Roger:
Five (5) years later our boat was surveyed again for insurance
purposes....the local surveyor was recommended by a fellow C&C
lister....the day of the survey, I met him at the boat.....when he was
checking the deck, coach roof, topsides, etc.....he left the boat and
went to his car to get another, newer moisture meter.......said his old
one must be wrong as he could not find a wet spot anywhere on a +25 year
old boat. He didn't find any wet spots with his new moisture meter.
While he was down in the lazarret taking pictures of everything,
including the steering system, he had me turn the wheel hard over from
side to side.....when I did it he was yelling at me to do it harder,
harder.....I didn't want to do it harder as I thought I was going to
break something. I did it hard enough to satisfy him, he stopped
yelling at me. When he crawled out, he said that was the whole point of
the exercise........to make sure the nothing will break if the wheel
gets turned over hard.
This surveyor said to me that he never gives a +25 year old boat a
'clean bill of health'....ours was no different.....he suggested we
replace the exhaust hose from the muffler back to the transom. He was
right.....there were wet spots evident from the outside that meant the
hard wall inside was breaking down.....when I took the old hose out I
cut it open where the wet spots were evident on the outside, the hose
was breaking down from the inside.
As I said previously, tell me what I need to hear, not what I want to
hear.....e.g. nice gelcoat, nice shine, nice bimini. versus CO leaking
from a rotten exhaust hose.
This local surveyor is the equivalent of Peter Kronich......he too is a
naval architect.....he built himself an absolutely beautiful 40' sail
boat. You would feel confident taking this boat up and down any coast.
Years ago, I hired a surveyor in Toronto to find me a Kirby 25.....he
rejected 8 hulls that he went to see and charged me for one complete
survey on a boat that in the end, he did not actually survey. He put me
in contact with a K25 owner that was thinking of selling his
boat..........the K25 was owned by a co-owner of Bruckmann Yachts in
Mississauga, Ontario who had the boat completely rebuilt in the
Bruckmann shop to race it. It was probably better than it was when new.
We campaigned the K25 for 6 years and, this is too funny, we sold it
back to the owner we bought it from for the same price we paid for
it.....he missed racing and heard we had put the K25 up for sale and he
wanted it back.
So I guess you might say I have had good fortune with marine surveyors.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2014/10/29 6:22 PM, Roger Ware wrote:
Rob, you seem to have done well with your Michigan 32 purhase in every
dimension - but particularly impressive was the price of the survey - I had
one done in 2004 that cost about double that and was worth almost nothing.
Roger Ware
Kingston, ON
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: October-28-14 10:36 PM
To: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Overpriced now surveyors
Martin:
We are probably referring to the same surveyor, Peter Knonich (if my
spelling is correct, probably not)...former US Naval Officer, naval
architect. from Sheboygan. He surveyed our boat in March 2006. The
seller's broker said he was 'older than dirt' but could 'pick pepper out of
fly s__t'. The surveyor even went to a sail loft to inventory and inspect
the sails listed which he did not have to do. I had a good feeling I had
chosen a surveyor that was going to tell me what I needed to hear not what I
wanted to hear.
I traded several emails and spoke with him on the telephone several times.
In very simple terms, he told me that the boat had no significant issues.
As his reputation would have it (pick pepper out of fly s__t) he said a
switch in the engine compartment was missing the red plastic tip.
And I would like to put this out there, there are honest sellers'
broker(s). The seller's broker in Racine I dealt with would not recommend a
surveyor to me....... I admit it, I was stupid and asked him for one......he
refused...said get your own.....gave me the website for the US Accredited
Marine Surveyors' ....looked at those close to Racine and the CV of Peter
Kronich looked good to me.
When our boat arrived by truck from Racine to Hfx. (actually via Chester
first, don't ask) late on Friday afternoon and I met it and climbed aboard
for the first time, my $350 USD survey fee was well worth it.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
4/10/28 2:40 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:
Rob,
If your surveyor "Peter K" was from Sheboygan, he surveyed Calypso before
we made an offer. He used that line "picking fly sh*t out of pepper" on me
when I interrogated him on several issues / differences between what I
observed during my inspection and what he reported.
He did prepare a detailed report that assisted in making the purchased
decision. He looked to be in his 70's back in 1998. When did you use him?
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 PM
To: Jon Tasker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Overpriced
Jon,
Maybe the difference in our experiences buying a boat was that you said
you received a survey "from a recommended surveyor". Recommended by
whom....the seller's broker?
My surveyor was 'not recommended'......I chose him myself. When I notified
the seller's broker, the broker said to me on the telephone "Oh no, tell me
I don't have to deal with Peter K____th, he can pick pepper out of fly
sh_t". I chose the surveyor myself from the US Accredited Marine Surveyors
(probably got their association name wrong, but you all know what I am
talking about) .
I had a completely different experience than you did, maybe because my
surveyor 'did not have the seller's interest in mind'.
My surveyor had my interests in mind. I made sure of that! Sounds like
yours did not. Sorry to hear that, you will know better next time around.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
_______________________________________________
This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
_______________________________________________
This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page
at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
