The way I see it, you have one other choice: only use Mac! If you have a doc or docx file, will converting it to rtf, then saving it in that format, solve the problem? I suppose this isn't a surprise, though, as no two editors do things the same way, so compatibility in all aspects of formatting is probably never going to happen. I'm okay with moving away from a massively expensive and slow program like Office and using lower-cost one like Pages, or free ones like Textedit. Maybe we can help stop the monopoly Office has over anyone wanting to do wordprocessing... On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:42, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all, > This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting discussion > and I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays. > > What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of > others without distroying the made lay-out. > The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't > accessible at all, right? > Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks of > ms office documents. > > So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until??? > > Kind regards, > William Windels > Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> > het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. >> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html >> >> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. >> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, then >> it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception of >> sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what I'm >> about to try to describe to you will probably be the most common situation. >> Another note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from previous Mac OS >> versions then I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be all that much >> different. >> >> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and try >> it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably notice. >> Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download Bean. Once >> you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the download. Afther >> you've done this quickly press Command option L this will open the download >> dialog box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't happen i.e. the dialog box >> doesn't come up, it has been in my experience that it has already >> downloaded. However, if you catch the dialog then just wait for it to >> disappear and that should of downloaded it too. >> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find >> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. >> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it should >> be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to it is to >> issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your home >> directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it with >> command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. Open this >> again with command O. there should be two times in there but what you want >> is the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you haven't gotten your >> file extensions enabled for you to reconize what extension your dealing with >> but trust me its an .app extention. If you want I'll tell you about how to >> enable that in another post but for now you want to copy this and place it >> in the application's folder. Copy command is Command C. Now close all your >> finder windows till you get to the desktop and to get to the application >> folder its simply a command shift A keystroke now paste the app in with >> command V and Bang! Its installed! The final thing you need to do is eject >> the disc image from the desktop this can be done with command E. Now go back >> to the application folder and open bean with Command O. A dialog box should >> pop up but just hit ok or whatever it it says. I can't remember now but once >> you dismiss that box, you will be in the bean application. Oh and to quit >> it, that is Command Q once your done messing around getting a feel for the >> word processor. >> >> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it >> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a year >> and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with programmes >> than windows. That's just an opinion though. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Daniel >> >> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote: >> >>> Hello Johnny, >>> The right link is: >>> Download Bean >>> >>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with the >>> save as option. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> kind regards, >>> William Windels >>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Well I too went to rosie's page and I found an executable install link for >>>> Bean. I first did a cmd+enter on it and something happened, but I >>>> couldn't tell you what. Then I tried a VO+spacebar and got a file not >>>> found on this server with a 404 error page. So lets face it. I think I >>>> need to come to grips with myself and admit that I am in need of some >>>> serious downloading help. Wouldn't you say so? I really don't know if I >>>> actually downloaded anything or not. you see, my so called State-paid >>>> instructor set my Macbook up and never taught me anything. I remember >>>> finding a database program recommended by this wonderful group, but he >>>> couldn't tell me how to get it installed on my MBP. Anyway, please don't >>>> be too surprized if you feel a little sorry for me, - I frankly don't >>>> blame you. <grinn >>>> >>>> Okay, enough silly stuff here. I would really like it if someone would be >>>> kind enough to help me with downloading and installing programs on my Mac. >>>> >>>> Thanks much, >>>> >>>> Johnny >>>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> I went to Rose's site, http://www.chicksdigmacs.net, and searched for >>>>> "bean". It came right up, complete with a download link. I haven't >>>>> tried it yet, but that's how I will next time I boot into mac. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/12, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>> Where can I get this app. What do I search for? >>>>>> Stacey and Chesley >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alex, well I use a free app called Bean and it works for me. I mainly >>>>>>> got it because Text Edit can't display your word count and tell me how >>>>>>> many pages I have written. Where as with Bean all I have to do is one >>>>>>> simple keystroke and I get all the info in a dialog box. I have also >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> able to save in that app in .doc word format and go between windows and >>>>>>> Mac at college and home. I like both systems and I'm very glad I found >>>>>>> this app. It also regularly updated too and I think the developer is >>>>>>> aware >>>>>>> of us Voiceover users because he fixed some labels that wern't correct >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> 3.8 and were supposively reporting there correct status in 3.9 LOL I >>>>>>> didn't even know what labels he was referring to but it was mentioned in >>>>>>> the change log so I assumed it was done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway hope this helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 19:26, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>> Try VO T to check formatting. >>>>>>>> If it doesn't work, try highlighting the text first and then use VO T. >>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2012-07-23, at 1:42 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, I wondered if format support would ocme into it. Still, from >>>>>>>>> what I hear, any file formatted in one program will likely not be >>>>>>>>> formatted correctly in another, so I don't see this as specific to >>>>>>>>> Textedit. Headers and footers are things I never use, but I can see >>>>>>>>> how lack of support would be limiting to other users. When using vo, >>>>>>>>> is there a command equivalent to ins-f, to read formatting? I use that >>>>>>>>> command to check centering, font, and other attributes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> You know, for most practical purposes, it can. I haven't really had >>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>> luck getting tables to work, but i'm still back on sl. Hopefully >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> improved in two years, lol. I've certainly submitted professional >>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>> with it, and had them look reasonably attractive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By the way, text edit's filetype support isn't very good. If you >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>> done up in word format, text edit will import it but pooch the >>>>>>>>>> formatting. I >>>>>>>>>> have to use open office writer for that sort of job, and writer >>>>>>>>>> irritates >>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have fun, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> touch on my handheld. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> I have a stupid question. I was looking at Textedit yesterday, and >>>>>>>>>> found it supports lists, tables, bolding, justification, centering, >>>>>>>>>> and so on. So, except for embeding images, what can MS Office, Libre >>>>>>>>>> Office, or Open Office do that Textedit cannot? Basically, why the >>>>>>>>>> need for a more powerful editor when this one seems to have it >>>>>>>>>> covered >>>>>>>>>> pretty well? 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