file menu and tried Save, but it isn't giving me the ability to 
> change the name and save them in documents.
> So, I tried going to the sidebar when interacting with the tool bar, to 
> attach, but each time I try to move over to "Today" for files which were open 
> today, I get a "mail busy" and I get knocked into the headers fields. I have 
> tried multiple times, and cannot get to "Today".
> I tried searching for pdf" -- and it won't pull up the pdf's in the downloads 
> folder.
> In the list of places where I wish to select files, I do not see a choice for 
> downloads folder.
> I have tried selecting and copying the files from downloads into documents -- 
> but it will not work. 
> I am at my wit's end. Any ideas would be helpful; I have been trying to find 
> a workaround for over an hour, and I am rather fed up. TIA.
> Christine
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Re: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Chris Moore]

If you want to get to the Spotlight search box very quickly, simply hold down 
the command key and hit the spacebar.  Spotlight search will popup.  To exit, 
simply press Escape.

Chris 
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:28, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can't do that anymore. The spotlight menu is now at the right of the
> Extras menu, aka status menus.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing
> 
> Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M three
> times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to interact to get
> more information, it says "sync menu extra" and does nothing more. Is there
> some file or other I can read that will spell out these issues/changes for
> me. When I looked at some information about Ml, I saw nothing about this
> stuff.
> G.
> Christine
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Re: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Chris Moore]

To interact with an menu extra you simply press VO + Space and then use your 
down arrow to explore the menus.
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:12, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M three 
> times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to interact to get more 
> information, it says "sync menu extra" and does nothing more. Is there some 
> file or other I can read that will spell out these issues/changes for me. 
> When I looked at some information about Ml, I saw nothing about this stuff.
> G.
> Christine
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Re: mountain Lion for non-English users

[Johanna Herranen]

Hi,
I'm glad things are working for you guys. Apple rocks indeed, but I have to 
say, we finns weren't so lucky. New Finnish Mikko voice is now made in such a 
way, that it tries to read English correctly. Finnish and English have very 
different phonetics, and so this causes some conflicts in Finnish then. Also, 
if someone is depending on speech only, in some cases there is absolutely no 
way to know what actually is on the screen.  There are conflicts like: word 
join. To join in English, but that actually is a Finnish word also. It is 
indeed very very annoying if a Finnish synth tries to detect English words and 
pronounce them the correct Enblish way -- especially if the word in question 
was meant to be a Finnish word and mean to be pronounced differently. Yes, I 
know there is a way to tell VoiceOver how to pronounce things, but this is a 
huge issue, and just making a customized dictionary won't fix it.  

Also, there still are issues with the Finnish braille table. The best solution 
at the moment is just to use the Swedish table. There at least most of the 
things are  the same as in correct Finnish table. 
I found a workaround  to get back my older Nuance voice, otherwise I would now 
be pulling my hair out. I really hope all these language issues will get fixed 
at some point -- the sooner, the better. 

Johanna
On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:

> Hello.
> Most of what you said is also true for The Greek language. Voice over now 
> speaks like a native Greek speaker, smile!!! 
> They also gave a new excellent female Greek voice. 
> They also corrected some Braille issues with the language. 
> Apple rocks!!!
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> All the speech bugs that i wanted to be fixed in the Swedish 
>> Nuance/Realspeak voices are indeed fixed. The Swedish Oskar voice no longer 
>> clashes with the system voice making the system voice go silent. The strange 
>> announcing of characters when typing with typing echo set to characters are 
>> gone and so is the pitch bug, where the Realspeak voice suddenly would go 
>> either up or down in pitch for no apparent reason. Beware though that after 
>> installation of Mountain lion you have to go to "program update" and choose 
>> to update everything, and then you will get the voices you want.
>> I'm surpriced dictation isn't available in Dutch, since it's one of the 
>> "big" languages. What doesn't surprice me in the least though is that the 
>> dictation feature isn't available in Swedish, and probably never will be.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 25 jul 2012 kl. 22:12 skrev William Windels :
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I haven't still 10.8 because the update program of apple has problems but, 
>>> I can already write some toughts because of things I have heard of others:
>>> 
>>> For non-English users, 10.8 seems not so powerful and complete.
>>> I have heard that the speech bug  for the nuance voices isn't fixed since 
>>> the introduction a year ago ;)
>>> my address, william.wind...@gmail.com is spoken as willia.m@gmai.l
>>> 
>>> If this is really true, is this a joke that they don't fix this after a 
>>> year?
>>> 
>>> Also,  the dictation function that is introduced in 10.8 covers only a few 
>>> languages and no dutch at the moment. I am courious when they will update 
>>> their languages.
>>> 
>>> I'll not completely negative about the new version until I have tested 
>>> myself for a while but I'll always critical about new versions since they 
>>> fix bugs very slow sometimes.
>>> 
>>> Any comments are appreciated,
>>> 
>>> kind regards,
>>> William Windels
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Re: The Latest Version of Dropbox is Much More Accessible, WasDropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Teresa Cochran]

 Folks, definitely do upgrade to the latest dropbox. Even the installer and 
setup is almost totally accessible now.

HtH,
Teresa

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
> version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will 
> entirely go away.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
>> hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
>> box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
>> box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcome
>> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

VO M TWO times is the maximum you should have to hit it, but I see now by 
experimentation that hitting it three times will just stall on Menu Extras, 
which is like the Status menu in Snow Leopard.  Spotlight comes up with the 
command-space shortcut…


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Re: MainMenu Coverage Of Mountain Lion Release

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

Awesome!!!
Thank you got it.
I knew there was a way just didn't know how to do that.
Love learning.
Appreciate you taking the time to respond and help me.
Have a wonderful day.
laura Ann

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> That's true. It is not there yet.
> However you can subscribe to main menu using Itunes.
> 1. Go to advanced, > subscribe to feed. 
> 2. In the URL edit field type. 
> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php
> 3. click subscribe and you are done.
> 
> Nektarios.

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RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Missy Hoppe]

I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd be 
willing to bet it's working. I've also heard
that the install is now accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't 
get to experience this for myself.


  _  

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On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
dropbox folder?


Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox,
and your problem will entirely go away.

Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:


hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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RE: notification center

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi there! Thanks to Chris's suggestion on this list, I simply went back to 
Growl version 1.22F or whatever it was called.
It's the last version that put growl in system preferences. Anyway, I only 
stopped using that because I somehow got the
impression that it didn't work with lion. Well, to make a long story a bit 
shorter, it seems to be working beautifully under
Mountain Lion, so unless there's a very compelling reason to update it at a 
later date, I'm planning to just keep that
version; it does what I need it to do, and as long as it works, that's good 
enough for me.
Thanks!
Missy

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On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notification center


Missy, you are right in assuming that Growl not starting up at login is a bug. 
With me, it depends on how its mood is. Lol.
But I read that they do plan on addressing this bug in a future update. HTH. 

Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book


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RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Daniel Miller]

Missy,

 

Can you point me to a link where I can grab that version? I know it's an
unstable one, but I need to grab the dmg to put in my folder where I keep
all my disc images of stuff whenever I need to reinstall the OS.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick
dropbox folder?

 

I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd
be willing to bet it's working. I've also heard that the install is now
accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't get to experience this
for myself.

 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick
dropbox folder?

Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is
version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will
entirely go away.

Sincerely, 

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver 
wrote:





hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Les Kriegler]

Okay, I went to the App Store and cannot find dropbox.  Is there a version for 
the Mac, or is it for the iPhone?  Thanks.

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd 
> be willing to bet it's working. I've also heard that the install is now 
> accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't get to experience this 
> for myself.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
> 
> Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
> version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will 
> entirely go away.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
>> hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
>> box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
>> box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcome
>> kind regards trahern.
>> 
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RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Missy Hoppe]

It seems to be perfectly stable to me. I would suggest trying to do a google 
search for dropbox beta. If it doesn't show up
that way, let me know, and we'll try something else.

  _  

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On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
dropbox folder?



Missy,

 

Can you point me to a link where I can grab that version? I know it's an 
unstable one, but I need to grab the dmg to put in
my folder where I keep all my disc images of stuff whenever I need to reinstall 
the OS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
dropbox folder?

 

I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd be 
willing to bet it's working. I've also heard
that the install is now accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't 
get to experience this for myself.

 

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
dropbox folder?

Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox,
and your problem will entirely go away.

Sincerely, 

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:





hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Daniel Miller]

You have to go to www.dropbox.com.

It's not an app store app.

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick
dropbox folder?

 

Okay, I went to the App Store and cannot find dropbox.  Is there a version
for the Mac, or is it for the iPhone?  Thanks.

 

Les

On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:





I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd
be willing to bet it's working. I've also heard that the install is now
accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't get to experience this
for myself.

 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick
dropbox folder?

Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is
version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will
entirely go away.

Sincerely, 

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver 
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hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?

your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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Re: Non-English braille tables in Mountain Lion

[Andrew Lamanche]

David,

This is bad news indeed, as I had been repeatedly reporting problems with 
polish Braille tables under Lion. Have you reported your finding to 
Accessibility? The more we report the more likely it is that things may change.

Best wishes

Andrew
On 28 Jul 2012, at 13:14, David Hole wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I'm using the norwegian table, and nothing has changed to the better.
> 
> -David
> 
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> I use the Spanish table, and have never found any issues with it under Lion; 
>> I haven't yet tried it under Mountain Lion.  The general focus issues with 
>> Braille displays, regardless of the language table are, I sincerely hope, 
>> improved.
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Listers,
>>> 
>>> I'd like to ask those of you who use non-English tables whether the 
>>> problems reported under Lion have been fixed in Mountain lion?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Teresa Cochran]

Here's a direct download link to 1.4:
https://www.dropbox.com/downloading/

and 1.5 beta:
http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/17/Dropbox%201.5.10.dmg

HtH,
Teresa

On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> It seems to be perfectly stable to me. I would suggest trying to do a google 
> search for dropbox beta. If it doesn't show up that way, let me know, and 
> we'll try something else.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
> 
> Missy,
>  
> Can you point me to a link where I can grab that version? I know it’s an 
> unstable one, but I need to grab the dmg to put in my folder where I keep all 
> my disc images of stuff whenever I need to reinstall the OS.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
>  
> I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd 
> be willing to bet it's working. I've also heard that the install is now 
> accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't get to experience this 
> for myself.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
> 
> Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
> version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will 
> entirely go away.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>  
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>  
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>  
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> 
> hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
> box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
> box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcome
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick dropbox folder?

[Les Kriegler]

Okay, got it.  As soon as I sent out my query, it dawned on me that I needed to 
go to their web site.  Too much going on with this upgrade and everything to 
learn!

Les
On Jul 28, 2012, at 2:01 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> You have to go to www.dropbox.com.
> It’s not an app store app.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
>  
> Okay, I went to the App Store and cannot find dropbox.  Is there a version 
> for the Mac, or is it for the iPhone?  Thanks.
>  
> Les
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got dropbox 1.5.10 running. I haven't checked the context menu, but I'd 
> be willing to bet it's working. I've also heard that the install is now 
> accessible, but since I was just upgrading, I didn't get to experience this 
> for myself.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox menu gone from the context menu in files in the publick 
> dropbox folder?
> 
> Are you sure you have the latest dropbox? The latest version of dropbox is 
> version 4.12. Get the latest version of dropbox, and your problem will 
> entirely go away.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>  
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>  
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>  
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:13 AM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> 
> hey all i went to share some files with some one from my publick drop
> box folder i right clicked the context menue as you do but the drop
> box sub menu has vanished does any one know what the problem is?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcome
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Christine Grassman]

That's awesome. Thanks. So, where are you finding these terrific shortcuts? 
What documentation should I be perusing?
Christine
On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> If you want to get to the Spotlight search box very quickly, simply hold down 
> the command key and hit the spacebar.  Spotlight search will popup.  To exit, 
> simply press Escape.
> 
> Chris 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:28, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can't do that anymore. The spotlight menu is now at the right of the
>> Extras menu, aka status menus.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:12 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing
>> 
>> Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M three
>> times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to interact to get
>> more information, it says "sync menu extra" and does nothing more. Is there
>> some file or other I can read that will spell out these issues/changes for
>> me. When I looked at some information about Ml, I saw nothing about this
>> stuff.
>> G.
>> Christine
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RE: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

[Daniel Miller]

Go to the Getting started Guide in the Voiceover help menu.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing

That's awesome. Thanks. So, where are you finding these terrific shortcuts?
What documentation should I be perusing?
Christine
On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> If you want to get to the Spotlight search box very quickly, simply hold
down the command key and hit the spacebar.  Spotlight search will popup.  To
exit, simply press Escape.
> 
> Chris
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:28, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can't do that anymore. The spotlight menu is now at the right of 
>> the Extras menu, aka status menus.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine 
>> Grassman
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:12 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Oh, Another Frustrating Thing
>> 
>> Spotlight is not working as it did in SL. Every time I hit vo plus M 
>> three times rapidly, I hear "menu extras" -- and when I try to 
>> interact to get more information, it says "sync menu extra" and does 
>> nothing more. Is there some file or other I can read that will spell 
>> out these issues/changes for me. When I looked at some information 
>> about Ml, I saw nothing about this stuff.
>> G.
>> Christine
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Re: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

just to add, you don't even need all of the 32GB drive either.  You can creat a 
8GB partition and make that the bootable drive.

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not install it.
> Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts into ML.
> Yes, you can use a 32GB drive.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesus Garcia
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mountain Lion Installation Question
> 
> Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. First
> I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting for me to
> click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a installation disc
> from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB thumb drive or must I
> use a DVD? Thanks Jesus Garcia
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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[Rachel Feinberg]

this might help:
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html 
Rachel
- Jul 27, 2012 On Jul 28, 2012, at 8:46 AM, William Windels 
 wrote:

> Hello all,
> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about voiceover 
>  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with the mac.
> 
> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
> voiceover in 10.6.
> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
>> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
>> as that's comprehensive enough.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>> Baxter
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>> 
>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>> 
>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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RE: Mountain Lion Installation Question

[Jesus Garcia]

One other question and I apologize if this has been asked multiple times. I
have had a hard time keeping up with the list do to travel.
Can someone please point me to a step by step creation of the installation
disc. I am going to use the 32 GB thumb drive this is a figh end 32 GB Micro
key Flash drive.
Again thanks to all.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 14:30
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion Installation Question

Hi,

just to add, you don't even need all of the 32GB drive either.  You can
creat a 8GB partition and make that the bootable drive.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You need to quit the installer, and do not, I repeat, do not install it.
> Once you do, the installer deletes itself after the system restarts into
ML.
> Yes, you can use a 32GB drive.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesus Garcia
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mountain Lion Installation Question
> 
> Okay folks a quick question regarding installation and bootable disc. 
> First I already downloaded Mountain Lion the machine is just waiting 
> for me to click the continue button. If I do this can I later make a 
> installation disc from the copy I downloaded? Second can I use a 32 GB 
> thumb drive or must I use a DVD? Thanks Jesus Garcia
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Wonderful wonderful wonderful!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello All.

I am going to copy Apple Accessibility into this message.

OK, have not configured mail yet in Mountain Lion, but, I want to thank 
publicly, all those beta testers, developers and of course Apple for making 
Mountain Lion a joy to work with.

I without reading any guide, have installed Skype and have used it, Face Time, 
notification centre and now the lovely Calendar which is a great improvement to 
what we had in Lion and Snow Lepard.  I think we should thank everyone who have 
worked hard to make this release a wonderful experience.  It may not be 
perfect, and it may be full of bugs, but without the vision of Apple and the 
dedicated support from all those who have dedicated themselves to make Voice 
Over to work with many applications should be thanked publicly so I am doing 
this.

Thank you all.

Kawal.

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still busy busy busy in lion

[Laura ann Grymes, LMT]

Still having the busy busy messages in Itunes and must wait.
eventually it stops but is acting the same as before I repaired permissions.

Open to other ideas to increase performance.
Macbook pro 8 gb ram, 2.0 quad core I7 processor, 500 GB HD, lion with latest 
updates.

Thanks,
laura Ann

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RE: still busy busy busy in lion

[Daniel Miller]

iTunes does it the worst out of every app, from what I see. Unfortunately,
it's something you have to just live with.
Perhaps when iTunes 11 is released, things will be better.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura ann Grymes, LMT
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: still busy busy busy in lion

Still having the busy busy messages in Itunes and must wait.
eventually it stops but is acting the same as before I repaired permissions.

Open to other ideas to increase performance.
Macbook pro 8 gb ram, 2.0 quad core I7 processor, 500 GB HD, lion with
latest updates.

Thanks,
laura Ann

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Re: reading rss in mail.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
RSS is gone in mail. I use Newsrack. It's good.
On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I used to read my rss feeds within the mail client.
> After I upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday, I don't think I can find my rss 
> feeds anywhere within mail.
> What happened? Are we now supposed to read rss differently?
> 
> Any help is appreciated. 
> 
> Nektarios.
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Observations about mountain lion so far

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay. I am going to try to dictate this entire message, because I wanted to see 
exactly what the result is if it is left uncorrected. I have some interesting 
observations about mountain lion. Beginning with Safari six. And I think you'll 
find this quite interesting. It used to be the case that enlightenment, as well 
as Snow Leopard before it, that whenever you open the page in Safari, you 
didn't always know when the page loaded because it never made a little sound 
that was supposed to make. Sometimes it did; but, sometimes it did not. And 
whenever that was the case, you didn't get always and I Gurode exactly when the 
page loaded and when it was still loading. So far, with Mountain lion, this 
problem seems to have entirely going away! This, so far as I'm concerned, is 
nothing but a good thing at least in my opinion. The dictation, which I am now 
using, is not done on the Mac itself; rather, what you say in dictation mode is 
sent to the Apple servers, and, the Apple servers send you back what you say or 
what it thinks you said in text. In fact, I hardly ever type anymore. This, 
assumes however, that the servers are working correctly. Yesterday, there was a 
slight hiccup in the servers; and as a result, the dictation was down for a 
short while. This text seems to be pretty accurate so far. There is however 
with respect to the dictation, a limit as to how much it can take at the time. 
I think, maybe, that the character limit is 160 characters. However, I'm not 
entirely certain of that. I find that it is best to say perhaps three or four 
sentences, then, release the dictation key and but the process take place. Now, 
I know what you're thinking. You're probably thinking, "wouldn't it be faster 
than just a type". "Well, maybe, but, this is fun. I must've that, however, but 
I am a little surprised that the dictation is as good as it is considering 
don't get who we are microphone but I'm using. With respect to the notice 
section, I think that we are all pretty much agreed that it leaves something to 
be desired, but, perhaps they will improve this in the future releases who 
knows, I hope so. Of course, most of us are familiar with the fact that Apple 
has not given us access to the hidden menus; or rather, those menus which were 
hidden before in certain apps that didn't use the standard menu accessibility 
procedures. I'm thinking, maybe, I'll drop box in this case. And, of course, 
others have mentioned other applications which have hitherto been on accessible 
in this way, but, which are now accessible through mountain lion. I think 
somebody mentioned with a program like this once. Anyway, I find myself not 
just pleased with Mountain lion; but rather, extraordinarily pleased with that. 
I wonder what marvelous updates they will come up with in the future to further 
improve the software. But then again, I'm sure we're all wondering that. Well, 
that's about all. PS. This message has been entirely dictated, and, not a 
single word of it has been typed. I have not touched the keyboard at all, 
except, to press the F8 key from time to time. That was the best in key., Let 
me try to get the F in key. All I think I'm losing my accuracy here. The F and 
G.
 Okay, I'm just going to have to give in and type this.  the FN key.

Well, I guess everything has its limits.Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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Re: Observations about mountain lion so far

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Hello.

I have been having a lot of fun with Mountain lion these last few days, and I 
would like to comment on what you said.

I, too, by the way, I'm dictating this entire letter. Just because I can.

In the first place, the instances of the web loading noise being made by voice 
over being intermittent is still happening to me. Eat.G that, sometimes 
voiceover will make the loaded complete noise, and sometimes it will not. I do 
not see any factors which are consistent between these times. However, being on 
broadband cable, I usually just assume that a webpage loads within three or 
four seconds, and act accordingly. It should not lead me astray so far.

About notification Center: I think it was designed, as was the OS, for sighted 
people. That having been said, Apple should be highly applauded, as I have 
commented before, at its universal accessibility. This does not mean, however, 
that notification Center must necessarily be adapted for voiceover users; in 
the case of many voiceover users, as has been discussed, there is no real need 
for it, given the redundancy of alerts and messages we already received. This 
may not be the case, however, presided users, who often used to split the 
computer with little to no audio enhancement, unfortunately.

Okay, I am about done having fun with dictation. Dictated but not read, 
sincerely

 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
 • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
 • My home page:
 • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!

[William Windels]

Hello Esther,
This is great, and makes it much confortabler thx!
Op 28-jul.-2012, om 18:28 heeft Esther  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Hi William,
> 
> I'm adapting a post made yesterday on the mac-access list to give you a link 
> to the URL for the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Mountain Lion (OS X 
> 10.8) that you want. I assume you would prefer a version in Dutch:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/Dutch.lproj/index.html
> 
> For English speakers, the link to the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for 
> Mountain Lion is:
> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/index.html
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 5:46 AM, William Windels wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> the quick start gives just some general commands and concepts about 
>> voiceover  and I know most of them very well since I work for 4 years with 
>> the mac.
>> 
>> ON the bottom of my message, you could find a link of the userguide  for 
>> voiceover in 10.6.
>> That's what I am looking for for 10.8 but it will perhaps become later!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
>> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:56 heeft Daniel Miller  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> That's what he's talking about, the quickstart guide on that menu. He wants
>>> a more comprehensive guide, apparently, which there has never been, seeing
>>> as that's comprehensive enough.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>>> Baxter
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the VO H help menu? 
>>> 
>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  . My home page:
>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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