[Debconf-team] change in dates
Sorry for not telling before, it really slipped my mind... In penta I have arrival day 24 and departure 31, without hours, so I don't know exactly how they are counted. in any case, I will be arriving the 25 in the early morning (5:00), if I don't miss my really tight connection in Lisbon, and departing the 31, but just a bit after midnight. So I will not be using any facilities or food the 24 or the 31. Hope this can save some euros -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf10 Wiki page spam
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 14:50, Andrew Websdale wrote: > A user called "adrianjackson21" has spammed a link on the Main page of > the DebConf Wiki - it links to an essay-writing service. Thanks for reporting. I have just reverted the change and blocked the user. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] My thoughts on reconfirmation, fundraising, etc
Hi! I was also asked to add some opinion to this topic, as former DC orga. I think Pablo made some good point and I agree completely with what Marga said. I want to stress that asking people to work in exchange of the sponsorship was a great idea, as it offered a good way to the newcomers to know people already in the project, have fun and their work made a big difference to make a better conference. I would like to add that we also thought about the $tourists not only as a financial burden, but as a moral issue. Knowing that some people is taking paid holidays thanks to debconf is wrong to the sponsors, but is also really demotivating when you realise that they are profiting from the hard work you had put for months on end. I guess I don't need to talk about how much work is to organise a debconf... I'd say that delaying this issue is not a good idea, first because the problem is not only money, but also because then you'll have to extend the deadlines for people to be able to fill the forms, herb@ taking decisions, etc... I'm not following the IRC channel much, but I heard also about one of the locals (name intentionally not said) offering to go home everyday and bring its own meals. I think that that is completely unfair for him, he will lose a lot of what debconf is about, and no financial problem should force a local-team member to have to go through all this inconvenience, even if he lives 500m from the venue. My 2¢... -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf anti-harassment policy
Hi Richard, On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 07:19, Richard Darst wrote: > You may have seen that recently, a loose geek feminism group has > produced a draft anti-harassment policy for conferences (technical > conferences in particular). Based on their experience and > consultations, they have produced something which can be taken and, > with minimal effort, adapted to us: > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy It seems to me that the text is mixing up harassment, which is defined by the Oxford dictionary as "aggressive pressure or intimidation", with sexism. For example: it implies that hiring somebody to be a booth babe (sic) is harassment, which is clearly not. I'm not saying I find them OK, but that's just diluting what harassment means. Also, what I read there would forbid stuff that happens in other kinds of conferences: cosplay (as it could be interpreted as "sexualised" clothing), which is not really relevant here, but to me shows that the text is not good. What about kilts (I think some people found them sexy :)) or cleavage? And in the end, what makes clothing sexualised? That can change drastically; for example, some people think that women should hide their hair for similar reasons (at least orthodox Jews and Muslims) It also forbids the appearance of "sexual images in public spaces", which would forbid most mainstream publicity that you could find in the bus stop, cafeteria, etc. Or it could mean also that you cannot have a wallpaper in your laptop with some cute boy/girl scantly clad when you sit in the hacklab. I have been suggested by a friend to change my wallpaper in DC7 because she found it objectifying, and I complied with the request on the grounds of not making anyone feel bad; but forbidding is quite a different thing. Also note that this has nothing to do with harassment. So, to conclude, I don't think it is a good idea to adopt this text. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for volunteers to join DebConf Committee
Hi Moray, On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Moray Allan wrote: > Qualifications: It would be helpful if candidates have attended > DebConf previously, and hope to attend DebConf14 in 2014. While I definitely don't have time for daily DebConf work, I have attended almost all editions since DC5 (only missed DC10), and I care deeply about DebConf. I think the Committee has a very important role in a successful Debconf. Having been around for many years, and having been at some point quite active in DC-team, to the point of being one of the main organisers of DC8, I would like to be a candidate for the Committee. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposed DC14 schedule within: Re: DebConf14 Dates And Upcoming Decisions
s as we can, which means that there's no temporal separation, and folks > who are keen to attend talks can easily find themselves with no actual hack > time. Again, I don't see that in the sketch you proposed, or not enough of it. My 2 shekels. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposed DC14 schedule within: Re: DebConf14 Dates And Upcoming Decisions
Patty Langasek wrote: >Would Steve's suggestion of an 8 day (or whatever the details come out >to) >conference justify a longer trip in place of DebCamp, or the Targetted >Sprints suggested by Lucas? > Sorry to be dense, but what about what I suggested yesterday about debcamp after debconf? Would it be possible to use discounted rates for the venue , without accommodation? ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Dates And Upcoming Decisions
On 08/10/13 19:05, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 06:13:03PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> 7pm (19:00) UTC, on the DebConf team IRC channel. >> sorry, thats too late for me this saturday. It will be the first day at home^ >> win Hamburg since 3 weeks, so I'll be offline with friends at that time. A >> few >> hours earlier might work, but not sure. So please have the meeting without >> me. I doubt I will be able to attend, as I am visiting some friends, but then again, my schedules are always complicated :) Just as a data point, weekday evenings usually work better for me (in CET). In any case, I was replying to comment on something else: > And, I agree with this. I had hoped the mailing list discussion would be > more fruitful than it has been in the 1.5 weeks that it's been open. > Unfortunately, we need to make a decision, and it seems interest in the > thread has died down. If I'm incorrect in that, all the better to actually > have a meeting to make the decision soon while we still have the few ideas > proposed fresh in our minds. Why don't we try to outline possible scenarios, so we can later discuss on more concrete plans? I see many unknowns here that need to be cleared before we can reach a conclusion, also there are a few unanswered questions in the thread. I know the local team has a vision for this, and some of the rest have a different one, but let's hear everybody's opinion, and try to reach an agreement that does not leave anybody upset. So far, the only choices I have seen are: 1. No DebCamp, a few hack-only sessions during debconf, and less talks to have more time for hacking. 2. Pre-debconf sprints, dunno on the debconf schedule. Supposedly, high costs for venue and rooms. Intended to be very targeted and focused on specific teams (if I've read correctly). 3. Post-debconf debcamp. Possible dates not known (Steve, can you comment on this?). Patty mentioned 4th as a possible last day, which would make a 4-day debcamp, which is not bad in my opinion. Any other ideas? Can we discuss on the pros, cons, and costs of the options? As a side note, I'd propose separating the discussion of pre-debconf setup, as the local team has already assured there will be allowances for a small group of people to start working beforehand. Tincho. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Upcoming DebConf14 Team Meetings
On 11/03/14 03:20, Patty Langasek wrote: > And Steve reminded me that we had Daylight Savings Time over the weekend, so > now my math will forever be off (or at least until DST ends) for time zone > calulations. THe meeting tomorrow is 1200 PST, which is *1900 UTC*, not 2000 Not for long, only until Europe gets into DST too, which is on the 30th. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] So we have a talks team!
Hi Steve, et al. On 23/04/14 18:16, Steve Langasek wrote: > I asked this question on IRC the other day, but now that we have a talks > team, I can ask you all directly for your thoughts. I'm expecting to get > conference registration opened today, and ideally the "call for papers" > would follow shortly thereafter. Do you want to provide any guidance around > tracks as part of the CfP, or do you want the tracks to be organized only > after you see what papers people submit? (Of course, even if we suggested > some tracks in the CfP, there would be room for adding other tracks later, > or accepting papers that don't fit the pre-defined tracks.) I have been away from this task for a while, so I don't know what was done in the last few years. Proposing tracks seems like a good way to steer the conference into some areas, and maybe even get more talks, as people might be more tempted to send a proposal if the topic has been already suggested. I also find that RichiH's comment on IRC is a good compromise: [18:15:49] [18:16:41] harmoney: from a speaker's PoV, i prefer "these are our topics, please submit" to "these are the tracks; make sure you fit" The downside to this is getting the topics/tracks list done in time for the CfP... > And more broadly, does the talks team want to own sending the CfP itself? > I'm happy to handle the summit development side of things and leave the CfP > to someone else. I don't mind either way. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [KGB] please do not announce debian-sponsors commits on #debconf-team
On 09/05/14 11:02, Damyan Ivanov wrote: > -=| Martín Ferrari, 09.05.2014 02:57:42 +0200 |=- >> On 08/05/14 22:48, gregor herrmann wrote: >>> On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:11:02 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> >>>> Please adjust the KGB config for "sponsors-table" to not announce on >>>> #debconf-team. >>> >>> KGB-2 updated. >> KGB-1 too. > KGB-0 updated, with one additional change. I have marked the > sponsors-table repository as 'private' so that the commits do not end > up on #commits@freenode. Oh, good point!! I fixed that too now. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [KGB] please do not announce debian-sponsors commits on #debconf-team
On 08/05/14 22:48, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:11:02 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> Please adjust the KGB config for "sponsors-table" to not announce on >> #debconf-team. > > KGB-2 updated. KGB-1 too. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
On 21/05/14 02:45, Steve Langasek wrote: > FYI, we do have some data already about this, namely the arrival/departure > dates that sponsored attendees have entered when registering. For each > night of sponsored accommodation, we have: > > Date | # sponsored > ---| > 2014-08-22 | 126 > 2014-08-23 | 134 I don't think these numbers reflect reality: by default, you get assigned 2014-08-22 as an arrival date. And many people (me included) don't have a set date for arrival, maybe because they didn't buy tickets yet. So, I think these numbers are very misleading, and should not be used at this point for planning. At least until the reconfirmation period. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
Another thing on this email... On 21/05/14 02:45, Steve Langasek wrote: > But it's possible that the other space won't be available to us at this > point, in which case we are still limited to 200 for the plenaries and > therefore there's no advantage to *not* having them on the first and last > days when fewer people are in attendance. I understand the logistics problem here, but it kind of defeats the idea of a 'plenary' if we are purposely making it difficult for many people to attend it. > In that case, what do you propose instead? How many slots does the talks > team want for formal talks? (Noting that one of the motivations for the > mixed hack/talk format that we proposed this year was a feeling that > DebConf has been too talk heavy, with not enough in-between time) I'd propose that having 3 official tracks is going to reinforce that feeling. I know I feel a bit stressed when having to choose between two talks I want to attend. With 3 tracks also there is less change that there is a slot when there is nothing interesting for me, which makes it worse. > Why is that a bad thing? If someone believes that only the talks are > interesting, not the hacking/bofs, isn't it *better* if they only come for > the parts they care about? > > I don't think this is going to be the response of our typical DebConf > attendee, however. I think Debian contributors are going to appreciate the > expanded opportunity to hack together. Isn't this basically the same as DebCamp, at least in theory? > are coming as "volunteers". The format this year has been deliberately > designed to improve upon the status quo, with the explicit understanding > that people who are actually coming with a work plan can ask the DPL for a > sprint before DebConf. (And I think it's a major regression that the DC15 > team has reverted this by reintroducing DebCamp for next year.) As far as I know, there has been no consensus on DC orga about this, so it is not a regression. DC14 decided they don't want DebCamp, and DC15 decided that they do want it. I would have loved to have this discussion, but every time I've tried to raise it, it was mostly ignored. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
On 25/05/14 00:22, Steve Langasek wrote: > If the only way they're interested in coming to DebConf is to have a week's > vacation at Debian's expense, then I don't see a problem here. I also find this kind of assumption disturbing. Please, stop talking about DebCamp attendees in this way, it is not productive. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Final schedule structure - review
Hi, On 09/07/14 22:26, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 10:06:51AM +, René Mayorga wrote: >> [2] http://people.debian.org/~rmayorga/schedule-dc14.png > If you look at the above image, you'll see we can schedule 55 > "official" talks and 26 "ad-hoc" talks. I would also like to say that I am worried about the amount of talks we would need to reject, plus the lack of slots for organic meetings/talks that are an integral part of DebConf. After a few years of not having enough talks to select from (and then having a conference packed with talks and events, because people start having great ideas on the spot), this year we face the situation where we have a smaller amount of talk slots and more talk submissions than usual. I think we need to somehow expand the number of slots for scheduled talks, while leaving time and space for ad-hoc talks.. > a) Reassign some "ad-hoc" space to "official" talks. The result > is almost the same because some rejected talks would be scheduled > as a ad-hoc, it'd demotivate speakers and we'd end with virtually > no ad-hoc space. > > b) add some more talk time on Saturdays and Sunday Mornings > > c) add more talks on Monday 25 > > d) add more talks on Thursday 28 > > e) add talks some days after lunch. (5 days max) I don't know what is the best solution, specially taking into account that the DC14 team wants a different flavour of DebConf for this year. But all these sound sensible to me. I would also propose either adding a room (is that even possible at this time?), and/or pushing dinner 1:30 h later, to accomodate for one more talks slot per day. But again, I don't know if this is possible. OTOH, I am not too sure of the idea of putting talks after dinner, I think people may want to unwind after that. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
On 18/08/14 14:09, martin f krafft wrote: > I am not aware of any rejection "by the conference chairs". My > pre-message to a bunch of people including all chairs was followed > up only by Tincho (not speaking for all chairs), and I replied to > him (and you) two days ago. Since then, I had a short, very abridged > conversation with Tincho, wherein there was no rejection or > objection nor approval. I would just like to say for the record that I actually objected to this idea multiple times, the last one being during that brief IRC chat. > Regarding the talks team rejection, I respect that they couldn't > allocate a slot to my event proposal for reasons, whatever they may > be. As a member of the talks team, I also want to go on record saying that clear reasons were given for the rejection. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf governance discussion
Hi, In the last few days there was some calls for action to rethink our governance structures, and requests for the chairs to get involved. And as DebConf chairs, we have been pretty silent. This is not because we don't care enough about this issue, but because we appointed a mere week ago. We are still discussing among us how to proceed, so it will take us a bit more to iron this out. We want to lead this discussion, not by imposing any particular idea, but by listening to the people that make DebConf happen: to understand the problems different teams face, and the solutions they propose. One idea would be to meet for dinner with each of the dc14 and dc15 teams, and with the other long-term team members that are not part of the local teams. Ideally, we would do this at the beginning of the week, so we can continue scheduling meetings depending on what emerges. What days would work best for the teams? Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Organizers' meeting at McMenamin's
Hi all, We are calling for a organizer's meeting and thank you gathering. Please come to unwind a bit, and to recharge batteries for the rest of a busy week! We meet at McMenamin's Market Street Pub[0], tomorrow Sunday the 24th, at 8 pm. Please come wearing your STAFF t-shirt, so we can recognise you. If you didn't get yours yet, please make sure to do it now! Tincho. [0]: SW Market st. & SW 10th avenue. http://osm.org/go/WIDlRuULU-?node=699225425 -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf organization working group
Hello again, We had a very productive session this morning. We had the chance to hear individual accounts of past DebConf experience, and I think everybody learned something from it. You can read the meeting minutes in the wiki page: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebconfOrganizationWorkingGroup We want to invite you again for another session tomorrow, so we can continue talking about past experiences. We want to hear more people, and give the chance to today's participants to talk again, if they want to. After this session, we will be able to produce a list of some concrete problems to solve, and hopefully some inspiration for solutions. Again, every person will talk for at most 5 minutes, without interruptions or responses. The second meeting is scheduled on Monday, at 13:30 in room 338. Notes will be taken in the wiki again. Tincho, on behalf of the DebConf Chairs. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] In 20 minutes! DebConf organisation working group
Hello all, Sorry, but we totally forgot to send a reminder email about tonight's session! We are meeting in room 329 at 19h. We are going to present what emerged in sessions and meetings from previous days, and start talking about possible solutions. Tincho, for the chairs. Forwarded Message Subject: [Debconf-discuss] Ad-hoc sessions for Thursday, 28 Aug Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:34:47 +0200 From: Michael Banck To: debconf discussion list Hi, Here's today's schedule of ad-hoc meetings: TimeRoom 327 & 328 Room 329Room 338 10:00 - Salvaging Packages AppArmor (kees) Gnuk/FST-01 BoF 10:45 (jmw) (gniibe) 11:00 - tasksel default desktop continuous fundraising summit summit 11:45 requalification (joeyh) BoF (mbanck)(edrz) 13:30 - UNAVAILABLE UEFI Secure BootUNAVAILABLE 14:15 (cjwatson) 14:30 - UNAVAILABLE Power management (p2) UNAVAILABLE 15:15 16:00 - UNAVAILABLE UNAVAILABLE UNAVAILABLE 16:45 19:00 - UNAVAILABLE DebConf organisationUNAVAILABLE 29:45 working group Note that there are currently no open slots for ad-hoc scheduling for Friday, the next open spots will be for Saturday morning, to be scheduled from tomorrow on. Michael ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list debconf-disc...@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Last meeting for the DebConf organisation working group
Hi all, After our very successful session on Wednesday, we are gathering one last time to talk about DebConf organisation. We will meet tomorrow, Saturday, at 10h. We hope to see you there! -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Subsidised bar prices
On 04/09/14 11:38, martin f krafft wrote: > Obviously I am asking in the context of DC15, where the options are > going to be lower. At 3€ (~$4) per beer on-site, need we even plan > for drink subsidies? The problem will be, like in DC13, that there are no practical alternatives. In HD you are forbidden from bringing your own booze, and the next bar is not so close by. > ¹) Instead of increasing their flexibility and staff after we > informed them of our impending arrival, the Rogue actually upped > their prices for DebConf from $5 to $5.75. Bastards. Not really. I payed $5 for almost every beer. I think some were "specials" and were more expensive. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: (Hopefully) Last draft of the dc15 sponsorship brochure
Hi all,
First of all, I want to say that I really like the brochure. I think it
has a very nice structure, and makes a compelling case for sponsoring
the conference.
Now, to the other things :-)
I agree with Steve on all his comments, specially with the opinion about
the C&W part; and I would extend my doubts about sponsoring to the rest
of the social events.
It seems to me that we are trying to increase the money we collect more
than what we might need, with the risk of losing a bit of the soul of
DebConf, or even make our sponsors think that we are being greedy.
I think the job fair may be a good way to get more sponsors on board,
and perhaps that we should limit our innovations until we see how that
goes.. Maybe we don't need more money than that?
In my opinion, I would slash all these extra perks.
About the raffle, if we are going to make it official, I like the idea
of moving the actual raffle to something that DC controls; and I would
probably set some rules on what can be done. For example, I would forbid
the raffle to require being there to claim the prize. That's forcing
people to pay attention to the raffle, when they might be doing
something else.
Lastly, a few bug reports:
Missing "of":
"Your contribution makes it possible for us to bring together a large
number {+of+} Debian contributors from [..]"
I don't think this is true, the DebConf money is Debian money and we
cannot earmark it for the next DebConf:
"Any surpluses will be legally bound to be used for the organisation of
future, non-profit Debian conferences."
The two paragraphs under "tax-deductible donations" are unclear, they
seem to be written separately and they repeat themselves. The thing
about having to make an invoice does not make sense to me, although
maybe that is because I am not an accountant :-)
The photo credits are not current: it mentions dc13 group photo, and
lacks the credits for the orga photo.
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Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: (Hopefully) Last draft of the dc15 sponsorship brochure
Hi, My last message on the topic, I don't want to drag this discussion for ever. First of all, I am a bit worried that there is not much discussion about this, saving for discussions about how to run a raffle. I saw just a couple of concerns about the points I am discussing here, and no endorsements. I cannot predict if the silence is due to endorsement or to not caring. I believe this is an important decision. Please people, speak up! On 10/09/14 00:35, Michael Banck wrote: > Also, note that at DebConf14 basically everything we put in the brochure > (before DC14 started) happened on an ad-hoc basis: the sponsor booth > (some sponsors seemed to put up tables to talk to attendees), the job > fair (rather inofficial, but still), the sponsoring of some events (in > this case even the C&W party, plus an off-site social event), the raffle > etc. The amount of push-back was rather small I believe. I explicitly > asked a couple of attendees I know well and believed they may be opposed > to them, but they did not see the sky falling. It is true it was ad-hoc and the sky didn't fall. But the key point is that it was ad-hoc, and in the case of the C&W, that it solved a problem for the organisers. Personally, I didn't like much the HP event being announced almost as something official, but did not want to cause a fuss about it either. Note that I am not opposing to the job fair or the booths. It is the sponsoring of the social events that I feel is kind of wrong, going against our spirit. It feels like monetising the conference, that's why I feel uneasy. I would rather cut the costs (or the existence) of all these (C&W, dinner, day trip, sponsored beverages) than selling them. Finally, if the non-profit is forbidden to do theses things, we could have one or two sponsors give the money to a normal trusted company instead. Another topic. I just saw the addition to the brochure of the diversity effort. While I am all for getting money for diversity, what do you have in mind when you invite sponsors to contact us? It is just a way to get more sponsors on board, so we can then manage the money, or will they have any active involvement in the use of the money? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Team membership formalization FAQ
Hi all, A few questions and objections were raised since we started the team membership formalization. We are sorry that the procedures might have been interpreted in a different way than what we have meant. We are committed to listen to criticism and learn from our mistakes, and we have taken note of all the suggestions to shape the next steps. We also produced a small FAQ that tries to clarify the process and, hopefully, take away some doubts. If you think we have missed something, please send us your feedback! https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Teams/Canvassing#FAQ Tincho, on behalf of the chairs. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Update on team membership
Hi everybody, A bit late, as the meeting is about to start (sorry, real life took a toll on all of us), but we want to send a update on the re-org process. In this past week we got some new replies to our call for members for the fundraising team: azeem harmoney (maybe) n0rman And the lead nominations were updated too: bgupta (x10) vorlon (x 5) hamoney (x 3) madduck (x 3) wendar (x 3) Just to make sure it is clear, we did not count self-nominations for leads, and some people voted more than once. Those numbers indicate how many times someone else has appointed that person. We also want to ask you (the fundraising team) to work on writing down what are the team responsibilities, rough timelines and processes, so everybody knows what can they expect from the team, and what they can not. The place to formalise this is in this new wiki page: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Teams/Fundraising Thanks for your cooperation and see you at the meeting! Tincho, on behalf of the DebConf chairs. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 wrap-up blog post
On 16/09/14 12:16, Paul Wise wrote: > The Debian publicity team prepared a wrap-up DPN entry about DebConf14. > We would like to publish it on the DebConf blog (Martin Krafft > volunteered to do so) but would like some input from DebConf14 folks > before doing so. Hopefully you are still subscribed to the list :) > > https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/dpn/en/2014/13/index.wml?view=markup I think it is great to have all this collected in a blog post, thanks for doing the work! PS: Also, thanks for sending the HTML version, the wml is not so great for reading :) -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf subteams list
On 12/10/14 08:03, martin f krafft wrote: > track of the bigger picture. As such, I think budget/accounting is > a prime candidate for being separate, sort of the money guards that > have to be convinced of expenses and who merely record income in > a dry way. That way, you can always be sure that the money you > spend/commit is money you already have. Doing the budget and the > accounts "on the side" could OTOH quickly lead to mistakes as people > "optimise" and simplify in their heads, rather than keeping > meticulous tracks. > > But sure, this separation can happen in sub-sub-teams. Hopefully we > won't drown in bureaucracy though ;) A priori, I tend to agree with you on this, but at the same time, I realise it would be impossible to create that many teams, while ensuring some continuity and improved processes. So I think it will be better to trust these bigger teams to self-organise to avoid the kind of problems you mention. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf subteams list
On 12/10/14 00:35, Moray Allan wrote:
> - This draft comes from collaborative editing with Tassia and Tincho.
> But we disagree on some minor points in our individual preferred
> versions. :)
There is not that much disagreement anyway :)
My biggest doubt was about video-team; but, as you mentioned in your
post, there is a strong argument for grouping it with the rest of the
infrastructure. Also, if the volunteer coordination is managed by a
different team, then the whole infrastructure team is not as huge as I
pictured it in the beginning. And I believe that more integration with
the rest of the infrastructure team would improve things for all involved.
> - Should we have a separate "Communication" team, with {press and PR,
> website content, publishing the CFP and general announcements, dealing
> with feedback@dc}? There could be benefits, but equally I worry about
> trying to create our own version of the Debian publicity team, and about
> going against the "avoid overlapping roles between subteams", since
> other teams would have to work closely with this one if it is to have a
> real purpose.
I don't see that function as deserving a top-level team, as it would be
a much smaller team in comparison. I think this function, if implemented
as a team, should be part of the Coordination team, or perhaps the
Content team.
> - In the slightly longer term, should we make subteam leads
> automatically/ex-officio become members of the DebConf Committee, for
> venue decisions etc.?
I think so. Adding some external people, as Lucas pointed out, seems
like a good idea too.
There has not been much discussion on this, so I guess most people
thinks this is a good idea?
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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf subteams list
On 16/10/14 20:42, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> There has not been much discussion on this, so I guess most people >> thinks this is a good idea? > > I do. One of the issues that lead to not so much discussion here is > that the role of the DebConf committee has not been too clear, or has > been too limited. Assembling a Team of Elders just to help the vote > for the next venue decision is maybe too much. Sorry I did not make that more clear. I was referring to the whole teams proposal in that comment. > Yes, of course, it's a hard decision, and one that has led in the past > to quite a bit of discussion and demotivation (mainly if we count the > demotivation of the teams that do not get picked, of course), but I > would surely want to have the Committee play a more active role > throughout the year. Now, regarding the committee, I personally agree that the committee could have a more active role. Maybe we can discuss what would be the best use for it. For example, helping bids prepare for the decision. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Feedback
Hi all, To do something useful with the feedback@ alias, the chairs decided to just go through the received emails, manually anonymise them and upload them as files to the debconf-team git repository. The de-identification is not perfect, so that is why we decided to put this in the orga-only repository. The files are available for your perusal at: debconf-team/dc14/feedback/ in scm.alioth.debian.org/git/debconf-team/debconf-team.git Hope we can make good use of the feedback. Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Feedback
On 21/10/14 18:15, Brian Gupta wrote: > Is there any chance you can parse/summarize the feedback and get it to > the appropriate subteams? (How much data is it?) It is not that much data now (about 11-12 mails). Summarising would be quite a bit of work.. I could forward it as a tarball to somewhere that is not publicly archived, sponsors-team would not be a problem... -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Checking people's feelings on Paypal (as an option) for Debian donations.
On 10/10/14 14:12, Brian Gupta wrote: > I believe the opinion would be best characterized as: > > "The DebConf fundraising team understand that some people don't like > Paypal. Some of the team members also don't like Paypal, but recognize > it's value as a widely used payments platform that can aid Debian's > fundraising efforts. For a non-trivial percentage of people who > already have Paypal accounts, providing them a Paypal option will make > it much easier for them to donate money to Debian and would likely > increase donations. This option would not replace all the other > options on Debian's donations page. Sorry for not answering to this before. Brian asked the chairs to comment on this, so with my chair hat on, I want to say that we agree with this statement. Tincho, on behalf of the chairs. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] New DebConf organisation team structure
Introduction During and after DebConf14, the DebConf Chairs worked with many members of the DebConf organisation team on how to improve its structure and decision-making processes. Face-to-face working group meetings took place in Portland, followed by numerous private conversations and messages in public mailing lists. We have tried to gather a balance on different (and sometimes conflicting) opinions, so to move forward it is important that people are open to accept others' views. This is a gradual process and we know there are many rough edges. But we also know that time is pressing, and that stalling this process even further, in the search for a perfect structure is only going to worsen the problems we are currently facing. We are nine months ahead of DebConf15, that means we need teams to be in working condition as soon as possible, but it also means that we have time to detect problems and improve before the next conference happens. That said, let's please push things forward as soon as we can and make improvements along the way. The proposed structure has been drafted with the following goals in mind: * Clearer decision-making processes * Better-defined team membership * Better-defined team responsibilities * Team membership that continues from year to year * Clearer time-line for the DebConf year * Clearer documentation on agreed processes * Low number of top-level teams (as opposed to 22 teams) Teams Definition The DebConf organization responsibilities are distributed among 5 main teams, each of which has their own tasks and work-flows, that can be performed mostly independently from the other teams; and a special coordination team, which requires a broader view of the conference organization, and is instrumental on the other teams healthy functioning. As of today, the teams are defined as follows: *Content team*: schedule scheme, CFP, talk/session selection and scheduling, inviting guest speakers, and anything related to the content of the conference. *Facilities team*: accommodation, food, venue negotiations and venue arrangements, including social events: cheese and wine, formal dinner, day trip, and any other semi-formal gathering. *Infrastructure team*: sysadmin (within DSA as well as debconf.org services, website and summit included), on-site network and videoteam. *Fundraising team*: intersecting with wider Debian fundraising team, obtaining the necessary funds to run the conference. *Participant assistance team*: frontdesk, registration, room assignment, visa, on-site volunteer recruitment, feedback management, define bursaries rules, recruit and coordinate the bursaries committee. Separate from these, a smaller, multiple-purpose *DebConf coordination team*: keeping track of the DebConf calendar and time-line (though each subteam should also be doing this), "poker" role, treasurer role (budget agreement and accounting), gather and organise the DebConf committee, define bid selection rules, recruit and assign bid mentors, watch for problems in teams, request processes be documented, call for meetings, etc. This team will work closely with the chairs. The *DebConf committee* is gathered every year by the DebConf coordination team for choosing the next DebConf location. They are expected to study, question and interact with the bids, producing a conclusion by a specified date, avoiding a public decision-making meeting. It will be composed by the DebConf Chairs, representatives from the teams (not necessarily the lead) and representatives of the wider Debian community. For this year cycle, these will be initially gathered from the current committee. The *DebConf chairs* remain a consulting/overseeing body, trying to oversee all processes to detect problems, while interfering as little as possible with the normal functioning of the organisation. Membership == In this new structure, every orga team member (including locals) should belong to one of the teams listed above. Ideally, people would remain part of a team for at least a couple of DebConf editions. In addition to the regular team members, each team will need a few formally defined positions: *Team lead*: provides guidance to the team, and makes sure the team delivers on its responsibilities in time. The lead needs to keep track of ongoing tasks, to realise when things are getting behind schedule, but also to provide effective communication with the rest of the organisation: it needs to be the team's first point of contact. *Team lead shadow*: works closely with the lead -- it can be seen as a preparatory or backup position, since the shadow would be the natural substitute in case of lead absence. *Team advisor(s)*: experienced member(s) who may not be active every day, but can have an important role in giving advice and dealing with complex issues. *Team local liason*: a local member whose responsibility is to ensure communication between the team and other locals, t
Re: [Debconf-team] New DebConf organisation team structure
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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-announce] New DebConf organisation team structure
Hello all, This email is just a reminder that the deadline for team nominations is in just three days. Not many people has sent their preferences yet, so please do it as soon as possible. Below, the portion of the email you need to reply to. Again, please send your replies to cha...@debconf.org Thanks! Forwarded Message [..] Submissions will be accepted *until Thursday, November the 13th*, unless in cases where we were not able to find a clear leader for the team. [..] Feedback form = Please select which teams you would like to be part of, we recommend that you select a maximum of two in which you intend to be an active participant. In addition to that, add the names of people you believe would do a good job as either lead or shadow, in order of preference. Please, only do this for teams or tasks with which you are or were somehow involved in the past. Feel free to nominate yourself or to propose more than one person, but please try to limit it to at most 3 people. ~~ Choice of team(s) and nominations(s) Facilities team: Want to be a member: [ ] Candidate(s) for lead/shadow: Rationale (optional): Content team: Want to be a member: [ ] Candidate(s) for lead/shadow: Rationale (optional): Infrastructure team: Want to be a member: [ ] Candidate(s) for lead/shadow: Rationale (optional): Attendee assistance team: Want to be a member: [ ] Candidate(s) for lead/shadow: Rationale (optional): DebConf coordination team: Want to be a member: [ ] Candidate(s) for lead/shadow: Rationale (optional): General comments: ~~ Tincho, on behalf of the chairs. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Leads and shadows for the new DebConf teams
Hi all, After much work and deliberations, we are finally able to announce the leads and shadows for three of the new teams. We regret the delay in publishing this list, as well as the fact that it is not yet complete. We had difficulties finalising the two remaining teams: facilities and infrastructure, and decided to postpone them instead of delaying more the other teams. See below for how to help us finish these. Without further ado, the list of leads and shadows for the new teams: Content team Lead: Ana Guerrero López Shadow: René Mayorga Participant assistance team Lead: Nattie Mayer-Hutchings Shadow: Giacomo Catenazzi General coordination team Lead: Margarita Manterola Shadow: Gunnar Wolf We want to thank you all for accepting this big commitment and believing on this reorganisation! --- On the remaining teams: We are seriously understaffed for the facilities team, and need more input to elect a lead. Please, if you have not sent feedback about this team, please do so ASAP, more input for leads (and more volunteers!) will help us finalise it! This is obviously a team that will have a big composition of locals, and is critical for the success of DebConf. Many people wonder why is it necessary at all. We believe that integrating all members of the organisation -including the yearly rotation of locals- is very important, and that keeping the institutional memory alive for on-the-ground tasks is very important; and this team would help achieve these goals. For the infrastructure team, we have a good number of volunteers (thanks!), but we have not yet arrived at electing the lead and shadow. Again, you can help us by giving more input. This team also might raise many questions, as we are all used to a big and strong video team, which was separate from the traditional sysadmin, website and networking tasks. We joined them together for many reasons, including helping the video team reconstruct, with a stronger collaboration with the rest of the infrastructure; and a more resilient setup by sharing responsibilities among many people instead of having one- or two-person teams. We will publish the results for these teams as soon as we can. Tincho, on behalf of the chairs. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC16 meeting
On 24/11/14 16:17, Michael Banck wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 04:44:55PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> We have a meeting tonight at 20:00 UTC (21:00 CET) >> >> The current agenda is at: >> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Minutes/2014-11-24 > > I wonder whether there will be another DC16 meeting before the bid > deadline (which AFAIK is still supposed to be end of the year?) > Shouldn't we check up with the bids as presented at DC14 and/or > additional bids since then? Indeed, we need to do so. This falls into the realm of the Coordination team, Marga, Gunnar: can you organise this? (we need to add these kind of things to a calendar/timeline, for next time). -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Infrastructure team
Hi all, Just as we had a hard time agreeing what tasks to combine to this team in the previous round of discussion, it was hard to agree leads for the new Infrastructure grouping, since different people nominated experts from different areas of its work. We recognise that tasks like sysadmin and video will continue to have different sets of people working on them, and will continue to need their own team leadership, but we think that it is worth trying the experiment of putting these together into a single grouping, as previously agreed: "*Infrastructure team*: sysadmin (within DSA as well as debconf.org services, website and summit included), on-site network and videoteam." After speaking with the several people who were most frequently nominated for leadership roles for the new infrastructure grouping, we are ready to welcome the new lead/shadow: Lead: Richard Hartmann Shadow: Stefano Rivera We ask Richard and Stefano to cooperate with everyone already working on the relevant tasks that now fall within the new grouping. Tincho on behalf of the DebConf Chairs -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15-t...@lists.debian.org no longer needed?
On 01/12/14 23:59, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > Hi everybody > > I guess now the DebConf14 is over we can everybody subscribe/send to > debconf-team@lists.debconf.org only? > > and maybe close the debconf15-t...@lists.debian.org list? This one seems like a candidate for removal too: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Teams -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15-t...@lists.debian.org no longer needed?
On 08/12/14 17:30, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martín Ferrari [2014-12-08 17:50 +0100]: >> This one seems like a candidate for removal too: >> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Teams > > I think it would be best if the new teams replaced the sections they > now cover with an appropriate statement, and also made sure not to > lose people that way. The new structure is being documented at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Teams as it is not anymore a DCn team. Not much point in trying to keep them in sync, IMO -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC16 timeline, bid decision committee and next steps
Hi, On 09/12/14 19:17, Margarita Manterola wrote: > For the past couple of years, we've had two meetings, a first meeting > where some questions were asked, problems were pointed out, action items > for the bid teams were proposed, etc. And a second meeting where the > actual decision took place. > > I'm not too convinced of the two-meeting format, the committee is > composed from a lot of people with very different timezones, and getting > them all together for both meetings means a lot of time and energy spent > on that, for very little benefit. > > Instead, I'd rather have only one (the decision meeting), and have all > the other conversation be done over the mailing list in advance. I think that if we are going to keep only one meeting, it should be early in the process to allow (force) everybody to think about the bids in depth, to ask many questions, to get a feel of the bids, the expectations of the committee, and to understand the process. We have experience of the committee not doing the homework early enough, or the bids only realising problems when it is too late. So I think an early meeting would help a lot. I also think that the best outcome would be not to have a decision meeting at all, because with the mailing list discussions it had become clear which bid is the winner, and leave the decision meeting as a last recourse. Having said that, if there is consensus to go the other way, I will just shut up :-) PS: I also agree with Tiago in not moving the decision before the end of January. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Q for Cape Town bid: attendees safety outside the venue
Hi Stefano, On 18/12/14 16:46, Stefano Rivera wrote: > The campus is patrolled by security guards, and has monitored CCTV > covering most public areas. Paths through middle campus are lit at > night, and there are brightly lit panic button pillars along the more > remote paths. [..] > We'd probably want to provide some transport into town in the evenings, > and this is where people would need to be a little more careful. Walking > through a busy part of town is fine. Wandering through desolate areas, > on your own, is less so. I get the impression from what you say that we will need to be pretty sheltered to be safe. I know Debian people like to wander and observe what happens outside of the conference, and I cannot imagine asking the people to never wander away on their own. Is this just a bad impression of mine? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Q for Cape Town bid: local team
Hi all, Since the presentation of the DC16 bids there has not been much activity, so I thought I would help release the post-holiday sleepiness with this.. Please, remember that the bid decision affect us all, so start reading the bids and make sure to question everything that might be a problem! ~ We all know how intensive is the on-the-ground work of the local team, not only during the conference, but months before that. Even when we had "weak" local teams in the past, there was always a number of core local people (with N=1 sometimes) who drove the process, interfaced with the rest of orga, and generally made it happen. I see that there are some well known DebConf members in the list, but they are not strictly local. Looking at those that live in Cape Town, I haven't met or interacted with any of them. This worries me. So, my questions: * What would be the list of people we can really consider local (as opposed to regular orga folk that are really interested in this bid), and * Who are the people driving this effort. (I would appreciate if Montreal also answers this last question). Thanks, Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Summit
Marcelo, On 17/01/15 12:49, Marcelo Gutierrez wrote: > Jelou people. I'm interested in helping from .ni, I will be starting > with Django and Summit but I have time to play now :) and I'm also more > than happy to help with future Debconfs. > > I will + myself to the wiki of Infra Team. You added yourself to the Teams page[1], where only the leads/shadows are listed. Please, before adding yourself there or in any teams page, talk to the team first. [1]: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki?title=Teams&diff=0&oldid=35295 -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Hi Bernelle, On 26/01/15 17:38, Bernelle Verster wrote: > https://www.uct.ac.za/students/services/jammie/maps/vac/ > > The one to town is to the Hiddingh campus. > > This is currently the holiday schedule until 31 January so gives you a > good idea of off peak times. If I read correctly, this means that the last bus leaves town at 6 on weekdays, and that there are no afternoon/evening buses on the weekend. So, no chance of going to town for shopping, sight-seeing, or just grabbing a beer without the need for a taxi back. I presume students usually drive? IMHO, this is a critically weak point of that venue. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Bernelle, On 27/01/15 10:38, Bernelle Verster wrote: > That is correct. People tend to not want to take any form of public > transport after dark in South Africa. Students usually drive here or > share private taxis back. Do you know how much would be the cost of a taxi at night to get from downtown into campus? > We did obtain quotes for 'dinner shuttles' - 14 seater buses to be used > ad hoc, see > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Potential_Venues#Transport_jottings Right, but I worry more about the daily trips that attendees will make. > This may be a weak point of this venue, but at any other venue we would > have to organise transport after dark as well, and possibly right > through the day too. Oh. I understood that the other venue option would be of walking distance of most amenities. Can you elaborate on this? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Bernelle, On 27/01/15 11:01, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Right, but I worry more about the daily trips that attendees will make. > > It would be silly to stay in town and commute daily to the debconf > venue, in my opinion... We are only considering venues with very close > accommodation. I did not mean that, although I am sure many people will want their own accommodation, and that needs to be taken into account. I meant that many people like to go exploring after the talks are over, maybe to sample the local beer production, or to have dinner in a nice restaurant, etc. > Oh. I understood that the other venue option would be of walking > distance of most amenities. Can you elaborate on this? > I think there might be a perception here that town is where most is > happening, which I think is not necessarily the case. Cape Town, as most > of South Africa, has extensive urban sprawl, and the places to hang out > are clustered in suburbs. Every suburb has it's 'feel' and it's famous > eateries and attractions. So all venues will have walking distance Ah, I see. This is not great for pedestrians though :/ > amenities (Cape Town team please correct me or elaborate?). The > university campus is also walking distance from amenities, getting back > to the venue just has a steep uphill. It's just getting to town proper I was checking the maps, and I don't seem to find many amenities around campus. There seems to be a couple of fast food places in Main rd, but that's the only I've found, and it is 1.3km from the venue... Is there more stuff that I am missing? Is there some kind of village nearby? > that is a bit more of a mission. In my personal view, town is a touristy > thing or a weekend-ey thing to do, and to do once and once only. I understand. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] LWN coverage of DebConf15
Hi all, By initiative of Paul Wise, recently there has been some talks about inviting a LWN journalist to cover DebConf15, by offering travel and board sponsoring. LWN is one of the most respected news outlets in the Linux world, they have a strong emphasis on free software, and they are known for the quality and technical depth of their articles. They have not covered DebConf since 2005, and it seems like a good idea to work to have them covering us again. It is a good way to increase exposure and to make the sponsors more happy about giving us money. The LWN people have already said that they would like to cover the conference, and that they have had that pending for a while. They also said that helping cover some of the costs would make it more feasible. To quote Paul: > "(Flock) offered travel sponsorship to LWN > reporters and as a result Flock 2014 had some great coverage. > https://lwn.net/Articles/608426/ > https://lwn.net/Articles/608546/ > https://lwn.net/Articles/608915/ > https://lwn.net/Articles/609048/"; Does this seem like a good idea to the wider orga team? If so, I would then defer this to bursaries and budget team to study the costs and feasibility. Note: this is a public mailing list, so if you have some comments that should not be publicly archived, please reply directly to cha...@debconf.org Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] LWN coverage of DebConf15
On 02/02/15 21:16, Margarita Manterola wrote: > All that said, someone will need to handle contacting them and asking > this kind of questions. Tincho, are you going to keep being their > contact or will someone else be? I had already asked about cost estimates when I sent the idea to the list. I am waiting for an answer. Paul was the initial contact, so either him or me can continue to be the liaison. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Registration questions
On 04/02/15 22:59, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Could frame this differently? The normal framing (above) often ends up > with an assumption that everyone must eat meat, with only a limited > set-aside for vegetarians. This results in overconsumption of meat: it > forces normal people to eat meat in order to avoid running out of > vegetarian dishes for the vegetarians. While I am in the group that sometimes wished they could eat the vegetarian dish, because it looked tastier, or because they wanted to skip meat one day, I really don't agree with your proposal. No dietary restrictions means what it means, not that meat is mandatory. Lacto-ovo-vegetarian is by definition a dietary restriction, no matter how you frame it. > This way, we could ensure that the people who need meat can get it, > without pushing everyone who isn't explicitly vegetarian into eating > meat. I don't *need* meat, I just like eating it as part of my diet. A more sensible approach would be to have many options, or just be free to choose between the two offered at will, but it seems that our caterers for the past many years can't offer more than two options, in more or less restricted numbers. This proposal will not solve the underlying problem, just changes the semantics, in a way that I find troubling. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]
On 05/02/15 18:49, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I think this is right(er), although still pointless IMO. I do not > believe (most) people expect to eat meat at every meal. I think it > would be easier to agree with our caterer to provide meat for > approximately half of the days. I don't think it'd be seen as too > little, and I think you would approve of the idea of setting a > hard-maximum on served meat! :) As I said before, the problem is not the form, but the caterers just putting N vegetarian and M meat-including dishes, instead of offering a bit more choice. Instead of trying to have no-meat days, the caterer could just have some extra vegetarian on offer, and let people choose, while having a reserve for the people who only eat vegetarian. Also, usually making extra amounts of vegetarian food is not such a big problem, because that food can usually be recycled into something else (vegetarian or not) in the next meal. All of this, though, is unrelated to the form, and something that it will have to be dealt with the caterer. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] moving debconf-discuss@ to lists.d.o?
On 07/02/15 22:13, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > What about to move debconf-discuss to lists.d.o NOW? +1 -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bitcoin payments for DebConf15
On 14/02/15 17:08, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Richard Hartmann [2015-02-14 17:54 > +0100]: >> I have no idea what that means specifically, so I can't really >> answer your question. What is your plan, what happens when bitcoin >> go up in value, what happens when they go down, at what point do >> you convert into Euro, etc pp? > > I will send Euro according to the exchange rate at the time of > receipt, and for sanity purposes, allow me an error margin of ± 1%. Wouldn't this be a tax problem for you? Also, I am not sure about the procedure for third parties to receive money on behalf of Debian... I don't remember what do we do in this cases. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]
On 25/02/15 14:53, Brian Gupta wrote: [...] > P.S. - I am little frustrated that it seems from the overall trend in > the conversation, that the choices of those that choose to include > meat in their diet, seem to be having their choices being classified > as "optional", vs. those that choose not to eat meat, having their > choices being classified as a "need". (food allergies aside). Just chiming in to say that I agree to all you said here. I am also a bit frustrated about claims that vegetarian is not a restriction, that it should be the default, o that we are eating too much meat. It is perfectly fine for individuals to make their own dietary choices, but I don't like when that is somehow imposed upon the rest. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 Budget discussion - Review now - Meeting on Thursday, March 12th - 19:30 UTC
On 02/03/15 21:47, Margarita Manterola wrote: > We'll have a specific meeting to discuss any open issues, on Thursday, > March 12th, 19:30 UTC, on #debconf-team. Please be sure to either be > there or send any comments you have before that. To all team leads: please, ensure you have your team's needs addressed in the budget, and to have somebody present in the meeting. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Helping the budget get approved
On 21/03/15 05:50, martin f krafft wrote: > to facilitate your job of approving the "base case" budget, please > allow me to provide a few bits of additional information: I won't comment on the budget, as other people are working on that. > I'd also really like to stop having to defend this budget against an > unknown group of "helpers" around the chairs.⁴ Why? Do you get to choose who we consult with? What is exactly your problem with the chairs getting help from people? And that group does not seem to be so unknown, since it you took appropriate measures to find out who we were talking with. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Childcare at DebConf15 — action required
On 08/04/15 15:56, martin f krafft wrote: > We realise that you may not feel comfortable talking about kids in > public, but this will be a good forum for us to send information > out. If you want to reply just to us organisers, you can always > address your replies to k...@debconf.org and we'll consider your > input anonymously. > Right now, interest is too low and a decision needs to be made next > week, so unless you feel strongly and write in, we'll turn down the > offer. Before you turn down or accept any offers, has this been coordinated with the PA team, and Nattie? Who has decided which option to pursue? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Transport for DC15 conf dinner
On 07/05/15 20:19, martin f krafft wrote: > So, the restaurant is about a 6k walk (partially uphill). Yes, we > could just force everyone to walk and use private cars for those > that cannot. I'd really prefer having 3 medium-sized busses (e.g. > 25–30 seats) ferrying back and forth for an hour and give everyone > the option. 6 km?? Walking is not really an option, save for the fitness nuts... This really means that the dinner budget MUST include the buses, and therefore we are talking about an even bigger number! > Finally, I am pretty sure I will find a way to make this happen > within the existing budget. But if it turns out I cannot, I'd much > rather have some additional funds available than to turn down, get > approval and risk missing another offer. What offer was missed? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget PDF snapshots
On 07/05/15 20:46, martin f krafft wrote: > There's already an overview page designed to produce a quick-n-easy > PDF for the salient information. I don't think it makes sense to > just distill everything from the current file into a PDF. What would > help is knowing what information you'd want in such a snapshot. > > - the overview? > - the detailed expense listing? > - what else? I think the only sane way to work with a budget is to have a plain text file listing the detailed expenses and totals. You calculate it in the way you like it the most, but the rest of the people just need concrete numbers. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: TEDx mobile app attendee profile?
On 13/05/15 07:12, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > I've been reluctant to send this for fear of it being a red herring and > incurring the wrath of the devs, but here goes. (So be gentle!) > > It has potential as a CMS and/or attendee app... please feel free to > contact the devs, Carla and Craig directly, please cc me in. FWIW, I have been using Giggity on Android for years, it is not conference-specific, is stable, and free software (the author is a DD). ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Teckids youth programme at DebConf15 - LAST DEADLINE
On 28/05/15 20:46, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Dominik George [2015-05-28 21:24 > +0200]: >> as a matter of sad fact, we have not received any helpful reply to >> our last mails in which we set and postponed deadlines multiple >> times. > > Guys, this is quite awkward. > > Which team does this belong to? Who is in charge? Are we going to > make the deadline (TOMORROW!) or will we issue an apology? It is in PA's realm, but I am not sure if this was actually ever handled by them.. And in fact, I don't think I have seen other mails by Mr. George before about these missed and extended deadlines. Martin, were you the PoC with him, or who was doing that? Nattie, could you direct whoever is on top of the kids matters onto this issue, to see what's the status and give an answer? In any case, it is my understanding that parent's response to childcare has not been very enthusiastic, so I don't know if this is feasible at all.. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget approval based on ledger
On 26/05/15 15:46, martin f krafft wrote: > Having given this quite a bit of thought in the last few weeks, > here's a proposal which I believe is a good way forward: > [snip] > How does this sound? I'll be importing the latest approved budget > into ledger one of these days, because it'll be useful to me. > If this is a process you'd be willing to try going forward, then we > could use this process for the next budget approval(s). I have to say I have never used ledger before (and I've been meaning to start keeping my books with it, but ENOTIME), so I don't really understand all the details you explain here... A priori, I think that a text-based ledger, kept in a VCS where one can track changes, is a great improvement for handling the budget, for all parties involved. Now, my only fear would be if this is too complicated or difficult to learn for most people (I honestly don't know).. My 2¢. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] LWN coverage of DebConf15
On 15/06/15 22:06, Michael Banck wrote: > Any news on this? Do we need to do something from our side here, or is > everything settled? If the latter, will LWN show up on the Open Weekend > or when? I last wrote to him on May 20th, telling him to go ahead and book the tickets, if he was able to come, but he has not yet confirmed. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget approval based on ledger
On 23/06/15 14:05, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach martin f krafft [2015-05-29 11:47 +0200]: >> Please have a look at http://slexy.org/view/s2Z5PoPNeY, the budget >> file, to which I just appended the travel budget extension Tassia >> approved. I'd say this is readable even without ledger knowledge, >> don't you think? > > Is this a viable way forward? We're about to start with DC16 budget > planning and it would be really useful to know *now* what people > expect and want, not when the work has been done. Sorry I did not follow-up. From what you described in your email, and the paste buffer, it certainly does seem reasonable. I have not tried it myself, but it would be good if other people also weigh in with their opinion, if they have any. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
On 14/07/15 18:21, martin f krafft wrote: > All of the organisation is independent of DebConf15 (i.e. finances > are separate, we've booked a room with the hostel, etc.), but we're > obviously hoping to advertise this in the context of DebConf15. While this workshop might be very useful for the businesses you are targeting, it is not a part of DebConf: it has not been organised by us, and the fact that it is charging a fee might be misinterpreted, because DebConf is open to everybody and fees are only voluntary. I'd add that it might be even be dangerous for our sponsors to think that it is part of DebConf, as they are giving us the money that allows us to offer a week-long conference for free. I already feel pretty disappointed that this is happening in such proximity to DebConf (and specially DebCamp), and therefore being implicitly associated with the conference. We can't stop you from doing it, but DebConf has nothing to do with it, nor wants to. So, please, don't put any reference to it in the DebConf website or any other DebConf materials. This is not a chairs opinion, but a personal one. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
On 16/07/15 14:57, martin f krafft wrote: > Oh? I wasn't aware of this opinion of "DebConf", and I've received > two private replies so far from orga team members who thought the > idea was great and who offered their support. Sadly, I did not see them. Ask them to speak up publicly then, and we can have a debate. Until that, it is an unverifiable claim and thus, irrelevant. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
On 14/07/15 18:21, martin f krafft wrote: > This was well received > and we've been planning to repeat the offering just before > DebConf15. I've mentioned this numerous times in the past, but now > we've finally made a move. I have missed these discussions, can you please refer me to them? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
Bernelle, On 16/07/15 15:48, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Stating explicitly that this is independent is needed, just to cover > bases. On the other hand I see no problem with it being associated > with DebConf. It's Debian associated, and a conference-related > activity. Indeed, and that's why I see a problem. If it is debconf-related and debian-associated, then it should be organised and approved the the DebConf orga. > Why is the fee required? Obviously to cover costs, but seen from the > outside - how does it justify it in terms of DebConf? I would imagine > that businesses would want a different setup, perhaps confidential and > this would imply a cost?? Otherwise just to select against people > 'just showing up'? I don't know. This has not been explained or discussed. I know I would have argued for a much lower fee, and made it optional so small businesses and non-profits could participate too. > This would have been better received if it was communicated in detail > to the wider team earlier - which we should address for future cases. Exactly, this situation is what is tainting it fatally. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
Adding debconf-sponsors-team, as I would like to hear their input on this.
On 17/07/15 17:20, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> I see multiple arguments that argue in favour:
>
> * Martin and Michael are amongst those _making_ the DebConf happen: I
> feel it is strictly better to encourage them to run this under the
> DebConf umbrella, than to have them organize something else, elsewhere,
> elsewhen.
I don't think that being orga justifies this.
> * The logistics _are_ in place, and this event will cover its own costs
> (probably even make a benefit).
Well, one think I don't like is that the cost structure has not been
explained. We are being offered to accept this -as part of DebConf-
without understanding anything, we don't even have a translation of the
webpage.
Martin said it is not for profit, but that does not explain to me if it
means that he and Michael are giving the workshop pro-bono, or that they
are taking a standard pay and then there is no surplus that could be
considered profit. Making a profit or getting paid for your work is
perfectly fine, but in the context of Debian and DebConf they mean quite
different things.
Can all orga members organise their own workshops and classes like this?
What would sponsors think? To an outsider this might look like a pretty
good perk to have.. For one, I would love to organise a workshop like
this: the exposure would attract more clients to my business!
Sponsors-team: what do you think?
If it is not a differentiated perk, then why it is different from the
rest of the events at DebConf, I don't see pictures of all the speakers
prominently shown in places, it is not just another event in summit that
was approved by the content team.
> * This is a good opportunity to bring more people to Deb{Conf,Camp,ian},
> also probably from /unusual/ domains. I don't see how this could end up
> wrongly.
We are already overbooked, I don't think we need/want more people. Also,
the people attending this workshop would at most be interested in the
openweekend.
> The only minor thing is that I would allow regular Deb{Conf,Camp}
> attendees to attend it for no additional cost.
Well, it will only be in German, and Martin already said that places are
very limited. So, basically, it won't be really open for debconfers.
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Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
On 19/07/15 18:34, Martín Ferrari wrote: > Can all orga members organise their own workshops and classes like this? > What would sponsors think? To an outsider this might look like a pretty > good perk to have.. For one, I would love to organise a workshop like > this: the exposure would attract more clients to my business! And there is a subtle but very important ideological factor here: do we want DebConf to have paid workshops every year, like in many commercial conferences? Should we expect that dc16 or dc17 will have a line up of VIPs that attract paying attendees, and a few days of workshops for professional attendees only? These are not rhetorical questions, it is the kind of questions that we need to ask ourselves honestly and decide which kind of conference do we want. Tincho. PS: having madd...@debconf.org as the contact email for this does not enforce the idea that the workshop is independent of the conference. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DayTrip
On 23/07/15 13:24, martin f krafft wrote: > I now have > - 2 busses (à 50 ppl at 490€ each) for Dilsberg Castle > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2290964115#map=11/49.3977/8.8368 > and > - 3 busses (à 47 ppl at 400€ each) for Speyer's tech museum > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/59210519 Possibly this is a stupid question, but have you checked with both venues that they can receive such big groups that day? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Coordination] Timeline changes proposal for DC16
On 25/08/15 16:40, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Random thought: With that level of cash-flow, we could simply rent the > infrastructure DSA was talking about in their BoF instead of looking > for sponsors. As I said in person multiple times, I think having dependable equipment that infra and video knows and is constant across time is a priority for me. Dunno if renting is a good option, maybe buying and shipping around is a better option? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Protest] Changes should come from within the team and not from above
On 28/08/15 14:44, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> Really I check the d-d-a every morning for that. > This is a very bad symptom of how bad things are in the team right > now. There are many factors that contributed to this situation. None of us is happy about that, but these are the cards we've been dealt. > This is how your email felt with that *possibly* there. What was the > intention of the new composition of the coordination team if not to > give you the decision as to who can and who can't participate? > What's the possibly for? We did not intend the team to have a closed membership, we want a minimum of people there, but the more the merrier! > I want to have a serious open team discussion that leads to the team > as a whole (and not the chairs behind close doors) deciding what > changes we want to implement. Together. As a team. We prepared a proposal. It was not done behind closed doors, we talked with many people since the start of this process, I personally spent dozens and dozens of hours talking with people, including you. It is just that for preparing a proposal that makes any sense, sometimes you need to think alone and process what everybody else is saying. Somebody else can prepare other proposals. This is normal, and yourself have done so in the past, with less chance of discussion. > If the team decides that I'm not the best person to lead the > coordination team, I'm perfectly happy to step aside and let someone > else do it. If the chairs decide this without even explaining to me > why, then I'm not going to go away quietly. There is no coordination team currently, it was never formed, so how can it decide on a lead? If you read what Cate and Tassia had written, it is clear that the internal structure will be decided when the team is formed, which requires the DC16 people that already voiced interest, plus other orga people that want to join, plus current team members (basically you), to get together and discuss. Finally, you told me personally that you wanted to resign, months ago. Since there was nobody else on the team, and nobody volunteered to join, we could not replace you, so things stayed the same. Why are you suddenly so attached? Last Saturday, when we had a hours long discussion, I told you about the intention -among many of the other things that were proposed in Tassia's email- to modify the coord team, and to have DC16 people as an important part of it. So, how come this is a surprise to you? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] On the "local team"
On 26/09/15 20:40, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Tassia Camoes Araujo [2015-09-23 23:42 +0200]: >> Do you think that the Chairs have any issue about the existance of >> local team? This is not true. For DC16, the local team of Cape >> Town made the *choice* of working within mixed teams of local and >> global people. It was not an imposition, and it can still be >> changed. So I'm still confused about the point of this message. > Frankly, I don't think the DC16 people knew what they were choosing. There seems to be an impression circulating around that we somehow tricked the DC16 people into this.. It is pretty funny, because we went to talk to them after already convincing ourselves that this was something that most people wanted (because of discussions in DebCamp), and we were pretty surprised by their response. I guess you should ask them -including the signatories of this email- before complaining about this decision. > There's been a trend to get rid of the concept of the local team. > The point of the message is to identify this as a garden path and > reinstate the common belief that the local team should be embraced > and supported. > > It's good to know that you agree with most of it. I would find it > interesting to hear the other chairs' positions. I agree with big parts of it, but I really don't understand what is being proposed here, or even what is being criticised. That the local team is asked to join long-lived teams instead of roaming free? Well, that was one of many points where there was almost universal consensus last year: that we need institutional memory, clear responsibilities, and boundaries. I don't see in this email any concrete proposal on how to improve the status quo, while respecting what was identified as necessities for orga. I wonder how many people did the exercise of thinking of how any particular change will fare with the real orga team, with bid teams ranging from barely existent to all-encompassing, and how the actual people involved would work with those rules. Not to mention that all this is the same old post-decision endless discussion that everyone complains about. You can find in the minutes of last year's discussions many comments about the local/global split being a problem. This year, some other decision was taken, but we keep going back to it. Next time somebody complains about decisions being challenged all the time, I will point them to these discussions... -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fixing the Debconf Delagation
On 23/09/15 18:59, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I haven't followed the current debate closely, so I won't comment on any > specifics, except: > On 23/09/15 at 13:15 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: >> I think this is a symptom of a problem that is actually built into the >> current delegation. >> >> The delegation for the chairs only really provides one routinely usable >> power: The power to rearrange teams > > That is not part of the current delegation. What is in the delegation is > that the Chairs should "help the DebConf team define [...] a structure > (such as defining sub-teams and the responsibilities of different roles) > [...]." That's quite different. Yes. And it could be argued that we took a too executive role on this -I acknowledged this to you in person in DC15- by leading the workshops, compiling what we found to be a more-or-less consensus, and driving its implementation. But I think it also should be acknowledged that this is the first time that an actual attempt to solve the governance problems is put in place, and it was 100% triggered by requests from orga members. When I accepted the delegation, I had *no* intention of working so hard for so long on this. >> The other (more exceptional) power that the chairs have to interfere >> with day-to-day affairs is also problematic: overriding decisions >> >> While this is only used rarely, > > Actually, the value of that power is that it exists. But I don't think > that it has ever been used. It has been used, in situations where we felt that important parts of DebConf were at risk: budgetary decisions, sponsors relationships, volunteers motivation, and even some basic tenets of the conference were at stake. Every time this happened, it was because somebody from the local team acted on their own, overstepping other people's responsibilities, and without prior consultation. I would like to ask fil or any of the people who think the chairs should not exist what would they do in situations like these. Tincho. All opinions are mine, not previously discussed with the other chairs. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] On the "local team"
On 28/09/15 12:46, martin f krafft wrote: > This is not to say that everything about the teams structure is bad, > nor that "institutional memory, clear responsibilities, and > boundaries" aren't necessary. But that there are learnings of the > past 12 months that need to be considered, and two of those are: > > - embracing the local team > - ensuring people can use their time to do work towards the > conference organisation, rather than losing their energy trying > to figure out how to start Like I said in my previous email, I don't see how this is suppposed to happen. > Please be reminded that we all went along and supported the teams > structure installation for the first 6 months, even though it really > hurt us to have to wait months for the teams to be formed before we > could resume work on DebConf, and we some of us disagreed with > aspects of your proposal. That is certainly not the way I remember things happening. You had to wait for people to do work, yes, but it was not really the teams formation what delayed much anything, but people taking more time that you considered was needed, while at the same time not being allowed to overstep their area of responsibility. We can all agree that some teams missed their deadlines or were not particularly responsive, yes. But the issues came when instead of pushing through the coordination team for them to wake up, people tried to just override other people. Or when deadlines were pushed to teams without sensible justifications, or agreement. If we are going to conclude that this did not work, I would like to hear more concrete evaluations of the problems. > But when the teams were finally defined and memberships canvassed, > it didn't work out as expected. Some teams remained leaderless, > others had leaders and shadows who didn't participate, and the were > countless open questions about competencies and roles that nobody > ever addressed. Which team remained leaderless? Apart from the one that was not formed, and the local team took its place. Can you also point out which leaders did not participate? I don't know which open questions about competences remain open.. This has been documented, and explained many times in different media. Can you elaborate? -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fixing the Debconf Delagation
On 28/09/15 12:54, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martín Ferrari [2015-09-28 10:49 +0200]: >> It has been used, in situations where we felt that important parts >> of DebConf were at risk: budgetary decisions, sponsors >> relationships, volunteers motivation, and even some basic tenets >> of the conference were at stake. Every time this happened, it was >> because somebody from the local team acted on their own, >> overstepping other people's responsibilities, and without prior >> consultation. > > I contest this. At no time was anything about DebConf15 at risk. The > important stuff was all arranged before the current chairs even got > appointed or teams were formed. Long-term relationships with sponsors were at risk when you authorised unilaterally an in-kind donation for a service that nobody had even mentioned before the conference started. Debconf goals were at risk when you wanted to allocate less money for sponsored food and accommodation in exchange for more fancy perks. Volunters participation and motivation was at risk when you overrode the already ongoing efforts to coordinate childcare, without even sending them an email to the people involved. A big part of the spirit of DebConf was at stake, with the possibility of alienating the Debian community, when you set up a for-pay workshop during DebCamp in the same venue, created a webpage for it, and only then decided it was a good idea to tell the team. Not that you sought agreement on this being good for DebConf, you just asked if it was OK to link the page from the main debconf website. Actually, we did not need to override decisions for these items. For some it was too late already (sponsorship already accepted, confusion and demotivation in childcare already added), for the others it was enough to speak up and spell out the problems with the approach you were taking. In any case, it is interesting how you say that because the main things for dc15 were arranged, there was no risk. The chairs care for much more than one DC cycle, we care about the next 1, 2, 5 debconfs, and for the volunteers making it happen. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fixing the Debconf Delagation
n issue, and personpower issue (I read > all those childcare emails as they happened). The way I am trying to > fix this is by making people more cooperative (see Asheesh's talk; > collaborative needs a lot of communication, cooperative can work more > independently) and clear on communications. These are currently coming Communication is what failed here. There were people working in the background, I was also following some of the emails, and I also did not know exactly what was going on. But the problem is when instead of asking the people in charge how is it going, what do you need to make this happen, etc, you just take over and send an external communication that contradicts some already agreed items. > * Setting up events external to DebConf, that is still associated with > DebConf by design or otherwise, with tension of affecting the DebConf > 'image'. Example: madduck's workship, and for DC16: ShowMeBox. > > How to fix this: Tell the greater team about it, well in advance, and > get input and then go-ahead, well in advance. Find a constructive way > to answer "Is lack of response a yes or no?" We need to understand as > a team that there are other things happening, linking to, but You just said it. What you did with the ShowMeBox is the ideal way of doing things: you propose a new idea, that might be challenged by some people, well in advance. You send an email in an archived mailing list, and there is plenty of time to comment on it. The problem with the workshop was that it was only communicated when it was already arranged, rooms reserved, webpage prepared.. And it was just a month before the conference started! > Another thing that was not mentioned by Tincho, but may underlie the > 'more fancy perks' discussion is who gets to decide on how budget gets > spent, when (additional) money is sourced by people in the (e.g.) > local organisation? If the budget is approved with a certain amount > committed, and more than that amount gets raised, you need a clear set > of guidelines (not a policy, but a set of questions to guide > conversation between the team and chairs and DPL) to get everyone on > the same page. Said another way, are the people who source extra funds > in charge of spending it? What about the people who are not involved > in fundraising but had ideas or feelings about it? Instead of saying > this group or that group can decide where this money goes, what are > the priorities that would decide where the money goes? What set of > questions can make the thinking behind the decisions explicit? I think it has been more or less agreed that raising money does not give you the right to decide how to spend it. And if the long-term idea of merging DC fundraising with Debian fundraising happens, that becomes even more evident. At the same time, the local/bid team obviously has a lot to say about how to spend the money, and in practice it is them who define most of the expenditure. Formally, it is the DPL with the chairs who sign-off the budget. > In closing, people like madduck are enthusiastic and energised, they > make things happen and we should encourage that. That they make > decisions 'too quickly' or 'not consultative' is a symptom of the > organisation needing to give better guidance, and the Chairs are not a > catch all answer to this (perhaps rather addressing the symptom, not > the cause). Their behaviour is not the core problem. I want to point out that the current chairs' plan was to withdraw as much as possible from the decision making process, and only stay as a safeguard, considering that the reorganisation would give enough power to each team to take decisions that are respected. > I find the power to override decisions damaging to trust. If you need > this power, you are not doing your job as chair well. Your power to > override should be the social pressure you can exert because of the > respect afforded you. I can see how this power needs to be written > into some agreement for real emergencies, but I am really worried that > it is a sword hanging over our heads because the respect is not there. > And respect is earned. It is true that it is damaging if it is a sword hanging over your head. And I understand that some people felt that way. But, as I corrected myself, actually the override power was not really used (I only recall one occasion, to solve a problem that had been stuck for months, and it was not even related to dc15). These examples I provided were not actually overrides, but the chairs exerting pressure and trying to push people to respect the agreed-upon structures. Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] The "Debian-cloud" Workshop
On 30/09/15 21:31, martin f krafft wrote: >> The problem with the workshop was that it was only communicated >> when it was already arranged, rooms reserved, webpage prepared.. >> And it was just a month before the conference started! > But again, you are mixing up your facts, Tincho. There was nothing > arranged, nor rooms reserved. We had barely managed to prepare > a webpage with many unknowns. I will quote your message from 14/7/15 (full text at [1]): > All of the organisation is independent of DebConf15 (i.e. finances > are separate, we've booked a room with the hostel, etc.), but we're > obviously hoping to advertise this in the context of DebConf15. If my understanding of English is not too broken, it says there that you had already booked a room with the hostel. There was also a pretty much finished webpage hosted on DebConf infrastructure, which can be seen in [2]. > We never considered the workshop part of DebConf, and never wanted > it to take place during DebConf. But we obviously saw the synergy Well, if it was going to happen during debcamp, the day before DebConf starts, announced on the debconf website, and the contact email was @debconf.org, it is not crazy to assume it is pretty much related to debconf, is it? > The immediate response by the chairs was so overwhelmingly negative > that we immediately removed the webpage, lost all motivation and > buried the plans, despite the encouraging and supportive feedback > we've been receiving since. Yes, the response was negative because of the way you handled it. I am sorry you lost motivation, but that is not our fault. [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/debconf-team@lists.debconf.org/msg12753.html [2] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc15.git/plain/website/workshop.xhtml?id=b73bc1df2e497fd41651620fa3a2f4fa2d27e198 -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Re: LWN coverage of DebConf15?
Nathan has kindly given me permission to share this with the team: - So I wanted to express my thanks to everyone on the team for allowing us to sneak in and for putting up with my annoying questions (on-site and afterward via email). It was a great event, and everyone involved really deserves praise for making it so fluid and fun, not to mention informative. - He has published 8 articles about DebConf, which can be found in the LWN website: https://lwn.net/Archives/ConferenceByYear/#2015-DebConf ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Resignation
DebConf team members, Debian Project Leader, We have tried hard to build something that would make DebConf work more inclusive, diverse and enjoyable for everybody involved, because first and foremost we care about the people who work hard year after year to make the conference happen. Sadly, our efforts have been met with such a resistance by a very vocal minority, that in the end the atmosphere has become unbearably toxic -- for us and for many others. For the benefit of the team, but more importantly for our own health, we have decided to step down. Despite working very hard for a long time trying to follow our mandate, it has become patently clear that some people will keep boycotting any efforts at consensus-building until their particular vision is applied. The "argue until everyone else goes away" approach, which has previously driven away a number of long-term team members, has now succeeded even with us Chairs. We do not take this decision lightly. We care deeply about this conference: it has been a very important part of our life for a long time. Not only have we spent way too much time on DebConf since our delegation as Chairs: we have been involved for many years, some of us for almost a decade, and two of us were local team at some point, with the incredibly hard work that it entails. We believe the course which is being pushed for the organisation team to take is going to be detrimental for both the conference and for the volunteers who have graciously donated their free time to make it happen. But we no longer believe that we are capable of steering the team into another direction. In conclusion, effective immediately, we resign from the position of DebConf Chairs. It is up to the DPL to decide whether to appoint a replacement or to leave the position vacant. We will refrain from being involved in that process. We wish you all good luck, and we sincerely hope things will change for the better. Cate, Tassia, Tincho. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Resignation
On 06/10/15 15:27, Martín Ferrari wrote: > In conclusion, effective immediately, we resign from the position of > DebConf Chairs. Moreover, I am personally quitting all DebConf involvement, including IRC channels and mailing lists. -- Martín Ferrari (Tincho) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question for bid teams: outside the hotel
Hi! On 1/4/07, Moray Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Many DebConf attendees like to visit restaurants/bars outside the venue. If a group of people walk out the building, what is available in the immediate surroundings of the different hotels suggested? Mar de Plata: > The hotel is located in the center of Mar del Plata I assume there are places to go in close walking distance, then? Yes, Mar del Plata has a very big touristic infrastructure and it keeps alive all year long, because many people live permanently there. Also you have public transportation for moving around bigger distances. Mendoza: > The hotel is located 8km away of Mendoza Is there anything else in the area of the hotel? No, there are mostly farms around. How long does it take to get into the city, and how much does it cost? In about 15 minutes by cab, for less than 5 dollars. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebianDay signup page
Hi Joerg, On 2/26/07, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It also needs someone who checks the texts it displays and sends out. And someone who gives it a bit of a layout, the current is *very* basic. Code is located in svn, debconf-data repository. I found a couple of glitches: The mail I received was uncorrecly formatted, it seems that somehow the headers got into the mail body: Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:20:16 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; From nobody Tue Feb 27 09:20:16 2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:20:16 + Subject: debian day signup Also, if I try to sign up again (after clicking the confirmation link), I get this message, which is not correct: You seem to be in the pending queue. check your email for a confirm mail bye, -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsor logos still missing from the website
Hi Steve, On 3/9/07, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >debconf-website team seems to be slow, yeah. :() :-( That's becoming a problem. If we're short of website people, can we find some more volunteers soon? I can step in and help... What should I do to start helping? -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsor logos still missing from the website
HI all, these are the CSS I hacked from the dc7 wiki for using in
pentabarf schedule. I has a lot of unused code from the wiki, but I
left it just in case. I think they look pretty well...
I did them, supposing you upload the same banner for the title, hope
that's doable in penta.
On 3/15/07, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Martín,
Best thing to do is probably to dive in and see what needs doing. I've
started dealing with the sponsor logos directly myself now, but I'd be
amazed if there aren't other jobs that need doing. I'm not on the web
team - after ana quit I believe Neil is the only remaining member, and
he's overworked doing lots of other things as well. Neil, can you talk
to Martín?
--
Martín Ferrari
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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsor logos still missing from the website
On 3/27/07, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks, now activated. So schedule looks like our main
debconf7.debconf.org page now, thanks to Tincho.
Jörg, here are the updated css and the html bit to replace the current
header. I fixed the float to opaque borders from the background, and
some minor alignment adjusts, and also added clearance on the
navigation links, so it looks better.
Sorry about the spaguetti code.. it's just a big hack :)
http://debconf7.debconf.org/";>
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Edinburgh, UK 17 June - 23 June
--
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Re: [Debconf-team] How's the debconf6 report coming?
On 3/28/07, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Don't know of the others (svn looks quite untouched), but at least
proofreading my germish part of the report [1] would be welcome :)
I'm not a native speaker, but I spotted a couple of errors (aspell
helped too :)). Some of them are for en_GB, but I don't know if it's
the preferred locale:
@@ -1,29 +1,29 @@
-\section{Full service please -- Organizing the sessions}
+\section{Full service please -- Organising the sessions}
\label{sec:organizing_events}
\begin{center}
\textcolor{red}{Alexander "Tolimar" Schmehl}
- \small{Head of the speaker team and co-organizer}
+ \small{Head of the speaker team and co-organiser}
%% Uhm... how do we call the "chief" of a team?
%% Should be synchronzied for all "titles"
\end{center}
-Organizing DebConf is a unique thing regarding many aspects. Since
+Organising DebConf is a unique thing regarding many aspects. Since
its attendees are scattered around the world and seldom meet each
other in person DebConf is heavily used for discussing various topics,
outline new ideas, collect feedback and implement them.
This leads high fluctuation of the schedule and all the
-organizational problem involved with that. New ad hoc session are
+organisational problem involved with that. New ad-hoc session are
added on a frequent basis and needs to be announced to other
attendees, conflicts with other sessions must be avoided. And that
while the usual every conference stuff happens (e.g. speaker
requesting other slots or inform you about special needs).
-An example for such an ad hoc session would be the one where Debians
-new python policy was drafted. It started with an ad hoc session
+An example for such an ad-hoc session would be the one where Debian's
+new python policy was drafted. It started with an ad-hoc session
visited by 30 Debian Developers. And reached a somehow critical point
right when the room should have been used an other session.
@@ -41,15 +41,15 @@
nearly every session, they streamed them to the outside world so
interested people who couldn't attend DebConf could participate.
-But that lead to a problem: Seeing a hearing a talk is just half of
+But that lead to a problem: Seeing and hearing a talk is just half of
the fun. To truly participate you need a communication channel back
to the audience to ask questions and get involved in discussions.
-That's even more true for ad hoc sessions.
+That's even more true for ad-hoc sessions.
So we had yet an other job: Playing IRC-proxy and forwarding
questions asked for those who couldn't attend. Many of the Debian
folks are familiar with Internet relay chat. So we created some
-special irc-channels for the audience to discuss and ask questions
+special IRC-channels for the audience to discuss and ask questions
which we in turn would ask loudly. Of course it didn't worked
perfect. Sometimes we had technical problems, sometimes during a
heated debate forwarding questions proofed to be quite complicate.
@@ -59,10 +59,10 @@
\medskip
If you read last years report you'll already know most of our attempts
-to make live for our speaker as easy as possible. Measures like
+to make life for our speakers as easy as possible. Measures like
warning signs if they run out of time (neither all rooms had watches
nor does every speaker look at their own) or a new introduced sign
-signaling the speaker to speak slower proofed again very useful.
+signalling the speaker to speak slower proofed again very useful.
But even if last years conference was a big success we thought there
might still be place for improvements. We got the idea that some kind
@@ -79,7 +79,7 @@
-It will be hard to find a way for further improvements for next years
+It will be hard to find a way for further improvements for next year's
DebConf.
\includegraphics[width=7.5cm]{images/photos/tower_session.jpg}
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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsor logos still missing from the website
On 3/28/07, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10972 March 1977, Martín Ferrari wrote: That should be active now. I modified your css to not be only in px dimensions. I hate that, as usually it breaks horribly if you have a slightly larger browser window. Setting "margin-right: 37%;" for "#titleBar " made it look nice(r), even with a 1680pixel wide window, with the pixel setting you had it wrote the white debconf7 somewhere out of the image. Sorry about that, but I've tried to mimic exactly the wiki, and it used pixel based layout most of the time. I used ems in the infobox, which is new, tho. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Resources page
Hi there, I wanted to let you know that I created a page [0] listing all the known resources for DebConfs past and future. Please do tell if there is something missing and/or wrong. To ease the task of keeping pages consistent (now there aren't many), I split the header and footer using server-side includes. Please take that into account when modifying or creating pages in dc.org site. [0] http://debconf.org/resources.shtml -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-announce] DebConf7 - Attendee list - Proceedings - Assassins game
Hi, On 5/24/07, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't it make sense to have three lists? The two you allready have, > and a third one sorted by departure date? Done, you can find it at https://penta.debconf.org/submission/dc7/attendee_dep -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Report again
On 8/25/07, Peter Nuttall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Ferrari's bit is in the present or future tense - am > considering changing it to the past tense. I haven't worked out a good > way to do this, so will ask him about it. Please edit as you see fit, that bit is in fact a blog post of mine. If you want/need I can even write more. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] I'm back
I wanted to say sorry for not being able to attend the meeting, I've been travelling around and sometimes I was offline. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Preparing the press team
Hi Martin, On 10/8/07, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [resend; I have only received two translation offers in two months] > [we especially need people collecting contacts in the local press] I've talked with Beatriz Busaniche and Luciano Rossi, the people of the press team for CafeConf, which has just ended with a huge success, and a very good press coverage -including national newspapers, and international media-. They want to help, so I'll just introduce you and let you talk. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Some ideas for encouraging sponsors
CC'ing -localteam so I don't have to write two emails :) On 10/17/07, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While reviewing possible argentinian sponsors, I realized that what we > give back to sponsors is too little. So I came up with an idea (that > then turned out not to be that original): As a coincidence, two days ago we have a chat with Gunnar about the same lines, and I promised to mail -team, forgot, and now marga reminded me of that :) What we chatted about was the insight Gunnar adquired from YAPC::EU, which he attended in August. The starting point is the same: we realise that we don't give enough to our sponsors for their money. > We could print a short magazine, that includes interesting info about We were thinking of something similar. There is also a small web space we could give to the sponsors in dc8.dc.o so they can put a corporate presentation and the like. > the conf, about Mar del Plata, about Argentina, DebConf schedule, > talks abstracts, etc. And in this magazine include ads from the > sponsors. The size and amount of the adds would depend on how much > the sponsor gave us, but we would still give a nice space to those > that didn't give that much. I think this is a very good idea, that could complement -or even replace- the proceedings we usually print. But knowing that the debian day would not be held in Mar del Plata, maybe another, smaller, piece should be prepared for that, as many sponsors (specially local or small) are likely to be much more interested in reaching people from DebianDay. > Another thing we could give sponsors is encourage them to have a stand > at the DebianDay place, again, this is particularly useful for local > sponsors, since DebianDay attendees are mainly local people. We were discussing this too, also some sponsors could be interested in having a "job fair" to recruit some geeks from the crowd. In CafeConf we've seen a stand from an outsourcing company (based in Buenos Aires) which was there with that intent. Intel came to mind too, with their big development center in Córdoba. Also, we could continue having a few stands during debconf, like we had in dc7 with O'Reilly; which didn't hurt at all. As a final thing, Gunnar suggested forwarding this to some people from YAPC, that maybe can give us some hints. So Gunnar, it's up to you now :) Cheers, Tincho. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes from today's meeting
Hi, On Dec 18, 2007 9:42 AM, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like Marga's suggestion, but as I said in the meeting maybe the money we > > are > > getting for this $10*250 = $2500 is not worth it for all the hassle it'll > > be: > > check everybody has paid, print invoices for some people, how to bill it > > legally, etc > Indeed, the amount of money is not worth the hassle. The suggestion > was only to try to prevent abuses, not to get a considerable sum from > this. Maybe we can think in a scheme where everybody pays a bigger sum (like $100, which saving some exceptions should be reachable by all) and then they get their refund at debconf if they get sponsored lodging+food. That could give us a bigger buffer while we get the sponsor's money and makes people think twice before confirming for debconf. Not having a monetary block makes it all too easy to apply. This obviously has the problem of the money transfers and all that jazz. > > So my suggestion is being stricter about the people who gets sponsored > > lodging > > and food. If the name does not ring a bell (google site:debian.org and get > > some > > useful contribution) just say no, and give this people a week or so to mail > > back > > to the sponsoring team enumerating their contributions to Debian... > * Individual: intended for Students or Freelancers who are active > contributors to Debian, and can't afford to pay the cost of attending > to the conference. Cost: 0 or a small sum. That is a good point (about everybody paying at least a small sum). I am scared of people coming to debconf just because it's free. Even if Mar del Plata is not Buenos Aires, is close enough. > All of this is based on linux.conf.au registration categories > (https://linux.conf.au/register). I have previously said all this and > got a little input. More input is still welcome. +1 > * I intend to do real work during DebCamp. Those that sign up for > this category will be ask to state exactly what they plan to do. > Cost: 0. > * I intend to mainly hang out with other Debianites and socialize > during DebCamp. Cost: 250 USD. +1 -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] my photo on your DebCon8 site
Hola, Como webmaster del sitio de DebConf8, les pido mis más sinceras disculpas por haber utilizado una imagen de su propiedad sin autorización. Dicha imagen me fue remitida junto con otro contenido, que asumí provenía de Wikitravel.org, cuya licencia de uso es flexible. La imagen ha sido removida. Saludos cordiales, Martín Ferrari. Debconf-team: I just apologized for the usage of the image, after removing it from the website. -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Copyright problem with images on dc8 website
Guys, one image you sent me along with the about_mdq page was copyrighted and didn't have a license for us to use it. We have received a complaint and had to remove it. Pretty please, with sugar on top, always check that content that you re-use has permission to do so, and double check the other images and text you sent to me, Thanks, Tincho -- Martín Ferrari ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
