Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

IMHO, Perko chrome plated brass won't hold up in saltwater. Their stuff looks 
good in the store but pits terribly once on the boat. 
I'd look for stainless. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Rick Brass" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:56:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler 

My bow lights are Perko. Don't know if they still make that exact light. This 
looks close: 
http://www.perko.com/catalog/navigation_lights_under_20_meters/7/side_lights/ . 
Lenses are available 

Joel 

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014, Rick Brass via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 





Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights and 
stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red and green 
bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it 
is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on each end) was 
about $5 or $6. 



The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the green 
lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light transmission and 
meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a 
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the green lens. 



I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light so 
close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
tricolor light at the top of the mast for use when offshore. 



I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old 
light fixtures available somewhere. 





Rick Brass 

Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 

Washington, NC 








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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler 





Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running lights, 
circa 1981? Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I see on 
internet? 


Bill Walker 


Evening Star 


CnC 36 








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Stus-List Running Lights

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.

Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
really confused!

 

Regards,

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights and 
stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red and green 
bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it 
is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on each end) was 
about $5 or $6.

 

The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the green 
lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light transmission and 
meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a 
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the green lens.

 

I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light so 
close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.

 

I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old 
light fixtures available somewhere.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running lights, 
circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I see on 
internet?

Bill Walker

Evening Star

CnC 36

 

 

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Stus-List In hull side lights

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

In hull flush mount side lights are made by Seadog or Whitecap.  Seadog
make an LED version.

http://www.sea-dog.com/categories/lighting/side-lights

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=13496

Dennis C.


On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My bow lights are Perko. Don't know if they still make that exact light.
> This looks close:
> http://www.perko.com/catalog/navigation_lights_under_20_meters/7/side_lights/.
> Lenses are available
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running
>> lights and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and
>> the red and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the
>> stern light (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has
>> pointy contacts on each end) was about $5 or $6.
>>
>>
>>
>> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard
>> to come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the
>> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light
>> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the
>> light generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes
>> through the green lens.
>>
>>
>>
>> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a
>> light so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5
>> mile tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s
>> eye) running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy
>> after 38 years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement
>> for the old light fixtures available somewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2
>>
>> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
>> *To:* Rick Brass via CnC-List
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running
>> lights, circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I
>> see on internet?
>>
>> Bill Walker
>>
>> Evening Star
>>
>> CnC 36
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old fixtures 
would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole unit, both bulb 
and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a long period there 
were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval process was long and 
involved and many companies did not want to expend the $ or effort…

 

So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole fixture 
was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the incident] might 
liability fall differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming with any 
coverage? 

 

Any current thoughts?  

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights

 

Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.

Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
really confused!

 

Regards,

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights and 
stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red and green 
bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it 
is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on each end) was 
about $5 or $6.

 

The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the green 
lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light transmission and 
meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a 
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the green lens.

 

I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light so 
close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.

 

I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old 
light fixtures available somewhere.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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wwadjo...@aol.com   via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running lights, 
circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I see on 
internet?

Bill Walker

Evening Star

CnC 36

 

 

Sent from my HTC

 

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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If I remember correctly (and this is based on reading only), the Nav lights are 
Coast Guard certified only if the light and the bulb are certified. If you 
replace the bulb with anything else (other than what the light was certified 
with), you, at least theoretically, lose the certification of the light. 

One might question if the light needs to be certified or even what is better, a 
certified light or the light that is visible for a greater distance. But as 
someone pointed out, if you are in a collision or in any situation where 
lawyers might get involved (this is not a shot at the lawyers (;-)), you may 
prefer to have a certified light.

Having said that, I admit that I replaced all my navigation lights with LEDs. I 
find that it is more important that they work than if they are fully certified. 
In my case I used a white light LEDs, because I have a combination green/red 
light on the bow.

Possibly, it is worth its while to use the high quality LEDs and pay a bit more 
of a premium for the Nav lights, since there are not that many (maximum 5).

just an opinion

Marek
in Ottawa

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights

Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.

Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
really confused!

 

Regards,

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights and 
stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red and green 
bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it 
is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on each end) was 
about $5 or $6.

 

The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the green 
lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light transmission and 
meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a 
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the green lens.

 

I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light so 
close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.

 

I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old 
light fixtures available somewhere.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running lights, 
circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I see on 
internet?

Bill Walker

Evening Star

CnC 36

 

 

Sent from my HTC

 




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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

And one other thing to consider, as well: although the “teardrop” style 
sidelights on our older boats are grandfathered in, any navigation lights below 
deck level are no longer considered by the Coast Guard to comply with regs.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 30, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> If I remember correctly (and this is based on reading only), the Nav lights 
> are Coast Guard certified only if the light and the bulb are certified. If 
> you replace the bulb with anything else (other than what the light was 
> certified with), you, at least theoretically, lose the certification of the 
> light.
>  
> One might question if the light needs to be certified or even what is better, 
> a certified light or the light that is visible for a greater distance. But as 
> someone pointed out, if you are in a collision or in any situation where 
> lawyers might get involved (this is not a shot at the lawyers (;-)), you may 
> prefer to have a certified light.
>  
> Having said that, I admit that I replaced all my navigation lights with LEDs. 
> I find that it is more important that they work than if they are fully 
> certified. In my case I used a white light LEDs, because I have a combination 
> green/red light on the bow.
>  
> Possibly, it is worth its while to use the high quality LEDs and pay a bit 
> more of a premium for the Nav lights, since there are not that many (maximum 
> 5).
>  
> just an opinion
>  
> Marek
> in Ottawa

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Re: Stus-List Running Lights - LED's

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

FYI, I've bought LED bulbs from http://store.marinebeam.com/ and have been
very satisfied.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

HI Guys, Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard 
documented vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller 
and buyer reside in Massachusetts? What are the sales tax requirements?  the 
coastguard site does not seem to mention sales tax in the instructions I found 
on line. http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf Any insights would 
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Danny — the Coast Guard has nothing to do with sales tax; that’s strictly a 
state issue.  You’ll need to talk with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts about 
that.  As far as the documentation goes, the seller should be able to initiate 
the transfer process with the National Vessel Documentation Center; you could 
call them, but they don’t take calls on Thursday.  Go figure… (I just tried to 
reach them about my documentation).

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
wrote:

> HI Guys,
>  
> Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented 
> vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer 
> reside in Massachusetts?
>  
> What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to 
> mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.
>  
> http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
>  
> Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!
>  
> Danny
> westport point, MA

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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachusetts

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Unfortunately they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will find
out from USCG that you bought a boat and want whatever MA state sales tax is
on the purchase price. USCG has nothing to do with the tax, other than
letting MA know that a transaction happened.

 

So, Pay till it hurts!

(Or register it in RI like Kerry)

 

Bill  Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
Massachuse tts

 

HI Guys,

 

Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented
vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer
reside in Massachusetts?

 

What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to
mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.

 

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf

 

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Danny

westport point, MA

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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

HA!  I will pass on the RI comment!  LOL Yea I just can't remember how it 
worked when I bought Lolita... I'm actually trying to help a woman that wants 
to buy my boat with information about the transfer. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in 
Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:11:49 -0400


Unfortunately they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will find 
out from USCG that you bought a boat and want whatever MA state sales tax is on 
the purchase price. USCG has nothing to do with the tax, other than letting MA 
know that a transaction happened.
 
So, Pay till it hurts!
(Or register it in RI like Kerry)
 
Bill  Coleman
C&C 39
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in 
Massachuse tts
 
HI Guys,
 
Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented 
vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer 
reside in Massachusetts?
 
What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to 
mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.
 
http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
 
Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!
 
Danny
westport point, MA
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Stus-List SAVE THE DATE -- 2015 C&C Northeast Rendezvous

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Thank you for all your input — I’m proud to announce the dates of the 
2015 C&C Northeast Rendezvous in Long Island Sound — September 11-13, 2015

We’ll have a private dock at Cedar Island Marina in Clinton, CT 
(http://www.cedarislandmarina.com). Discounted rate. Floating docks. Side 
tie-ups. 8’+ depth. Power. Water. Facilities include showers, recreation area, 
playground, pool, hot tub, rec room, onsite waterfront dining, ship’s store, 
mechanics, and more. 
We’ll have a significant other shopping shuttle to the Clinton Crossing Premium 
Outlet Mall.
We’ll have a DIY Diesel Engine Maintenance Seminar.
We’ll have cocktail hours, group dinners and oodles of social time. 
Coming from western LI Sound? We’re planning a pre-rendezvous rendezvous in 
Milford followed by a Friday fun-race to Clinton. 
Possible surprise guest. 

Details will be coming over the upcoming months including registration 
and added events. 

SAVE THE DATES now. As the cold air comes in, enjoy the “warmth” of 
knowing a spectacular C&C summer event is on the horizon. 

www.cnc2015.com  (official rendezvous website)

Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Please feel free to email me at 
e...@schillay.com. Hailing frequencies are open. On screen. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Running lights that meet the criteria prescribed by the USCG are mandated for 
original equipment installation by the boat manufacturer. As an owner, you can 
use any bulb or fixture you chose – with the provision that your choice must 
meet or exceed the requirements of the ColRegs for visibility.

 

When I put the 5 mile tri-color at the masthead of Imzadi, I called Hella about 
whether I would meet USCG requirements if I used an LED instead of the 
incandescent bulb that came in the fixture. Hella told me that USCG does not do 
any testing, approval, or certification of lights. The lights are more properly 
labeled that they “meet the requirements of” USCG  requirement so-and-so. Like 
life jackets, they may have an approval number, which shows that the proper 
documentation has been filed with the USCG.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights

 

If I remember correctly (and this is based on reading only), the Nav lights are 
Coast Guard certified only if the light and the bulb are certified. If you 
replace the bulb with anything else (other than what the light was certified 
with), you, at least theoretically, lose the certification of the light. 

 

One might question if the light needs to be certified or even what is better, a 
certified light or the light that is visible for a greater distance. But as 
someone pointed out, if you are in a collision or in any situation where 
lawyers might get involved (this is not a shot at the lawyers (;-)), you may 
prefer to have a certified light.

 

Having said that, I admit that I replaced all my navigation lights with LEDs. I 
find that it is more important that they work than if they are fully certified. 
In my case I used a white light LEDs, because I have a combination green/red 
light on the bow.

 

Possibly, it is worth its while to use the high quality LEDs and pay a bit more 
of a premium for the Nav lights, since there are not that many (maximum 5).

 

just an opinion

 

Marek

in Ottawa

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Subject: Stus-List Running Lights

 

Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.

Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
really confused!

 

Regards,

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights and 
stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red and green 
bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it 
is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on each end) was 
about $5 or $6.

 

The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the green 
lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light transmission and 
meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a 
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the green lens.

 

I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light so 
close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.

 

I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old 
light fixtures available somewhere.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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wwadjo...@aol.com   via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler

 

Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running lights, 
circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I see on 
internet?

Bill Walker

Evening Star

CnC 36

 

 

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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The coast guard doesn't collect the taxes; just the documentation change fee
and any fees involved in registering the lien if there is a mortgage on the
boat. The documentation change fee used to be $90, but I seem to recall it
was going up to something like $125.

 

If the sale is through a broker, the broker should collect the sales tax. If
between individuals, ask your state DMV or DNR (whomever would issue a title
for the boat if one is needed) and they can tell you about the "use tax" for
a private sale.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
Massachuse tts

 

HI Guys,

 

Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented
vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer
reside in Massachusetts?

 

What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to
mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.

 

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf

 

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Danny

westport point, MA

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Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

In Washington state you still need to register your boat and pay the sales tax 
and annual vessel registration fee.  If documented you don't need to display 
the state number on the bow, but do need a current state sticker on each side 
of the boat (we put them on either side of the mast).  Ymmv state to state.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Once the USCG documents and/or re-documents (in the case of sale or change
of ownership) a vessel for a new owner the documentation team sends notice
of the new ownership to the tax commissioner and/tax assessor in the City
and/or County of the boat's hailing port. In most cases this is the owner's
home address or lawyer's office if documented in a Corporate name in low
tax state as in say Delaware.

My 39 TM is documented and the home port is Miami as that is where the
Seventh District Coast Guard is located, however the hailing port on the
transom is Savannah, GA so the notice of ownership was sent by the USCG to
the Tax Commissioner of Chatham County and they have been taxing me since
1975

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
C&C 39TM
HONEY
US12788

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In Washington state you still need to register your boat and pay the sales
> tax and annual vessel registration fee.  If documented you don't need to
> display the state number on the bow, but do need a current state sticker on
> each side of the boat (we put them on either side of the mast).  Ymmv state
> to state.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
There is no such animal as a "USCG
  approved navigation light. The USCG does not have a department
  that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD)  is certified, it
  is certified by the manufacturer to meet or exceed
  the USCG requirements. When a manufacturer certifies a nav light,
  it certifies the whole fixture including the lightbulb within. You
  cannot legally even replace the original bulb with one from
  another source, even if it has the same specs and part number. It
  HAS to come from the company that made the fixture, or the whole
  thing becomes not certified. Just the same, in the highly unlikely
  event that your nav light becomes central to a case being heard in
  admiralty court, you and your lawyer can always provide evidence
  that your light meets the coast guard requirements, even though
  YOU are the one certifying it. Kerosene lanterns that are over 100
  years old can be perfectly legal as nav lights, even though they
  pre-date the colregs. They just have to meet or exceed the USCG
  requirements for color, visibility, etc. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  
  
  On 10/30/2014 9:53 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  
  
And
then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs
in old fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many
said no as the whole unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be
certified.  And that was why for a long period there were so
few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval process
was long and involved and many companies did not want to
expend the $ or effort…
 
So,
if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the
whole fixture was not in compliance [and lights were
relevant to the incident] might liability fall differently
and insurance companies not be forthcoming with any
coverage? 
 
Any
current thoughts?  
 

  
From:
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
  Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
  

 
Now
this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward
running lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then
someone, I think at the boat show, or maybe in one of the
boat magazines, said you had to have white coming through a
colored lens, so I changed back to white.
Now
my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and
now I am really confused!
 

  Regards,
   
  Bill
  Coleman
  C&C
  39

 

  
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On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet
Traveler
  

 
Four
or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing
running lights and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got
them from Dr. LED and the red and green bulbs were about $10
or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light (I think it is
called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts
on each end) was about $5 or $6.
 
The
bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort
of hard to come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a
green bulb behind the green lens and a red bulb behind the
red lens to get maximum light transmission and meet the USCG
2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light generated by a
white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the
green lens.
 
I
asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no
point on a light so close to the surface. As part of the
mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile tricolor  light at the
top of the mast for use when offshore.
 
I
recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them
as cat’s eye) running lights on my bow are beginning to
corrode and look shoddy after 38 years of service. I, too,
wonder if there is a direct replacement for the old light
fixtures available somewhere.
 
 

Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
You cannot document the vessel until
  you can provide proof that you have done all the legal stuff and
  taxes for Massachusetts first. Documentation is an entirely
  separate operation. In Connecticut, you do state registration and
  pay the taxes and fees for that before you start the process for
  documentation with the USCG. People twist themselves into knots
  over this stuff, but if you simply go one step at a time, and read
  the instructions, there is nothing mysterious or difficult about
  any of it. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 10/30/2014 11:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:


  HA!  I will pass on the RI comment!  LOL
   
  Yea I just can't remember how it worked when I bought
Lolita...
   
  I'm actually trying to help a woman that wants to buy my boat
with information about the transfer.
   
  Danny
  

-- Original Message --
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of
ownership in Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:11:49 -0400



  Unfortunately
  they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will
  find out from USCG that you bought a boat and want
  whatever MA state sales tax is on the purchase price. USCG
  has nothing to do with the tax, other than letting MA know
  that a transaction happened.
   
  So,
  Pay till it hurts!
  (Or
  register it in RI like Kerry)
   
  Bill
   Coleman
  C&C
  39
   
  
From: CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
  Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59
AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation
and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts
  
   
  
HI Guys,
  
  
 
  
  
Can anyone shed any light on what is
  necessary when a coastguard documented vessel changes
  hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and
  buyer reside in Massachusetts?
  
  
 
  
  
What are the sales tax requirements?
   the coastguard site does not seem to mention sales tax in
  the instructions I found on line.
  
  
 
  
  
http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
  
  
 
  
  
Any insights would be greatly
  appreciated!!
  
  
 
  
  
Danny
  
  
westport point, MA
  




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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Here is the link:

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/

Joel

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  You cannot document the vessel until you can provide proof that you have
> done all the legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first. Documentation
> is an entirely separate operation. In Connecticut, you do state
> registration and pay the taxes and fees for that before you start the
> process for documentation with the USCG. People twist themselves into knots
> over this stuff, but if you simply go one step at a time, and read the
> instructions, there is nothing mysterious or difficult about any of it.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
> On 10/30/2014 11:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
>
> HA!  I will pass on the RI comment!  LOL
>
> Yea I just can't remember how it worked when I bought Lolita...
>
> I'm actually trying to help a woman that wants to buy my boat with
> information about the transfer.
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> 
> To:  
> Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
> Massachusetts
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:11:49 -0400
>
>  Unfortunately they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will
> find out from USCG that you bought a boat and want whatever MA state sales
> tax is on the purchase price. USCG has nothing to do with the tax, other
> than letting MA know that a transaction happened.
>
>
>
> So, Pay till it hurts!
>
> (Or register it in RI like Kerry)
>
>
>
> Bill  Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Danny Haughey via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
> Massachuse tts
>
>
>
> HI Guys,
>
>
>
> Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard
> documented vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both
> seller and buyer reside in Massachusetts?
>
>
>
> What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to
> mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.
>
>
>
> http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
>
>
>
> Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> westport point, MA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I think you just send in the bill of sale:

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/forms/cg1340.pdf

Joel

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Joel Aronson 
wrote:

> Here is the link:
>
> http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>  You cannot document the vessel until you can provide proof that you
>> have done all the legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first.
>> Documentation is an entirely separate operation. In Connecticut, you do
>> state registration and pay the taxes and fees for that before you start the
>> process for documentation with the USCG. People twist themselves into knots
>> over this stuff, but if you simply go one step at a time, and read the
>> instructions, there is nothing mysterious or difficult about any of it.
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2014 11:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> HA!  I will pass on the RI comment!  LOL
>>
>> Yea I just can't remember how it worked when I bought Lolita...
>>
>> I'm actually trying to help a woman that wants to buy my boat with
>> information about the transfer.
>>
>> Danny
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>> 
>> To:  
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
>> Massachusetts
>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:11:49 -0400
>>
>>  Unfortunately they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will
>> find out from USCG that you bought a boat and want whatever MA state sales
>> tax is on the purchase price. USCG has nothing to do with the tax, other
>> than letting MA know that a transaction happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, Pay till it hurts!
>>
>> (Or register it in RI like Kerry)
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill  Coleman
>>
>> C&C 39
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Danny Haughey via
>> CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
>> Massachuse tts
>>
>>
>>
>> HI Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard
>> documented vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both
>> seller and buyer reside in Massachusetts?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem
>> to mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> westport point, MA
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I have to say, I remember it being a very easy process when I bought Lolita.  
The broker did it in his office, on his computer in like 15 minutes and said, " 
write a check for $75..."  (or whatever the fee was)  Then the cert came in the 
mail!  I can't remember anything else I did in that regard.

-- Original Message --
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To: Bill Bina , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse 
tts
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:36:26 -0400


Here is the link: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/ Joel
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List  
wrote:
You cannot document the vessel until you can provide proof that you have done 
all the legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first. Documentation is an 
entirely separate operation. In Connecticut, you do state registration and pay 
the taxes and fees for that before you start the process for documentation with 
the USCG. People twist themselves into knots over this stuff, but if you simply 
go one step at a time, and read the instructions, there is nothing mysterious 
or difficult about any of it. 
 
Bill Bina
 
 On 10/30/2014 11:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:HA!  I will pass on 
the RI comment!  LOL Yea I just can't remember how it worked when I bought 
Lolita... I'm actually trying to help a woman that wants to buy my boat with 
information about the transfer. Danny
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 To: 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in 
Massachusetts
 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:11:49 -0400
 
Unfortunately they all talk to each other now, so at some point MA will find 
out from USCG that you bought a boat and want whatever MA state sales tax is on 
the purchase price. USCG has nothing to do with the tax, other than letting MA 
know that a transaction happened.
 
So, Pay till it hurts!
(Or register it in RI like Kerry)
 
Bill  Coleman
C&C 39
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in 
Massachuse tts
 
HI Guys,
 
Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented 
vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer 
reside in Massachusetts?
 
What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to 
mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.
 
http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf
 
Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!
 
Danny
westport point, MA

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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
I strongly recommend that as a starting
  point, you read the entire FAQ before you begin. Guessing is a
  very risky strategy!  :-) 
  
  http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/nvdcfaq.asp
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 10/30/2014 2:39 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:


  I think you just send in the bill of sale:


Joel
  
  
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Joel
  Aronson 
  wrote:
  
Here is the link:
  
  
  http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/
  
  
  
  Joel


  

  On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31
PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List 
wrote:

  
You cannot document the vessel until you
  can provide proof that you have done all the
  legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first.
  Documentation is an entirely separate
  operation. In Connecticut, you do state
  registration and pay the taxes and fees for
  that before you start the process for
  documentation with the USCG. People twist
  themselves into knots over this stuff, but if
  you simply go one step at a time, and read the
  instructions, there is nothing mysterious or
  difficult about any of it. 
  
  Bill Bina
  

  

  

  


  


  


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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Documenting your vessel with USCG is a LEGAL transaction. 

The doc center wants docs with ORIGINAL signatures.  NO copies!!!

When I was transferring the doc for Touché.  The PO had failed to clear a 
$62,400 mortgage on the boat which he failed to disclose at purchase. The doc 
center refused to accept a copy of his satisfaction of mortgage. 


Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I strongly recommend that as a starting point, you read the entire FAQ before 
> you begin. Guessing is a very risky strategy! :-) 
> 
> http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/nvdcfaq.asp
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 10/30/2014 2:39 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
>> I think you just send in the bill of sale:
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>>> Here is the link:
>>> 
>>> http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/
>>> 
>>> Joel
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
 You cannot document the vessel until you can provide proof that you have 
 done all the legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first. Documentation 
 is an entirely separate operation. In Connecticut, you do state 
 registration and pay the taxes and fees for that before you start the 
 process for documentation with the USCG. People twist themselves into 
 knots over this stuff, but if you simply go one step at a time, and read 
 the instructions, there is nothing mysterious or difficult about any of 
 it. 
 
 Bill Bina
>> 
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Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

it seems my part for selling is easy... WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I SELL MY DOCUMENTED 
VESSEL?When the sale is finalized you may complete a U.S. Coast Guard Bill of 
Sale (CG-1340) or complete the “Sale or Transfer of Vessel” section 
on the reverse of the Certificate of Documentation (CG-1270). Documentation 
forms, fee schedules, and instructions are available for downloading on this 
web site. If there is an outstanding mortgage, the mortgagee ( lender) should 
complete a Satisfaction of Mortgage. The vessel cannot be removed from 
documentation with an outstanding mortgage. Just fill out the reverse side of 
the CG certificate!

-- Original Message --
From: Bill Bina via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse 
tts
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:50:21 -0400


I strongly recommend that as a starting point, you read the entire FAQ before 
you begin. Guessing is a very risky strategy!  :-) 
 
 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/nvdcfaq.asp
 
 Bill Bina
 
 On 10/30/2014 2:39 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:I think you just send in the bill of 
sale: Joel
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
Here is the link: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/ Joel
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Bina via CnC-List  
wrote:
You cannot document the vessel until you can provide proof that you have done 
all the legal stuff and taxes for Massachusetts first. Documentation is an 
entirely separate operation. In Connecticut, you do state registration and pay 
the taxes and fees for that before you start the process for documentation with 
the USCG. People twist themselves into knots over this stuff, but if you simply 
go one step at a time, and read the instructions, there is nothing mysterious 
or difficult about any of it. 
 
 Bill Bina 
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

Bill,

LEDs generate light at a given frequency (color) based on the "impurities" on 
the chip.  Those are carefully controlled impurities; but can not be mixed for 
wide color spectrum.  So a red or green led will be tuned for that color and 
all the power goes into that color. Most likely their bulb is clear to get the 
best efficiency. 

"White" LEDs work differently.  They have a blue/UV LED with yellow phosphor 
coating to make what looks to our eyes as white.  But it does not have as much 
power at red or green as a pure red/green LED for the same input power.

I hope this helps.

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/30/14, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

In addition, the white light gets filtered by the red or green lens, cutting 
out other frequencies (colors).  The power that went into generating the 
unwanted colors is lost.  (Not fully applicable to single 'bulb' tri-color 
lights, there you have to live with the losses)

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/30/14, Leslie Paal via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights
 To: "Bill Coleman" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014, 12:45 PM
 
 Bill,
 
 LEDs generate light at a given frequency
 (color) based on the "impurities" on the chip. 
 Those are carefully controlled impurities; but can not be
 mixed for wide color spectrum.  So a red or green led will
 be tuned for that color and all the power goes into that
 color. Most likely their bulb is clear to get the best
 efficiency. 
 
 "White" LEDs work differently.  They
 have a blue/UV LED with yellow phosphor coating to make what
 looks to our eyes as white.  But it does not have as much
 power at red or green as a pure red/green LED for the same
 input power.
 
 I hope this
 helps.
 
 Leslie.
 
 
 On Thu, 10/30/14, Bill Coleman via CnC-List
 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Stus-List
 Running Lights
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 
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Stus-List Overpriced surveyors

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Roger:

Five (5) years later our boat was surveyed again for insurance 
purposesthe local surveyor was recommended by a fellow C&C 
listerthe day of the survey, I met him at the boat.when he was 
checking the deck, coach roof, topsides, etc.he left the boat and 
went to his car to get another, newer moisture meter...said his old 
one must be wrong as he could not find a wet spot anywhere on a +25 year 
old boat.  He didn't find any wet spots with his new moisture meter.


While he was down in the lazarret taking pictures of everything, 
including the steering system, he had me turn the wheel hard over from 
side to side.when I did it he was yelling at me to do it harder, 
harder.I didn't want to do it harder as I thought I was going to 
break something.  I did it hard enough to satisfy him, he stopped 
yelling at me.  When he crawled out, he said that was the whole point of 
the exerciseto make sure the nothing will break if the wheel 
gets turned over hard.


This surveyor said to me that he never gives a +25 year old boat a 
'clean bill of health'ours was no different.he suggested we 
replace the exhaust hose from the muffler back to the transom. He was 
right.there were wet spots evident from the outside that meant the 
hard wall inside was breaking down.when I took the old hose out I 
cut it open where the wet spots were evident on the outside, the hose 
was breaking down from the inside.


As I said previously, tell me what I need to hear, not what I want to 
hear.e.g. nice gelcoat, nice shine, nice bimini. versus CO leaking 
from a rotten exhaust hose.


This local surveyor is the equivalent of Peter Kronich..he too is a 
naval architect.he built himself an absolutely beautiful 40' sail 
boat.  You would feel confident taking this boat up and down any coast.


Years ago, I hired a surveyor in Toronto to find me a Kirby 25.he 
rejected 8 hulls that he went to see and charged me for one complete 
survey on a boat that in the end, he did not actually survey.  He put me 
in contact with a K25 owner that was thinking of selling his 
boat..the K25 was owned by a co-owner of Bruckmann Yachts in 
Mississauga, Ontario who had the boat completely rebuilt in the 
Bruckmann shop to race it.  It was probably better than it was when new.


We campaigned the K25 for 6 years and, this is too funny, we sold it 
back to the owner we bought it from for the same price we paid for 
it.he missed racing and heard we had put the K25 up for sale and he 
wanted it back.


So I guess you might say I have had good fortune with marine surveyors.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2014/10/29 6:22 PM, Roger Ware wrote:

Rob, you seem to have done well with your Michigan 32 purhase in every
dimension - but particularly impressive was the price of the survey - I had
one done in 2004 that cost about double that and was worth almost nothing.

Roger Ware
Kingston, ON

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: October-28-14 10:36 PM
To: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Overpriced now surveyors

Martin:

We are probably referring to the same surveyor, Peter Knonich (if my
spelling is correct, probably not)...former US Naval Officer, naval
architect. from Sheboygan.  He surveyed our boat in March 2006.  The
seller's broker said he was 'older than dirt' but could 'pick pepper out of
fly s__t'.  The surveyor even went to a sail loft to inventory and inspect
the sails listed which he did not have to do.  I had a good feeling I had
chosen a surveyor that was going to tell me what I needed to hear not what I
wanted to hear.

I traded several emails and spoke with him on the telephone several times.
In very simple terms, he told me that the boat had no significant issues.
As his reputation would have it (pick pepper out of fly s__t) he said a
switch in the engine compartment was missing the red plastic tip.

And I would like to put this out there, there are honest sellers'
broker(s).  The seller's broker in Racine I dealt with would not recommend a
surveyor to me... I admit it, I was stupid and asked him for one..he
refused...said get your own.gave me the website for the US Accredited
Marine Surveyors' looked at those close to Racine and the CV of Peter
Kronich  looked good to me.

When our boat arrived by truck from Racine to Hfx. (actually via Chester
first, don't ask) late on Friday afternoon and I met it and climbed aboard
for the first time, my $350 USD survey fee was well worth it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


4/10/28 2:40 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:

Rob,

If your surveyor "Peter K" was from Sheboygan, he surveyed Calypso before

we made an offer.  He used that line "picking fly sh*t out of pepper" on me
when I interrogated him on several issues / differences between what I
observed during my inspection and

Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

It does.
I think I will now look for a high-lumen Red bulb

Thanks Leslie,

Bill 


-Original Message-
From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:46 PM
To: Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights

Bill,

LEDs generate light at a given frequency (color) based on the "impurities"
on the chip.  Those are carefully controlled impurities; but can not be
mixed for wide color spectrum.  So a red or green led will be tuned for that
color and all the power goes into that color. Most likely their bulb is
clear to get the best efficiency. 

"White" LEDs work differently.  They have a blue/UV LED with yellow phosphor
coating to make what looks to our eyes as white.  But it does not have as
much power at red or green as a pure red/green LED for the same input power.

I hope this helps.

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/30/14, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


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Re: Stus-List One of C&C's initial designs

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Hi John,

Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the creation
of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that *Psyche II*, designed for Bob
Grant, a future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to *Ivanhoe II*
which proceeded *Psyche *by a couple of years. *Ivanhoe II *was design
number 64-4 for Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in aluminium
at Engholm's aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual fact Erich
Bruckmann installed the interior in *Ivanhoe* after he left Metro Marine
and had gone into the kitchen installation business. It was probability the
building the interior on* Ivanhoe* which kept him in the boat business. The
building of the interior at the same time as the hull led to all sorts of
problems with the aluminium welds in the hull, but that's another
story!  *Psyche
*was design number 66-4, and followed the Redwing 30, *Inferno II*, and *Red
Jacket*, and immediately preceded the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45.
Therefore, unlike Ivanhoe, *Psyche* was designed with a separate keel and
rudder. She was also built in aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but
I'm not sure who installed the interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario
Yachts.  *Ivanhoe,* which had a full keel and attached rudder was also
later modified to the separate keel and rudder configuration. Neither boat
was specifically successful on the race course, since the *Ivanhoe* hull
lines preceded *Red Jacket,* and Engholm himself was a tad more
conservative then Perry Connolly in the type of boat he wanted. The
*Ivanhoe/Psyche* "sisters" were part of the transition in yacht design
taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see *Psyche* still looking so
good. A remarkable boat.

Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later
owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed
design responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora
40, I believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C
Custom Sales.

Rob



On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger  wrote:

> The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II:
>
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html
>
> Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and
> sailing characteristics.
>
> Cheers
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands in
>> northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for
>> North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of
>> a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more
>> lead. CN35 Hull #1, *Ca Va*, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to
>> found Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian
>> just passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, Carousel. the first to be
>> built by Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at
>> Ontario Yachts, was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon
>> commission Cuthbertson and Cassian to design a 40 footer named *Red
>> Jacket*. Amazing to see hull #10 available. A truly historic vessel.
>>
>> Rob Mazza
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I thought some of us had "old" boats.  Take a peek at this:
>>>
>>> <
>>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8
>>> >
>>>
>>> Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>
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Stus-List delta marine sidney bc

[jimmy kelly via CnC-List]

have used Delta marine sidney..excellent service...had major rudder work
plus new steering cable...rudder shaft bearings top & bottom redone.
 new system  to lubricate rudder shaft..bottom sanded &repainted   csc
painthull buffed...a few other small itemsall done on time ...no
surprises bill clearly detailed ..and very reasonable for what
done..the current operators at delta marine excellent &
knowledgeable..cannot say the same for canoe cove bunch...who had 2
trys at rudder problems over period of 3 years,  redos lasted a year,  all
i really got was large bills...as a matter of interest of these 2 marinas
 about 2to 3 miles apart canoe cove on the hard stayover winter night rate
is 4 times thunderbird  Delta marine  &twice during summer season night
rateboth yards full service, washing,welding ,mast work, painting
,modern travel lifts,,delta also has mast crane.for mast work...people
should look around before committing to a yardgetting ready to come out
for hull insurance survey&sand &paint one coat csc antifouling...have no
connection to yardbut like good service @ a fair price...some people
feel yard is designed for power yachts  ..not so...for those do it yourself
still more reasonable than local do it your self yard with old travel lift
type equipment...this info primarily for lower vancouver island sailors but
looking around for a good yard to service or assist your now 25 or more
years old c&c yacht  will help the ownership issues
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Check out http://store.marinebeam.com .  I've used them multiple times.
Lots of options.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 30, 2014 9:24 AM, "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>  Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running
> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at
> the boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have
> white coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>
> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am
> really confused!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick
> Brass via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>
>
>
> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights
> and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red
> and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern
> light (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy
> contacts on each end) was about $5 or $6.
>
>
>
> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard
> to come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the
> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light
> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the
> light generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes
> through the green lens.
>
>
>
> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a
> light so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5
> mile tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.
>
>
>
> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat's
> eye) running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy
> after 38 years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement
> for the old light fixtures available somewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2
>
> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *
> wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
> *To:* Rick Brass via CnC-List
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>
>
>
> Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running
> lights, circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I
> see on internet?
>
> Bill Walker
>
> Evening Star
>
> CnC 36
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Strictly speaking, that's not true. You don't need to live with a white LED to 
replace the bayonet mount white incandescent bulb.

When I installed my 5 mile tricolor and anchor light fixture, the guy at the 
LED supplier (as I said, I think it was Dr.LED) asked if I was using a Hella or 
an Aqua Signal light. Seems both use the same white bayonet bulb. But the 
socket is oriented 180 degrees differently in the two fixtures. When my bulb 
came, it had green LEDs behind the green lens, red behind red, and white behind 
white. I think the seller called the Hella vs. Aqua Signal specific bulbs right 
handed and left handed bulbs, but the bulb matches the galore of the LED to the 
lens for maximum light output.

'Couse I had to use a white LED bulb for the anchor light.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 15:54, Leslie Paal via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> In addition, the white light gets filtered by the red or green lens, cutting 
> out other frequencies (colors).  The power that went into generating the 
> unwanted colors is lost.  (Not fully applicable to single 'bulb' tri-color 
> lights, there you have to live with the losses)
> 
> Leslie.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10/30/14, Leslie Paal via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Lights
> To: "Bill Coleman" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014, 12:45 PM
> 
> Bill,
> 
> LEDs generate light at a given frequency
> (color) based on the "impurities" on the chip. 
> Those are carefully controlled impurities; but can not be
> mixed for wide color spectrum.  So a red or green led will
> be tuned for that color and all the power goes into that
> color. Most likely their bulb is clear to get the best
> efficiency. 
> 
> "White" LEDs work differently.  They
> have a blue/UV LED with yellow phosphor coating to make what
> looks to our eyes as white.  But it does not have as much
> power at red or green as a pure red/green LED for the same
> input power.
> 
> I hope this
> helps.
> 
> Leslie.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10/30/14, Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> 
> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Stus-List
> Running Lights
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List One of C&C's initial designs

[henry evans via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,

Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed 
reading your tutorial. 

I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business.  After I and a bunch of others 
left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing which landed me 
in Des Moines, Iowa.  Exiting that business, I bought an Architectural Millwork 
company and two years later a kitchen cabinet manufacturing and remodeling 
company. We ran those two for 20 years, quadrupled their size and sold them to 
retire on our trawler.  And we did a few boat interior remodels as well, both 
power and sail. Our C&C 29 "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, 
in SE Iowa.

We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where Ann has 
been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic.  As I look out into the mooring area I 
can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I.  A few docks is a Landfall 38.  
It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and down the ICW each year. 
 They are still the best looking boats on the water !

Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge,

Hank

 


On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 


Hi John,

Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the creation of 
C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that Psyche II, designed for Bob Grant, a 
future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to Ivanhoe II which 
proceeded Psyche by a couple of years. Ivanhoe II was design number 64-4 for 
Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in aluminium at Engholm's 
aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual fact Erich Bruckmann installed 
the interior in Ivanhoe after he left Metro Marine and had gone into the 
kitchen installation business. It was probability the building the interior 
onIvanhoe which kept him in the boat business. The building of the interior at 
the same time as the hull led to all sorts of problems with the aluminium welds 
in the hull, but that's another story!  Psyche was design number 66-4, and 
followed the Redwing 30, Inferno II, and Red Jacket, and immediately preceded 
the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike
 Ivanhoe, Psyche was designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also 
built in aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed 
the interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts.  Ivanhoe, which had a 
full keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the separate keel and 
rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically successful on the race 
course, since the Ivanhoe hull lines preceded Red Jacket, and Engholm himself 
was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly in the type of boat he wanted. 
The Ivanhoe/Psyche "sisters" were part of the transition in yacht design taking 
place in the 1960s. It's great to see Psyche still looking so good. A 
remarkable boat. 

Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later owned 
a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed design 
responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora 40, I 
believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C Custom Sales. 

Rob




On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger  wrote:

The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II:
>
>
>http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html
>
>
>Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and 
>sailing characteristics.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>
>J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian
Islands in northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified 
for North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of 
a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more 
lead. CN35 Hull #1, Ca Va, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to found 
Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian just passed 
away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, Carousel. the first to be built by Cliff 
Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts, was 
owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon commission Cuthbertson and 
Cassian to design a 40 footer named Red Jacket. Amazing to see hull #10 
available. A truly historic vessel. 
>>
>>
>>Rob Mazza
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>And I thought some of us had "old" boats.  Take a peek at this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe.
>>>
>>>Dennis C.
>>>Touche' 35-1 #83
>>>Mandeville, LA
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

As long as the rules are met nothing is specified in any regs about
incandescent vs LED.  Whether or not an LED will meet the visibility
requirements in a fixture originally made for incandescent bulbs is the
users responsibility to determine.  The manufacturers only test for
compliance using their prescribed bulb so using and LED would no longer be
certified by the manufacturer.

.
Rule 22 - Visibility of Lights Pilot Vessels Return to the top of the page

The lights prescribed in Rules 20-31 shall have an intensity as specified
in [ Section 8 of ] Annex I to these Rules so as to be visible at the
following minimum ranges:

(a) In vessels of 50 meters or more in length:

(i) a masthead light, 6 miles;
(ii) a sidelight, 3 miles;
(iii) a towing light, 3 miles;
(iv) a white red, green or yellow all-round light, 3 miles.
[(v) a special flashing light, 2 miles. ]

(b) In vessels of 12 meters or more in length but less than 50 meters in
length;

(i) a masthead light, 5 miles; except that where the length of the vessel
is less than 20 meters, 3 miles;
(ii) a sidelight, 2 miles;
(iii) a sternlight, 2 miles;
(iv) a towing light, 2 miles;
(v) a white, red, green or yellow all-round light, 2 miles.
[(vi) a special flashing light, 2 miles. ]

(c) In vessels of less than 12 meters in length:

(i) a masthead light, 2 miles;
(ii) a sidelight, 1 miles;
(iii) a towing light, 2 miles;
(iv) a white red, green or yellow all-round light, 2 miles.
[(v) a special flashing light, 2 miles. ]

(d) In inconspicuous, partly submerged vessels or objects being towed;

(i) a white all-round light; 3 miles.
.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 30, 2014 9:53 AM, "Nauset Beach via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old
> fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole
> unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a
> long period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the
> approval process was long and involved and many companies did not want to
> expend the $ or effort...
>
>
>
> So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole
> fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the incident]
> might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming
> with any coverage?
>
>
>
> Any current thoughts?
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Coleman via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Running Lights
>
>
>
> Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running
> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at
> the boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have
> white coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>
> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am
> really confused!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Rick Brass via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>
>
>
> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights
> and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red
> and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern
> light (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy
> contacts on each end) was about $5 or $6.
>
>
>
> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard
> to come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the
> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light
> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the
> light generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes
> through the green lens.
>
>
>
> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a
> light so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5
> mile tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.
>
>
>
> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat's
> eye) running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy
> after 38 years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement
> for the old light fixtures available somewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2
>
> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *wwadjo...@aol.com via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
> *To:* Rick Brass via CnC-List
> *Subject:* Re:

Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in Massachuse tts

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Danny,

 

A Massachusetts purchaser must pay the Sales and Use Tax by the 20th day of
the month following the transaction.  See:
http://www.mass.gov/dor/all-taxes/sales-and-use/boats-recreational-and-snow-
vehicles/

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: Danny Haughey [mailto:djhaug...@juno.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CG Documentation and exchange of ownership in
Massachuse tts

 

HI Guys,

 

Can anyone shed any light on what is necessary when a coastguard documented
vessel changes hands in Massachusetts?  In otherwords both seller and buyer
reside in Massachusetts?

 

What are the sales tax requirements?  the coastguard site does not seem to
mention sales tax in the instructions I found on line.

 

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/instr/inst%20exchange.pdf

 

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Danny

westport point, MA

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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I'm guessing from previous discussions that you 
only need to worry about this USCG reg minutiae 
is if you have a Captain's license. Right?


:)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

If you dream, dream big.
If you can think of a better world you will have a better world.
If pigs could fly imagine how good their wings would taste...



At 06:53 AM 30/10/2014, you wrote:

And then there was the discussion of whether 
putting LED bulbs in old fixtures would be 
compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the 
whole unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be 
certified.  And that was why for a long period 
there were so few USCG approved LED running 
lights; the approval process was long and 
involved and many companies did not want to expend the $ or effort…


So, if an incident were to occur and it was 
discovered that the whole fixture was not in 
compliance [and lights were relevant to the 
incident] might liability fall differently and 
insurance companies not be forthcoming with any coverage?


Any current thoughts?Â

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights

Now this really confuses me, when I first went 
LED on my forward running lights, I replaced 
them with red and green, and then someone, I 
think at the boat show, or maybe in one of the 
boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
Now my port running light is broken, and I am in 
the market, and now I am really confused!


Regards,

Bill Coleman
C&C 39

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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Dan Mccorison via CnC-List]

Your wrong about the lights, as long as it meets coast guard standards for the 
seen per mile required for the size boat, you could make your own lights to 
meet the requirement. And you can replace bulbs and it will still meet the 
requirements. Check with the coast guard..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> There is no such animal as a "USCG approved navigation light. The USCG does 
> not have a department that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD)  is 
> certified, it is certified by the manufacturer to meet or exceed the USCG 
> requirements. When a manufacturer certifies a nav light, it certifies the 
> whole fixture including the lightbulb within. You cannot legally even replace 
> the original bulb with one from another source, even if it has the same specs 
> and part number. It HAS to come from the company that made the fixture, or 
> the whole thing becomes not certified. Just the same, in the highly unlikely 
> event that your nav light becomes central to a case being heard in admiralty 
> court, you and your lawyer can always provide evidence that your light meets 
> the coast guard requirements, even though YOU are the one certifying it. 
> Kerosene lanterns that are over 100 years old can be perfectly legal as nav 
> lights, even though they pre-date the colregs. They just have to meet or 
> exceed the USCG requirements for color, visibility, etc. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/30/2014 9:53 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote:
>> And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old 
>> fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole unit, 
>> both bulb and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a long 
>> period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval 
>> process was long and involved and many companies did not want to expend the 
>> $ or effort…
>>  
>> So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole 
>> fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the 
>> incident] might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be 
>> forthcoming with any coverage?
>>  
>> Any current thoughts? 
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
>> Coleman via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
>>  
>> Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
>> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
>> boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
>> coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
>> really confused!
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Bill Coleman
>> C&C 39
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
>> Brass via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>  
>> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights 
>> and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red 
>> and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light 
>> (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on 
>> each end) was about $5 or $6.
>>  
>> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
>> come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the 
>> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light 
>> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light 
>> generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the 
>> green lens.
>>  
>> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light 
>> so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
>> tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.
>>  
>> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
>> running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
>> years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the 
>> old light fixtures available somewhere.
>>  
>>  
>> Rick Brass
>> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
>> Washington, NC
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>> wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
>> To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>  
>> Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running 
>> lights, circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I 
>> see on internet?
>> Bill Walker
>> Evening Star
>> CnC 36
>>  
>>  
>> Sent 

Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Dan Mccorison via CnC-List]

That saying you can be the manufacture.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> There is no such animal as a "USCG approved navigation light. The USCG does 
> not have a department that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD)  is 
> certified, it is certified by the manufacturer to meet or exceed the USCG 
> requirements. When a manufacturer certifies a nav light, it certifies the 
> whole fixture including the lightbulb within. You cannot legally even replace 
> the original bulb with one from another source, even if it has the same specs 
> and part number. It HAS to come from the company that made the fixture, or 
> the whole thing becomes not certified. Just the same, in the highly unlikely 
> event that your nav light becomes central to a case being heard in admiralty 
> court, you and your lawyer can always provide evidence that your light meets 
> the coast guard requirements, even though YOU are the one certifying it. 
> Kerosene lanterns that are over 100 years old can be perfectly legal as nav 
> lights, even though they pre-date the colregs. They just have to meet or 
> exceed the USCG requirements for color, visibility, etc. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/30/2014 9:53 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote:
>> And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old 
>> fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole unit, 
>> both bulb and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a long 
>> period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval 
>> process was long and involved and many companies did not want to expend the 
>> $ or effort…
>>  
>> So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole 
>> fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the 
>> incident] might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be 
>> forthcoming with any coverage?
>>  
>> Any current thoughts? 
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
>> Coleman via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
>>  
>> Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
>> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
>> boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
>> coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
>> really confused!
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Bill Coleman
>> C&C 39
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
>> Brass via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>  
>> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights 
>> and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red 
>> and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern light 
>> (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy contacts on 
>> each end) was about $5 or $6.
>>  
>> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
>> come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the 
>> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light 
>> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the light 
>> generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes through the 
>> green lens.
>>  
>> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a light 
>> so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I installed a 5 mile 
>> tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when offshore.
>>  
>> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
>> running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
>> years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the 
>> old light fixtures available somewhere.
>>  
>>  
>> Rick Brass
>> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
>> Washington, NC
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>> wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
>> To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>  
>> Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running 
>> lights, circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I 
>> see on internet?
>> Bill Walker
>> Evening Star
>> CnC 36
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my HTC
>>  
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Dan Mccorison via CnC-List]

So you are right on the last part of you statement.

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> On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:59 PM, "Dan Mccorison via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> That saying you can be the manufacture.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:24 PM, "Bill Bina via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no such animal as a "USCG approved navigation light. The USCG does 
>> not have a department that tests products. When a nav light (or a PFD)  is 
>> certified, it is certified by the manufacturer to meet or exceed the USCG 
>> requirements. When a manufacturer certifies a nav light, it certifies the 
>> whole fixture including the lightbulb within. You cannot legally even 
>> replace the original bulb with one from another source, even if it has the 
>> same specs and part number. It HAS to come from the company that made the 
>> fixture, or the whole   thing becomes not certified. Just the same, in 
>> the highly unlikely event that your nav light becomes central to a case 
>> being heard in admiralty court, you and your lawyer can always provide 
>> evidence that your light meets the coast guard requirements, even though YOU 
>> are the one certifying it. Kerosene lanterns that are over 100 years old can 
>> be perfectly legal as nav lights, even though they pre-date the colregs. 
>> They just have to meet or exceed the USCG requirements for color, 
>> visibility, etc. 
>> 
>> Bill Bina
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/30/2014 9:53 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote:
>>> And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old 
>>> fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole 
>>> unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a 
>>> long period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the 
>>> approval process was long and involved and many companies did not want to 
>>> expend the $ or effort…
>>>  
>>> So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole 
>>> fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the incident] 
>>> might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming 
>>> with any coverage?
>>>  
>>> Any current thoughts? 
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
>>> Coleman via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
>>>  
>>> Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
>>> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at 
>>> the boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you 
>>> had to have white coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>>> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
>>> really confused!
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>>  
>>> Bill Coleman
>>> C&C 39
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
>>> Brass via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:49 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>>  
>>> Four or five years ago, I replaced the bulbs in my existing running lights 
>>> and stern lights with LED bulbs. IIRC I got them from Dr. LED and the red 
>>> and green bulbs were about $10 or $11 each, and the bulb for the stern 
>>> light (I think it is called a festoon bulb, a cylinder that has pointy 
>>> contacts on each end) was about $5 or $6.
>>>  
>>> The bulbs in my running lights are a type 90 bulb, which is sort of hard to 
>>> come by anyway. The supplier explained I needed a green bulb behind the 
>>> green lens and a red bulb behind the red lens to get maximum light 
>>> transmission and meet the USCG 2 mile visibility standard. Much of the 
>>> light generated by a white light is apparently absorbed when it goes 
>>> through the green lens.
>>>  
>>> I asked about a 5 mile bulb, but was told that there was no point on a 
>>> light so close to the surface. As part of the mast rebuild, I 
>>> installed a 5 mile tricolor  light at the top of the mast for use when 
>>> offshore.
>>>  
>>> I recently noticed that the teardrop (I kind of think of them as cat’s eye) 
>>> running lights on my bow are beginning to corrode and look shoddy after 38 
>>> years of service. I, too, wonder if there is a direct replacement for the 
>>> old light fixtures available somewhere.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Rick Brass
>>> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
>>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
>>> Washington, NC
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 PM
>>> To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List EasyBlock Mainsheet Traveler
>>>  
>>> Does anyone have source for replacement lens for our teardrop running 
>>> lights, circa 1981?  Orin alternative, experience with replacements(led) I 
>>> see on internet?
>>> Bill Wal

Stus-List USCG Navigation Light certification

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

 § 183.810 Navigation light certification requirements.
 (a) Except as provided by paragraph (b) of this section, each navigation
light must—
 (1) Meet the technical standards of the applicable Navigation Rules;
 (2) Be certified by a laboratory listed by the Coast Guard to the
standards of ABYC A-16 (incorporated by reference, see § 183.5
) or equivalent, although
portable battery-powered lights need only meet the requirements of the
standard applicable to them; and
 (3) Bear a permanent and indelible label that is visible without removing
or disassembling the light and that states the following:
 (i) “USCG Approval 33 CFR 183.810
.”
 (ii) “MEETS___.” (Insert the identification name or number of the standard
under paragraph (a)(2) of this section, to which the laboratory
type-tested.)
 (iii) “TESTED BY___.” (Insert the name or registered certification-mark of
the laboratory listed by the Coast Guard that tested the fixture to the
standard under paragraph (a)(2) of this section.)
 (iv) Name of manufacturer.
 (v) Number of model.
 (vi) Visibility of the light in nautical miles.
 (vii) Date on which the light was type-tested.
 (viii) Identification and specifications of the bulb used in the
compliance test.
 (b) If a light is too small to attach the required label—
 (1) Place the information from the label in or on the package that
contains the light; and
 (2) Mark each light “USCG” followed by the certified range of visibility
in nautical miles (nm), for example, “USCG 2nm”. Once installed, this mark
must be visible without removing the light.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You will find it in Annex I of the 
COLREGS, which you are required to have on your boat if you have a Captain's 
License. And which you probably have on you boat in any event.

33CFR88.05 says: The operator of each self-propelled vessel 12 meters (39.4') 
or more in length shall carry on board and maintain for ready reference a copy 
of the Inland Navigation Rules.

As has been pointed out before, a navigation light is certified by the light 
manufacturer to comply with the USCG requirements. IF YOU MANUFACTURE A BOAT 
FOR SALE IN THE USA YOU MAY ONLY USE A CERTIFIED LIGHT ASSEMBLY. If you are a 
boat owner, or building a boat for your own use, you can use any lighting 
device or bulb you chose, provided that the lights meet the requirements of 
COLREGS RULE 22 (visibility) and RULE 23 (light patterns).

Raise your hand if you have one of the Davis LED anchor lights that plug into a 
cigarette lighter, or a battery operated Perko anchor light you keep as a 
backup. Both meet COLREGS 22 for boats less than 39 feet, but neither are 
certified by the manufacturer. At least mine aren't marked as certified.

I can find no direct reference to the nav lights required in 46CFR Subchapter C 
covering uninspected passenger vessels of less than 100 tons carrying 6 or 
fewer passengers, other than the requirement to comply with COLREGS 22 & 23.

For small inspected passenger vessels up to 100 tons carrying 100 or fewer 
passengers, 46CFR Subchapter T paragraph 183.420 says: All vessels must have 
navigation lights that are in compliance with the applicable sections of the 
International and Inland Navigation rules, except that a vessel of more than 
198 meters (65') in length must also have navigation lights that meet UL 1104 
"Standards for Marine Navigation Lights" or other standard specified by the 
Commandant.

Bottom line is that as a Captain you must comply with the light visibility and 
patterns specified in the COLREGS, and you must have a copy of the current 
COLREGS aboard. 

If you don't have a captain's license and you boat is less than 12 meters you 
must comply with the COLREGS.

And if the boat is over 12 meters you need to comply and carry a copy of the 
COLREGS.

I could not find anything in the 2000+ pages of Federal Regulation I got while 
obtaining my Masters License that indicates you need to use a certified light, 
use the same type of bulb, or buy the same bulb used in building your boat - 
but you must comply with COLREGS 22&23.

Rick Brass

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> On Oct 30, 2014, at 21:38, Russ & Melody via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm guessing from previous discussions that you only need to worry about this 
> USCG reg minutiae is if you have a Captain's license. Right? 
> 
> :)
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
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> If you can think of a better world you will have a better world.
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> 
> 
> 
> At 06:53 AM 30/10/2014, you wrote:
> 
>> And then there was the discussion of whether putting LED bulbs in old 
>> fixtures would be compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as the whole 
>> unit, both bulb and fixture, has to be certified.  And that was why for a 
>> long period there were so few USCG approved LED running lights; the approval 
>> process was long and involved and many companies did not want to expend the 
>> $ or effort…
>>  
>> So, if an incident were to occur and it was discovered that the whole 
>> fixture was not in compliance [and lights were relevant to the incident] 
>> might liability fall differently and insurance companies not be forthcoming 
>> with any coverage? 
>>  
>> Any current thoughts?  
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
>> Coleman via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Running Lights
>>  
>> Now this really confuses me, when I first went LED on my forward running 
>> lights, I replaced them with red and green, and then someone, I think at the 
>> boat show, or maybe in one of the boat magazines, said you had to have white 
>> coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
>> Now my port running light is broken, and I am in the market, and now I am 
>> really confused!
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Bill Coleman
>> C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List USCG Navigation Light certification

[Dan Mccorison via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis

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> On Oct 30, 2014, at 10:43 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> § 183.810 Navigation light certification requirements.
> (a) Except as provided by paragraph (b) of this section, each navigation 
> light must—
> (1) Meet the technical standards of the applicable Navigation Rules;
> (2) Be certified by a laboratory listed by the Coast Guard to the standards 
> of ABYC A-16 (incorporated by reference, see § 183.5) or equivalent, although 
> portable battery-powered lights need only meet the requirements of the 
> standard applicable to them; and
> (3) Bear a permanent and indelible label that is visible without removing or 
> disassembling the light and that states the following:
> (i) “USCG Approval 33 CFR 183.810.”
> (ii) “MEETS___.” (Insert the identification name or number of the standard 
> under paragraph (a)(2) of this section, to which the laboratory type-tested.)
> (iii) “TESTED BY___.” (Insert the name or registered certification-mark of 
> the laboratory listed by the Coast Guard that tested the fixture to the 
> standard under paragraph (a)(2) of this section.)
> (iv) Name of manufacturer.
> (v) Number of model.
> (vi) Visibility of the light in nautical miles.
> (vii) Date on which the light was type-tested.
> (viii) Identification and specifications of the bulb used in the compliance 
> test.
> (b) If a light is too small to attach the required label—
> (1) Place the information from the label in or on the package that contains 
> the light; and
> (2) Mark each light “USCG” followed by the certified range of visibility in 
> nautical miles (nm), for example, “USCG 2nm”. Once installed, this mark must 
> be visible without removing the light.
> 
> Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Running Lights >Approved LED bulbs

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Bravo Rick.

Well stated. In my mind this clears things up very nicely.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

P.S. I'm a bit glad to know you sent us this from 
your iPad, but I don't know why... :)


At 09:14 PM 30/10/2014, you wrote:
The USCG minutia is contained in 33CFR84. You 
will find it in Annex I of the COLREGS, which 
you are required to have on your boat if you 
have a Captain's License. And which you probably have on you boat in any event.


33CFR88.05 says: The operator of each 
self-propelled vessel 12 meters (39.4') or more 
in length shall carry on board and maintain for 
ready reference a copy of the Inland Navigation Rules.


As has been pointed out before, a navigation 
light is certified by the light manufacturer to 
comply with the USCG requirements. IF YOU 
MANUFACTURE A BOAT FOR SALE IN THE USA YOU MAY 
ONLY USE A CERTIFIED LIGHT ASSEMBLY. If you are 
a boat owner, or building a boat for your own 
use, you can use any lighting device or bulb you 
chose, provided that the lights meet the 
requirements of COLREGS RULE 22 (visibility) and RULE 23 (light patterns).


Raise your hand if you have one of the Davis LED 
anchor lights that plug into a cigarette 
lighter, or a battery operated Perko anchor 
light you keep as a backup. Both meet COLREGS 22 
for boats less than 39 feet, but neither are 
certified by the manufacturer. At least mine aren't marked as certified.


I can find no direct reference to the nav lights 
required in 46CFR Subchapter C covering 
uninspected passenger vessels of less than 100 
tons carrying 6 or fewer passengers, other than 
the requirement to comply with COLREGS 22 & 23.


For small inspected passenger vessels up to 100 
tons carrying 100 or fewer passengers, 46CFR 
Subchapter T paragraph 183.420 says: All vessels 
must have navigation lights that are in 
compliance with the applicable sections of the 
International and Inland Navigation rules, 
except that a vessel of more than 198 meters 
(65') in length must also have navigation lights 
that meet UL 1104 "Standards for Marine 
Navigation Lights" or other standard specified by the Commandant.


Bottom line is that as a Captain you must comply 
with the light visibility and patterns specified 
in the COLREGS, and you must have a copy of the current COLREGS aboard.


If you don't have a captain's license and you 
boat is less than 12 meters you must comply with the COLREGS.


And if the boat is over 12 meters you need to 
comply and carry a copy of the COLREGS.


I could not find anything in the 2000+ pages of 
Federal Regulation I got while obtaining my 
Masters License that indicates you need to use a 
certified light, use the same type of bulb, or 
buy the same bulb used in building your boat - 
but you must comply with COLREGS 22&23.


Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 30, 2014, at 21:38, Russ & Melody via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:




I'm guessing from previous discussions that you 
only need to worry about this USCG reg minutiae 
is if you have a Captain's license. Right?


:)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

If you dream, dream big.
If you can think of a better world you will have a better world.
If pigs could fly imagine how good their wings would taste...



At 06:53 AM 30/10/2014, you wrote:

And then there was the discussion of whether 
putting LED bulbs in old fixtures would be 
compliant with USCG regs.  Many said no as 
the whole unit, both bulb and fixture, has to 
be certified.  And that was why for a long 
period there were so few USCG approved LED 
running lights; the approval process was long 
and involved and many companies did not want to expend the $ or effort…


So, if an incident were to occur and it was 
discovered that the whole fixture was not in 
compliance [and lights were relevant to the 
incident] might liability fall differently and 
insurance companies not be forthcoming with any coverage?


Any current thoughts?Â

From: CnC-List [ 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running Lights

Now this really confuses me, when I first went 
LED on my forward running lights, I replaced 
them with red and green, and then someone, I 
think at the boat show, or maybe in one of the 
boat magazines, said you had to have white 
coming through a colored lens, so I changed back to white.
Now my port running light is broken, and I am 
in the market, and now I am really confused!


Regards,

Bill Coleman
C&C 39


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