Re: Stus-List Navy 44s being auctioned
Just talked to the guy that works on them. He says those boats are a hull and need everything else. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 10:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Navy 44s being auctioned I don't think the auction boats are a good deal, unless you absolutely wanted one of those particular hulls. The killer for me is the missing winches. By the time you add them back in, the initial purchase price will be around 50K, and there are a lot of project boats in that price range that would require less work to equip and sail. Steve -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 9:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Navy 44s being auctioned The new USCG boats (Leadership 44) are Morris Yachts built. Practical sailor had a nice review while back... The Naval Academy boats up for auction are MK1 with ultra utilitarian interior which I do like... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Nov 2, 2013, at 8:31 AM, "Harry Hallgring" mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com> > wrote: I was moored amongst the new USCG boats this past August in Edgartown. Sturdy looking boats. The cadets love them. Harry Sent from my iPhone 6Beta On Nov 2, 2013, at 8:08, Chuck S mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote: Has the Navy bought new boats? The Coast Guard is buying new Dave Pedrick design to replace their old Bill Luders 44' yawls? I wonder what design the Navy chose? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Aaron Rouhi" mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 10:58:06 PM Subject: Stus-List Navy 44s being auctioned 3 Navy 44s are being auctioned on GSA site: http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ They are gutted but still they'll make a pretty nice project boat... Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Current C&C History
WTF is up with that logo? Also the 30 looks like any generic sport boat and the Redline 41 - with a draft of over 8 feet - won't sell boat 1 to anyone with any cruising ideas at all on the East Coast south of New England. That boat couldn't get within half a mile of my slip. Joe Della Barba Coquina j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:58 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History The logo is a mistake, having Barry Carroll (Barely Careful as he is known) involved is a big mistake. His reputation for just-good-enough work precedes him. I can only assume that logo rights belong to someone else, because changing it is just dumb. On 6 November 2013 16:52, D Harben mailto:sailadventu...@rogers.com> > wrote: m I shared this with a friend who drew the keels and rudder designs of the day ... "they missed my name but thats ok...I know that I was there" Don Don Harben Life C&C 29-1 www.ncyc.ca <http://www.ncyc.ca> North Channel Yacht Club Objective in Lifenot to arrive at death's door softly and gracefully, in a well preserved bodybut to splash in broadside, totally used and spent, screaming, "Wow. What a sail!" On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:49 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com <mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm reading all this on my BlackBerry Z10. I'm getting real depressed! Sam :-) From: Bill Bina Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Reply To: billb...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:billb...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History The new logo is a big mistake. Bill Bina On 11/6/2013 7:12 PM, Leslie Paal wrote: > i read the story, felt very hopeful. Then looked the 30' and I thought, that is NOT the spirit of C&C. I think a capable racer/cruiser would have better market than an other race only design. Time will tell; I wish them the best. > > Leslie > Phoenix, C&C32 > > On Wed, 11/6/13, j...@svpaws.net <mailto:j...@svpaws.net> mailto:j...@svpaws.net> > wrote: > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!!
I think that is very true. Coquina is 40 years old and we have owned her for 36 of those 40 years. Racing and cruising have diverged so much that the market for a 2014 C&C 35 MK I basically does not exist. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality Hey guys, Reality check? We are probably not the best council for the new C&C company. Having sailed for 40 years and owned my present boat for 11 years. If I ever hit the lottery, I still wouldn't buy a new boat. For the same money, I can get twice the boat fully equipped and fitted out w sails and equipment. Just sayin'. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Ron Casciato" mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:02:17 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality John: Thanks, I get it...but they don't have to sell thousands of boats..(Average price will be in the $250K+ range, in my opinion. They do have to build a slick fast competitive boat that any potential J105 or J109 buyer would change his mind for.. In my mind, this is a price to market issuehell, if I were to win the lottery, the first call I'd make is to the new C&C guys...and we'd be off and running; new logo and all. Best, Ron -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net <mailto:j...@svpaws.net> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality Well, I agree with the sentiment if not the content. > Sabre...priced one of them lately. Actually... Yes (although they are no longer making sailboats). In fact I sold a 386 to return to C&C, albeit of the Tartan vintage. I don't regret the decision for a minute. I believe there are several "list lurkers" that might surprise you. I very much liked the exterior of the redline 41 and were it not for my 121 which I am in love with I would likely be giving them a call. The interior needs to be reworked but I believe he mentioned other designs. I wish them well. Like many on this list I just think they are fighting an uphill battle with the 30. They may well prove me the idiot I am and end up selling thousands of boats. I hope they do. If I had a choice, I would prefer to see a return to what Tartan did originally with the 110/121 - a really good performance cruiser. Of course, if I was in the majority Tartan never would have sold the band. As I recall, the comment in 1999 was that the boat needed a C&C logo on the shower door to prove it was a C&C. Nope, not a lot of love from the Niagara crowd. So yes, we probably all should be a bit more open minded. In a few years, we may well find a few generation next C&C's on this list. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "Ron Casciato" <mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > To the group... > > Just some thoughts to bring the conversation down to today's reality > check.. I would advance that most of the listers in this group who > own C&C boats actually own boats older than 1990...Maybe a few in > the early 90's. virtually none of us own anything that competes with > new models of racer cruiser boats today. > > I own one of the Bruckman C&C's built in 1977. It's a 38MKIIC and was built > as a custom boat for someone in Chicago to race in the Mac races.. I > have completely refinished her to better than new condition and we race her > weekly in the local PHRF series. > > That makes her over 46 years old and I wouldn't give her up for any amount. > And yes, I would love to see those lines continued in to the future, it's a > great boat, but the reality is that you can't make a current business on > those older boat's designs I admire Will's courage and intent on > keeping the "marque" but really, not one of us is a potential customer of > the new boats of any brand in today's market at today's new boat > prices...Incidentally, most of us are too old to think about making that > kind of investment in a new 30' or 40' boat. I'm sure that Will gets it, he > needs to create a boat that sells into today's active sailor market, and > that ain't many of us by comparison. Tod
Stus-List Downhill both ways
Beam reaching to Queenstown for pizza and it will be a beam reach back :). Sometimes November is really nice for sailing. Coquina Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery charger recommendations?
I have the old TruCharge 20 amp unit. Works fine. Not the same company really as the new ones Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "Jake Brodersen" wrote: > Curtis, > > I have a Xantrex 20+. It charges two batteries and has remote monitoring and > a battery temperature sensor. Mine has been in continuous use for just over > 12 years with no issues. The newer ones may be different. > > Jake > > Jake Brodersen > “Midnight Mistress” > C&C 35 Mk-III > Hampton Va > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 3:27 PM > To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Battery charger recommendations? > > > I want to replace the OEM battery charger on the East Coast Lady. I keep 2 12 > volt Auto-zone marine deep cycle battery's. > Ant recommendations on a charger or charging system. I am a weekend sailor > that will move to cursing full time in the spring of 2018. > Thanks. > > Capt, Curt > > -- > “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should > really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
My family has lived in the Little Compton/Westport area for ages. I like the Westport River. You have a fun island in the entrance to dinghy over to and some really nice ocean beaches. Can’t say how easy it is to get a mooring or a slip right now. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
Do you REALLY want to see how I mount a bikini? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:56 PM, coltrek wrote: > Lotta ammo there. This is what we live for. > Thanks Edd. > > Wild Bill > > Original message > From: Pete Shelquist > Date:01/04/2014 2:02 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting > > This is the best entry to this list… ever. > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd > Schillay > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting > > > > Listers, > > > > I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here > have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I > took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put > it on again. > > > > > All the best, > > > > Edd > > > > > > Edd M. Schillay > > Starship Enterprise > > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > > City Island, NY > > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > > > > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Atomic 4
The Farmall engine does not have a common bore and stroke with the A4, so the pistons and rings would not work. Likewise the connecting rods. I have also had people *swear* the A4 is an old Jeep engine or has many common parts with one when the Jeep engine is utterly unrelated. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 4:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Not too sure about this. While I agree that the A4 was never used in a tractor, the farmall engines do have a lot of common parts with the A4. If memory servers me right (and this comes from way,way back) the pistons, rings, connecting rods and bearings were all shared with both designs. I know we used a lot of those parts when we rebuilt one in the mid 80s, the dark ages. I don't want anybody to buy parts based on my memory, so please check the specs! James S/V Delaney 1976 C&C 38 Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: Dennis C. <mailto:capt...@yahoo.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 The A4 has no common parts with a tractor with one exception. There is a “land” version of the carb that can be found for cheap and was used on a lot of industrial equipment. It is quite dangerous on a boat because instead of a scavenging tube to suck extra fuel back into the engine, it has a drain to let it run out of the bottom of the carb. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 And there may be parts and support here: http://www.farmallcub.com/dcms/ Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA _ From: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> " mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 One more thing for A4 or potential A4 owners: The A4 has kind of turned into an “open source” project. You can now build an A4 that is vastly better than the original stock engine. Moyer Marine (http://www.moyermarine.com <http://www.moyermarine.com/> ) and Indigo (www.atomic4.com <http://www.atomic4.com/> ) have any number of modifications and accessories that did not exist years ago. The A4 is arguably much better supported now than it was 20 years ago. There was kind of a “dark age” of A4s where Universal quit making them, the aftermarket was not yet mature, and most shops would do a ½-A55 job of fixing them at best and tell you to buy a new diesel. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel tank
Nah – you T the fuel return to the vent line. You need the hot fuel to dump back in the tank, not recycle right back to the engine. As for the returns on multiple tanks , I read about a guy delivering a Viking motoryacht that looked aft and saw a trail of fuel. Some research into the fuel valves showed fuel from A going to B when B was full already. Some airplanes do this too. If you don’t use the tanks in the correct order you will be venting a lot of $6/gal fuel over the side. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank > Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before > the filter? IIRC that is not a good idea. Many diesel engines return more fuel than they use. Some of the extra fuel is used for cooling the injectors. I have a vague memory of a story regarding having two fuel tanks and one fuel return line. The result was one empty tank and one over filled. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 5:52 PM To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank Has anyone tried teeing the fuel return line into the fuel feed line before the filter? Just wondering?? Rich On Feb 10, 2014, at 20:03, "Peter Fell" mailto:prf...@gmail.com> > wrote: There is a kit you buy that provides the return line fitting on the flange of the fuel sending unit I think they only sell it with the sending unit included: http://ca.binnacle.com/p6463/MOELLER-%2335724-10-DIESEL-RETURN-KIT/product_info.html If you can’t get the flange and return fitting separately, I’d just put the other sending unit up for sale on craigslist. Someone out there needs a new sending unit. Check out the Moeller site for more info. <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Navigation Software
I use OpenCPN on my laptop and Navionics on my iPhone. Both work quite well IMHO. SeaClear is also a good choice for real old low power laptops. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Starting a diesel
IIRC, WD-40 changed to a non or much less flammable formula than before. The old Westerbeake 4-107 in our old wood ketch fired right up in 30 degree weather when I was a kid. I think it had a heater in the air intake. My diesel Mercedes was a biatch and a half to start in cold weather when the glowplugs got fouled. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of schiller Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:26 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a diesel WD40 works like a charm for my balky chainsaws. My father taught that many years ago. I have a Mac chainsaw that needs several shots to warm it up enough that it will take off on its own. Have never tried it with a diesel though. Neil Schiller 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (C&C 35, Mark I) "Corsair" Ready for launch in Beautiful South Haven, Michigan (Friday launch) On 5/17/2013 5:54 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: I have heard this remedy many times as well, and I always kept a can of WD-40 on the boat for an emergency. Then one time I actually tried it , several ways with fuel off, pump off, etc, couldn't even get a dry fart out of my 107 Perkins. That was it, the can came off the boat and up the hill. I don't know anyone who has actually gotten this "Miracle Juice" to work for engine starting, I would be curious to hear if anyone else has? I believe it is mostly Stoddard Solvent - Bill Coleman C&C 39 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting a diesel Shoot a 1/2 sec burst of WD40 it will kick off. On 5/17/13, Robert Gallagher <mailto:trys...@gmail.com> wrote: For a few days I was sure the three position toggle on the yanmar control panel was for the glow plugs on my new (to me) yanmar 2gm20f. I would flip that toggle switch for 30 seconds and she would fire right up. As I moved the boat further north from Annapolis to Mystic the spring mornings got colder and I started to think I might need new glow plugs..that's when I figured it out ..lol OK...I gotta ask. I have a 1981 3QM30. Purrs like a kitten. No glow plug. Start up cold just fine. Just a few more cranks. Before this engine I thought all diesels had glow plugs. What gives? David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for
On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from NW. Entrance bar was breaking. Joe coquina Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: > Yep, halfway. That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so > far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for the > screwpile race. > > My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour. A real nice place, just no town > to speak of. > > What type of place do the list members look for? Just a place to raft up and > maybe do a little lap around the cans? Or a bigger town with amenities and > things to do and see? > > The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from > Beacon and Spring Cove. They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area. > > Josh > > -- > When security matters. > http://www.secure-my-email.com > > On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S" wrote: >> Interesting. Just checked the charts. Solomans is halfway down the bay. >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Atlantic City, NJ >> From: "Josh Muckley" >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:21:10 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27 >> >> Around Solomons? Fine. We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and Mill >> creek. I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina >> or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina. Both anchorages provide >> relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas. The public >> pier has a free pump out with public restrooms. I could research more about >> dingy piers if there is more interest. >> >> Josh >> >> >> -- >> When security matters. >> http://www.secure-my-email.com >> >> On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S" wrote: >>> How's the draft around there? >>> >>> Chuck >>> Resolute >>> 1990 C&C 34R >>> Atlantic City, NJ >>> From: "Josh Muckley" >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC 7-27 >>> >>> Might I suggest Solomons? It would facilitate participation from members >>> throughout the Bay area. Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of the >>> area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities. Great >>> walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent >>> restaurants... Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar! >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>> >>> -- >>> When security matters. >>> http://www.secure-my-email.com >>> >>> On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" wrote: >>>> I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up there – >>>> I’ll let you know as soon as it is up. >>>> >>>> We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come – racing >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Della Barba >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick >>>> Brass >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recall the conversation about a get together at the Annapolis Sailboat >>>> Show in October. But I can’t recall if any details were ever firmed up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But Joe Della Barba invited us all to the annual regatta at this club on >>>> the Corsica River (Eastern Shore across from Baltimore/Annapolis). With so >>>> many of us in the middle and upper Chesapeake, it could be a really nice >>>> get-together. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’m going to be the bay for a while this summer and am arranging my >>>> schedule to do the Baltimore Light race >>>> http://www.cbyra.org/RaceInfo/2012/206/20120728%20-%20206%20-%20CRYC%20Annual%20Race%20Over-NOR_GSI-20120307a%20-%20FINAL.pdf >>>> and the get together at the CRYC Annual Regatta over the weekend of July >>>> 26-28
Re: Stus-List On my way. Careful what you wish for
Hope your headed south! Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Joel Aronson wrote: > Ill be headed out of Chesapeake harbour arond 2:00. > > Joel > The Office > > > On May 25, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Joe Della Barba wrote: > >> On way to Annapolis. Almost could not get out of marina. Gusts 25-30 from >> NW. Entrance bar was breaking. Joe coquina >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Josh Muckley wrote: >> >>> Yep, halfway. That way guys like Jake wouldn't have to travel so >>> far...assuming he would want to make that trip more than once a year for >>> the screwpile race. >>> >>> My wife also suggested Harrington Harbour. A real nice place, just no town >>> to speak of. >>> >>> What type of place do the list members look for? Just a place to raft up >>> and maybe do a little lap around the cans? Or a bigger town with amenities >>> and things to do and see? >>> >>> The Holiday Inn in Solomons is also right on Back creek just up stream from >>> Beacon and Spring Cove. They have a pretty swank pool and court yard area. >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> -- >>> When security matters. >>> http://www.secure-my-email.com >>> >>> On May 24, 2013 10:40 PM, "Chuck S" wrote: >>>> Interesting. Just checked the charts. Solomans is halfway down the bay. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> Resolute >>>> 1990 C&C 34R >>>> Atlantic City, NJ >>>> From: "Josh Muckley" >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:21:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC >>>> 7-27 >>>> >>>> Around Solomons? Fine. We have lots of 10+ depths up Back creek and Mill >>>> creek. I would suggest the anchorage between Zahniser's and Beacon marina >>>> or the anchorage just past Harbor Island Marina. Both anchorages provide >>>> relatively quick access to the town and most of the marinas. The public >>>> pier has a free pump out with public restrooms. I could research more >>>> about dingy piers if there is more interest. >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> When security matters. >>>> http://www.secure-my-email.com >>>> >>>> On May 24, 2013 5:06 PM, "Chuck S" wrote: >>>>> How's the draft around there? >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> Resolute >>>>> 1990 C&C 34R >>>>> Atlantic City, NJ >>>>> From: "Josh Muckley" >>>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:32:07 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Rendezvous - Weekend with Joe at CRYC >>>>> 7-27 >>>>> >>>>> Might I suggest Solomons? It would facilitate participation from members >>>>> throughout the Bay area. Lots of anchorages and gunkholes and many of >>>>> the area marinas only charge a small fee for use of their facilities. >>>>> Great walking town with groceries, West Marine, and some pretty decent >>>>> restaurants... Don't forget the world famous Tiki Bar! >>>>> >>>>> Josh Muckley >>>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>>> Solomons, MD >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> When security matters. >>>>> http://www.secure-my-email.com >>>>> >>>>> On May 23, 2013 9:57 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I am fighting with our CRYC webmistress to get actual 2013 data up there >>>>>> – I’ll let you know as soon as it is up. >>>>>> >>>>>> We do welcome anyone that wants to buy our chicken dinner to come – >>>>>> racing or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe Della Barba >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick >>>>>> Brass >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:34 AM >>>>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>>>> Subject: Re:
Stus-List Cryc regatta Che's bay
CRYC has finally got all the info and forms up for the regatta and party. We will take provisional and out of region phrf. Anchored in the Corsica all week if anyone wants to visit. Watching the kids in the 420s and aiming the solar panel for best charge rate right now :) Joe DB Coquina. www.cryc.org Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Harry Hallgring wrote: > Steve Sharkey, > Are you still at NEB? > > Harry > MIRAGE > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 03:27 PM, Steve Sharkey wrote: > >> No problem. The last boat in our class that actually finished didn't get in >> until early today and had previously been shown as a DNF. A pretty high >> mortality rate in this race with a lot a gear failure and sail damage. >> Luckily my boat did well and aside from my 30-year old datamarine depth >> sounder nothing broke. >> >> Steve Sharkey > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winch Handles
To balance the karma, I got 2 good winch handles from the dumpster in Annapolis. They were on top just waiting to find a good home. Joe. Coquina. (Right now charging batteries and watching the 420s) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote: > Yup, locking handles stay put. > > Saturday during a short fun race with some inexperienced crew a sheet wrapped > around one of Calypso's classic Barient winch handles. I was grinding in the > light #1 and facing aft (standing over the Barient #36 primary). The load > seemed higher than usual but I attributed that to the poor performance of the > tailer and the less than stellar leeward sheet release. > > When something went BANG in that way that says big $$$ will be needed I > turned around to look for the source. The sheet wrapped around the winch > handle pulled up with enough force to pull the main shaft 1/2 way out of the > Barient #32 secondary winch. I still don't know why the non-racer crew that > was looking right at it did not speak up but that's what you get when racing > with newbies. > > The good news is the shaft and handle stayed in the winch (not overboard) and > I was able to make repairs after the race without donor parts. > > Martin > Calypso > 1970 C&C 43 > Seattle > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:49 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Winch Handles > > Winch handles without locking cams should be labelled - "Caution, this handle > is headed for the bottom of the bay - It's only a matter of time". > > Saturday it went into 400 ft of water. When a loop from a reef line plucked > it off the cabintop main winch and gracefully flipped it into the water was > almost like slow motion - nothing you can do about it, but watch. > > Oh well, it was destined for the bottom on the day it was made, now I get to > buy one with a locking cam. > > Have a great day. > > > Steve Hood > S/V Diamond Girl > C&C 34 > Lions Head ON > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List ICOM radio charging station
They are on Ebay. I might have a spare. Joe. Coquina Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Richard Walter wrote: > Greetings, > > We have an Icom IC-M1V handheld radio...and for the life of me canNOT find > the charger. Any ideas how to get a rea$onable replacement? Does anyone know > if Icom makes a current product that our IC-M1V will fit? That way we can > charge both with the same charger. > > Thank you, > Richard > s/v INDIGO > 1978 36-foot > Watch Hill > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LED cabin lights
Also - FYI - switching regulators can make a lot of RF noise. I have on bulb that I can hear quite clearly on the SSB. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List LED cabin lights Beware that the LEDs, especially when used with PWM dimmers will create flicker. Most often that flicker is not noticeable, but it exists and it does affect the eyes. How this affects you would of course depend on the application. But reading may not be the best. The opposite end of the spectrum would be using dimmed lights for the cabin lighting when you are sailing at night (it won't affect you at all at the helm). Marek ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I have seen people use $50 propane camping stoves to replace 2 burner alky stoves. It is safe with appropriate precautions. I have a CNG 4 burner stove and oven. I absolutely LOVE it except the fuel is getting harder to find and is quite expensive. Until the last kitchen remodel it was better than the stove in my house. We also got good use out of a 1 burner Sea-Swing offshore. Nothing beats that for extreme weather cooking. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk
I have sailed Annapolis to Bermuda 3 times. Bermuda is *AN* island, not a chain of islands. It is very different from the any other islands you will go to. Far from being 3rd world, Bermuda is very 1st world. The beaches and water are fantastic. Sailing can be great, but not a lot of people sail place-to-place once they get there. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk I've never sailed Bermuda, but I've sailed the BVI's and the Bahamas. I prefer the BVI's for the sailing and the destinations. What's Bermuda like compared to the BVI's? Wind? Destinations? Is it one island or are there lots of places to go? sam :-) 403-617-6280 From: Colin Kilgour Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk Rick, I've sailed to or from Bermuda 8 times and have spent quite a bit of time on the island over the years. I recommend you and everyong sail down there and enjoy it. Cheers Colin On 6/30/13, Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > I plan to go north to the Chesapeake by way of Bermuda next summer. I was > there in June of 2010, and like you, I spent most of the 36 hours between > the arrival of the boat and my departing flight on boat cleaning, etc. I > only had a couple of hours to play tourist and felt cheated, Bermuda is the > lushest, greenest, friendliest place I've been in over 30 years of > traveling. I definitely want to go back and put in some "tourist" time. > > > > > > Rick Brass > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel > Aronson > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:38 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk > > > > Fred, > > I was only there for about 20 hours and spent 18 on the boat getting it > ready or sleeping. I liked what little I saw. Even the Customs agents > were > friendly. > > We were at the Dinghy Club by ourselves, as the 1-2 racers had left that > morning. > > Joel > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net> > > wrote: > > How did you like St George's? Were you at the Dinghy Club, or just > anchored > out? And BTW, yes the food at Wahoo is good. > > > > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > I thought it was a complement! :) > > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > > > > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List On way to Annapolis
Weather is STILL in daily rain tropical mode :( Joe Coquina ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Emergency Tiller for C&C 34
The 35 tiller is not too bad. I used to use it in the rain to steer from under the dodger. It could stand to be a foot longerJoe Coquina Anchored Weems Creek Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Burton wrote: > On my way north from Bermuda to Halifax one April with a C&C designed Baltic > 51, our steering cable broke during the second of the three gales we had that > passage. Couldn't fix it so we had to steer using the emergency tiller. As > with our boats, the lever arm was small but we rigged tackles and balanced > the boat out so we could still do one-person watches for three hours each. It > was tedious steering, but we still made it in 6 days. > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > (Currently anchored in Vineyard Haven on our first little cruise) > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > On Jul 5, 2013, at 20:53, "Rick Brass" wrote: > >> I can tell you how the tiller attaches on my 38, and I would say the phrase >> "difficult to steer" would be an understatement. >> >> The emergency tiller for my 38 is an aluminum tube bent into roughly the >> shape of a capital L about 4 feet long, with a collar on the end of the >> short leg that has a square hole in it. The centerline of the hole is >> roughly parallel to the long part of the L, and the square hole fits over >> the square lug protruding into the cockpit from the end of the rudder shaft. >> The short leg of the L is sized to fit between the rudder shaft and the >> steering pedestal (works best with the useless wheel removed from the >> pedestal). You then push/pull on the vertical/long leg of the L to steer the >> boat. >> >> Since the lever arm is at best 2 feet long, the steering effort is really >> high. It will work when sailing with the boat pretty well balanced, and >> under power at idle speeds - but I think the prop wash at higher engine >> speeds will just overwhelm the steering. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> >> Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian >> Morrison >> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 6:25 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Emergency Tiller for C&C 34 >> >> I tried to connect my emergency tiller yesterday. I have the piece that >> attaches to the rudder. But there seems to be another piece that attaches to >> that. Does anyone know how the emergency tiller works? Is there in fact >> another piece? If so does anyone know where I can get it? If not how does >> the one piece work? It was very difficult to steer the boat. >> >> Brian C. Morrison >> Rekofa >> 1979 C&C 34 >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List inflatable repairs - Porta-Bote
I love my Avon RIB, but if I go offshore I'll need to get something like that. I do not want to tow a dinghy in the ocean. It gets scary with any big waves behind you - the dinghy tries to pass you. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MKI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 8:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List inflatable repairs - Porta-Bote I have an 8.5 foot Porta-Bote. It planes with a 3.5 hp motor with two adults aboard. It is a dry ride compared to an inflatable. It weighs 60 pounds, and I hand launch and retrieve it over the side. I can unfold it or fold it on my C&C 27 foredeck. When folded, It is like having a 9 foot surfboard lashed to my lifelines. New, it cost less than half what a comparable inflatable would run, and didn't require a big heavy, expensive motor to push it. It also rows very well, like a hard dinghy, tracks straight, and tows as if it isn't there. I have dragged it over broken glass, sharp rocks and rusty metal scrap without any damage. I can climb into it from the water as it is very stable. Bottom line is that I would never buy another inflatable. I'll also never need to buy any new dinghy as this one will no doubt outlive me. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC0.Xportabo te.TRS0 <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC0.Xportab ote.TRS0&_nkw=portabote&_sacat=0&_from=R40> &_nkw=portabote&_sacat=0&_from=R40 http://www.porta-bote.com/index.php Bill Bina On 7/7/2013 8:37 AM, Sylvain Laplante wrote: Hi, Looks like this is the weak point for the AX-series ( old red Bombard, if this is what you have ). They are made of PVC-Strongan . Mine has same problem, I took it to a repair shop last week : 350.00 to reglue a good part of the transom, fix 2 holes, re-glue one of the "cups" that hold the surrounding rope ( hand-hold ) 650.00 same repairs but he replaces the transom ( inspect yours, often they are rotten in the lower corners/joints because of water intrusion ), new transom would be made of Russian plywood, supposedly the best. I am thinking about buying a cheap new one ( most are made in China ) but after seing several in like-new condition in his shop that all need to be re-glued I am not sure what to do.. Still thinking. If you want to repair it youeself, here is what you need: https://www.blyacht.com/inflatable/entretien-reparation/glue-for-pvc-stronga n-zodiac-in-25cc-tube.html Before you have to clean it well with MEK ( NOT acetone ). I also learned from the shop manager that THE best product to protect everything vinyl/rubber/plastic is 303 ( aerospace protector ), he showed me a 25 years-old inflatable which is treated with this product and it still looks like new ( and much easier to apply than StarBrite and other products ). Sylvain C&C27MkIII _ From: John McKay <mailto:jmckay...@yahoo.ca> To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:27 PM Subject: Stus-List inflatable repairs I have a Bombard inflatable (a Zodiac product) and one of the pontoons has separated from the transom. Has anyone made this repair? Specifically what adhesive did you use? John on Oxygen ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Leaving for CRYC now
See you all up there! Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com COQUINA ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Leaving for CRYC now
Light air now. Forecast is for wind from south Saturday. The old wooden buy-boat that is one of our ex boats just passed me Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Joe Della Barba" wrote: > See you all up there! > > Joe Della Barba > j...@dellabarba.com > > > COQUINA > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Leaving for CRYC now
Dang spell check. RC boat, not ex boat Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: > Light air now. Forecast is for wind from south Saturday. The old wooden > buy-boat that is one of our ex boats just passed me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Joe Della Barba" wrote: > >> See you all up there! >> >> Joe Della Barba >> j...@dellabarba.com >> >> >> COQUINA >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 34
A 34 would not be my first choice for that trip. I would rather have a Landfall or 30 Mk I . There is a stability chart for C&Cs someplace. My old 35 is 126 degrees and having been laid over by 20 foot breakers I would not want less. Ymmv and IMHO.Joe. Coquina ( anchored in Annapolis) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Dennis C." wrote: > Ah, men and their dreams. A couple months after I bought my first monohull, > an O'Day 27 with an inboard AT4, an article came out in a regional sailing > magazine about a guy who had bought a sistership but with an outboard. He > was going to sail it to some Scandinavian country. He left Mandeville, > sailed into a storm off the Mississippi coast, battled the weather for 20 or > 30 hours and finally washed up on the Chandeleur Islands off the Louisiana > coast. The magazine showed a picture of the boat on its side well above the > surf line. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > From: Edd Schillay > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 34 > > Brent, > > I know people have made trips across the ocean in rowboats, but I can't > express enough how much I agree with John and Maryann. As someone who owned a > 1978 C&C34 for many, many years (it was the Enterprise-A), we got to know the > strengths, weaknesses and limitations of the boat very well. > > Over the course of our ownership, we took her a few times on the Around > Long Island Regatta, the first half of which is run on the ocean-side of > Long Island. As John and Maryann state, in light air and a little chop, the > C&C34 will move like a dream. In heavy air and high waves, you'll actually > hear the hull "crunching" under the stress. In one of those races, we were up > against 18-25 winds with 9-foot waves and, after a few miles, we all thought > it would be safest to turn around. We call that one the 5% Around Long Island > Regatta. > > I have almost 40 years of sailing experience. I would not want to do > any ocean voyages on a C&C34. > > > All the best, > > Edd > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO
I have thought of this - I can buy ANOTHER C&C 35 with a diesel, newish sails, and newish interior for less than I can do that to my boat. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:04 PM To: 'Richard Walter'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO Any reason why you wouldn't just buy the 2nd boat, rename her Indigo, and sell your current boat for $10-12k? Seems a lot easier to switch stuff from the current Indigo to a better boat than to go through the hassles and cost of rebuilding two boats. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard Walter Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO Greetings, Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear, particularly the rigging. We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However, the available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails, etc. There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it feasible to buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear (that we're preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second boat and either part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this work for us. Anybody wanna free boat? Richard s/v INDIGO 1978 36-foot Watch Hill ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List self-cleaning shaft
I had a diver give me a scrub before Labor Day. He said the good news was my shaft was spotless. The bad news was the reason - the zinc was loose and evidently every forward-reverse shift slid it back and forth and scrubbed all the growth off! Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Pearson 35
Someone on here new someone interested in a P-35. I got some details and photos from the owner. http://www.dellabarba.com/pearson35/ Not a C&Cbut not bad for $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I Currently not employed and not paid - time to go sailing! ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Raymarine ST4000 autopilot problem
Mine has an issue where it randomly releases :( I "fixed" it with a bungee, but does anyone know what part is causing this? I have fixed the opposite issue where it won't work because the drive pin shears about 5 times from buying the thing in 1989 to now. BTW - do not EVER let all the plastic gears come apart. It is about 20 times harder than a Rubik's Cube to get them back in correctly. Raytheon ended up fixing it for me on the condition I never ever call them or send them any parts of the autopilot again. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List C&C 30 in GOR
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/gor/GOR.html I added some old stuff I found about Puffin, a C&C 30, in the Great Ocean Race and Lady Jane burning in the same race. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
The 35 MK I is pretty easy to sail singlehanded. You can reach the jib sheets from the helm and let the traveler down the track from the helm. I am looking into putting a 6:1 mainsheet on so I can do everything from the wheel if need be. That said, the boat is usually steered by Otto and I am in the forward cockpit a lot. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 34R hull
Owning an old 35 MK I, I wouldn't say the old boats were indestructible tanks like an Out Island. The build weight of a 35 was supposed to be 10,500 pounds, which was kind of light for a 35 foot boat back in the day. I will say the boat has held up for 40 years of now of some very heavy use, so obviously the boat is strong enough. The hull does work in a heavy sea - unlike many newer boats a lot of the internal structure is kind of floating in the liner and doesn't really reinforce the boat. The keel attachment with the stub keel the lead bolts to IS a lot better than a lot of newer boats. It isn't as fast though as a narrow piece of lead bolted straight to the hull. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:02 AM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull Hi Chuck, The schedule was different for the 37+ (& XL). The XL was built with the 37+ schedule unless you specifically ordered the R schedule. For example, I have the build file for hull #72 and the sales order shows the owner paid $4,000.00 extra for the "37R Laminate Hull & Deck" in his build. Don't forget the laminate wasn't just "1 oz chop and 1 oz mat", it also had two layers of C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat, one layer inside the balsa and one out above the waterline. Below the waterline the layup was one layer 1 oz. chop, one layer 1 oz. mat and one layer of C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat outside the balsa and one layer of C72K/100 Fabmat inside. This Fabmat is much heavier than the 1 oz. chop and 1 oz. mat at about 2.47 oz. for the C72K/100 and 4.94 oz. for the C77K/200. The layup was much heavier at the turn of the bilge across the (almost) flat bottom of the hull to the keel sump as an additional two layers of C77/200 Kevlar Fabmat were added and further, in the keel sump, the balsa was replaced with two layers of Compositex. Ken H. On 11 October 2013 08:41, Chuck S mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote: Ken, That's interesting. 1 oz chop and 1 oz mat seem ridiculously light. Doesn't say how many layers of each? Was the schedule different for the plus? the XL? FWIW, I'm holding the 4" circle I cut from the deck when I installed solar fans on my 34R. The piece measures 1/32 shy of 1" thick, and I can see the many layers of glass, with two separate layers of kevlar with their yellow fuzzy ends. The balsa is 3/4", outer glass layer w gel coat is 5/32", and interior layer is 3/32" thick approximately. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Ken Heaton" mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:08:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull >From the factory drawings, the Laminate Schedule for the 1990 C&C 37 R was: C&C 37R Laminate, Hydrex resin used for the entire laminate. Topsides (total thickness 1.16") 1. Gelcoat 2. 1.0 oz. Chop 3. 1.0 oz. Mat 4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat 5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat Bottom (total thickness 1.20") 1. Gelcoat 2. 1.0 oz. Chop 3. 1.0 oz. Mat 4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat 5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat I imagine the 34R would have bee about the same. The 37+ was a bit thicker, both topsides and bottom. Ken H. On 10 October 2013 16:40, Robert Abbott mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote: I always thought the 34R hull was made from kevlar.am I wrong? Bob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/10/10 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: 34R was made by a completely different company than the 99. I believe was also not epoxy. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. Mike The new hulls are stiff but they hole through a lot easier than the hull of an older C&C which has solid glass reinforced polyester...Once saw a power boat in slow reverse with the ss swim ladder supports pointing aft...go too close to a 34R and there was a hole through the hull...rather easy to puncture I thought On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> > wrote: Curtis Not really sure how the hulls are weaker. They are not made with solid polyester based resin layup though. The C&C 99 is laid up using Epoxy not polyester so in many respects could be considered stronger .. Or if not stronger than certainly lighter for the equivalent amount of strength? Speaking of Beneteaus. The Beneteau 367 sails well for racing and has a huge interior for entertaining or cruising. Is priced
Re: Stus-List 34R hull
Didn't say I *liked them*, just that if any boat was ever built to hit things, that one would be it! Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: Andrew Burton [mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:02 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull Joe after beating an old Out House 41 with a busted engine up the Chesapeake for 65 hours, tacking through 120+ degrees and making a ton of leeway, I know which boat I'd rather sail. Those OI 41s are like Cadillacs; they looked good coming off the showroom floor, but boy did they go downhill fast and start looking like hell in a hurry! I can't believe anyone has a soft spot in their heart for them, but some people do. I'll stick with my beautiful C&C that sails like a witch, thank you! Andy C&C 40 Peregrine On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Joe Della Barba mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> > wrote: Owning an old 35 MK I, I wouldn't say the old boats were indestructible tanks like an Out Island. The build weight of a 35 was supposed to be 10,500 pounds, which was kind of light for a 35 foot boat back in the day. I will say the boat has held up for 40 years of now of some very heavy use, so obviously the boat is strong enough. The hull does work in a heavy sea - unlike many newer boats a lot of the internal structure is kind of floating in the liner and doesn't really reinforce the boat. The keel attachment with the stub keel the lead bolts to IS a lot better than a lot of newer boats. It isn't as fast though as a narrow piece of lead bolted straight to the hull. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:02 AM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull Hi Chuck, The schedule was different for the 37+ (& XL). The XL was built with the 37+ schedule unless you specifically ordered the R schedule. For example, I have the build file for hull #72 and the sales order shows the owner paid $4,000.00 extra for the "37R Laminate Hull & Deck" in his build. Don't forget the laminate wasn't just "1 oz chop and 1 oz mat", it also had two layers of C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat, one layer inside the balsa and one out above the waterline. Below the waterline the layup was one layer 1 oz. chop, one layer 1 oz. mat and one layer of C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat outside the balsa and one layer of C72K/100 Fabmat inside. This Fabmat is much heavier than the 1 oz. chop and 1 oz. mat at about 2.47 oz. for the C72K/100 and 4.94 oz. for the C77K/200. The layup was much heavier at the turn of the bilge across the (almost) flat bottom of the hull to the keel sump as an additional two layers of C77/200 Kevlar Fabmat were added and further, in the keel sump, the balsa was replaced with two layers of Compositex. Ken H. On 11 October 2013 08:41, Chuck S mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote: Ken, That's interesting. 1 oz chop and 1 oz mat seem ridiculously light. Doesn't say how many layers of each? Was the schedule different for the plus? the XL? FWIW, I'm holding the 4" circle I cut from the deck when I installed solar fans on my 34R. The piece measures 1/32 shy of 1" thick, and I can see the many layers of glass, with two separate layers of kevlar with their yellow fuzzy ends. The balsa is 3/4", outer glass layer w gel coat is 5/32", and interior layer is 3/32" thick approximately. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Ken Heaton" mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:08:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull >From the factory drawings, the Laminate Schedule for the 1990 C&C 37 R was: C&C 37R Laminate, Hydrex resin used for the entire laminate. Topsides (total thickness 1.16") 1. Gelcoat 2. 1.0 oz. Chop 3. 1.0 oz. Mat 4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat 5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat Bottom (total thickness 1.20") 1. Gelcoat 2. 1.0 oz. Chop 3. 1.0 oz. Mat 4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat 5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat I imagine the 34R would have bee about the same. The 37+ was a bit thicker, both topsides and bottom. Ken H. On 10 October 2013 16:40, Robert Abbott mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote: I always thought the 34R hull was made from kevlar.am I wrong? Bob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/10/10 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: 34R was made by a completely different company than the 99. I believe was also not epoxy. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun
Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show
By that definition a LOT of "C&Cs" are not really C&Cs. Mine still is though - and she is on sale for only one million.I mean one BILLION dollars! Expensive, sure! But what price is too much for the real thing ;) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:41 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show We just got back last night. The show was fun. saw a lot of boats. it was a bit soggy but warm enough that it didn't matter much. I bet the rain gear people made a killing! We headed home Monday morning so, we missed all the good weather. I met the C&C guys. The one I talked to was kind of a tool. He was saying, "they haven't made any C&Cs in a long time..." I mean, I know Tartan was making them but, are they not still C&Cs if built under that name? With that reasoning, the new plant isn't making C&Cs either, right? I have to say, of all the boat representatives we spoke to, That guy gets biggest douche award! I'd have loved to have seen one of the C&C/Tartan 115s but there were none to be seen. I guess all those boats are going to continue as Tartans now... What a great little town too! it did remind me of Newport. We ate tons of crab! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Monty Schumpert mailto:jmschump...@verizon.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:37:29 -0400 Hey Chuck & Joel, I've been to the show but would be glad to meet you for a pain killer Pussers at the end of the show Monday. I'm about 10-15 minutes away. 703-625-5488 (cell) Monty Scandia 1991 C&C 34+ Annapolis, MD On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Chuck S mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote: Hey Joel, I just put your cell number in my phone. I'll call you and we'll meetup when the show ends? Maybe at 4 or 5pm. Mariott, unless you have a better idea. I'm open to meeting other listers, if interested. My cell is 609-703-0790 Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Joel Aronson" mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:20:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show Chuck, The rain did not keep the crowds away. The vendors I spoke to were happy with the traffic yesterday and today. I should be around Monday. I'm only about 10 minutes away (plus time to find a parking space!) Joel 202-213-7511 cell On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Chuck S mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote: I hope to get to the Annapolis show Monday, when it's drier, but it will probably be the most crowded due to the rainy stuff going on now. Don't expect to board any boats either, though I love the atmosphere and seeing the different designs. I study all the neat details of the better designs for runners, backstays, folding footbraces, cockpit stuff, and I'll be shopping for a few parts as well. I may stay late and enjoy a pain killer and watch the take down after the show from the Mariott if anyone's around there? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "Joel Aronson" mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 2:38:58 PM Subject: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show I spent a couple hours at a very soggy boat show today. There was no sign of the C&C guys, and they were not listed as exhibitors. The C&C 101 is now the Tartan 101. Sailing anarchy has a drawing of a new C&C 30 racer on its home page. Looks like they are going after the Farr 30 crowd. Bought some Garhauer clutches, a winch handle, bag and various other stuff. Talked to the Harken guys about my traveler. They said they still sell all the bearings and shackles for the old cars. (The new cars don't fit.) They also have some old cars kicking around. Didn't board a single boat. -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&
Re: Stus-List Up early
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Joe Della Barba wrote: > Our trip up the river was in calm and drizzle. When we got to our mooring I > rigged the foredeck awning to keep rain out of the hatch. It was actually > pretty in a way, with the low clouds and mist it was like being suspended in > a silent black void. Well this morning at 0500 is a big change! I had to take > the forward awning down because the wind is gusting to 30, the clouds are > gone, and the moon is so bright it hurts my eyes. Joe. Coquina. > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Up early
Our trip up the river was in calm and drizzle. When we got to our mooring I rigged the foredeck awning to keep rain out of the hatch. It was actually pretty in a way, with the low clouds and mist it was like being suspended in a silent black void. Well this morning at 0500 is a big change! I had to take the forward awning down because the wind is gusting to 30, the clouds are gone, and the moon is so bright it hurts my eyes. Joe. Coquina. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 - cruising & showering
There is always thedock shower. We pulled into Solomon’s on a VERY hot and windless day about noon. We were hot and stinky, so we grabbed some shampoo and shaving gear and proceeded to shower off on the dock with a hose in our bathing suites. We noticed a window with Mylar reflective film right next to the dock that made a handy shaving mirror. Cool :) So clean and shaved, we hit the town. Later on we got hungry and walked into a restaurant for lunch. That faced our slip. That had Mylar sunshades to keep the temp down. That had tables right next to the windows. We turned around and ate elsewhere Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement
At my Home Depot the black iron is next to the galvanizes pipe and is about the same price. I can tell you galvanized pipe DOES stink up the boat with an A4. Been There Done That. I also would not want to be eating any food from the oven you used for your paint curing experiment! I am not even sure what the paint is going to do. The pipe gets wrapped in header-wrap on the outside and should not corrode from outside-in unless you have some kind of water leak spraying it. I can’t imagine the paint will stay in place on the inside. Could be wrong about that. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement I really do appreciate the sense of adventure and discovery in trying out new things for the boat. But sometimes the tried and true alternatives are still a good choice. A few years ago, a buddy and I helped an old guy at my club recondition and sell a Pearson 30 he was getting too old to sail by himself. Among other projects, we rebuilt the carb on the A4, installed a transistor ignition in place of the points, and rebuilt the exhaust system. The black iron pipe that was OEM on the A4 had lasted about 30 years, about 12 in salt water in LIS and 18 here in the brackish water in the Carolinas. Black iron was a little harder to find than galvanized pipe, but worth the investment in a couple of phone calls and turned out to be about the same cost. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 8:22 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement Bob, Hope your life insurance is paid up. That stink can't be good for you to breathe. Never knew anyone to paint the inside of a pipe. Isn't there an A4 website that discussed this issue? I like Dwight's idea to use stainless steel. McMaster-Carr has fittings of every type in 304 or 316. Below is a pipe threaded one end, assuming you will attach an exhaust hose. size SS 304 price SS 316 price 2 1/2" 9157K69 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#9157K69> $8.25 9110T48 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#9110T48> $11.18 Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ From: "bobmor99 ." mailto:bobmo...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 11:47:20 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement An update to my continued contrarian way... I've painted the galvanized pieces (3 coats, inside and out) with some space age, high-temperature paint. It's used on re-entry vehicles. :-) http://www.vhtpaint.com/products/flameproof/ There's a curing process involved; 30 minutes @ 250F, 30 minute cool off, 30 minutes @ 450F, 30 minute cool off, and finally, 30 minutes @ 600F. I've completed the first two heats. My oven only goes to 550F. (Kinda like my amp only goes to 11/2, not 12/2.) Tomorrow morning I'll turn on the broiler, move the oven rack to the top and bake everything again for 30 minutes. I don't want to blow up my kitchen at night. The first two bakes stunk it up. So yes, my cheapitude has lead to new experiences. I've researched the galvanized/zinc flu warning and concluded that A4 exhaust temperatures are below what's needed to create zinc oxide fumes. (That's a welding/cutting thing.) Besides, in this case the zinc will be sealed by coats of high-temp paint. So, I'm going forward with my cheapo exhaust riser replacement and will report back at 5 year intervals. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wiring
No. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:01 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Wiring I have to run some new wire for a solar panel and the tank monitor. I was at West Marine yesterday looking at wire and I had the option of duplex wire or single strand wire. The duplex was significantly cheaper per foot since it included both wires instead of buying each color separately. But I notice that nearly all of the existing wiring on the boat is single strand. Is there any reason not to buy a spool of duplex and just split the enclosing shield for the few times I need only one wire? Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wiring
I was in the marine electrical business for some years and about 95% of the time we used duplex wire. The extra layer of insulation certainly adds to safety instead of being less safe. The original wiring job on my 1973 35 was - barely - adequate for fresh water use in 1973 and about 90% of it has long since dissolved into black copper dust and been replaced. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring I am not a marine electrician expert but I would suggest that 2 wires are safer that duplex wire albeit more expensive.fires and fuses.probably the marine electrical experts will explain why 2 wires are used to supply power almost exclusively on our sail boats _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: March 23, 2014 2:01 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Wiring I have to run some new wire for a solar panel and the tank monitor. I was at West Marine yesterday looking at wire and I had the option of duplex wire or single strand wire. The duplex was significantly cheaper per foot since it included both wires instead of buying each color separately. But I notice that nearly all of the existing wiring on the boat is single strand. Is there any reason not to buy a spool of duplex and just split the enclosing shield for the few times I need only one wire? Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List SSB Ground
I have bronze screen about 3x4 feet under the tuner and also tied to a bronze thru-hull. It has worked well for about 10 years now. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I The KISS may be a good bet as well. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Kunicki Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 8:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List SSB Ground According to this article by Gordon West you really are better off having one seawater ground: http://www.kp44.org/ftp/SeawaterGroundingFor_HF_Radios_byGordonWest.pdf If this is not possible you might want to look at a KISS radial system: http://www.kiss-ssb.com/ Thanks for your time and patience, Paul Kunicki Systems Manager Owner 1977 C&C 29 MKI Boca Raton, FL > From: j...@svpaws.net > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:42:48 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List SSB Ground > > This is always a crazy topic but thought it worthwhile for this group given the experience level. Before I start running copper ribbon all over the boat, does anyone have any great ideas for a counterpoise? The boat has plastic thru-hulls and tanks. I could include the the metal holding and fuel tanks and a keel bolt or two. Most interesting, the boat has sail drive - a great big hunk of metal sticking out the bottom of the boat. With sail drives comes all sorts of concerns over electrolysis. Any thoughts? > > This is just to get a ham rig up and running for recreational purposes. No immediate cruising ambitions. > > John > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List SSB Ground
I have not, but the RF theory behind it is sound. You can make one with different lengths of wire if you don't want to buy it. Joe Della Barba Coquina j...@dellabarba.com -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List SSB Ground Ii've not seen the kiss system before. It sounds almost too good to be true. Has anyone actually used it? John Sent from my iPad > On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Paul Kunicki wrote: > > According to this article by Gordon West you really are better off > having one seawater ground: > http://www.kp44.org/ftp/SeawaterGroundingFor_HF_Radios_byGordonWest.pd > f > > If this is not possible you might want to look at a KISS radial > system: http://www.kiss-ssb.com/ > > Thanks for your time and patience, > > Paul Kunicki > Systems Manager > Owner 1977 C&C 29 MKI > Boca Raton, FL > > > > >> From: j...@svpaws.net >> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:42:48 -0400 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List SSB Ground >> >> This is always a crazy topic but thought it worthwhile for this group given the experience level. Before I start running copper ribbon all over the boat, does anyone have any great ideas for a counterpoise? The boat has plastic thru-hulls and tanks. I could include the the metal holding and fuel tanks and a keel bolt or two. Most interesting, the boat has sail drive - a great big hunk of metal sticking out the bottom of the boat. With sail drives comes all sorts of concerns over electrolysis. Any thoughts? >> >> This is just to get a ham rig up and running for recreational purposes. No immediate cruising ambitions. >> >> John >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF
It is for this reason I bought the optional fast charger for my SH HX370S. It charges the radio much faster than the standard charger the radio comes with and it shuts off when the radio is full. Many of the chargers that come with handhelds of all types are NOT designed for long term storage while powered. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF They told me that the bases do not have over charge protection. Seems like poor engineering. On Mar 29, 2014 6:27 PM, "Joel Aronson" mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > wrote: Ray, Thanks. The unit is under warranty. Apparently the SH charging bases are unreliable. Joel On Saturday, March 29, 2014, RAYMOND SHIBE mailto:rsh...@optonline.net> > wrote: Listers, Charging problems might be due to old batteries unable to retain a charge and no longer supported by the manufacturer. Ni-Cad lady in California will rebuild the old batteries. The price is not cost prohibitive IMHO. As I recall they will give a price quote over the phone. Ray Shibe "Stinky Dog" ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I am 100% certain at least one person on here thinks my job, my political views, and the country I live in are the root of all evil. Maybe all of you do for all I know! Unlike certain lists and forums, this place has been mostly free of off topic sniping and flame wars. The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. A certain place that is known for anarchy has some long-standing wars that have included people trying to get other people fired from their jobs and accusations of real life major crimes. I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request that this kind of thing cease and desist. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
This is not a random old boat - this is his father's boat. The boat also does not seem to have major issues. I would give a huge YES to this project as well! If all goes well my son will be the third owner of Coquina so I can say it is a special treat to teach your kid(s) to sail on the same boat you grew up on :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> COQUINA C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:26 AM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Kinda like older cars, it depends on how long you plan to hold on to it. 2 or 3 years probably not worth the hassle or investment of time and money. 10 or 20 probably. Besides, could you afford or justify a NEW boat? If not, then you are still just getting a used boat and someone else's problems. Buying used is almost always a compromise between value and hassles. I can usually deal with hassles. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 12:03 AM, "Dan Grant" mailto:d...@runbox.com> > wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C & C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I totally agree. I would really hesitate to own an old boat with no active support community. Fixing anything unusual would be 50 times harder. It also holds true for the Atomic 4. Moyer Marine and Indigo do such a great job supporting these engines they are easier to maintain now than when they were new. Moyer also runs a forum that provides excellent A4 advice. Given the lack of marine mechanics that care to do a good job or any job on these, this is a good thing. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:05 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum To quote Steve: "I'll go one step further actually. - This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. C&C is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable." This seems to me like a good time to remind everyone that Stu makes this all work (god bless him) and perhaps this would be a good time to make a small contribution toward defraying his costs to keep this list and website up and running. You can do that on the C&C Photo album site here: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/chandlery_2/store.php?crn=226 Once you place your order and go through the checkout you will receive an order confirmation email that offers a couple of payment options. Its easy and I'm sure Stu will appreciate the help. Ken H. On 10 April 2014 11:58, Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com> > wrote: I've only been on the list a few years but it's my favourite place on the entire internet to look for help. I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you all for the valuable advice you've offered me during my time here. It's a great list and I'm all in favour of keeping it that way. I'll go one step further actually. This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. C&C is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the C&C Landfall 38. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Tim Sippel mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com> > wrote: Its a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com <mailto:w...@wbryant.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich > On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant mailto:w...@wbryant.com> > wrote: > > I've moved on... <http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg> > > Big grins as usual. > > Wal > > >> On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: >> The worst outbreaks seem to be about old >> sports cars or inflatable cows. > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice <http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice> <http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice> Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans lavis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel <http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel> <http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I am sure there is a chiropractor forum or list someplaceMight be a better place for this ;) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Thanks for the advice Jim, but I will make my own decisions and reserve the right on that.easy for you to say _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: April 10, 2014 6:55 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Dwight, time to back off. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 13:53, dwight wrote: If you are smart like I think you are your smart brain will tell you that you don't need one.weigh the risks, maybe a gentle massage would be an option _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: April 10, 2014 5:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a C&C owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being "lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors" does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> > wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply C&C owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a C&C owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your C&C ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com <http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> "There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression
It works better from above. I would NOT try and run it though. As you correctly mentioned, there is no room for a lot of liquids in there. You need to crank the engine with the injectors OUT and blow the stuff back out before you try and run the engine. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 5:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression I'd think twice about removing injectors to pour any sort of liquid into the combustion chambers. Diesels ignite by high compression. They achieve this by having very little clearance between piston and cylinder head. Oil is virtually incompressible so you run a real risk of a hydraulic lock or worse a bent connecting rod. Put the snake oil in the sump! sam :-) C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Josh Muckley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:38 PM To: C&C List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression Yep that's my plan. On Apr 11, 2014 2:02 PM, "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > wrote: Works great on Atomic 4s. I am not sure how I would use it on a diesel without access to the cylinders. You might have to remove injectors or glowplugs. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 11:14 AM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression Joe, Does it work or is that just what the label says? I would use it the same way except maybe roll the engine by hand first to release some of the oil. Josh On Apr 11, 2014 11:09 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > wrote: Marvel Mystery Oil has been unsticking rings since the 1920s, but I am not sure how to use it with a diesel. For a gas engine you remove the sparkplugs and pour some in. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 11:01 AM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression Bill, Mine was smoking a bit last season too but I attributed it to an incorrectly adjusted Max-prop. My hypothesis may have mislead me to not recognize a low power condition. Anybody ever use any of the snake oil products that are supposed to free stuck rings? "Rislone Compression Restore and Ring Seal" is just one of many I came across. The ones you pour in the cylinder seem more legit than the ones you add to the oil. Josh On Apr 11, 2014 10:48 AM, "Bill Coleman" mailto:colt...@verizon.net> > wrote: This is very interesting. The Landfall 39 here in Erie that Lloyd Lippe in TX bought smoked a lot. The Previous owner was a C&C dealer in the day, and had a yard. I talked to the manager once, he said they did everything to this engine to figure out the smoking problem and could never solve it. I’ll bet you are right on about the stuck rings. I am not sure if it ever cleared up for Lloyd. Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of bria...@aol.com <mailto:bria...@aol.com> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:10 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3HM35F low compression A thought on Josh's 3HM35F engine issues My "new to me" boat had been on the hard for years (4+, at least), and required a emptying and cleaning of the fuel tank, new filters, and a rebuild of the injection pump just to get my YANMAR 4JH-TE started. It seemed to run fine, and we ran it for many hours at various speeds dockside, then changed the oil and filter again. Still more smoke than I would like in the exhaust. In any case, pressed for time, I set out for return to Virginia from Gulf Coast, Florida. In the first 8 hours of running time, used more than 1/2 quart of oil, then something changed. Less smoke in the exhaust, much more power, smoother idle. >From that point on used no more oil on the whole trip up to Virginia. At least >65 more hours of running time. I suspect my engine had stuck rings, and that the combination of running it and fresh oil "unstuck" them. Perhaps this applies to Josh's engine, as well, although I'm not sure how he can run it if it won't start. According to my diesel mechanic, the engine should start and run with the compression he has, just won't produce much power, and may smoke. I'm thinking his
Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 questions
If the boat has the Atomic 4 engine with raw water cooling, I would not bother with a water heater. We had one and threw it out ages ago. A raw water cooled engine will not run hot enough to get decent hot water and if you get a hotter thermostat salt and minerals precipitate out and clog the cooling passages. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 questions I would agree with Dwight. 1. The resale value usually does not include any extra equipment. You can add instruments, A/C, special comfort features and the selling price would not change. You may find a buyer sooner, but it won't make the price higher. Marek (in Ottawa). From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:46 PM To: 'andrew rothweiler'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 questions 1. about $1000 depending on the hot water heater you choose.5-6 gallons is enough imo and the pressure pump.get ITT PAR diaphragm pump maybe $200 both hot and cold pressure. Resale value is mostly about age of boat and engine.a good diesel is worth more imo.inventory counts for some buyers, the extra things you do with your boat are for you, others might not want to pay extra for them on resale. 2. No, but inboard tracks are not that hard to install and with roller cars they are worth it. The interior bolts won't be visible unless you lay on your back and look up.the tracks need only be about 4-5 feet long.I have them installed on my 35 MKII but I need to measure for exact. 3. The 35 MKII is a beautiful boat, stand back and look at her lines and fall in love and she is very seaworthy with a higher than expected motion comfort factor for a 35 footer.she is fast and fastest off the wind, she points well but not as well as more modern racier designs.I love mine and hope to keep her in the family for decades to come.we see what she can do every time another mast is in sight and we enjoy the ride All 35 MKII's are old: get a good survey.if that checks out and the price is what you are willing to pay, go for it.I have never regretted buying Alianna Dwight Veinot 1974 C&C 35 MKII, Alianna St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of andrew rothweiler Sent: April 19, 2014 3:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List C&C 35-2 questions Hello all, need some advice please. There's a 35-2 for sale that I'll be looking at this week. The boat seems to be a "base" model without many options; no teak holly sole, no hot pressure water (does have "cold water system"), no genoa tracks. So my questions are: 1) Can anyone give a ballpark idea of how much it would cost to have hot pressure water added (by a yard shop, since I don't have the knowledge/tools etc to tackle such a job)? Is resale value of this boat diminished much by not having hot pressure water/shower? Is the resale value and desirability of this model increased very much by adding the hot pressure water/shower feature? 2) Is there any indication on the deck or inside the liner of the proper factory mounting location for genoa tracks, which I would add? I've seen a boat of a different brand that doesn't have the tracks, but you can see the "pre-molded" location in the deck, and there are access panels in the cabin to reach the mounting bolts from underneath without having to cut holes in the liner. Does the C&C 35-2 have any similar indicators of the genoa track location? A week or so ago some folks were commenting on the value of this forum and the contributions of the members, especially as it relates to the enhanced value and desirability of C&Cs. As a prospective C&C owner, I can affirm that sentiment wholeheartedly. I've been on the hunt for my first "full sized" sailboat for a couple of years, and subscribing to this forum has greatly contributed to my sailboat education, and to the process of figuring out what would be the "right boat" for me. Of the makes of boats that I've considered, imo the C&C forum is by far the most active and educational source to help a prospective owner navigate the variables of sailboat buying. This forum offers great reassurance to a newcomer like myself that there is knowledgeable advice available when issues inevitably come up related to ownership and maintenance. Thanks again to everyone for their advice and assistance. Andy R ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Battery options
Sam’s Club has AGM Group 31s for about $170. They are East Penn-Deka batteries, same as West but half the price. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board
I use insulators in my backstay and an SGC auto-tuner. So far it has matched every frequency I have tried it on, which would be every ham and marine band between 1.8 and 30 MHz. This definitely includes 40 meters. The only tricky area seems to be 10 meters. I can get a better tune some days by tuning at 26 MHz and locking the tuner and then going to 10 meters. Not sure exactly why?? I haven't tried it myself, but I have heard of people only using the bottom insulator on the backstay and letting the tuner load the whole rig with ground strap run the tuner to the base of the mast. Anyway, for the low voltage issue, you can try this: http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-4416B You can see my TS-440 here: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/rh1.jpg and here http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/isabelchart.jpg Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I N3HGB _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colomba Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board Hi Fred of cause, basic idea is to use only an auto-tuner ... but, if you look at the possibilities, on 7 MHZ ( 40m band) there will be no chance for any auto-tuner to match the aft stay (on the C&C 34 with 12.7m isolated aft stay length, other length of cause may be possible). To illustrate the problem i.e. 80m band (3,5-3,8 Mhz) ... aft stay isolated, far field pattern: max. -0.7 dBi, losses in the antenna tuner app. 50%, 30° vertical angle. Aft stay connected to the whole rigging the far field: max 3.93 dBi; losses in the antenna tuner 2%, with a vertical angle of 60°, which means nearly an optimum for long distance connections. Main problem for HF connections on a sailing boat is, during sailing I have only app. 12.5V meaning something about 60W output, but 15A. Ok, I can use an Amplifier to increase output, say to 300 W or something, no problem, but in this case I would use app. 60A or something like that. For sailing conditions inacceptable. Result in my point of view is, to optimize the antenna. If I`m able to send out really with 60 W and have only 2% losses, than everything is fine. With 100W output I had contact to stations up to 3000 sm away, on sea, with salt water enviroment 60W should doing same due to much better ground conditions. For the relay in the circurit, no, it`s not really a big thing. Looking to what`s going on on this point, only 0.6V and 2A (on 80m band with 100W, the others I have to check, but I do not expect really high voltage or current), so a 12 V rellay with 16A should do this job easily. best regards Peter Am 11.01.2013 23:19, schrieb Frederick G Street: Peter -- on this side of the pond, it's common to use a completely-isolated backstay for the antenna. I'd be concerned about getting RF burns if you don't isolate at the top (using the mast and the rest of the stays/shrouds as antennas); and depending on your transmit power, you'd need quite a large relay to switch the mast/rigging in or out of the circuit anyway. Are you using an antenna tuner between the radio and the antenna? Most SSB installations I'm familiar with use an auto-tuner along with the fully-isolated backstay. See if this helps: http://www.yachtcom.info/backstay/index.html Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Colomba wrote: Good day last October I made my ham radio licence. Whatever, hard stuff. Of cause my main idea is to bring the ham radio onto Colomba (C&C34) and I`m wondering ho to install the antenna. Perhaps someone had same idea and some solutions. In the moment I`m modelling the boat incl. rigging with 4nec2 and the results are interesting ... and a little bit confusing. Up to now I made two setups of antennas, one separate on the stern with max 8m long wire in a glasfibre tube, app. 10° showing aft from the vertical. I`m not very pleased to have such antenna, much to complicated for mooring etc. Also it seems that this antenna will not work without a huge ammount of losses even if matched by an antenna tuner. The other possibility is to use the aft stay. It`s isolated, so in general no problem. But, it`s funny ... isolated no chance to match it on 40m band, 80m is possible but not really good. 20,15 and 10m are working. Than I`ve tried to use the aft stay without an isolation in the top. Result was interesting. 80m working good, 40m perfect, 20 and 15m do not work, 10m excellent. That the 10m is working coupled to the whole rigg is realy surprising me. My idea is now to place a relais in the top to have a circurit with the rigg or to isolate the aft stay. Of cause, under all circumstances I have to match the antenna with an automatic tuner, but I want to reduce losses in the tuner as much as possible. Perhaps someone has his/her own experience and can give me some advi
Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board
Never used any of them, but here are more: http://stores.tgelectronics.org/Detail.bok?no=11 http://berkscountyaresraces.homestead.com/Battery_Boosters_for_Emcomm_Use.pd f Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board Dont forget to check on the reviews for the MFJ-4416B (http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7504) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colomba Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board Hi Joe thank`s for the input. The MFJ-4416B seems to be a really good idea to solve the voltage problem. I`m using a LDG tuner, a little bit modified, but in general something like the SGC. For your 10m problem ... the problem is that on an antenna you have voltage and current waves and the length of the antenna will effect the possibilities of the waves on the antenna, the point of load to the antenna will be effected by the current and voltage wave and will have, to try to explain it simpel, the result of different resistance simple to say R[Ohm]= U [V] /I [A]. Due to the fact that every different wave length on an antenna will have different wave forms of U and I on the antenna, you might have the problem to have too high restistance (depending on the tuner, most of them have a max resistance of 600-850 Ohms which they are able to match) or, too low restistance, I don`t know any tuner able to match under 5 Ohms. For your situation with the 10m band the only solution is to make the antenna longer or shorter or to try to move the point of load on the antenna to get into a situation either to reduce the resistance or to make the resistance higher as let`s say 5 Ohms. It`s not a problem to measure this. I`m using a "noise bridge" to figure out what`s going on. Very simple to use, the bridge will be coupled between receiver and antenna, the interesting frequency will be fixed at the receiver and than the potentiometer (maybe also a variable capacitor) will be used at the bridge to find the minimum point of noise in the receiver. Knowing the resistance of the potentiometer and knowing the capacity of the capacitor will give you the exact reactive part of impedance and the real restistance. In case of my antenna in the 40m band or exactly to say at 7.02 Mhz the resistance is nearly 0 [Ohm] and no chance to match this. Only possibilitie is to change the antenna to leave the situation of extremly low resistance in the bands to transmitt. That`s why I`ve got the idea to make the antenna longer and to make a bridge with a relay at the upper insulator. What I saw by running the NEC software was a very interesing effect. At 80m the result only with insulated antenna was -.7 dBi as max output, with the whole rig 3,93 dBi. On 40m band, impossible due low resistance at insulated antenna, 16.7 dBi at whole rigg in max. At 20m band, insulated 14.2 dBi max but only 1.2 dBi for whole rigg. 15m band nearly same procedure 8.96 dBi insulated and 1.5 dBi whole rigg. 10m band 8.92 dBi insulated and 12.4 dBi whole rigg. That`s why I have to insulate for 20m and 15m band and to use a relay. The high performance of the antenna with a huge ammount of dBi is based on really directed signals. It`s very interesting to see the effect of the total rigging and the way of directed signals. For the 80m band it`s a direction more to aft, 40m band more forward direction, all other bands will be extremly effected and directed to port and starboard. best regards Peter Am 12.01.2013 14:25, schrieb Joe Della Barba: I use insulators in my backstay and an SGC auto-tuner. So far it has matched every frequency I have tried it on, which would be every ham and marine band between 1.8 and 30 MHz. This definitely includes 40 meters. The only tricky area seems to be 10 meters. I can get a better tune some days by tuning at 26 MHz and locking the tuner and then going to 10 meters. Not sure exactly why?? I haven't tried it myself, but I have heard of people only using the bottom insulator on the backstay and letting the tuner load the whole rig with ground strap run the tuner to the base of the mast. Anyway, for the low voltage issue, you can try this: http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-4416B You can see my TS-440 here: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/rh1.jpg and here http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/isabelchart.jpg Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I N3HGB _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colomba Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List HAM radio on board Hi Fred of cause, basic idea is to use only an auto-tuner ... but, if you look at the possibilities, on 7 MHZ ( 40m band) there wi
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Re: Stus-List Diversion is for sale
Add Kent Island to that. Joe Della Barba Coquina j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Diversion is for sale Have a vacation in Nova Scotia and we'll guarantee you some great sailing. No work either:) Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-04, at 19:49, "Stu" mailto:s...@cncphotoalbum.com> > wrote: It is with a bit of sadness that I put the for sale sign on Diversion. As one grows older, lifestyles change, pleasure becomes work, costs continue to rise and changes have to be made. Diversion is a 1973 30ft C&C and has not been in the water for 1 year. Sitting on the hard for any length of time is not good for any boat. She is going to take a bit of TLC to get her back to her pristine condition but it won’t take much. I have her listed well below the going prices for similar prices. If anyone is seriously interested, contact me off list at: s...@cncphotoalbum.com <mailto:s...@cncphotoalbum.com> and I will gladly send you a link to the complete specs. Don’t worry, my love for C&C’s will mean the site and list will continue as in the past. Stu ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
I re-read the specs. The boat recently has at least $10K of electronics and at LEAST 10 more in sails and interior and they want 20? I am tempted so bad. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR style hull with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be extremely tight quarters down below. some people love it, more hated it. I looked at 4 or 5 of them when I was in the market and despite my best efforts, I fell into the hated it category. I like the interior layout of the original 38 much better, but it's not ideal either. The buy-it-now price is about $10K less than the boats I looked at, but none of those have sold so James Delaney C&C 38 MKII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: "Rich Knowles" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay >I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least. > > Rich Knowles > Indigo. LF38 > Halifax > > On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland " > wrote: > > The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal. > Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dean > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39 > To: > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay > > > That is just an opening bid. Seller has a hidden reserve price which has > not yet been met. > > What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that > opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final > bid > is and what the reserve is. If the reserve isn't met, owner can still > list > it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve. > > If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell > price > minus commission plus a bit for me. Still interesting to watch. > > Mike > C&C 27 Mk III > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee > Youngblood > Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay > > Why didn't he list it with a broker? Looks like someone will get a deal. > . > . > > >> Wow - what a price! Nice boat >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Richard N. Bush >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay >> >> >> >> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay; >> >> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sa >> ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan >> dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de >> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it? >> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model? >> >> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates >> and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution? >> >> Thanks >> >> Richard >> 1987 33-II > > > -- > Lee Youngblood (425) 444-9109 > > Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker > > Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle > Office @ Dockside Solutions > 7001 Seaview Avenue #160 > Seattle, WA 98117 > New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 > > GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
There’s that – I’d have 2 boats sooner than I had planned. Good thing I have 2 spots – have to rotate them :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Price Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay Joe, I paid much less than the starting bid for Pradel 13 years ago. I just plan on holding on to her 'til after I'm gone and she's the kid's problem! Chris Price Pradel C & C 35 MkI p.s. spent the night on the boat last night to wire some new LED interior lights. It was like a tropical storm last night. Fired up the old A 4 too. What a great engine! _ From: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:39:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very depressed right now. My boat must be worth about $5.97 Joe Della Barba Coquina -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee Youngblood Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay Why didn't he list it with a broker? Looks like someone will get a deal. . . >Wow - what a price! Nice boat > > >From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >Richard N. Bush >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM >To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay > > > >There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay; > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sa ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sa%0b> >ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan >dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de >The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it? >Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model? > >The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates >and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution? > >Thanks > >Richard >1987 33-II > -- Lee Youngblood mailto:l...@1gigharbor.com> > (425) 444-9109 Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle Office @ Dockside Solutions 7001 Seaview Avenue #160 Seattle, WA 98117 New Office Phone (206) 707-1778 GHYS website: http://www.1gigharbor.com/ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
We just might. My wife LOVES the LF38 layout. Last one we looked at for $49K, described as a great boat, had: Leaking fuel tank Reeked of diesel Reeked of mold Hatches leaked The cabin sides had swollen and split aft of the ports. It was barely worth scrap value IMHO. I am still trying to get putting new sails, paint, interior, radar, etc. on a boat and then selling her for the cost of what you just added. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay Joe, That boat's just down the road from you. You should go take a look. Although we all know that small on-line photos which can make a rotten old log-canoe look like like a new AC Cup boat, it is an intriguing sell. And we know too that older electronics have no currency but still, there's a fair amount of get-on-and-sail-away stuff associated with it. If I didn't have something that size already and weren't diametrically across the Bay from it I'd give it a look. Dave 1982 C&C 37 - "Ronin" On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: > I re-read the specs. The boat recently has at least $10K of > electronics and at LEAST 10 more in sails and interior and they want 20? > I am tempted so bad. > > Joe Della Barba > j...@dellabarba.com > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > jtsails > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:02 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay > > The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR > style hull with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be > extremely tight quarters down below. some people love it, more hated > it. I looked at 4 or 5 of them when I was in the market and despite my > best efforts, I fell into the hated it category. I like the interior > layout of the original 38 much better, but it's not ideal either. The > buy-it-now price is about $10K less than the boats I looked at, but none of those have sold so > James > Delaney > C&C 38 MKII > Oriental, NC > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Knowles" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay > > >> I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least. >> >> Rich Knowles >> Indigo. LF38 >> Halifax >> >> On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland " >> >> wrote: >> >> The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal. >> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Dean >> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39 >> To: >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay >> >> >> That is just an opening bid. Seller has a hidden reserve price which >> has not yet been met. >> >> What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that >> opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the >> final bid is and what the reserve is. If the reserve isn't met, >> owner can still list it through a broker or relist with a lower >> reserve. >> >> If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell >> price minus commission plus a bit for me. Still interesting to >> watch. >> >> Mike >> C&C 27 Mk III >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Lee Youngblood >> Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay >> >> Why didn't he list it with a broker? Looks like someone will get a deal. >> . >> . >> >> >>> Wow - what a price! Nice boat >>> >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >>> Richard N. Bush >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay >>> >>> >>> >>> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay; >>> >>> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt >>> =Sa >>> ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C- >>> Lan dfall38-/25
Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
We paid more for the boat than our house and that house is currently worth about $500,000. So in my mind, she is more than that :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Keyless Ignition Switch
Coquina never had an ignition switch. Push button start from 1973 to 2013 :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Keyless Ignition Switch All, I was very interested reading about going keyless for your engine's ignition. Certainly makes sense - It's getting the battery switch on that is the real hurdle for stealing a boat. It's very easy to get to the back of an engine panel and just connect the wires. Plus when your boat is as graphics-heavy as the Enterprise, I doubt anyone could steal her and get very far without being found. And I've also had my share (and fill) of bent keys and crud getting into the key slot. For those who have done it, what did you use as a replacement toggle or push-button switch? I'm thinking something lighted, low-profile and water-resistant. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
The auction was removed. The owner said a local wanted to buy the boat. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> COQUINA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay Looks like the boat did not sell. Joe, did you look at it? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Security question
Live-aboards and homeless people finding an abandoned boat on the hard are not the exact same thing. Also note that while 99% of cruisers are great people, when I had a marine business well over 90% of the theft losses for the entire YEAR were in October. For those that don’t know, all the southbound cruisers are in the Bay in October waiting for the insurance deadline to head south. There are “five finger discounters” in that fleet. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Security question Actually, my experience has been that the live aboards are by far your best protection. Depends on the live aboards of course... Cats, well - now you got a problem John Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com> > wrote: I'm on a mooring and there is a beach nearby. Outboards have been stolen at our club, we're downtown and kids hang out on the shore and I'm pretty sure they either swim out to boats at night to party or take canoes or something. Either way, I don't want no stinking kids in my boat! Where I'm dry docked right now is super sketchy too. Club didn't have enough depth to haul me last year. Some stray cats have been using my cockpit as a washroom. People live at this yard all year round .. under tarped over derelict boats. It's a scary place. Steve C&C 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM, j...@svpaws.net <mailto:j...@svpaws.net> mailto:j...@svpaws.net> > wrote: Many years ago I found myself in a new marina and had forgotten my boat keys. It took me 2 minutes to break into the boat, nobody questioned why I was sawing through a lock. Never bothered locking my boat again. John Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > wrote: > I lock the cabin and lazarette. > > Does anyone lock the anchor locker? > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Security question + hurricanes
Usually insurance holds everyone in the Bay until around the end of October before they can go farther south. This has caused the Annapolis Boat Show to be the traditional get together of the southbound cruising community. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: Dennis C. [mailto:capt...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 11:12 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Security question Joe, Please explain insurance deadline. End of hurricane season? Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:05 PM, "Joe Della Barba" mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> > wrote: Live-aboards and homeless people finding an abandoned boat on the hard are not the exact same thing. Also note that while 99% of cruisers are great people, when I had a marine business well over 90% of the theft losses for the entire YEAR were in October. For those that don’t know, all the southbound cruisers are in the Bay in October waiting for the insurance deadline to head south. There are “five finger discounters” in that fleet. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net <mailto:j...@svpaws.net> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Security question Actually, my experience has been that the live aboards are by far your best protection. Depends on the live aboards of course... Cats, well - now you got a problem John Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com> > wrote: I'm on a mooring and there is a beach nearby. Outboards have been stolen at our club, we're downtown and kids hang out on the shore and I'm pretty sure they either swim out to boats at night to party or take canoes or something. Either way, I don't want no stinking kids in my boat! Where I'm dry docked right now is super sketchy too. Club didn't have enough depth to haul me last year. Some stray cats have been using my cockpit as a washroom. People live at this yard all year round .. under tarped over derelict boats. It's a scary place. Steve C&C 32 Toronto On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM, j...@svpaws.net <mailto:j...@svpaws.net> mailto:j...@svpaws.net> > wrote: Many years ago I found myself in a new marina and had forgotten my boat keys. It took me 2 minutes to break into the boat, nobody questioned why I was sawing through a lock. Never bothered locking my boat again. John Sent from my iPad On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> > wrote: > I lock the cabin and lazarette. > > Does anyone lock the anchor locker? > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Pelicans
I am on the way to rock hall and pelicans are going by begging for food from a crab boat. Not sure why they are not in Florida for the winter. Joe Coquina > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Heaving-to
My boat heaves to quite well under main and jib. All I have to do is tack, not release the jib sheet, let the sail back on the new tack, and then turn the boat hard to windward. It is quite useful to "park" for a bit, but not much used anymore as a storm survival tactic. If you can still do that, you can likely sail someplace too. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin Kilgour Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Heaving-to I agree with Dwight. You should be able to heave to with any headsail, because conditions may require it. That said, I prefer not to have my headsail backing against the spreaders, so I prefer rolling up to no more than a 110 or so before heaving to. Cheers Colin On 11/10/12, Marek Fluder wrote: > On my 24 I need to reduce the headsail to a handkerchief. > Otherwise main and tiller are not able to keep it balanced. > I think it's because my boat is not heavy and freeboard helps pushing > the bow down. > > Marek Fluder > C&C24 "Emilie" > Hamilton Harbour, ON > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Mark G wrote: > >> >> After 6 years of experimenting on an infrequent basis I was finally >> able to easily and repeatedly heave-to my 25 Mk1 this year. I sail >> with a 135-140% Genoa on a furler. On the day everything clicked it >> was furled to about 100-110%. Since then, I have made furling the >> Genoa to 100-110% the first step of heaving-to. It makes sense to me >> that, since heaving-to is all about balancing the sails, sail area >> forward would be a significant factor. But on a boat without a >> furler this can't be accomplished without a sail change, etc. So I'm >> thinking the same thing might be accomplished by positioning the main >> sail with the sheet or the traveler. Can anybody weigh in on their >> experience, particularly with the 25 Mk1? >> >> Mark >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Heaving-to
That is kind of what I meant - maybe I worded it wrong. When we had 50 knots coming home from Bermuda, we had 5 on board and decided to push for top speed. We got about 170 miles the first non-to-noon and 180 the next. Heaving-to would have been a nice way to get some rest if needed, but we could survive either way. I think a true "survival storm" would be too much for my fin-keel boat to heave to in. YMMV and all........ Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com _ From: Andrew Burton [mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:07 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Heaving-to Joe, heaving to is very much in use as a storm/survival tactic. I've more than once sat out 50-knot winds halfway between Bermuda and New England while hove to. The contrast between trying to make way in that stuff and sitting under the dodger with a cup of tea while hove to is remarkable. And it gives you time to enjoy some alpine scenery, too! Andrew Burton Newport, RI http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Joe Della Barba wrote: My boat heaves to quite well under main and jib. All I have to do is tack, not release the jib sheet, let the sail back on the new tack, and then turn the boat hard to windward. It is quite useful to "park" for a bit, but not much used anymore as a storm survival tactic. If you can still do that, you can likely sail someplace too. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin Kilgour Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Heaving-to I agree with Dwight. You should be able to heave to with any headsail, because conditions may require it. That said, I prefer not to have my headsail backing against the spreaders, so I prefer rolling up to no more than a 110 or so before heaving to. Cheers Colin On 11/10/12, Marek Fluder wrote: > On my 24 I need to reduce the headsail to a handkerchief. > Otherwise main and tiller are not able to keep it balanced. > I think it's because my boat is not heavy and freeboard helps pushing > the bow down. > > Marek Fluder > C&C24 "Emilie" > Hamilton Harbour, ON > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Mark G wrote: > >> >> After 6 years of experimenting on an infrequent basis I was finally >> able to easily and repeatedly heave-to my 25 Mk1 this year. I sail >> with a 135-140% Genoa on a furler. On the day everything clicked it >> was furled to about 100-110%. Since then, I have made furling the >> Genoa to 100-110% the first step of heaving-to. It makes sense to me >> that, since heaving-to is all about balancing the sails, sail area >> forward would be a significant factor. But on a boat without a >> furler this can't be accomplished without a sail change, etc. So I'm >> thinking the same thing might be accomplished by positioning the main >> sail with the sheet or the traveler. Can anybody weigh in on their >> experience, particularly with the 25 Mk1? >> >> Mark >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel
I know someone that did this on a C&C 40. Worked out great. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark G Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel One of the few remaining lead foundries is right in Providence, RI: http://www.ibroomfieldandson.net/ - Original Message - From: Joseph Valle To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:46:43 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Stus-List Cutting my keel I own a C&C 29' Mark II. I am contemplating cutting my keel about 14 inches to accommodate a shallow mooring spot. Mars Metal from Canada makes a keel bulb that will bolt to the remaining keel to make up for weight and righting moment. Has anyone had experience with this? Joseph R. Valle Chairman & C.E.O. The Valle Group, Inc. 70 East Falmouth Highway, Suite 3 East Falmouth, MA 02536 Phone 508-548-1450 Cell 508-566-3441 joseph.va...@vallegroup.com -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Persuasion Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fw: Photos needed Anybody with a 37 would know. For that matter anybody with a 35 would know also. Mike S/V Persuasion C&C 37 K/CB Stormont Yacht Club http://www.stormontyachtclub.ca/ -Original Message- From: Pete Shelquist Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed I have a nice shot of a 37 I'll send in. It's a better looking boat than what's listed and they won't know the difference. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed Folks, I do not know what version 35 they want -- they probably don't know either. If you are sending me a photo: a) send it to s...@cncphotoalbum.com b) images should be high-res, jpeg format and not thumbnail size. I'll send them what I get. Stu -Original Message- From: Graham Collins Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Photos needed Hi Stu Which version 35, and to what email address? Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 Stu wrote: > I have just received an email from BoatUS Publications: > We are updating our online boat reviews and looking for a good photo > of a C&C 35, C&C 99 and C&C Landfall 38 sailboat, showing the whole > boats well, preferably under sail. Would you be able to help me? We > would give credit to the photographer of course. > If you have any photos that qualify, send them to me and I'll send > them to BoatUS after I gloat over them and paste a bunch on the Photo > Album - after all it is a photo album. > Stu > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5905 - Release Date: 11/19/12 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
I have one of these: https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155 <https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid= g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90> &osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90 This would also work: http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/ Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera Joe, What system do you use? I remember you setting it up. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote: I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage. See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe shorepower voltage. I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA trying to get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my home LAN. You would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more than likely. What I do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so. http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B004 7CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B00 47CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera> &qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera Joel, Unless you're watching, it won't help. There are wireless bilge and boat systems monitors available. They will alert you when a problem is observed. Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs. Dennis _ From: Joel Aronson To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM Subject: Stus-List Surveillance camera Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of adding one of these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O= <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=deta ils&Q> &sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q= I have internet access from the marina. I could leave the bilge open and check on the boat remotely. Has anyone done anything similar? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35-1 headliner bump
I'll see if I have one. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:50 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35-1 headliner bump On my 35-1 there is a molded protrusion in the headliner at the port forward corner of the midships hatch. It's about 3 inches square. There is nothing on the deck above it. I've always wondered what it was for. Any ideas? Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Transitioning from Racing to Cruising?
I did this a long time ago. The day has passed when a boat can be kept in competitive racing trim and go cruising in comfort. When I was a kid, Coquina could literally come back from a 2 week cruise on Friday night and be on the line Saturday morning and win silver. Now...not so much. So I race on other boats when the urge strikes and Coquina is a second home for us. This is not to say I don't like to sail fast, but trying to get all the kids toys, blow-dryers, etc etc off and the racing sails on is too much of a PITA for us. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C& C35 MK I In a message dated 12/17/2012 4:30:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, e...@schillay.com writes: Listers, Though I thought this day would never come (and I'm not saying it has yet), but given the difficulties in lining up crew, keeping them committed on a regular basis, and the costs, I'd like to know people's experiences in transitioning from racing their C&C to a life of cruising. Anyone here done it? Are you happy you did? I'm very curious to hear your stories, including the successes and regrets, if any. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/> Website = ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Transitioning from Racing to Cruising?
BTW - One of the things that has changed is the family atmosphere around racing. I basically grew up racing and from age 7 on there were kids my age on the other boats. That has changed for the most part. BUT WAIT! The Corsica River Yacht Club (my club wink wink) has a great annual regatta with kids all over the place, beer, food, a band, and a great facility with two beaches. For one designs we race around the river and the "big boats" come over from Baltimore Light. We are looking to include a "Good Old Boat" class this year for the older casual racers along with the standard PHRF class. This race is great if you want to actually GO SOMEPLACE instead of going back and forth doing W/Ls. I am the PRO for this and hope to get some of you out for it. *even if you don't race, show up anyway Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 30 Mk1 Mast step repair
OUCH!! I did mine myself. The bill was about $600 for mast out and in, plus what I spent on aluminum fabrication for the mast step. Maybe $1000 total! It was a large pain to lay on my belly scraping all the old rotten wood out. That was 2 days work right there. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 Mk1 Mast step repair The estimate I got for repair (from the same yard that the owner had all his work done at) was about $6,500, including crane (and probably an overly healthy amount of time up on the hard to do the repair). ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-ListAutopilot deals
Do we have a RaytMarine dealer on the list? I might possibly be looking for a new wheel pilot. Joe Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re: Re-power and prop for 1981 C&C Landfall 38
I agree, get yourself a nice Beta 37 ½ HP diesel, and a 3 blade flex-a – fold. I replaced a 4-108 with one of those Kubota’s, the mounting was about 2 inches narrower, I just had to get some 3” aluminum (or maybe 4”) angle to replace the old steel angle. You will be amazed at how much lighter it is from the Perkins. An old slip neighbor also had a 39, he replaced his atomic with a 30 HP Yanmar, and was disappointed with the loss in power. But it will still get you from A to B. Bill Coleman An Atomic 4 puits out 30 HP at 3600 RPM, so unless the original install had the A4 with the reduction gear, something is very wrong with the Yanmar if it cannot equal the A4. Most A4 powered boats with direct drive are maxing out at maybe 22-24 HP. Joe Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re: Alternator / Inverter / Air Conditioning
That would be a marginal operation at best. The most benign thing that would go wrong would be the inverter overheating and shutting down. If that doesn't happen, running an alternator that hard for hours on end is pretty tough duty, I would not be surprised if the alternator died an early death. The worst case scenario is trying to run the AC at anchor. Long ago I dealt with a company that was selling 3 KW AC generators that belted off the main engine. End result was people running their engines all night to run the AC and carbon fouling them to death. Joe Coquina On 9/19/2020 10:24 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: Listers, As some of you already know, we installed air conditioning on the Enterprise a couple of months ago. We are currently at the dock on Captiva Island and the cabin is a glorious 75 degrees. According to the installer, at startup and maximum compression, the air conditioning on the boat will draw 1400 Watts. Years ago, when I repowered the boat with a new Beta 30 engine, I added a 120A alternator and a 2000W inverter, mostly so my wife can use her hairdryer when under way. My AC panel is switchable between Shore Power and the Inverter’ power. So here’s the question: Do you think it’s possible to actually run the air conditioning with the engine running? The math seems to work, but I am hesitant to give it a try. And, if it doesn’t work, what would actually happen? Are we talking a tripped breaker or something bad like alternator issues. Signed, Clueless in Captiva. All the best, Edd ———- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C&C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL www.StarshipSailing.com ———- 914.774.9767 | Mobile ———- Sent via iPhone 11 Pro iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re: Alternator / Inverter / Air Conditioning
Underway is actually better for the engine. My alternator regulator will back off charging if the alternator overheats. Does yours do that? I would say go ahead and give it a try and see what happens, but the potential for damaging the alternator does exist. If you don't have temperature sensing you might get an IR thermometer to check on the alternator. The other way to do this is belt an air conditioner compressor off the engine like a car. Joe Coquina On 9/19/2020 11:13 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: Joe, Thanks. I wasn’t looking to run all night at anchor. I was only thinking if we were moving under power with little to no breeze behind us, if it were possible to cool down the cabin a little, or at least get some relief standing in front of a vent for a short time. All the best, Edd ———- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C&C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL www.StarshipSailing.com ———- 914.774.9767 | Mobile ———- Sent via iPhone 11 Pro iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Joe Della Barba wrote: That would be a marginal operation at best. The most benign thing that would go wrong would be the inverter overheating and shutting down. If that doesn't happen, running an alternator that hard for hours on end is pretty tough duty, I would not be surprised if the alternator died an early death. The worst case scenario is trying to run the AC at anchor. Long ago I dealt with a company that was selling 3 KW AC generators that belted off the main engine. End result was people running their engines all night to run the AC and carbon fouling them to death. Joe Coquina On 9/19/2020 10:24 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: Listers, As some of you already know, we installed air conditioning on the Enterprise a couple of months ago. We are currently at the dock on Captiva Island and the cabin is a glorious 75 degrees. According to the installer, at startup and maximum compression, the air conditioning on the boat will draw 1400 Watts. Years ago, when I repowered the boat with a new Beta 30 engine, I added a 120A alternator and a 2000W inverter, mostly so my wife can use her hairdryer when under way. My AC panel is switchable between Shore Power and the Inverter’ power. So here’s the question: Do you think it’s possible to actually run the air conditioning with the engine running? The math seems to work, but I am hesitant to give it a try. And, if it doesn’t work, what would actually happen? Are we talking a tripped breaker or something bad like alternator issues. Signed, Clueless in Captiva. All the best, Edd ———- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C&C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL www.StarshipSailing.com ———- 914.774.9767 | Mobile ———- Sent via iPhone 11 Pro iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing
How we did it with airplanes that had been babied so much the rings never seated: Grab a snack, fill the tanks, and fly about 3 hours at 100% power. Joe Coquina On 9/19/2020 1:45 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: Josh mentioned that cylinder glazing can occur if the engine is not run at 80 percent for extended periods of time. We motor out from the dock for 5 or 10 minutes, set the sails and shut down the engine. We get a fairly heavy blue smoke when the engine is cold. Question; is there any way to get rid of the glazing short tearing down the engine? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 Portland, Or ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing
Before you go try it, check your engine manual to see if you have a time
limited power settings. METO in airplanes is usually something like 5
minutes, my Atomic 4 can go 100% forever, and I have seen notes with
something like a 1 hour limit for redline RPM on some Yanmars.
Joe
Coquina
On 9/21/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Muckley wrote:
Joe, both we got both emails. Thanks!
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 06:59 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Did my email on this show up??
To repeat – when airplanes suffered from this we used to grab a
snack and a full tank of gas and fly around at 100% power (or
METO) for three hours or so.
I would run your boat flat-out for a bit, that should help.
*/Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I/*
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*From:*Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com
<mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>]
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*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM Fred Hazzard mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Josh mentioned that cylinder glazing can occur if the engine
is not run at 80 percent for extended periods of time. We
motor out from the dock for 5 or 10 minutes, set the sails and
shut down the engine. We get a fairly heavy blue smoke when
the engine is cold.
Question; is there any way to get rid of the glazing short
tearing down the engine?
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland, Or
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Stus-List cheap hatch leak fix
My 47 year old original hatches will sometimes leak around the screws. I have been sealing them with Creeping Crack Cure to good effect, but one corner of one hatch just would not quit dripping. I just happened to have some Liquid Rubber for electrical connections sitting around and had an idea. I painted a thin line on the leaky corner and problem solved! It doesn't even look too horrible on the black hatch frame. I am not sure I would do this on a new-ish hatch, but if yours are due for new glass anyway this seems to be a decent stop-gap. Joe Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List java updates
My son's laptop dual boots to Windows 7 and Linux Mint. The various Linux installers will see Windows already there and ask if you want to do a dual-boot install. Adobe has Linux versions of their software and Mint comes with LibreOffice. LibreOffice can be set to save in Microsoft Office formats if desired> my son's school uses the latest Microsoft Office that uses .DOCX format and our old Office didn't deal with it very well, so I loaded up the LibreOffice version for Windows for free that works just fine for the Windows machine :) See http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbowman/2014/05/12/windows-xp-is-extinct-so -why-are-so-many-companies-still-on-it/ for XP security issues. As for Ubuntu vs. Mint, under the hood they are pretty much the same. I like Mint because if I give to someone used to Windows the menus are close enough that they don't need much, if any, help with it. Only tricky thing I have found in the various Linux platforms is setting up printers isn't always obvious. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight via CnC-List Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:25 AM To: 'Della Barba, Joe'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List java updates If I install any Linux based OS is that equivalent to reformatting the hard drive. I mean will I lose my MS Office applications and adobe etc if I do that. If I make a separate partition for the Linux OS will I be able to access applications in the Windows XP partition with it? I have lots of hard drive space available. What is the difference between Linux mint versions and Ubuntu? I do important things like banking on my ipad or iphone using iOS7 but I do most email and surfing on my XP machine. I like a full size QWERTY keypad for typing and I like my large monitor and wired mouse control. Is anyone aware of any reports of people getting hacked because they are still using Windows XP? I know quite a few internet users who are still running on Windows XP and personally I have not heard of any issues yet. I update my anti virus software regularly and that software tells me that I am protected and I do full systems scans every day, does that help at all? Marek, do you know if I will affect anything by uninstalling all java programs using add/remove from control panel? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: May 15, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List java updates As an IT pro I would strongly suggest not having an XP machine exposed to the internet. If you don't want to spend $ for Microsoft I have good luck with this OS. It is free and much easier to use than Windows 8 :) http://www.linu xmint.com/ Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List java updates I am still running windows xp sp3 and I recall reading somewhere to avoid Java updates because that might be a source of attack on machines using xp now that Microsoft has stopped supporting that operating system. I like windows xp and I am familiar with using it after so many years: I don't want to change yet but when my computer bites the dust. Right now it is more than adequate for my needs, fast and stable. I continue to receive notices about Java updates but so far I have cancelled all without downloading. Can anyone here advise on that.I am not sure why I need Java but I have Javascript.I do not believe these are the same _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: May 15, 2014 9:50 AM To: Graham Collins; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List help Us Niagara 26 owners never go away even when our boats change ... From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:33 PM To: Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List help I know Dan, he is very dapper. And his writing of the log while commodore was first rate... so I guess Rich is correct. Welcome aboard Dan, wasn't sure your intentions when you sold the Niagara... Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2014-05-14 5:00 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Rich - did you just call Dan a "dressy scribe"?! :^) Go to http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com and follow the instructions for changing your email address; or unsubscribe and *re-subscribe* with the new email address. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38)
Re: Stus-List Distance to maneuver to exit and enter slip
My new spot has about 300% at least, but my old slip was maybe 150% at best, Normally it was no issue, but I had to go north to get out and if the wind was heavy from the south it could be a little tricky. As for small powerboats, the ones I have had actually didn't steer all that well at idle speed and in neutral they barely steered at all. The I/O or outboard makes a poor rudder. Joe Della Barba COQUINA j...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June
I am on a 2 week cruise with 3 13 year olds. Keeping me busy. Watched the Bermuda race plot from an undisclosed location with no windows. Pure torture. Joe Coquina Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2014, at 18:43, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > > List seemed to be working fine those days. I decided to sell Touché. Offered > it for sale for > $6500 on the 15th. Another lister snapped it up on the 16th. > > NOT! Guess everybody was just doing other stuff. > > Dennis C. > Touché 35-1 #83 (not for sale) > Mandeville, LA > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> No posts most of 15th and all of 16th June? Or did the list go down? >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June
Coquina spent about 10 years on the Magothy. Many many memories of broad creek. I am up the Corsica for 2 weeks now. Joe Coquina ex Magothy River ex Severn River now Kent Island Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2014, at 19:48, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > > Was on the boat Friday till this afternoon. No WiFi at my marina. > > Spectacular weekend of sailing in a "new to me" sailing venue; Saturday I met > new friends visiting from Georgia, sailing in 14 to 25 knots making 7.3 > upwind and down. The next day, got my AC working, sailed flat water w 6 knots > wind, overnighted with the admiral at anchor, sunset dinner. Counting stars > and sipping wine until the moon rose from behind the treelined shore. > The third day my daughter joined us and we sailed to a different little cove > and went swimming. Many great memories, many wonderful first impressions of > the Magothy River. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:12:04 PM > Subject: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June > > No posts most of 15th and all of 16th June? Or did the list go down? > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June
Very different Corsica is very dark and silent right now. Occasional peacock and owl calls is it. Joe Coquina 35 Mk I Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2014, at 21:25, Chuck S wrote: > > Hi Joe, > So glad I made this move and my wife is liking the change too. I hear > wonderful things about Corsica River, but first I must explore Magothy. So > many hidden coves and creeks, so little time > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:55:46 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June > > Coquina spent about 10 years on the Magothy. Many many memories of broad > creek. I am up the Corsica for 2 weeks now. Joe Coquina ex Magothy River ex > Severn River now Kent Island > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 17, 2014, at 19:48, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > > Was on the boat Friday till this afternoon. No WiFi at my marina. > > Spectacular weekend of sailing in a "new to me" sailing venue; Saturday I met > new friends visiting from Georgia, sailing in 14 to 25 knots making 7.3 > upwind and down. The next day, got my AC working, sailed flat water w 6 knots > wind, overnighted with the admiral at anchor, sunset dinner. Counting stars > and sipping wine until the moon rose from behind the treelined shore. > The third day my daughter joined us and we sailed to a different little cove > and went swimming. Many great memories, many wonderful first impressions of > the Magothy River. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:12:04 PM > Subject: Stus-List What happened 15th 16th June > > No posts most of 15th and all of 16th June? Or did the list go down? > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List 4th of July
Coquina right now plans to go to CRYC for picnic and then Greys Inn creek to watch fireworks. We will go to Swan Creek Sat morning. Joe Coquina > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 4th of July
I learned the way in back in the 70s. Think I still know it. I used to run the entrance in pitch dark too. Had good night vision then :) Sent from my iPhonen > On Jun 19, 2014, at 19:44, Chuck S wrote: > > Funny. > I couldn't have moved to Broad Creek without GPS. The channel gets narrow > in places and they are unmarked. I'm still learning the land reference > points, and GPS makes it so easy to avoid the shallows, I'd hate to be > without it. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "Joe Della Barba" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:28:01 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List 4th of July > > Joe, you should go to Swan Creek for the Rock Hall fireworks on the 3rd and > then Greys Inn Creek! One year we did Swan Creek, St. Michaels Baltimore and > Gibson Island and managed to catch the shows each night. This year we're > planning to be in Solomon's for the 4th. We'll have to get together at Reed > Creek one weekend with Chuck Schaefer so he can show me the way in. Depth > sounder stops working when I start the motor. Haven't run aground yet but > it's only a matter of time. > > Chris Price > Pradel > > P.S are you in charge of the Corsica Race again? Had fun last year. > > From: "Joe Della Barba via CnC-List" > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:11:11 PM > Subject: Stus-List 4th of July > > > Coquina right now plans to go to CRYC for picnic and then Greys Inn creek to > watch fireworks. We will go to Swan Creek Sat morning. > Joe > Coquina > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35-1 for sale in maryland
Spend 15k on a new 30 hp diesel and sell boat for $16k :( Joe Coquina C&C 35 Mk I Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 23, 2014, at 20:22, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > > http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/4527680223.html > > Dennis C. > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List getting seasick
I have had flight students use electric wrist band to good effect. Most seasick drugs not approved for flight. One of my dogs got very sick first time out and threw up on my wife :( I taught her to look at the horizon and she is never sick again. You could see her tail go when I pointed where to look "thanks master this is a relief". Joe Coquina Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2014, at 13:54, Danny Haughey via CnC-List > wrote: > > My wife swears by ginger. Ginger candy, ginger snaps, ginger this, ginger > that. Always has it on board. > > Danny > > > From my Android phone > > > Original message > From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List > Date: 06/24/2014 10:21 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List getting seasick > > > PS. I've heard about Ginger but never tried it. Has anyone ever tried > Pickled Ginger, like for Sushi? I always keep that on board, but in > those rare moments of seasick don't want to experiment. (Especially when > single handing.) > > Wal > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Signet SL 172 Depth Gauge
Coquina is on about the 4th or 5th depth finder with the 200 KHz transducer that was installed the first time we hauled out after we bought her in 1977. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina C&C 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:21 PM To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Signet SL 172 Depth Gauge My Coastal Navigator DDS 200 depth gauge which is no longer in business seems to have retired itself. I'm thinking the instrument itself has gone bad, not the transducer. We just had the boat out of the water in April for fresh bottom paint, so I really don't want to pull her out again to replace the transducer. I'm hoping the existing transducer will work with a new depth gauge instrument such as a Signet SL172 depth gauge. I talked to Signet and they believe it should work, as most transducers operate on 200 kHz. Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with replacing their depth gauge using the existing transducer, what kind did you use, and did it work ok? I'm thinking about the Signet Gauge to match the existing knot log, wind speed, and apparent wind indicator, which are all Signet. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad 81' CnC 36 Seattle Sent from my iPad ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Compare the following prices: New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least double if not triple. Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile <http://www.ryanbeckett.com/sothebys.jpg> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20
35 VOLTS? Is your boat a 32 volt boat Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:04 PM To: C&C List Subject: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20 On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour, Wa last night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for suggestions of diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same before and after tightening... About 35 volts. About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and other connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue because as I previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I have the faint glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too. I have a heart interface "incharge " alternator regulator. Any other suggestions? Thanks Kevin Sent from my Tablet ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John _ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Best one I got was a WARNING KEY WEST MARINA ROBBERY email. It was a warning from a guy who was asked to rub suntan lotion on two very attractive girls wandering local marina. While he was doing this, their accomplice stole his wallet from his car. He said he got robbed Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday last week and Wednesday this week. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:36 AM To: iceboa...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin the funny thing is that they even left the "stus-list" in the subject. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Price via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> " mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> " mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:05:18 -0500 Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John _ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores
The VERY best scores for sailors are - of course - dumpster scores :) I found two excellent winch handles on top of the dumpster in Annapolis. A little WD-40 freed up the plastic handle part and they are good as new. Next to the Rock Hall dumpster I got a 4 foot antenna extension that looked new. Next to my marina dumpster I got a really nice metal safety 5 gallon gas can NEVER BEEN USED. It was dry and had no gas smell at all inside of it. I got a starting battery from our recycle pile that was made in 1990, thrown on the pile in 1993, and worked fine until about 2001. Gel cells last a long time :) I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large Bimini top made out of dark blue Sunbrella that still had the new cloth smell. I have no idea why anyone would throw this away. WTF?? It looks like it was never even put up once and it is huge. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fleebay Scores eBay is an auction site where anyone can list anything.. So it's random. I have had some great deals on both new an old stuff. For sailing stuff don't forget to look for for the ebay UK site it seems to have a lot more 'Specialist" stuff as they call it. Shipping from the UK has not been a problem so far. Usually, I find the stuff that's perfect, priced right, and ready to go when I'm least prepared to spend the dough,,, Amazon is great too, so is Craigslist, etc. I also have a list of web sites and addresses specialized in used boating / sailing equipment if anyone is interested. And oh.., Don't forget marina flee markets and swap meets. I made out like a bandit last year picking up (Among other things) a very lightly used spinnaker that's an almost perfect fit for Take Five for 100.00 Bucks. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Ga ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot b
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, becaus
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
You are welcome to use my mooring if I am not on it. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I j...@dellabarba.com From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:20 PM To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends. My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing close to Broad Creek. We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cn
Re: Stus-List binnacle light
You need to fix the light. An external light will have all kinds of reflections. The wire is prone to chafe on the steering cables and where it goes into the compass. It is pretty much a trace it back to the start from the compass end and see what the problem is operation. Dumb question – did you measure the voltage or is there a chance the bulb died? Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List binnacle light There is no power to my binnacle light. I've tried every breaker and switch. No luck. I can either trace the wiring back to the breaker or put a red LED in the navpod above the compass. Suggestions? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)
Some of it is a chicken-and-egg thing. The last time we had a boat that drew less than 5 feet was around 1973, so I have very little memory of anchoring in places 4 feet deep. If you always had a 7 foot draft boat then you never went anyplace 6 feet deep. If you change from shallow to deep then you suddenly can’t go places that you are used to going. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
